Although global warming is an issue, it probably won't affect us in our lifetimes in any significant way. We have advanced agriculture. We can deal with a few species dying out. Unless I'm a completely ignorant foowl.
I'm more worried about the ozone layer and cancer.
The Earth has been going through tons of weather patterns/shifts/tectonic plate movement/changes ever since it was formed 6000 years ago. What difference does it make if a few Eddie Bauers stop drying their SUV has much?
The Earth is going to adjust itself whether we decide to fart or hold it in.
Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!
You people are exactly the reason the human race doesn't deserve to survive, complete apathy has no business being at the top of the food chain.
And yes I did mean Medieval and if you haven't heard it referred to as the Dark Ages that's your own lack of reading, it has to do with the close minded attitudes of the period, something I can really relate to nowadays too. Since you like Wikipedia (so do I) why not read up a bit on what I'm talking about
As for you outfctrl you don't even have the guts to defend your own right wing rantings, everytime you've been shot down you just post more unrelated claptrap, you have to leave other people to defend your rants.
Yeah ok volcanos cause pollution, no duh, but how in the hell can you use that to justify continuing to pollute, what next, fish pee in water so it's ok to dump oil all over it? Volcanos may contribute, and cause problems with the weather but nature doesn't need us trying to shove it over the edge. All this "oh the earth will adjust itself" ... man I can't call it what I really want to, yeah the earth will adjust itself you idiots, just like it's adjusted itself every other time, by wiping out most of what was living and starting out again. The planet will adjust but you morons will just flop and die like so many fish out of water, and you deserve it.
Maybe next time nature will evolve something better than monkeys who throw poop at each other, since we never seemed to evolve out of that. I vote for the dogs, at least they have the common sense to eat any idiots they produce instead of raising them to produce more idiots.
Originally posted by Briansho The Earth has been going through tons of weather patterns/shifts/tectonic plate movement/changes ever since it was formed 6000 years ago. What difference does it make if a few Eddie Bauers stop drying their SUV has much?The Earth is going to adjust itself whether we decide to fart or hold it in.
According to this guy is was on October 23 4004 BC.
You people are exactly the reason the human race doesn't deserve to survive, complete apathy has no business being at the top of the food chain. And yes I did mean Medieval and if you haven't heard it referred to as the Dark Ages that's your own lack of reading, it has to do with the close minded attitudes of the period, something I can really relate to nowadays too. Since you like Wikipedia (so do I) why not read up a bit on what I'm talking about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_ice_age As for you outfctrl you don't even have the guts to defend your own right wing rantings, everytime you've been shot down you just post more unrelated claptrap, you have to leave other people to defend your rants.
Beware the established scientific opinion. In the middle ages, Galileo had a little problem with it to.
Just because all the greatest thinkers of the day say something is scientifically true, doesn't mean it is.
Why is OutCtrl close minded, but you opened?
You don't have an open mind towards his opinion. Global warming, is simply theory. Not science fact.
An open minded person might be willing to withhold judgement.
For myself, I believe in global warming and I also belive we should take steps to protect our changing enviroment (as we always have). The key to it is recognising the changes and adapting to them. Predicting them in advance and be prepared.
The whole idea of stopping it seems idiotic.
The idea is to surf the big waves, not to all hold hands and wish it away.
Sea defences, flood defences, border control and Noahs Ark full up with great big army ready to roll on the most fertile ground when the deluge comes.
Whether we are contributing to the obvious changes in climate.... who knows.. Fortunately all the things we can do to make ourselves feel better dont hurt.. I do my bit with my little car http://www.carsurvey.org/review_12821.html $20 every 4 or 5 weeks... I love being a greeny LOL
Tell me sir, do you like the smell of your own farts?
Just thought I'd point out that methane is a colourless and odourless gas. Fart as much of it as you want; you won't smell it - ever.
It's mainly the hydrogen sulfide that you can smell.
Methane burns better and more efficiently anyway and doesn't contribute to acid rain like hydrogen sulfide does. It's also nowhere near as toxic as hydrogen sulfide.
You people are exactly the reason the human race doesn't deserve to survive, complete apathy has no business being at the top of the food chain. And yes I did mean Medieval and if you haven't heard it referred to as the Dark Ages that's your own lack of reading, it has to do with the close minded attitudes of the period, something I can really relate to nowadays too. Since you like Wikipedia (so do I) why not read up a bit on what I'm talking about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_ice_age As for you outfctrl you don't even have the guts to defend your own right wing rantings, everytime you've been shot down you just post more unrelated claptrap, you have to leave other people to defend your rants.
Beware the established scientific opinion. In the middle ages, Galileo had a little problem with it to.
Just because all the greatest thinkers of the day say something is scientifically true, doesn't mean it is.
Why is OutCtrl close minded, but you opened?
You don't have an open mind towards his opinion. Global warming, is simply theory. Not science fact.
An open minded person might be willing to withhold judgement.
For myself, I believe in global warming and I also belive we should take steps to protect our changing enviroment (as we always have). The key to it is recognising the changes and adapting to them. Predicting them in advance and be prepared.
The whole idea of stopping it seems idiotic.
The idea is to surf the big waves, not to all hold hands and wish it away.
Sea defences, flood defences, border control and Noahs Ark full up with great big army ready to roll on the most fertile ground when the deluge comes.
I don't agree with your open minded part, I am open enough to admit volcanos cause problems, and respond to it, and even bring up the sunspots and accept that the problem is not entirely man based. The thing is everybody is just so damn apathetic, acting like nothing anybody does will help change things is just wrong. the lake I live near (Erie) use to be a sewage pit of chemicals, waste, and dead fish floating ontop of a slick, if you ever swam in it you had to take a shower right after or you'd be covered with chemicals, this was back in the late 60's through the mid 70's. Laws were passed and the open polluting was stopped. While I still wouldn't drink the water it is now at least fairly clean and the shores are no longer covered in dead and rotting fish. My point is that people can make a difference when they stop trashing the world they live in, but that will never happen when people live in a dream world of denial.
Some people also associate being concerned about the environment with being a hippie, nothing could be more wrong in my case. I'm a man who's always been more comfortable in the wild, I eat meat, I hit back, I may occasionally talk to the spirit of the woods but I don't hug the trees. However nothing is worse to me than when I stand somewhere with nature spreading out before me and see the blight of man stinking it up.
We have cities where you can see the garbage hanging in the air, daily warnings about air quality have become so common that people are no longer shocked that some people could actually die breathing that air. Meanwhile rant radio goes on and on brainwashing the masses that there is no problem, or that we can just "ride the waves" and it'll go away.
Some of you keep harping on the same subject of global warming being a theory, in spite of world changes, that same argument is used about evolution, in spite of all the proof people want more. Your comment, "Beware the established scientific opinion. In the middle ages, Galileo had a little problem with it to." the non scientific community is doing the same thing, so are you. It strikes me that none of you will be satisfied with proof short of everybody on the planet dying, that's what I call being close minded.
Originally posted by TimeViewer And yes I did mean Medieval and if you haven't heard it referred to as the Dark Ages that's your own lack of reading, it has to do with the close minded attitudes of the period, something I can really relate to nowadays too. Since you like Wikipedia (so do I) why not read up a bit on what I'm talking about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_ice_age
The Dark Ages is the period from after the Roman Empire fell - earlier than the Medieval times, and its name is nothing to do with the attitudes of the period. : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Ages
I have to say it seems hard to say for sure if we're affecting climate change, but we certainly affect resource waste and pollution. I can't say I 'm too impressed by the "sod that, I'll pollute if I like" attitude. Even if we do have no affect on climate change, that seems pretty selfish to me. I went to a land fill site a couple of years ago. It was hell on earth and you can't argue that we're not having our part in such things. I've been recycling whatever I can since. Saving energy saves money. Doing what you can without sacrificing too much seems to be the sensible way forward.
As for you outfctrl you don't even have the guts to defend your own right wing rantings, everytime you've been shot down you just post more unrelated claptrap, you have to leave other people to defend your rants.
OMG....Go hug a tree.
Modern day environmentalism has nothing to do with protecting the environment, rather it is a political movement lead by those who wish to control the world economies, dictate development, and redistribute the world's wealth. For about 10,000 years since the last Ice Age, civilization has followed with the spread of the human race out of Africa to all parts of the globe.
If that Ice Age had not ended, there would be no civilization. Only the warming of the Earth made it possible. With the global warming conspiracy, it's all about hampering corporations and the economies of the western world. It is just camouflaged Marxism.
With the other side, it's all about money. And I prefer that, as capitalism works better than Marxism.
Originally posted by outfctrl For about 10,000 years since the last Ice Age, civilization has followed with the spread of the uman race out of Africa to all parts of the globe. If that Ice Age had not ended, there would be no civilization. Only the warming of the Earth made it possible.
This is pretty much a correct statement. I say pretty much cause I'm not sure about the 10,000 years part. I wasn't around when the last ice age ended. There is a good book called something like "Guns, Germs, and Steel" that discusses the spread of humanity and the rise of human civilization, I recommend it to anyone that hasn't read it.
Whereas I believe humanity is a contributing factor to global warming, I also believe that the warming would be occuring regardless of human existance. Anybody want to tell me what the historically correct temperature of the earth is supposed to be? There have been several ice ages according to ice buildup on the south pole. Also, for so much fossil fuel to exist in the middle eastern desert areas, these areas had to be teaming with life at one time. This means they were not always deserts. The fertile cresent of Iran, Syria, and Lebanon used to support much more agriculture back in the days of the Babylonians, et al. Yet warming has made these areas less green, can we blame it on Babylonian, Egyptian, and Hittite industrial waste? North america was originally settled by migrants coming across a land bridge to Alaska. Australia was originally connected by a land bridge with New Guinea. The melting of the glaciers submerged those land bridges. I wasn't around when this happened either, so perhaps the earth's surface has been warming for a while.
Perhaps we should consider that there is a natural cycle of heating and cooling of the earth's surface. Perhaps this is just a part of that cycle. For those worried about the extinction of humanity due to global warming, maybe it's time we forget our $450,000 houses, big screen TVs, SUVs, and luxury status symbols and think like an endangered species. We have all our eggs in one basket, Earth. If anything happens to Earth we become extinct. maybe we should place more emphasis on spreading our species out through space so all our eggs are not in one, easily breakable, basket. Just a silly assed, long term, thought for survival, I know.
Originally posted by TimeViewer And yes I did mean Medieval and if you haven't heard it referred to as the Dark Ages that's your own lack of reading, it has to do with the close minded attitudes of the period, something I can really relate to nowadays too. Since you like Wikipedia (so do I) why not read up a bit on what I'm talking about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_ice_age
The Dark Ages is the period from after the Roman Empire fell - earlier than the Medieval times, and its name is nothing to do with the attitudes of the period. : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Ages
I have to say it seems hard to say for sure if we're affecting climate change, but we certainly affect resource waste and pollution. I can't say I 'm too impressed by the "sod that, I'll pollute if I like" attitude. Even if we do have no affect on climate change, that seems pretty selfish to me. I went to a land fill site a couple of years ago. It was hell on earth and you can't argue that we're not having our part in such things. I've been recycling whatever I can since. Saving energy saves money. Doing what you can without sacrificing too much seems to be the sensible way forward.
Actually, from that article, it does have to do with the attitudes, persecution, ignorance, all that is attitude. The rest of what you're saying I agree with, unfortunately some of them are prideful of their apathy, you have only to read the person I'm responding to next to see that. Welcome to the Neodark Ages
Originally posted by outfctrl
Originally posted by TimeViewer
As for you outfctrl you don't even have the guts to defend your own right wing rantings, everytime you've been shot down you just post more unrelated claptrap, you have to leave other people to defend your rants.
OMG....Go hug a tree.
Modern day environmentalism has nothing to do with protecting the environment, rather it is a political movement lead by those who wish to control the world economies, dictate development, and redistribute the world's wealth. For about 10,000 years since the last Ice Age, civilization has followed with the spread of the human race out of Africa to all parts of the globe.
If that Ice Age had not ended, there would be no civilization. Only the warming of the Earth made it possible. With the global warming conspiracy, it's all about hampering corporations and the economies of the western world. It is just camouflaged Marxism.
With the other side, it's all about money. And I prefer that, as capitalism works better than Marxism.
OMG...Go Hug Your Facist Radio
Just as I said, you haven't the nads to defend any of your posts, you just hype it up to the next level of idiocy. So now I'm a commie huh, a REAL American has the guts to stand up and say when something is wrong, only cowards like you hide behind political rants, you're a disgrace to our founding fathers and all they stood for.
Polluters come in every political stripe you twit, so does corruption and big money, When the USSR went communist did everybody get a piece of the pie? I think not. Even the Chinese have given up on that as useless and moved to capitalism, but you're head's so buried in propaganda (or in this case maybe your arse) you couldn't see what's right in front of you.
Global Warming doesn't necessarily mean we're all going to live in a tropical paradise, as I already stated it may well cause the start of a new ice age, and where's the human race going to expand to then?
The energy output of the Sun is far greater in one second than human activity could produce in a million years. The Earth rotates around the Sun. Its orbit is slightly elliptical. The energy reaching the Earth from the Sun varies slightly as the distance from the Sun to the Earth varies due to its elliptical orbit. The Sun activity increases and decreases with fluctuations in the solar flares emitted by the Sun. Differences in these fluctuation rates cause increases and decreases of solar energy hitting the Earth. This causes fluctuations in the global mean temperature of the Earth’s atmosphere.
This is precisely my point about the earth being a fragile basket in which to sustain our species. Our life form exists naturaly only because the distance between the earth and the sun allows it to. Move the earth just a trifle further out, or a trifle further in, on it's orbit and we alter the temperature dramatically. This ecosphere we call planet Earth, and take for granted each day, is a carefully balanced environment for our species. We are dreaming if we believe it is a perfectly balanced environment, and will always remain a perfectly balanced environment.
It should not surprise us if, one day, that eliptical orbit moves a tad bit further out, and another ice age occurs. What concerns me is that as our population grows, and earth's temperature rises, additional lands will be taken out of cultivation and habitation, forcing the population into a smaller, hungrier, area. Such an environmental change will create more pressure for resources and living space, and lead to more conflict. Back in the days of the Babylonians they used spears, today we use nukes. Not a good thing.
As a species, we really need to diversify our baskets.
Some of you keep harping on the same subject of global warming being a theory, in spite of world changes, that same argument is used about evolution, in spite of all the proof people want more. Your comment, "Beware the established scientific opinion. In the middle ages, Galileo had a little problem with it to." the non scientific community is doing the same thing, so are you. It strikes me that none of you will be satisfied with proof short of everybody on the planet dying, that's what I call being close minded.
There isn't any proof, the research has only being going on for a decade or so.
All we have is a load of predictions based on limited data. Any one of them could be true.
With all the millions of permutations of variables that could be affecting climate change or global temperature, to simply place the entire blame on industrialisation is a conceit. We are not even sure if the change in temperature is historically unusual, given the number of records taken, their accuracy and the time scale.
Bear in mind that freak weather and record highs and lows are the norm in these days of mass recording in a way that has never before been documented. this doesn;t mean it hasn't happened before, only that no one took notes.
We have an immense amount of records of the past 30 years to go on, but bugger all of the thousands of years before then. Today we measure each micro-degree change in temperature, in the past measurements that accurate weren't even possible. Under the microscope, a microbe looks as giant as an ant. Perspective is lost.
It also does not escape my notice, that this is the same scientific community who 30 years ago were predicting the end of the world through nuclear winter. The next ice age was coming. Now it's global warming. Without a bit of hype, research grants are less forth coming I suppose.
One thing I don't beleive in is all this "the end is nigh" crap.
The world isn't going to end. Everybody isn't going to die. Humankind has survived plenty of climatic changes. Eskimo's live in the arctic, Tauregs in the desert.
Egypt used to be the most fertile area in the world, now it is not. Mankind adapts. Climate changes and man migrates. What's new?
There are far more pressing concerns in my life than "the world is about to end". Try and keep it in perspective is my advice. Most likely it's happening. Most likely you will be unable to see the effects. If you are worried about it, build an ark.
I'm perfectly happy for enviromentalists to worry about global warming, but I am not intrested in paying for it, although I take no offense if others wish to. Global warming tax, is just tax. You look after your enviroment. I will look after mine. If you think you have some right to tell me how to manage my own little slice of the planet, I suggest you come armed.
This is pretty much a correct statement. I say pretty much cause I'm not sure about the 10,000 years part. I wasn't around when the last ice age ended.
As far as I'm aware we are technically still in an ice age. Temperature wise.
The difference is not the change in temperature but the change in axis of spin of the planet. During the "Ice age" the poles were closer to the central land mass. The ice was on the fertile ground not in the sea.
you guys are way to worried about it. It was destined to happen with or without us. There is another thing thaat threatens more than that-it threatens all life as we know it. I'm speaking of course.....about manbearpig
My mind has changed so much. Yet I'm still acting like I'm the same.
Some of you keep harping on the same subject of global warming being a theory, in spite of world changes, that same argument is used about evolution, in spite of all the proof people want more. Your comment, "Beware the established scientific opinion. In the middle ages, Galileo had a little problem with it to." the non scientific community is doing the same thing, so are you. It strikes me that none of you will be satisfied with proof short of everybody on the planet dying, that's what I call being close minded.
There isn't any proof, the research has only being going on for a decade or so.
All we have is a load of predictions based on limited data. Any one of them could be true.
With all the millions of permutations of variables that could be affecting climate change or global temperature, to simply place the entire blame on industrialisation is a conceit. We are not even sure if the change in temperature is historically unusual, given the number of records taken, their accuracy and the time scale.
Bear in mind that freak weather and record highs and lows are the norm in these days of mass recording in a way that has never before been documented. this doesn;t mean it hasn't happened before, only that no one took notes.
We have an immense amount of records of the past 30 years to go on, but bugger all of the thousands of years before then. Today we measure each micro-degree change in temperature, in the past measurements that accurate weren't even possible. Under the microscope, a microbe looks as giant as an ant. Perspective is lost.
It also does not escape my notice, that this is the same scientific community who 30 years ago were predicting the end of the world through nuclear winter. The next ice age was coming. Now it's global warming. Without a bit of hype, research grants are less forth coming I suppose.
One thing I don't beleive in is all this "the end is nigh" crap.
The world isn't going to end. Everybody isn't going to die. Humankind has survived plenty of climatic changes. Eskimo's live in the arctic, Tauregs in the desert.
Egypt used to be the most fertile area in the world, now it is not. Mankind adapts. Climate changes and man migrates. What's new?
There are far more pressing concerns in my life than "the world is about to end". Try and keep it in perspective is my advice. Most likely it's happening. Most likely you will be unable to see the effects. If you are worried about it, build an ark.
I'm perfectly happy for enviromentalists to worry about global warming, but I am not intrested in paying for it, although I take no offense if others wish to. Global warming tax, is just tax. You look after your enviroment. I will look after mine. If you think you have some right to tell me how to manage my own little slice of the planet, I suggest you come armed.
You know, I was never much on end of the world scenarios myself, but the more I hear people in total denial and outright apathy the more an old saying comes to mind, "The world will end, not with a bang, but a whimper" It's going to be the apathy and attitudes like your "I suggest you come armed" philosophy that winds up killing everyone on the face of this planet. I would like to know where you get this notion of "Global Warming Tax" from??? Seriously, this is a new one on me, I don't listen to rant radio so I've never come across this. In all my posts I've only asked if it would kill you people to just cut back a bit, not drive so much, like those who just HAVE to drive 1 block to pick up a pack of smokes, recycle, toss plastic and paper in the recycle box instead of the rest of the garbage, but I guess, yes, it would just absolutely kill some of you to do so. I've always been of the mind that the world is populated by 99.99% idiots, and that I was being an optimist. I should thank you though, you've given me a wonderful idea for a stone sculpture. Maybe I should go out and carve a giant headstone and carve these words into it....
Here Lies the Human Race
Born - ?
Died - ?
Cause of Death - Stupidity
I only hope that whatever evolves into the next dominant life form on this planet has a working brain, instead of just thinking it does.
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Amen......THats what I Have been saying!
My mind has changed so much. Yet I'm still acting like I'm the same.
I'm more worried about the ozone layer and cancer.
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
The Earth is going to adjust itself whether we decide to fart or hold it in.
Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!
You people are exactly the reason the human race doesn't deserve to survive, complete apathy has no business being at the top of the food chain.
And yes I did mean Medieval and if you haven't heard it referred to as the Dark Ages that's your own lack of reading, it has to do with the close minded attitudes of the period, something I can really relate to nowadays too. Since you like Wikipedia (so do I) why not read up a bit on what I'm talking about
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_ice_age
As for you outfctrl you don't even have the guts to defend your own right wing rantings, everytime you've been shot down you just post more unrelated claptrap, you have to leave other people to defend your rants.
Yeah ok volcanos cause pollution, no duh, but how in the hell can you use that to justify continuing to pollute, what next, fish pee in water so it's ok to dump oil all over it? Volcanos may contribute, and cause problems with the weather but nature doesn't need us trying to shove it over the edge. All this "oh the earth will adjust itself" ... man I can't call it what I really want to, yeah the earth will adjust itself you idiots, just like it's adjusted itself every other time, by wiping out most of what was living and starting out again. The planet will adjust but you morons will just flop and die like so many fish out of water, and you deserve it.
Maybe next time nature will evolve something better than monkeys who throw poop at each other, since we never seemed to evolve out of that. I vote for the dogs, at least they have the common sense to eat any idiots they produce instead of raising them to produce more idiots.
µV
Global warming is directly proportional to the amount of pirates sailing the seas...
If we had more pirates global warming would not be a problem.
According to this guy is was on October 23 4004 BC.
Beware the established scientific opinion. In the middle ages, Galileo had a little problem with it to.
Just because all the greatest thinkers of the day say something is scientifically true, doesn't mean it is.
Why is OutCtrl close minded, but you opened?
You don't have an open mind towards his opinion. Global warming, is simply theory. Not science fact.
An open minded person might be willing to withhold judgement.
For myself, I believe in global warming and I also belive we should take steps to protect our changing enviroment (as we always have). The key to it is recognising the changes and adapting to them. Predicting them in advance and be prepared.
The whole idea of stopping it seems idiotic.
The idea is to surf the big waves, not to all hold hands and wish it away.
Sea defences, flood defences, border control and Noahs Ark full up with great big army ready to roll on the most fertile ground when the deluge comes.
Tell me sir, do you like the smell of your own farts?
Just thought I'd point out that methane is a colourless and odourless gas. Fart as much of it as you want; you won't smell it - ever.
It's mainly the hydrogen sulfide that you can smell.
Methane burns better and more efficiently anyway and doesn't contribute to acid rain like hydrogen sulfide does. It's also nowhere near as toxic as hydrogen sulfide.
Beware the established scientific opinion. In the middle ages, Galileo had a little problem with it to.
Just because all the greatest thinkers of the day say something is scientifically true, doesn't mean it is.
Why is OutCtrl close minded, but you opened?
You don't have an open mind towards his opinion. Global warming, is simply theory. Not science fact.
An open minded person might be willing to withhold judgement.
For myself, I believe in global warming and I also belive we should take steps to protect our changing enviroment (as we always have). The key to it is recognising the changes and adapting to them. Predicting them in advance and be prepared.
The whole idea of stopping it seems idiotic.
The idea is to surf the big waves, not to all hold hands and wish it away.
Sea defences, flood defences, border control and Noahs Ark full up with great big army ready to roll on the most fertile ground when the deluge comes.
I don't agree with your open minded part, I am open enough to admit volcanos cause problems, and respond to it, and even bring up the sunspots and accept that the problem is not entirely man based. The thing is everybody is just so damn apathetic, acting like nothing anybody does will help change things is just wrong. the lake I live near (Erie) use to be a sewage pit of chemicals, waste, and dead fish floating ontop of a slick, if you ever swam in it you had to take a shower right after or you'd be covered with chemicals, this was back in the late 60's through the mid 70's. Laws were passed and the open polluting was stopped. While I still wouldn't drink the water it is now at least fairly clean and the shores are no longer covered in dead and rotting fish. My point is that people can make a difference when they stop trashing the world they live in, but that will never happen when people live in a dream world of denial.
Some people also associate being concerned about the environment with being a hippie, nothing could be more wrong in my case. I'm a man who's always been more comfortable in the wild, I eat meat, I hit back, I may occasionally talk to the spirit of the woods but I don't hug the trees. However nothing is worse to me than when I stand somewhere with nature spreading out before me and see the blight of man stinking it up.
We have cities where you can see the garbage hanging in the air, daily warnings about air quality have become so common that people are no longer shocked that some people could actually die breathing that air. Meanwhile rant radio goes on and on brainwashing the masses that there is no problem, or that we can just "ride the waves" and it'll go away.
Some of you keep harping on the same subject of global warming being a theory, in spite of world changes, that same argument is used about evolution, in spite of all the proof people want more. Your comment, "Beware the established scientific opinion. In the middle ages, Galileo had a little problem with it to." the non scientific community is doing the same thing, so are you. It strikes me that none of you will be satisfied with proof short of everybody on the planet dying, that's what I call being close minded.
µV
The Dark Ages is the period from after the Roman Empire fell - earlier than the Medieval times, and its name is nothing to do with the attitudes of the period. : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Ages
I have to say it seems hard to say for sure if we're affecting climate change, but we certainly affect resource waste and pollution. I can't say I 'm too impressed by the "sod that, I'll pollute if I like" attitude. Even if we do have no affect on climate change, that seems pretty selfish to me. I went to a land fill site a couple of years ago. It was hell on earth and you can't argue that we're not having our part in such things. I've been recycling whatever I can since. Saving energy saves money. Doing what you can without sacrificing too much seems to be the sensible way forward.
OMG....Go hug a tree.
Modern day environmentalism has nothing to do with protecting the environment, rather it is a political movement lead by those who wish to control the world economies, dictate development, and redistribute the world's wealth. For about 10,000 years since the last Ice Age, civilization has followed with the spread of the human race out of Africa to all parts of the globe.
If that Ice Age had not ended, there would be no civilization. Only the warming of the Earth made it possible. With the global warming conspiracy, it's all about hampering corporations and the economies of the western world. It is just camouflaged Marxism.
With the other side, it's all about money. And I prefer that, as capitalism works better than Marxism.
This is pretty much a correct statement. I say pretty much cause I'm not sure about the 10,000 years part. I wasn't around when the last ice age ended. There is a good book called something like "Guns, Germs, and Steel" that discusses the spread of humanity and the rise of human civilization, I recommend it to anyone that hasn't read it.
Whereas I believe humanity is a contributing factor to global warming, I also believe that the warming would be occuring regardless of human existance. Anybody want to tell me what the historically correct temperature of the earth is supposed to be? There have been several ice ages according to ice buildup on the south pole. Also, for so much fossil fuel to exist in the middle eastern desert areas, these areas had to be teaming with life at one time. This means they were not always deserts. The fertile cresent of Iran, Syria, and Lebanon used to support much more agriculture back in the days of the Babylonians, et al. Yet warming has made these areas less green, can we blame it on Babylonian, Egyptian, and Hittite industrial waste? North america was originally settled by migrants coming across a land bridge to Alaska. Australia was originally connected by a land bridge with New Guinea. The melting of the glaciers submerged those land bridges. I wasn't around when this happened either, so perhaps the earth's surface has been warming for a while.
Perhaps we should consider that there is a natural cycle of heating and cooling of the earth's surface. Perhaps this is just a part of that cycle. For those worried about the extinction of humanity due to global warming, maybe it's time we forget our $450,000 houses, big screen TVs, SUVs, and luxury status symbols and think like an endangered species. We have all our eggs in one basket, Earth. If anything happens to Earth we become extinct. maybe we should place more emphasis on spreading our species out through space so all our eggs are not in one, easily breakable, basket. Just a silly assed, long term, thought for survival, I know.
Let's do this discussion again in 10 yeazrs, shall we?
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The Dark Ages is the period from after the Roman Empire fell - earlier than the Medieval times, and its name is nothing to do with the attitudes of the period. : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Ages
I have to say it seems hard to say for sure if we're affecting climate change, but we certainly affect resource waste and pollution. I can't say I 'm too impressed by the "sod that, I'll pollute if I like" attitude. Even if we do have no affect on climate change, that seems pretty selfish to me. I went to a land fill site a couple of years ago. It was hell on earth and you can't argue that we're not having our part in such things. I've been recycling whatever I can since. Saving energy saves money. Doing what you can without sacrificing too much seems to be the sensible way forward.
Actually, from that article, it does have to do with the attitudes, persecution, ignorance, all that is attitude. The rest of what you're saying I agree with, unfortunately some of them are prideful of their apathy, you have only to read the person I'm responding to next to see that. Welcome to the Neodark Ages
OMG....Go hug a tree.
Modern day environmentalism has nothing to do with protecting the environment, rather it is a political movement lead by those who wish to control the world economies, dictate development, and redistribute the world's wealth. For about 10,000 years since the last Ice Age, civilization has followed with the spread of the human race out of Africa to all parts of the globe.
If that Ice Age had not ended, there would be no civilization. Only the warming of the Earth made it possible. With the global warming conspiracy, it's all about hampering corporations and the economies of the western world. It is just camouflaged Marxism.
With the other side, it's all about money. And I prefer that, as capitalism works better than Marxism.
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Just as I said, you haven't the nads to defend any of your posts, you just hype it up to the next level of idiocy. So now I'm a commie huh, a REAL American has the guts to stand up and say when something is wrong, only cowards like you hide behind political rants, you're a disgrace to our founding fathers and all they stood for.
Polluters come in every political stripe you twit, so does corruption and big money, When the USSR went communist did everybody get a piece of the pie? I think not. Even the Chinese have given up on that as useless and moved to capitalism, but you're head's so buried in propaganda (or in this case maybe your arse) you couldn't see what's right in front of you.
Global Warming doesn't necessarily mean we're all going to live in a tropical paradise, as I already stated it may well cause the start of a new ice age, and where's the human race going to expand to then?
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This is precisely my point about the earth being a fragile basket in which to sustain our species. Our life form exists naturaly only because the distance between the earth and the sun allows it to. Move the earth just a trifle further out, or a trifle further in, on it's orbit and we alter the temperature dramatically. This ecosphere we call planet Earth, and take for granted each day, is a carefully balanced environment for our species. We are dreaming if we believe it is a perfectly balanced environment, and will always remain a perfectly balanced environment.
It should not surprise us if, one day, that eliptical orbit moves a tad bit further out, and another ice age occurs. What concerns me is that as our population grows, and earth's temperature rises, additional lands will be taken out of cultivation and habitation, forcing the population into a smaller, hungrier, area. Such an environmental change will create more pressure for resources and living space, and lead to more conflict. Back in the days of the Babylonians they used spears, today we use nukes. Not a good thing.
As a species, we really need to diversify our baskets.
There isn't any proof, the research has only being going on for a decade or so.
All we have is a load of predictions based on limited data. Any one of them could be true.
With all the millions of permutations of variables that could be affecting climate change or global temperature, to simply place the entire blame on industrialisation is a conceit. We are not even sure if the change in temperature is historically unusual, given the number of records taken, their accuracy and the time scale.
Bear in mind that freak weather and record highs and lows are the norm in these days of mass recording in a way that has never before been documented. this doesn;t mean it hasn't happened before, only that no one took notes.
We have an immense amount of records of the past 30 years to go on, but bugger all of the thousands of years before then. Today we measure each micro-degree change in temperature, in the past measurements that accurate weren't even possible. Under the microscope, a microbe looks as giant as an ant. Perspective is lost.
It also does not escape my notice, that this is the same scientific community who 30 years ago were predicting the end of the world through nuclear winter. The next ice age was coming. Now it's global warming. Without a bit of hype, research grants are less forth coming I suppose.
One thing I don't beleive in is all this "the end is nigh" crap.
The world isn't going to end. Everybody isn't going to die. Humankind has survived plenty of climatic changes. Eskimo's live in the arctic, Tauregs in the desert.
Egypt used to be the most fertile area in the world, now it is not. Mankind adapts. Climate changes and man migrates. What's new?
There are far more pressing concerns in my life than "the world is about to end". Try and keep it in perspective is my advice. Most likely it's happening. Most likely you will be unable to see the effects. If you are worried about it, build an ark.
I'm perfectly happy for enviromentalists to worry about global warming, but I am not intrested in paying for it, although I take no offense if others wish to. Global warming tax, is just tax. You look after your enviroment. I will look after mine. If you think you have some right to tell me how to manage my own little slice of the planet, I suggest you come armed.
As far as I'm aware we are technically still in an ice age. Temperature wise.
The difference is not the change in temperature but the change in axis of spin of the planet. During the "Ice age" the poles were closer to the central land mass. The ice was on the fertile ground not in the sea.
My mind has changed so much. Yet I'm still acting like I'm the same.
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My mind has changed so much. Yet I'm still acting like I'm the same.
There isn't any proof, the research has only being going on for a decade or so.
All we have is a load of predictions based on limited data. Any one of them could be true.
With all the millions of permutations of variables that could be affecting climate change or global temperature, to simply place the entire blame on industrialisation is a conceit. We are not even sure if the change in temperature is historically unusual, given the number of records taken, their accuracy and the time scale.
Bear in mind that freak weather and record highs and lows are the norm in these days of mass recording in a way that has never before been documented. this doesn;t mean it hasn't happened before, only that no one took notes.
We have an immense amount of records of the past 30 years to go on, but bugger all of the thousands of years before then. Today we measure each micro-degree change in temperature, in the past measurements that accurate weren't even possible. Under the microscope, a microbe looks as giant as an ant. Perspective is lost.
It also does not escape my notice, that this is the same scientific community who 30 years ago were predicting the end of the world through nuclear winter. The next ice age was coming. Now it's global warming. Without a bit of hype, research grants are less forth coming I suppose.
One thing I don't beleive in is all this "the end is nigh" crap.
The world isn't going to end. Everybody isn't going to die. Humankind has survived plenty of climatic changes. Eskimo's live in the arctic, Tauregs in the desert.
Egypt used to be the most fertile area in the world, now it is not. Mankind adapts. Climate changes and man migrates. What's new?
There are far more pressing concerns in my life than "the world is about to end". Try and keep it in perspective is my advice. Most likely it's happening. Most likely you will be unable to see the effects. If you are worried about it, build an ark.
I'm perfectly happy for enviromentalists to worry about global warming, but I am not intrested in paying for it, although I take no offense if others wish to. Global warming tax, is just tax. You look after your enviroment. I will look after mine. If you think you have some right to tell me how to manage my own little slice of the planet, I suggest you come armed.
You know, I was never much on end of the world scenarios myself, but the more I hear people in total denial and outright apathy the more an old saying comes to mind, "The world will end, not with a bang, but a whimper" It's going to be the apathy and attitudes like your "I suggest you come armed" philosophy that winds up killing everyone on the face of this planet. I would like to know where you get this notion of "Global Warming Tax" from??? Seriously, this is a new one on me, I don't listen to rant radio so I've never come across this. In all my posts I've only asked if it would kill you people to just cut back a bit, not drive so much, like those who just HAVE to drive 1 block to pick up a pack of smokes, recycle, toss plastic and paper in the recycle box instead of the rest of the garbage, but I guess, yes, it would just absolutely kill some of you to do so. I've always been of the mind that the world is populated by 99.99% idiots, and that I was being an optimist. I should thank you though, you've given me a wonderful idea for a stone sculpture. Maybe I should go out and carve a giant headstone and carve these words into it....
Here Lies the Human Race
Born - ?
Died - ?
Cause of Death - Stupidity
I only hope that whatever evolves into the next dominant life form on this planet has a working brain, instead of just thinking it does.
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My mind has changed so much. Yet I'm still acting like I'm the same.