Originally posted by XanderZane As for game consoles taking over the market, they already have. Console games outsell PC games by like 10 to 1. While it's common for maybe 10-15 consoles games to sell over a million copies a year (i.e. Madden, NBA Live, Project Gotham 2, KOTOR, Splinter Cell, etc..), it's very rare to see a PC game sell over 1 million copies.
It's not an argument if consoles sell more games. The argument is about online gaming. Online gaming is still dominated by PC users, not consoles, and predicitons for 2008 still have more PC users playing online games than console users. But online gaming in general is going to get huge no matter what platform you are using.
And TaskyZZ, UT2004 has voice chat built into it, but if you don't use a mic you still have the normal text chat option.
Whatever people.... The fact is graphics on a PC are 10 times what they are on a damn TV. You have to buy a game at least every month on a console because hardcore gamers like myself can beat the game in a couple days or weeks. PC games, like EQ, lasted for 3 years without me even wanting another game. I also sold 2 EQ accounts for a total of 1555 dollars. Beat that console gamers!
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Originally posted by ramadin Whatever people.... The fact is graphics on a PC are 10 times what they are on a damn TV.
Let's see here. TV, 720x480... times 10... Wow, you must have a really nice $25,000 monitor to be running at 7200x4800. How big is that puppy, and how much does it weigh?
You have to buy a game at least every month on a console because hardcore gamers like myself can beat the game in a couple days or weeks.
Wow... I never heard of anyone completing Morrowind in one month. You rock. And I can complete a game of Madden in about an hour... but that doesn't mean I am done with it.
If you are going through games that fast, that just means you should be renting them for only $5 instead of buying them. Many, many games can be funb for a lot longer than that if you play on Xbox Live!, there are a lot of great players out there.
PC games, like EQ, lasted for 3 years without me even wanting another game.
I lasted about 7 or 8 months... There are MMORPGs in the works for consoles. When they arrive, then you agree that consoles are better? If this is the reason that PCs are better, than you must agree???
I also sold 2 EQ accounts for a total of 1555 dollars.
WOW!!! (That was sarcasm)... How many days played to accomplish that? I work for just 60 hours and make that much money. Can do it in a week. Then I can go play a game that is actually fun and not a boring level grind.
Hardly. I was merely over exaggerating on the 10 times better, but PC is alot better. Yes I completed Morrowind and the expansions in a month. I wasnt trying to raise money by playing EQ, thats just what I made when I quit. Total it took me about 6 months to raise those two accounts ( I quit previoulsy, then restarted). I didnt ever plan on selling them it was just a side benefit. EQ was not my job. When graphics are better on console, I will agree with you, yes. But until we rid the entire world of all their high dot pitch TV's... PC = win.
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Originally posted by ramadin When graphics are better on console, I will agree with you, yes. But until we rid the entire world of all their high dot pitch TV's... PC = win.
I guess this is just a matter of opinion, and we will have to agree to disagree.
TV's will never have the dot pitch of a monitor. But, if your monitor was 56" and you could play from 10 feet away on the couch, it would have the same dot pitch as my TV.
This difference will always exist.
Answer me this... Do you have a console? Have you played on a console for more than just a 20 minute game at a friends house or at a store?
I originally purchased the Xbox for my kids to play on, not expecting to get any enjoyment out of it. I was a naysayer, like some of you guys here. But, then when I realised how easy it was to use, how quickly the games got up and running. How nice it was utlilizing my $5000 worth of TV and stereo equipment. How enjoyable it was to sit on the couch when I play. How nice it is to get 3 friends on the couch with me playing a good multiplayer game side by side. Etc... The advantages are just HUGE.
Sure, there are still some games I play on my PC, but it is a small minority now, and the number of games I play on my PC is getting smaller and smaller. If I have the choice of playing a game on my Xbox or my PC, and that game does not require a mouse, I will play it on my Xbox. Just so much nicer.
Yes more people are buying game console for several reasons they are cheaper then PC there online fees for there online games are cheaper. . . . . . . . but when i come home at night i like to get on my Alienware Pc because they can do 10x what a PS2 or Xbox will ever do i mean they can type play much more games then a ps2 get on the web and store huge amounts of data and chat with other people
Also the PC has been out much longer then the PS2 thus meaning it would have more games and it does.
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Originally posted by bulldogg Yes more people are buying game console for several reasons they are cheaper then PC there online fees for there online games are cheaper. . . . . . . . but when i come home at night i like to get on my Alienware Pc because they can do 10x what a PS2 or Xbox will ever do i mean they can type play much more games then a ps2 get on the web and store huge amounts of data and chat with other people Also the PC has been out much longer then the PS2 thus meaning it would have more games and it does. MaX PoWeRs dadadadadadadadadadada MaX pOwErs! ! ! ! !
Just jump right in here and repeat stuff that has been said before but has nothing to do with the debate. No is debating that a console can't do email or download files off the web...
Yes, there are some games that, at this point, are more easily played on a PC. But that is slowly changing...
I have a PC and a console. The fact is that there are some games that are flat out better on a console, and there are some games better on a PC. I get the best of both worlds... People who believe consoles just plain suck are only gettiong half of that world... In fact, I would say, a majority of game genreas are more fun on the console.
Lets see:
Better on a console: Driving platform sports Arcade style Party games
Better on a PC: FPS (debateable, but Ill give it to the PC for this argument). RTS
Basically, if it REQUIRES a mouse, it is better on a PC. Otherwise it is better on a console.
Like Ive said before, when friends come to my house and see the cool stuff I can do on my comp, mainly games, but not only, they agree its much better than console. My neighbor got rid of his PS2 and Xbox, bought a PC and was pissed he spent so much money on games and consoles when PC owns.
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With all due respect I think that you are missing the point of this thread....If you re-read the title of the thread you will see that it says the FUTURE of gaming is on consoles not PC's....not consoles are more powerful than pc's....and it is my belief that given the fact that a console is far cheaper than pc, and given the fact that almost all new console games have an online feature, that the FUTURE OF GAMING is in fact on consoles and not PC's....and that is just on the current consoles. In a couple years the next gen consoles will be out, and there will no doubt be a new crop of console users that will be ready to utilize these platforms, and play games online...Just remember th thread says "the future of gaming"...not the future of email, surfing the web, bill paying, photoshop, or cd burning....Xaldor
Originally posted by ramadin Like Ive said before, when friends come to my house and see the cool stuff I can do on my comp, mainly games, but not only, they agree its much better than console. My neighbor got rid of his PS2 and Xbox, bought a PC and was pissed he spent so much money on games and consoles when PC owns.
Hmmm...
Got rid of his console? Why, having both is the smartest thing.
At my house when people come over, they don't have to watch me playing games... We all get to have a controller and play... If your friends think watching is better, then more power to them. Mine seem to think playing is more fun.
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With all due respect I think that you are missing the point of this thread....If you re-read the title of the thread you will see that it says the FUTURE of gaming is on consoles not PC's....not consoles are more powerful than pc's....and it is my belief that given the fact that a console is far cheaper than pc, and given the fact that almost all new console games have an online feature, that the FUTURE OF GAMING is in fact on consoles and not PC's....and that is just on the current consoles. In a couple years the next gen consoles will be out, and there will no doubt be a new crop of console users that will be ready to utilize these platforms, and play games online...Just remember th thread says "the future of gaming"...not the future of email, surfing the web, bill paying, photoshop, or cd burning....Xaldor
So because consoles have a online feature there now the future? Also, there is a hell of alot of money going around these days, I doubt price is a big deal for a gamer. As the console gets better so does the Pc, the pc will not just sit there for years and wait for the "next gen" of consoles. Pc games are doing fine, and this years looks great for pc gaming(half-life 2, doom 3, rome:total war, world of warcraft).
-------------------- "Those who sacrifice liberty in the name of security deserve neither"- Ben Franklin
"Unlike me, many of you have accepted the situation of your imprisonment and will die here like rotten cabbages."- Number Six's speech from "Free for All"
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"Unlike me, many of you have accepted the situation of your imprisonment and will die here like rotten cabbages."- Number Six's speech from "Free for All"
Originally posted by Nmbr6 COntrollers are not only console. I have some hooked up to my pc that look just like a ps2 contoller.
This is true. No denying it... In fact, there are adaptors that will allow you to use the actual controller from a console. But can 4 poeple at a time have one and actually being playing??? Hmmm...
Your talking for yourself, somepeople like sitting closer and getting 5X better graphics.
This is so true, opinions, opinions. Or do they do it because they "HAVE TO"?!?!
The Install isnt really that long, and after you have it on your hard drive you dont have to search for the disc anymore(no-cd patchs). Also, because its on the hard drive you can get updated, mods, etc... The loading screen is faster then most console.
THis is just BS. I have seen installs take an hour. Don't fool yourself. And now you are mentioning doing marginally illegal things. I have games on the Hard Disk of my Modded Xbox as well, don't need the disk. Games on the Xbox can be upogarded and get Mods. It is happening with XBox Live. And no, most games load faster on the console than the PC.
Again, your talking for your own personal life. Not everyone lives 1 mile away. And if I really want a .99 cent game-ill download on bittorrent for free.
Again, opinions and situations. But can you always get a demo of a game? usually not. Also, I get the FULL version when I rent...
Stop whinning about money, some people have the money to buy a expensive pc and a console.
Have you even read the thread? I did not bring up the money thing, the "PCs are better" crowd did. I personally have a 100K income and have everything I desire. So, you can bet your ass I am not whining about money.
Hardly, lets look to the side of mmorpg.com-19 upcoming?17 already here? Now, how many for console again???
MMORPGs are coming for consoles. It is a fact, not hardly. No one said MMORPGs are "better" on a console. It is one genre that is currently better on the PC. But, most genres are better ona console.
If you want to take money out of the equation, then surely you should have both, a great PC and a console. If money is not an object, then you should have the best of both worlds.
Since you brought it up, lets ask the populace...
If money was NOT in consideration. Would you own a console (or all of them) and a high end PC? Be truthful.
If the title of this thread is true its a sad sad future for gaming. I rarely find any console games I enjoy playing and nothing that compares to the computer ones available. There is no way I would play a mmorpg on this or the next generation of consoles.
I am fairly certain that 30 minutes of Xbox playing on my couch would change that. Maybe not for an MMORPG (though, I do look forward to using the XBox Live comminucator in an MMORPG), but for sure in just about any other game. SWAT, Halo, Need For Speed Underground, Madden 2004, Fuzion Frenzy, etc...
When the orginal Xbox came out, it was fairly comparable to PCs at the time, 733 MHz CPU NVidia video card that was as good as the current PCs NVidia card. When XBox 2 comes out next year, it could very well have 2.8+ GHz CPU and a Radeon 9800 style video card. And only pushing 1080i or 720p at max, the games should look very very very smooth/good!!!
Those stats on the Xbox 2 are part of the problem. My computer is already more powerful then the Xbox 2 and it is over a year away yet...
I have played Xbox games and wasnt impressed. To tell the truth though its probably almost as much the type of games that come out on consoles that I dont care for as much as it is the technical differences in the systems.
On top of that I dont like the controllers. Keyboard and mouse just seems to give me so much more control in the types of games I enjoy. I know you can get those for some consoles too but most of their games just arent tailored to use that type of input.
Let's not forget that unlike a PC, a game console is solely designed for gaming. There is no massive front-end in a console that you have for a PC. For example, when you are running your favourite game on the PC you also have your Operating System and the other plethora of programs running as well (Antivirus programs, Instant Messengers, and so forth). This isn't so for a console.
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Originally posted by Misti Those stats on the Xbox 2 are part of the problem. My computer is already more powerful then the Xbox 2 and it is over a year away yet... I have played Xbox games and wasnt impressed. To tell the truth though its probably almost as much the type of games that come out on consoles that I dont care for as much as it is the technical differences in the systems. On top of that I dont like the controllers. Keyboard and mouse just seems to give me so much more control in the types of games I enjoy. I know you can get those for some consoles too but most of their games just arent tailored to use that type of input.
Yes, but most of the work your PC does is drawing the graphics. Since the Xbox doesn't have to draw 1280x1024 graphics, it has a lot more horsepower left over. Especially considering the graphics and the graphics engine are designed specifically for the hardware in the XBox.
Right now, in a PC game, the developers have to develop to the DirectX or OpenGL standard and then a whole other layer of computing takes place to convert that to the specific hardware in your PC. The Xbox (or PS2) gets to skip that step. The program gets to talk directly to the video hardware. Much more efficient.
Yes, it is hard to get away from the mouse and keyboard. It takes a while. But, once you get use to it, you will be glad to be rid of the clunky keyboard This is of course, my opinion.
I admit, console gaming just isn't for some people. But the truth is, a lot of the naysayers just haven't given it a chance. I was one for many years. Now, I love my console. Just had to break out of the stubborness...
price does effect the decision making proccess of consumers...ECON 101. Also not all "gamers" are 20-40 year old MMORPGers with disposable incomes. I would say that at least half of games bought by consumers, are bought by parents for kids that are under 18. So when a parents kid asks for a game system, which type of system do you think that parent will buy. A $1500-$2000 gaming pc, or a $150 console???
Also did you happen to read the article at the beginning of this post. The article says that they speculate that there will be over 40 million gamers playing online with consoles by 2008. Let's assume that they are off on their figure by 10 million consoles. That is still 30 million playing online with consoles in 2008....If you are a game developer like SOE or Blizzard, it would probably be in your best interest to develop MMORPG's that can be played on consoles and PC's.....if only 5% of those 30 million play your mmorpg, that is still about 5 times the number of accounts that the most successful MMORPG has ever had....ie EQ with about 500,00 accounts (by the way 5% of 30 million is 2.5 million...and 500,000 times 5 = 2.5 million).
Sheer economics alone will determine where the future of gaming is, and if my math is correct $150-$300 is still less than $1000-$2000...Xaldor
Originally posted by TaskyZZ Ahh, another challenger.
Originally posted by ramadin Whatever people.... The fact is graphics on a PC are 10 times what they are on a damn TV.
Let's see here. TV, 720x480... times 10... Wow, you must have a really nice $25,000 monitor to be running at 7200x4800. How big is that puppy, and how much does it weigh?
Hmmm, let's do the math. 720*480=345,600 so, 7200*4800=34,560,000 which would be 100x better. A good PC can run many games at 1600x1200. So, 10x is a bit of an exageration since 1600*1200=1,920,000 which is only a little over 5 1/2 times better than a TV. But I would say 5 1/2 times better is quite significant.
The XBox has RTS games, FPS games, and simulations. Gaming on the XBox is just much more comfortable.
well just what im saying is the input methods are different...tell me do you want to play super mario on a keyboard? i dont like Halo due to the xbox controller, give me a mouse an WASD...its all based on the games, not the machine. Sega Genesis was superior to NES, but nintendo continued massive NES success by the games they put out.
If the game requires manual dexterity i prefer console, the game was specifically made to run on that system. Something thats just point and click (Baldur's Gate for example) then i prefer PC
Originally posted by ramadin Consoles are good for games that require no thought or skill. This is why all the good games are on PC.
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That is your personal opinion, yet you state it as if it were fact. If you've ever played games like TENCHU or MGS, im sure you would see that you need "skill" and "thought" to finish these games. Also it takes a hell of a lot of skill and thought to beat me in a game of MADDEN...lol...Xaldor
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And TaskyZZ, UT2004 has voice chat built into it, but if you don't use a mic you still have the normal text chat option.
Whatever people.... The fact is graphics on a PC are 10 times what they are on a damn TV. You have to buy a game at least every month on a console because hardcore gamers like myself can beat the game in a couple days or weeks. PC games, like EQ, lasted for 3 years without me even wanting another game. I also sold 2 EQ accounts for a total of 1555 dollars. Beat that console gamers!
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Ahh, another challenger.
Let's see here. TV, 720x480... times 10... Wow, you must have a really nice $25,000 monitor to be running at 7200x4800. How big is that puppy, and how much does it weigh?
Wow... I never heard of anyone completing Morrowind in one month. You rock. And I can complete a game of Madden in about an hour... but that doesn't mean I am done with it.
If you are going through games that fast, that just means you should be renting them for only $5 instead of buying them. Many, many games can be funb for a lot longer than that if you play on Xbox Live!, there are a lot of great players out there.
I lasted about 7 or 8 months... There are MMORPGs in the works for consoles. When they arrive, then you agree that consoles are better? If this is the reason that PCs are better, than you must agree???
WOW!!! (That was sarcasm)... How many days played to accomplish that? I work for just 60 hours and make that much money. Can do it in a week. Then I can go play a game that is actually fun and not a boring level grind.
I consider it beaten... Opinions??
Hardly. I was merely over exaggerating on the 10 times better, but PC is alot better. Yes I completed Morrowind and the expansions in a month. I wasnt trying to raise money by playing EQ, thats just what I made when I quit. Total it took me about 6 months to raise those two accounts ( I quit previoulsy, then restarted). I didnt ever plan on selling them it was just a side benefit. EQ was not my job. When graphics are better on console, I will agree with you, yes. But until we rid the entire world of all their high dot pitch TV's... PC = win.
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I guess this is just a matter of opinion, and we will have to agree to disagree.
TV's will never have the dot pitch of a monitor. But, if your monitor was 56" and you could play from 10 feet away on the couch, it would have the same dot pitch as my TV.
This difference will always exist.
Answer me this... Do you have a console? Have you played on a console for more than just a 20 minute game at a friends house or at a store?
I originally purchased the Xbox for my kids to play on, not expecting to get any enjoyment out of it. I was a naysayer, like some of you guys here. But, then when I realised how easy it was to use, how quickly the games got up and running. How nice it was utlilizing my $5000 worth of TV and stereo equipment. How enjoyable it was to sit on the couch when I play. How nice it is to get 3 friends on the couch with me playing a good multiplayer game side by side. Etc... The advantages are just HUGE.
Sure, there are still some games I play on my PC, but it is a small minority now, and the number of games I play on my PC is getting smaller and smaller. If I have the choice of playing a game on my Xbox or my PC, and that game does not require a mouse, I will play it on my Xbox. Just so much nicer.
Yes more people are buying game console for several reasons they are cheaper then PC there online fees for there online games are cheaper. . . . . . . . but when i come home at night i like to get on my Alienware Pc because they can do 10x what a PS2 or Xbox will ever do i mean they can type play much more games then a ps2 get on the web and store huge amounts of data and chat with other people
Also the PC has been out much longer then the PS2 thus meaning it would have more games and it does.
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On Time? On Target? Never Quit?
Just jump right in here and repeat stuff that has been said before but has nothing to do with the debate. No is debating that a console can't do email or download files off the web...
Yes, there are some games that, at this point, are more easily played on a PC. But that is slowly changing...
I have a PC and a console. The fact is that there are some games that are flat out better on a console, and there are some games better on a PC. I get the best of both worlds... People who believe consoles just plain suck are only gettiong half of that world... In fact, I would say, a majority of game genreas are more fun on the console.
Lets see:
Better on a console:
Driving
platform
sports
Arcade style
Party games
Better on a PC:
FPS (debateable, but Ill give it to the PC for this argument).
RTS
Basically, if it REQUIRES a mouse, it is better on a PC. Otherwise it is better on a console.
Like Ive said before, when friends come to my house and see the cool stuff I can do on my comp, mainly games, but not only, they agree its much better than console. My neighbor got rid of his PS2 and Xbox, bought a PC and was pissed he spent so much money on games and consoles when PC owns.
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Bulldog:
With all due respect I think that you are missing the point of this thread....If you re-read the title of the thread you will see that it says the FUTURE of gaming is on consoles not PC's....not consoles are more powerful than pc's....and it is my belief that given the fact that a console is far cheaper than pc, and given the fact that almost all new console games have an online feature, that the FUTURE OF GAMING is in fact on consoles and not PC's....and that is just on the current consoles. In a couple years the next gen consoles will be out, and there will no doubt be a new crop of console users that will be ready to utilize these platforms, and play games online...Just remember th thread says "the future of gaming"...not the future of email, surfing the web, bill paying, photoshop, or cd burning....Xaldor
Hmmm...
Got rid of his console? Why, having both is the smartest thing.
At my house when people come over, they don't have to watch me playing games... We all get to have a controller and play... If your friends think watching is better, then more power to them. Mine seem to think playing is more fun.
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"Those who sacrifice liberty in the name of security deserve neither"- Ben Franklin
"Unlike me, many of you have accepted the situation of your imprisonment and will die here like rotten cabbages."- Number Six's speech from "Free for All"
With all due respect I think that you are missing the point of this thread....If you re-read the title of the thread you will see that it says the FUTURE of gaming is on consoles not PC's....not consoles are more powerful than pc's....and it is my belief that given the fact that a console is far cheaper than pc, and given the fact that almost all new console games have an online feature, that the FUTURE OF GAMING is in fact on consoles and not PC's....and that is just on the current consoles. In a couple years the next gen consoles will be out, and there will no doubt be a new crop of console users that will be ready to utilize these platforms, and play games online...Just remember th thread says "the future of gaming"...not the future of email, surfing the web, bill paying, photoshop, or cd burning....Xaldor
So because consoles have a online feature there now the future? Also, there is a hell of alot of money going around these days, I doubt price is a big deal for a gamer. As the console gets better so does the Pc, the pc will not just sit there for years and wait for the "next gen" of consoles. Pc games are doing fine, and this years looks great for pc gaming(half-life 2, doom 3, rome:total war, world of warcraft).
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Ha, another one...
This is true. No denying it... In fact, there are adaptors that will allow you to use the actual controller from a console. But can 4 poeple at a time have one and actually being playing??? Hmmm...
This is so true, opinions, opinions. Or do they do it because they "HAVE TO"?!?!
THis is just BS. I have seen installs take an hour. Don't fool yourself. And now you are mentioning doing marginally illegal things. I have games on the Hard Disk of my Modded Xbox as well, don't need the disk. Games on the Xbox can be upogarded and get Mods. It is happening with XBox Live. And no, most games load faster on the console than the PC.
Again, opinions and situations. But can you always get a demo of a game? usually not. Also, I get the FULL version when I rent...
Have you even read the thread? I did not bring up the money thing, the "PCs are better" crowd did. I personally have a 100K income and have everything I desire. So, you can bet your ass I am not whining about money.
MMORPGs are coming for consoles. It is a fact, not hardly. No one said MMORPGs are "better" on a console. It is one genre that is currently better on the PC. But, most genres are better ona console.
If you want to take money out of the equation, then surely you should have both, a great PC and a console. If money is not an object, then you should have the best of both worlds.
Since you brought it up, lets ask the populace...
If money was NOT in consideration. Would you own a console (or all of them) and a high end PC? Be truthful.
I would... I do...
I am sorry that this is your opinion.
I am fairly certain that 30 minutes of Xbox playing on my couch would change that. Maybe not for an MMORPG (though, I do look forward to using the XBox Live comminucator in an MMORPG), but for sure in just about any other game. SWAT, Halo, Need For Speed Underground, Madden 2004, Fuzion Frenzy, etc...
When the orginal Xbox came out, it was fairly comparable to PCs at the time, 733 MHz CPU NVidia video card that was as good as the current PCs NVidia card. When XBox 2 comes out next year, it could very well have 2.8+ GHz CPU and a Radeon 9800 style video card. And only pushing 1080i or 720p at max, the games should look very very very smooth/good!!!
Those stats on the Xbox 2 are part of the problem. My computer is already more powerful then the Xbox 2 and it is over a year away yet...
I have played Xbox games and wasnt impressed. To tell the truth though its probably almost as much the type of games that come out on consoles that I dont care for as much as it is the technical differences in the systems.
On top of that I dont like the controllers. Keyboard and mouse just seems to give me so much more control in the types of games I enjoy. I know you can get those for some consoles too but most of their games just arent tailored to use that type of input.
Let's not forget that unlike a PC, a game console is solely designed for gaming. There is no massive front-end in a console that you have for a PC. For example, when you are running your favourite game on the PC you also have your Operating System and the other plethora of programs running as well (Antivirus programs, Instant Messengers, and so forth). This isn't so for a console.
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Yes, but most of the work your PC does is drawing the graphics. Since the Xbox doesn't have to draw 1280x1024 graphics, it has a lot more horsepower left over. Especially considering the graphics and the graphics engine are designed specifically for the hardware in the XBox.
Right now, in a PC game, the developers have to develop to the DirectX or OpenGL standard and then a whole other layer of computing takes place to convert that to the specific hardware in your PC. The Xbox (or PS2) gets to skip that step. The program gets to talk directly to the video hardware. Much more efficient.
Yes, it is hard to get away from the mouse and keyboard. It takes a while. But, once you get use to it, you will be glad to be rid of the clunky keyboard
This is of course, my opinion.
I admit, console gaming just isn't for some people. But the truth is, a lot of the naysayers just haven't given it a chance. I was one for many years. Now, I love my console. Just had to break out of the stubborness...
To Nmbr 6:
price does effect the decision making proccess of consumers...ECON 101. Also not all "gamers" are 20-40 year old MMORPGers with disposable incomes. I would say that at least half of games bought by consumers, are bought by parents for kids that are under 18. So when a parents kid asks for a game system, which type of system do you think that parent will buy. A $1500-$2000 gaming pc, or a $150 console???
Also did you happen to read the article at the beginning of this post. The article says that they speculate that there will be over 40 million gamers playing online with consoles by 2008. Let's assume that they are off on their figure by 10 million consoles. That is still 30 million playing online with consoles in 2008....If you are a game developer like SOE or Blizzard, it would probably be in your best interest to develop MMORPG's that can be played on consoles and PC's.....if only 5% of those 30 million play your mmorpg, that is still about 5 times the number of accounts that the most successful MMORPG has ever had....ie EQ with about 500,00 accounts (by the way 5% of 30 million is 2.5 million...and 500,000 times 5 = 2.5 million).
Sheer economics alone will determine where the future of gaming is, and if my math is correct $150-$300 is still less than $1000-$2000...Xaldor
Let's see here. TV, 720x480... times 10... Wow, you must have a really nice $25,000 monitor to be running at 7200x4800. How big is that puppy, and how much does it weigh?
Hmmm, let's do the math. 720*480=345,600 so, 7200*4800=34,560,000 which would be 100x better. A good PC can run many games at 1600x1200. So, 10x is a bit of an exageration since 1600*1200=1,920,000 which is only a little over 5 1/2 times better than a TV. But I would say 5 1/2 times better is quite significant.
well just what im saying is the input methods are different...tell me do you want to play super mario on a keyboard? i dont like Halo due to the xbox controller, give me a mouse an WASD...its all based on the games, not the machine. Sega Genesis was superior to NES, but nintendo continued massive NES success by the games they put out.
If the game requires manual dexterity i prefer console, the game was specifically made to run on that system. Something thats just point and click (Baldur's Gate for example) then i prefer PC
Consoles are good for games that require no thought or skill. This is why all the good games are on PC.
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Yes its good for sports games too.
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