Xbox 360 is certainly more than powerful and capable enough to run Age of Conan and compete in image quality terms with all but the most powerful of Direct X 10 capable Gaming PC's.
The Xbox 360 is a piece of hardware dedicated to playing games. It has the benefit of being a reduced instruction set architecture meaning it doesnt have to worry about all of the services and subroutines a windows based Operating system has to run in the back ground when launching a full screen 3d application. Its Internal components operate as a general rule of thumb on a more dedicated basis because of the nature of the system as a games console. The bus interconnects are faster and bus latency's are far lower than that of comparable PC hardware which has more roles to consider "out of the box" than merely playing games. This isnt to say PC Gaming platforms are not fantastic, they are, but some PC only gamers with limited knowledge of console hardware must appreciate particularly in the last round of Next Generation games consoles Microsoft and Sony built some "serious" pieces of hardware.
The three 3.2Ghz CPU's are all also Multithreaded capable of two threads each in hardware, on a reduced instruction set (i.e no back end OS Overhead focused to a limited operation) that is a great amount of dedicated power for gaming). The Xbox 360 uses 512Mb of GDDR3 memory not only as a memory frame buffer for its GPU operations but also for its main System Memory routines also. Effectively the Xbox 360 is using GDDR3 Memory at 1.4Ghz in speed as its main system ram, and although shared in a unified memory architecture with the GPU also this Access to memory is far faster albeit lower in actual capacity than a high end PC's DDR2 800/900Mhz. Also noting these next generation consoles can do comparitive operations to High End Gaming machines with less Ram because they dont have the OS Background and backend to consider. Xbox 360 Live is possibly one of the most stable and polished online services i have played on it makes alot of sense to push Multiplayer online games down this route, With the support on the 360 for USB keyboards and integrated voice chat its a very solid platform to launch from. I am an Avid MMORPG Fan and looking forward to conan very much, but im also not mindless and am very fortunate enough to own an Xbox 360 aswell. I also use a second 360 as a media centre extender.
As for the Xbox 360 and the PS3 Hardware argument i saw lurking around some very interesting arguments and ultimately there are alot of rights and wrongs and it boils down too too different ways of implementation.
The Playstation 3 Cell Engine does theoretically have a LOT of horsepower under the hood more so than the Xbox 360'S more traditional and very powerful yet slightly more limited "In Order" Three Core IBM Solution. The key here is the Xbox 360's cores are multithreaded and so have a lot of raw power, the Playstation 3 architecture has the potential to be somewhat more sophisticated because even though it only has one 3.2Ghz Core it can use its SPE Units of which it has Six operational all running at the same 3.2Ghz of the Main CPU Core, each with their own 256k of Fast Cache to control fundamental elements of a game seperate to each other. Therefore it will be possible in future to see much more advanced simulation and physics possible on the PS3 than the Xbox 360. However the draw back is Microsofts Architecture is delivering RAW power and threads through a proven architecture easier to code for, the cell is bleeding edge BUT much more complex a code base.
On the Memory Front again its too different approaches both with drawbacks, The Playstation 3 uses a total of 512Mb of Ram but divided into two strict pools. First is 256Mb of very quick XDRRam which is dedicated too system, the other is slower GDDR3 Ram at 650Mhz (1.3Ghz) effective similar to the XBOX360 Memory, dedicated to the PS3 RSX (Nvidia GPU). This means the PS3 uses 256Mb of Super fast System Ram and 256 Mb of Fast Graphics Memory always in that configuration.
The Xbox 360 Uses 700Mhz (1.4Ghz Effective) GDDR3 Ram for all functions Graphics Memory and System Memory, however the difference being the XBox 360 uses a UMA (Unified Memory Architecture). What this means is the the games developers can actually program the 360's memory controllers to split the RAM between GPU and System functions however they want. 300Mb for Graphics and 212Mb for Sound and AI and everything else for example. So whilst the PS3 uses a much faster 3.2Ghz XDRRam solution as main system Ram the 360 is somewhat more flexible in how its memory resources are allocated by the games developer.
Finally the Graphics Cores, and this really is a somewhat reversal of the CPU scenario piece above. The PS3 uses a custom graphics GPU called RSX and developed by Nvidia. The RSX is a custom built GPU with 24 Pixel Shaders and 8 Vertex Shaders the core runs at 500Mhz. It is almost identical albeit higher in Cross Bus transfer speeds to the Nvidia 7800 which is a Mid - High Range PC part now.
The Graphics Chip on the Xbox 360 is a custom made GPU called Xenos made by ATI. It was the first GPU (Before Nvidias 8000 Series) to use USA (Unified Shader Architecture) which is far more advanced and efficient than fixed Vertex and Pixel Engines. The Xenon has 48 of these Unified Shaders and developers are free to align them to Vertex or Pixel Shading as they see fit. It also features a higher revision of Pixel Shaders than the RSX and uses an Internal 256Bit Ring Bus memory architecture as opposed to RSX's 128bit Memory Interface. The Xenon also runs at 500Mhz. HOWEVER the Xenon also has another trick up its sleeve over the RSX GPU. The Xenon features 10 Mb of Very Fast Cache memory on a daughter Die of the main GPU die. Effectively what this means is that the 360 GPU can access this small but crucially important 10Mb at very very high speed for cached 3d data. What this actually means is that the Xbox 360 is able to Produce 4x Anti Aliasing, Alpha Blending and Z-Buffering on the fly with no performance hit to the GPU or the GDDR3 Bandwidth it is using. This is something the RSX simply isnt capable of and one reason why the 360's GPU is arguably a more advanced piece of hardware.
Looking forward to Conan, i will more than likely be buying it for my 360 and plugging a keyboard in....But anyway, all the best and thanks for listening.
over and over and over again I keep seeing this misinformation. No, the xbox360 does not out power the PS3 in terms of processing power. So many of you are saying "it can only be on the 360 cause nothing else can run it", and thats NOT true. Sorry but its not. The ps3 out powers the 360, and it is this reason games like MGS4 will appear on PS3. The 360 has better graphical power but over all power? no. So lets drop the bias here and admit the pros and cons of both consoles. Ps3 is by far the most powerful console on the market, the 360 has the best console gpu on the market. Nuff said.
Still I will be playing aoc on my PC. The way these games are meant to be played.
Simple enough, why would Microsoft let them make a port to the PS3? Anyone that thinks AoC will be for PS3 is just ignorant.
Another thing....the game will run beautiful on the Xbox 360. I'm planning on playing it on my PC, but for only one reason...because it's being release on PC first. My Xbox 360 is a tad bit more powerful than my PC (and I got a pretty decent PC also). Xbox 360 can have a Keyboard and a Mouse, so how is this bad? I hate people that think console gamers are a totally different breed. To me the PC gamers that hate consoles are just closed minded immature fools. I never hear any debate like this from the Xbox fans. Nuff said.
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Simple enough, why would Microsoft let them make a port to the PS3? Anyone that thinks AoC will be for PS3 is just ignorant.
Another thing....the game will run beautiful on the Xbox 360. I'm planning on playing it on my PC, but for only one reason...because it's being release on PC first. My Xbox 360 is a tad bit more powerful than my PC (and I got a pretty decent PC also). Xbox 360 can have a Keyboard and a Mouse, so how is this bad? I hate people that think console gamers are a totally different breed. To me the PC gamers that hate consoles are just closed minded immature fools. I never hear any debate like this from the Xbox fans. Nuff said.
HAHAHA....good one! I guess you've never been to Gamespot forums where the xbox kiddies DO indeed incite fights.
BTW do you plan on adding a desk to your couch or just lugging your TV on top of your current work space?
Simple enough, why would Microsoft let them make a port to the PS3? Anyone that thinks AoC will be for PS3 is just ignorant.
Another thing....the game will run beautiful on the Xbox 360. I'm planning on playing it on my PC, but for only one reason...because it's being release on PC first. My Xbox 360 is a tad bit more powerful than my PC (and I got a pretty decent PC also). Xbox 360 can have a Keyboard and a Mouse, so how is this bad? I hate people that think console gamers are a totally different breed. To me the PC gamers that hate consoles are just closed minded immature fools. I never hear any debate like this from the Xbox fans. Nuff said.
actually console games ARE a totally different breed. This isnt set in stone but current they are far apart. Not in capabilities mind you but in game design.
Lets put it this way... studies done by the game industry show that console gamers do not like depthier deeper games. The majority want a quick fix. It actually shows that the majority of consoles gamers get bored with longer games and thus shorter games are in more demand. Mix this the current lack of UGC (user generated content) (which most leading rpg and fps developers admit is the future of gaming). Sadly, console developers will also by default make the game playable to the most common storage medium and controller device for that system. Meaning dvd-9 and a 8 button controller. Meaning games like oblivion, even though played with a keyboard are limited by the controller set up. They want to make the game the most accessable, there for they do not assume more people would every play with keyboard and mouse.
There for, the gaming approach is completely different with console games. They expect different target audiences, the dumbed down game is the king in this case, where the quick fix = more money to be made and more kids happy.
PC gaming right now is a completely different breed, and its dying a bit. Partially due to piracy, though consoles are seeing pirates in the buttloads now (haha..pirates..butts..lol..). The PS3 is the closes to an open ended system that would possibly have the least ammount of piracy.
over and over and over again I keep seeing this misinformation. No, the xbox360 does not out power the PS3 in terms of processing power. So many of you are saying "it can only be on the 360 cause nothing else can run it", and thats NOT true. Sorry but its not. The ps3 out powers the 360, and it is this reason games like MGS4 will appear on PS3. The 360 has better graphical power but over all power? no. So lets drop the bias here and admit the pros and cons of both consoles. Ps3 is by far the most powerful console on the market, the 360 has the best console gpu on the market. Nuff said.
Still I will be playing aoc on my PC. The way these games are meant to be played.
I believe i just pretty much gave a technical explanation to that affect above this post of yours. However where i think you are wrong is that if i was to say on paper in terms of pure horse power yes the PS3 is the more powerful system overall. HOWEVER and big however, dont be too quick too judge the PS3's supremecy...because it all depends on how the developers themselves can harness the raw power of the systems on offer and at this time it is a FACT that the Xbox 360 is a far easier platform too code for. Comparitively both sets of hardware are extremely powerful and a totally different implementation of tech trying to reach the same end result.
What has and is hurting PS3 however at present is the versatility of Xbox Live with which it does not compete with at present and also the fact that because Sony were VERY late with there hardware to market they lost alot of the PS3's exclusive titles too also be published on Xbox 360.
Hideo Kojima himself has already stated that MGS4 is actually technically viable on the 360. Doesnt mean it will be a dual platform game it will more than likely be a PS3 exclusive, however the 360's hardware is capable if it was recoded to take advantages of its strengths and those are the words of the games developer.
Sorry for diverting the thread, i think if you take a look however at the recent release of Shadowrun and the collaberation between windows live and Xbox Live it gives us a very clear indication of where microsoft want to take advantage of the versatility of there Xbox 360 and Vista PC gaming platforms in the future. Conan's release will be very interesting because of the Direct X9 and Direct X 10 versions of the client, but i wouldnt be surprised to see certain servers where both platforms are connected.
over and over and over again I keep seeing this misinformation. No, the xbox360 does not out power the PS3 in terms of processing power. So many of you are saying "it can only be on the 360 cause nothing else can run it", and thats NOT true. Sorry but its not. The ps3 out powers the 360, and it is this reason games like MGS4 will appear on PS3. The 360 has better graphical power but over all power? no. So lets drop the bias here and admit the pros and cons of both consoles. Ps3 is by far the most powerful console on the market, the 360 has the best console gpu on the market. Nuff said.
Still I will be playing aoc on my PC. The way these games are meant to be played.
I believe i just pretty much gave a technical explanation to that affect above this post of yours. However where i think you are wrong is that if i was to say on paper in terms of pure horse power yes the PS3 is the more powerful system overall. HOWEVER and big however, dont be too quick too judge the PS3's supremecy...because it all depends on how the developers themselves can harness the raw power of the systems on offer and at this time it is a FACT that the Xbox 360 is a far easier platform too code for. Comparitively both sets of hardware are extremely powerful and a totally different implementation of tech trying to reach the same end result.
Its not about Supremecy, its about giving credit where credit is due. People are saying the PS3 cant run it, that only the 360 can. Thats bullox. That "big however" doesnt change the power of the PS3. Obviously you need developers to use that power, and the cell processing doesnt require harder code. ITs actually just as easy as developing games for the PS2. The only difference is it uses current code as well, code in which many programmers never bothered to keep up to date with. Its not hard to figure out either, so the "its too hard to code" excuse kinda flew out the window.
With the 360 those developers are limited to that dvd, where as with the ps3 those developers are faced with a much bigger storage medium. One that would allow them to put a game on the PS3 "easier" than spending days on end trying to compress the data enough to fit on a dvd. So for ambitious games its actually harder and more time consuming to squeeze the game onto a dvd (while compressing and getting rid of stuff) as compared to putting the uncompressed data on a blue ray drive.
What has and is hurting PS3 however at present is the versatility of Xbox Live with which it does not compete with at present and also the fact that because Sony were VERY late with there hardware to market they lost alot of the PS3's exclusive titles too also be published on Xbox 360.
This is another misconception. The online capabilities of the PS3 are damn good and many features are being added with every update. In fact, the PS3 is more versatile due to its open console nature which allows users to modify, customize and create new features for the PS3. It runs freakin linux for crying out loud. The online network is strong, fast and FREE as compared to the 360 that charges. Sony wasnt late with their hardware, well.. they were dealing with immersion and a lawsuit at the time but so did microsoft before them. I would say that the 360 was early rather than sony being late. Why? because the 360 at its core is merely an upgraded xbox. The xbox was merely the prototype for the xbox 360 which is nearly the same thing just with upgraded hardware. The wii is still a 700mhz powered gamecube and the Ps3, dealing with new technology was pretty fast to get their system on the market. 1 year difference for a completely different product. Thats pretty damn good. The PS2 was also still the stop selling system, there was no rush.
I think you are confused about exclusives by the way. Exclusives cost money to stay exclusive. Meaning, if sony wanted to keep them exclusive, they could have. Only in this day and age, game developement costs are through the roof. Its far more profitable to have a game be multiplatform than exclusive. For those exclusives you see on the 360, they are there because microsoft is paying them to stay that way. Kinda like a bribe, thats how the exclusive system generally opperates. Sony decided it didnt need to pay to keep all its exclusives. IT has nothing to do with when the console was released or the product. Im suprised you didnt know that. You say lost, I say let go. Big difference.
Hideo Kojima himself has already stated that MGS4 is actually technically viable on the 360. Doesnt mean it will be a dual platform game it will more than likely be a PS3 exclusive, however the 360's hardware is capable if it was recoded to take advantages of its strengths and those are the words of the games developer.
Hideo Kokima said the blue ray disk is too small for MGS4. He also said " But like I said, MGS4 is aimed for the movie theatre, it's aimed for the PS3, so the game's scenario and graphics need this theatre-type hardware. It's when a producer has a game that can work on the "DVD level" that a game will go multiplatform" The 360 is a dvd to the ps3 as a movie theatre as he puts it. Clearly and artistically saying that "the 360 cannot handle MGS4 in any way" and that those multiplatform games have to run on a dvd level, giving up the ambition of the big screen effect.
Sorry for diverting the thread, i think if you take a look however at the recent release of Shadowrun and the collaberation between windows live and Xbox Live it gives us a very clear indication of where microsoft want to take advantage of the versatility of there Xbox 360 and Vista PC gaming platforms in the future. Conan's release will be very interesting because of the Direct X9 and Direct X 10 versions of the client, but i wouldnt be surprised to see certain servers where both platforms are connected.
Simple enough, why would Microsoft let them make a port to the PS3? Anyone that thinks AoC will be for PS3 is just ignorant.
Another thing....the game will run beautiful on the Xbox 360. I'm planning on playing it on my PC, but for only one reason...because it's being release on PC first. My Xbox 360 is a tad bit more powerful than my PC (and I got a pretty decent PC also). Xbox 360 can have a Keyboard and a Mouse, so how is this bad? I hate people that think console gamers are a totally different breed. To me the PC gamers that hate consoles are just closed minded immature fools. I never hear any debate like this from the Xbox fans. Nuff said.
HAHAHA....good one! I guess you've never been to Gamespot forums where the xbox kiddies DO indeed incite fights.
BTW do you plan on adding a desk to your couch or just lugging your TV on top of your current work space?
I'm not going to be playing on my Xbox 360, my PC is good enough. Plus, I play my Xbox on my computer monitor. So no need for such adjustments. Of course Xbox fans have fights and start them, but who said any PC fan is better? We are all just a breed of gamers, that's all. I don't care what 'studies' say.
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how was the FFXI port to ps2, if that was mmo like and not console game then i would imagine AoC console will be just as good as the PC version. The game is supposed to be MMO so IMO the pc version players are safe
over and over and over again I keep seeing this misinformation. No, the xbox360 does not out power the PS3 in terms of processing power. So many of you are saying "it can only be on the 360 cause nothing else can run it", and thats NOT true. Sorry but its not. The ps3 out powers the 360, and it is this reason games like MGS4 will appear on PS3. The 360 has better graphical power but over all power? no. So lets drop the bias here and admit the pros and cons of both consoles. Ps3 is by far the most powerful console on the market, the 360 has the best console gpu on the market. Nuff said.
Still I will be playing aoc on my PC. The way these games are meant to be played.
Only in the CPU department NOT in the GPU terms. The 360 does give better overall power than the PS3, all the PS3 has thats worth anything is it's CPU and Blu-Ray. The 360 has a far better GPU and memory system, it is far easier and faster to produce games on the 360 than PS3. Oh by the way MGS4 will be comming to the 360 and so will DMC4. There isn't a game the PS3 can play that the 360 can't.
LOL. Sorry to say bub, but you are wrong on all accounts. Do you usually talk out of your arse? You clearly have no idea about the differences between the PS3 and the 360, nor how the PS3 opporates. MGS4 is NOT coming out for the 360 btw champ. You should stop making sh*t up. Im no PS3 fanboy, but at least I have my facts straight.
""Moving on, I remind him of a comment he made last year comparing each of the three current consoles to "different kinds of dinner". Did he still think that was the case, now that all three are on the market? Nope. "They're more like a movie theatre metaphor", he says.
"The PS3 is like the theatre, it's a little bit high-priced but it has to be high quality as well. The 360 is a DVD, it still needs to be high quality but you need more variations, while the Wii is almost like a TV channel, because every game you have it with your family".
But like I said, MGS4 is aimed for the movie theatre, it's aimed for the PS3, so the game's scenario and graphics need this theatre-type hardware. It's when a producer has a game that can work on the 'DVD level' that a game will go multiplatform", he says. Sorry kids. Your "OMGMGS4360" banners will have to come out another day.
Since we've opened up this can of worms, I may as well get his thoughts on it. Why, I ask, do you think this rumour simply refuses to go away? "Because 360 owners want it on 360, obviously", he quips."
I didnt see where it said this would come out for the PS3. And if it did would it be able to play on the same servers as the PC and Xbox360 versions? Seeing as the xbox and pc will be on the same servers.
over and over and over again I keep seeing this misinformation. No, the xbox360 does not out power the PS3 in terms of processing power. So many of you are saying "it can only be on the 360 cause nothing else can run it", and thats NOT true. Sorry but its not. The ps3 out powers the 360, and it is this reason games like MGS4 will appear on PS3. The 360 has better graphical power but over all power? no. So lets drop the bias here and admit the pros and cons of both consoles. Ps3 is by far the most powerful console on the market, the 360 has the best console gpu on the market. Nuff said.
Still I will be playing aoc on my PC. The way these games are meant to be played.
Only in the CPU department NOT in the GPU terms. The 360 does give better overall power than the PS3, all the PS3 has thats worth anything is it's CPU and Blu-Ray. The 360 has a far better GPU and memory system, it is far easier and faster to produce games on the 360 than PS3. Oh by the way MGS4 will be comming to the 360 and so will DMC4. There isn't a game the PS3 can play that the 360 can't.
LOL. Sorry to say bub, but you are wrong on all accounts. Do you usually talk out of your arse? You clearly have no idea about the differences between the PS3 and the 360, nor how the PS3 opporates. MGS4 is NOT coming out for the 360 btw champ. You should stop making sh*t up. Im no PS3 fanboy, but at least I have my facts straight.
""Moving on, I remind him of a comment he made last year comparing each of the three current consoles to "different kinds of dinner". Did he still think that was the case, now that all three are on the market? Nope. "They're more like a movie theatre metaphor", he says.
"The PS3 is like the theatre, it's a little bit high-priced but it has to be high quality as well. The 360 is a DVD, it still needs to be high quality but you need more variations, while the Wii is almost like a TV channel, because every game you have it with your family".
But like I said, MGS4 is aimed for the movie theatre, it's aimed for the PS3, so the game's scenario and graphics need this theatre-type hardware. It's when a producer has a game that can work on the 'DVD level' that a game will go multiplatform", he says. Sorry kids. Your "OMGMGS4360" banners will have to come out another day.
Since we've opened up this can of worms, I may as well get his thoughts on it. Why, I ask, do you think this rumour simply refuses to go away? "Because 360 owners want it on 360, obviously", he quips."
-Hideo Kojima
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Well you should go and do some research fanboi. The 360's GPU is far superior to the the PS3's, the PS3 has the equivilent to a GeForce 7800gtx series. Need i remind you that that type of card is or almost 2 years old, i should know i had two in my pc before getting an 8800. The 360 has an ATI Xenos which is a custom built card very similiar to the ATI HD2900XT which was recently released. The 360's GPU would benchmark the PS3's under the bloody table mate. The 360's memory and other componenets(not including CPU) are better and more efficient than what the PS3 has, fact. The Xbox's online service is far better than it's playstation counterpart aswell, it's tried and teasted and has a far bigger user base infact it's more than double the user base for PS3's online service. The only area the PS3 shine in is it's CPU i don't think i need to explain how much potential Cell has. It is difficult to code for though thats a fact, developer have been saying it for months. There aren't any games out that even utilise Dual-Core properly yet so what good is having 8 cores.
By the way it would be stupid in economic terms for kojima to not bring MGS4 to the 360, look at the amount of money he and his compnay would stand to make if they went multi-platmform. Sony has sold how many PS3's? around 1 million, MicroSoft has sold over 11 million 360's so there are more customers for Kojima on the 360. I think it was you that said that there wasn't enough room on Blu-Ray discs for MGS4, well thats probably bullshit consideering that a Blu-ray disc has a 50Gb capacity. DVD discs would probably not have enough room i agree but thats what multiple discs are for or they could utilise HD DVD on the 360.
Anyway my PC pisses all over the PS3.
lol ok genius, did you know it helps to read a post before you repond and quote it? If you were smart enough to read the post you would see where I clearly stated the 360 has a better gpu, but you dont realize that the processing power found in the PS3 has more of an impact with what the console can do via gameplay and yes, even graphics. Sorry kid but i own both consoles and I know what they are about. The PS3 is far more powerful a system than the 360 while the 360 has slightly better visuals.
You want to talk about PCs, thats fine. I also run a dual core rig with 4gigs of g.skill ram and a 8800gtx. I suppose its time to put that SLI to good use and get another 8800. Of course this winter the 9k series are coming out, and then you will have cheaper 8k series.
No one saying multiplatform games bring in less revinue. Its a simple fact that multiplatform usually equals more profit, the only time this changes is if one company buys out the exclusive rights for it OR the game is made using technology and abilities only one console has. Example, the Wiimote style of play. In the case of games like MGS4, and aparently FF, the PS3's blue ray disc space and cell processing power are needed. Kojima has already made it clear that only the PS3 can run his vision of the game. The only thing next gen about the 360 unfortunately is the GPU, however its merely an upgraded version of the first xbox. In which case the PS3 is a complete overhaul from the PS2. Also the 360 has been out for over a year and the PS3 is just getting started.
In fact, since you seem to think you know everything, let me remind you that the PS3 has just sold over a million units in Europe alone. This beats both the Ps1 and the Ps2 when they were released as well as the Wii and the 360. The PS3 within its first few months of release has out sold pretty much everything. Obviously you cannot compare a system that has been around for over a year to one thats just starting. You can only look at their respective launch dates. Its also safe to say that the Playstation franchise has consistantly followed a similar pattern. The ps1 and the ps2 where ridiculed for slow sales at first, but where are they now? they are some of the top selling consoles of all time. People laughed when the ps2 was using dvds and played movies, now where is it? games are still being made for it. Sony is consistant, and based off the exact same selling pattern, its stupid to say it will fail or lack the # of players when people said the same for its previous consoles and it turned out the exact opposite.
Btw champ, its a given that good PCs will beat the consoles. If your PC pisses on the ps3, then its also pissing on the 360. In this case my PC is probably pissing on your PC, which then turns this into one big gay pissfest. Saying your PC beats a console is like saying, "my car can go faster than your wheelchair". It just sounds stupid.
lol ok genius, did you know it helps to read a post before you repond and quote it? If you were smart enough to read the post you would see where I clearly stated the 360 has a better gpu, but you dont realize that the processing power found in the PS3 has more of an impact with what the console can do via gameplay and yes, even graphics. Sorry kid but i own both consoles and I know what they are about. The PS3 is far more powerful a system than the 360 while the 360 has slightly better visuals.
You want to talk about PCs, thats fine. I also run a dual core rig with 4gigs of g.skill ram and a 8800gtx. I suppose its time to put that SLI to good use and get another 8800. Of course this winter the 9k series are coming out, and then you will have cheaper 8k series.
No one saying multiplatform games bring in less revinue. Its a simple fact that multiplatform usually equals more profit, the only time this changes is if one company buys out the exclusive rights for it OR the game is made using technology and abilities only one console has. Example, the Wiimote style of play. In the case of games like MGS4, and aparently FF, the PS3's blue ray disc space and cell processing power are needed. Kojima has already made it clear that only the PS3 can run his vision of the game. The only thing next gen about the 360 unfortunately is the GPU, however its merely an upgraded version of the first xbox. In which case the PS3 is a complete overhaul from the PS2. Also the 360 has been out for over a year and the PS3 is just getting started.
In fact, since you seem to think you know everything, let me remind you that the PS3 has just sold over a million units in Europe alone. This beats both the Ps1 and the Ps2 when they were released as well as the Wii and the 360. The PS3 within its first few months of release has out sold pretty much everything. Obviously you cannot compare a system that has been around for over a year to one thats just starting. You can only look at their respective launch dates. Its also safe to say that the Playstation franchise has consistantly followed a similar pattern. The ps1 and the ps2 where ridiculed for slow sales at first, but where are they now? they are some of the top selling consoles of all time. People laughed when the ps2 was using dvds and played movies, now where is it? games are still being made for it. Sony is consistant, and based off the exact same selling pattern, its stupid to say it will fail or lack the # of players when people said the same for its previous consoles and it turned out the exact opposite.
Btw champ, its a given that good PCs will beat the consoles. If your PC pisses on the ps3, then its also pissing on the 360. In this case my PC is probably pissing on your PC, which then turns this into one big gay pissfest. Saying your PC beats a console is like saying, "my car can go faster than your wheelchair". It just sounds stupid.
What are you talking about? The Wii sold more then the PS3 at launch, and who cares about EUROPE. hmm NO ONE.
AoC on the PS3! Netting the game a a whopping 20 additional players. All I can say is I'm glad I was never interested in this. Lol PStriple.
theres no confirmation that AoC will be on PS3, even there web site say that AoC is only being developed for 360 and PC not PS3
It wont ever be on the PS3. We can all agree on that. Not because the PS3 cannot run it, rather its microsofts play thing.
As for you my friend? saying that no one cares about europe means you are a bit nationalistic. No one cares about the wii either. No one cares about YOU.
AoC on the PS3! Netting the game a a whopping 20 additional players. All I can say is I'm glad I was never interested in this. Lol PStriple.
theres no confirmation that AoC will be on PS3, even there web site say that AoC is only being developed for 360 and PC not PS3
It wont ever be on the PS3. We can all agree on that. Not because the PS3 cannot run it, rather its microsofts play thing.
As for you my friend? saying that no one cares about europe means you are a bit nationalistic. No one cares about the wii either. No one cares about YOU.
Yeah right, Microsoft has this game contractually locked and bolted down tight.
Microsoft has no contract that binds Funcom to only their console, if they so chose they could port it to anything they wanted. The fact however remains that the 360 is pretty much the only console capable of handling the kind of strain AoC is going to put on it, not to mention is a hell of a lot easier to code for.This is BS the PS3 has way more power and ability then the X-Box why lie ? The code part is true tho
Still fanboyz off all types i guess ... ps im an old school rpger , have not cared for an rpg after xenogears and fft and valk profile.... Tho i have played alot ...
edit- to add that i understand that its coming out for x-box 360 and pc, not the ps3 (not like i care).I love how people still haven't realized that the xbox 360 does indeed have more power overall than the playstation 3. The ps3 processor may have more power on paper, however coding for it is a nightmare. It has 8 SPEs, one of which is disabled during manufacturing, and another which is dedicated to the OS strictly. This leaves six, single threaded, processor like pieces of hardware to handle games. The xbox 360 has a symetrical, three core processor, each core being multithreaded. So they are basically even, however the playstation three's cell is much more difficult to program for. Also, the graphics card in the xbox 360 with its daughter die and modified version of directx 9 blows the graphics card in the playstation 3 out of the water due to it's unified shader design. The playstation 3 is more a home entertainment media package than a gaming machine when compared to the xbox 360. So the console with the overall most power is also much easier to program for and needless to say, has better online support. I wish people would do some research, honestly.
You're discription of cell processing isn't really fair.
The PS3 has more processing power then the 360 could ever hope to have. The 360 is nothing more then a relatively high end pc and doesn't do anything out of the ordinary; it uses the same hardware you can put into your PC today, and most likely already have. The PS3 is using technology that won't be widely used in PC's for a little while yet. You can see evidence of it in Nvidias commercial 8800 gfx card, wich uses a form of cell processing. Graphically there is no dif. between what the 360 and the PS3 can do, and the PS3 is capable of doing thing outside of graphics that the 360 can't, as well as rendering faster then the 360 can from what I've seen.
Neither machine has a leg up as far as gaming goes, unless you consider that the 360 is easier to make games for, and it's easier because it's using tech that is already familliar to developers. Insiders have been saying this since these two systems were in developement, you will see no dif. in graphics between these two systems. What it will come down to is what titles become exlusive to what system. Arguing over wich system is better is silly. Just buy the one that has the games you want to play, or don't buy one at all.
Also DX will have nothing to do with whether or not you can play these two games on the same server. The graphics are client side, the 360 is DX capable, and it's already been stated that if they chose to it is possible to play cross platform. The problem they have is keeping gameplay balanced. PC users have an advantage with the mouse and keyboard over console users controller. If they can keep it balanced then expect to see cross platform gameplay. There was even an article on this site about that very issue.
I for one would love to play cross platform. Everyone I know has a 360 and it would be nice to be able to play a game with my friends and familly.
Console gamer, or PC gamer, we all have the same thing in common. We're GAMERS.
I wouldn't bother getting another 8800 if the 9 series will be out soon.
Nah, the 9000 will be more expensive, much more. But the 8800 will drop in price, and dual 8800 with SLI is a better investment than a 9000 gpu initially. The only reason to really get the 8k series and up is the dirx10 support. Two 8800s will be powerfull enough till its time to upgrade once again. Plus I have to save some money for the detatchable BLACK penis im putting on my PC. Unless people see a big black shaft hanging from it, they wont know how much better it is than your tiny little asian shafted PC. ... ok maybe that was a little bit overboard. lol If my PC were a human, it would look like this compared to yours.
But seriously, the 360 is just an upgraded xbox. Im not talking about hardware brand (ati/nvidia), im talking about the unit as a whole and its capabilities. Like the guy above said, the 360 is merely a simplified PC, using the same stuff thats already been out. The PS3 is not the same at all in that regards.
AoC on the PS3! Netting the game a a whopping 20 additional players. All I can say is I'm glad I was never interested in this. Lol PStriple.
theres no confirmation that AoC will be on PS3, even there web site say that AoC is only being developed for 360 and PC not PS3
It wont ever be on the PS3. We can all agree on that. Not because the PS3 cannot run it, rather its microsofts play thing.
As for you my friend? saying that no one cares about europe means you are a bit nationalistic. No one cares about the wii either. No one cares about YOU.
Too much PS3 hate by people who know jack Sh!t.
Read fanboys read: http://www.wiichat.com/playstation-3/29230-fanboyism-what-good-absolutely-nothing.htmlno you dont know nothing, because if the PS3 was so superior they would of sold as many consoles they have made so far in which they didnt nor did they sell more then the Wii. Wii 7.37million units PS3 3.6million units hmmmm i think ps3 is winning NOT!!! shut your mouth untill you know what your talking about. Just because you like the ps3 doesnt make it superiour in sales. The numbers show people of this world LOVE THE Wii not the PS3. And as for me being nationalistic ya damn right i am. WHO CARES ABOUT EUROPE.... Not americans, not the video game industry. Europe will always be third place in anything and everything. Because they get there money from Americans PERIOD, thats why EUROPE is treated like LOWER CLASS with MMO treatment. SUCK IT UP and take it in. It burns don't it. and alsow 7.37 MILLION PEOPLE cared about the wii, cant say the same for the PSUCKZOR3
Can somebody delete this thread, AoC is NOT coming out on ps3, its misleading the teeming millions.
Go make a platform war somewhere else. considering cost and all 360 is easily the best platform hands down, but i'm getting a pc simply because its too long till the 360 release of aoc.
UbiSoft and VU games are European companies aren't they? I like the USA but your attitude towards Europe pisses me right off, i live in the UK so why the hell should i get second class treatment from MMO companies. The UK and Germany do not live off money from the US, it is the UK and Germany that pay for the European Uninion. Like ive said before Goldy you are from European descent, must be hard to live with. Anyway i agree with you that the Wii outsells the PS3 its a clear fact. However the PS3 in terms of power make the Wii look like a snes.
Because ill tell you this those companies may be europed based but there revenue comes from AMERICA so deal with it!!! And you dont know what nationality i am so don't presume im from dat bucket of waste called europe!!!
UbiSoft and VU games are European companies aren't they? I like the USA but your attitude towards Europe pisses me right off, i live in the UK so why the hell should i get second class treatment from MMO companies. The UK and Germany do not live off money from the US, it is the UK and Germany that pay for the European Uninion. Like ive said before Goldy you are from European descent, must be hard to live with. Anyway i agree with you that the Wii outsells the PS3 its a clear fact. However the PS3 in terms of power make the Wii look like a snes.
Because ill tell you this those companies may be europed based but there revenue comes from AMERICA so deal with it!!! And you dont know what nationality i am so don't presume im from dat bucket of waste called europe!!!
By your name on your email address you are from Scottish descent i would say, If the TX stands for texas on your profile then the south was where alot of the first british settelments were in the USA. By the way Europe has a population of over 600 million people and the US has between 3 and 400 miilion people. So who has the bigger customer base?... Europe, The reason we don't get the same service is because of all the different languages. I would say however that because the UK and US have much more in common with each other than the reast of Europe, we do share a language after all. This being the case the UK atleast should get the same service given to the US.
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Xbox 360 is certainly more than powerful and capable enough to run Age of Conan and compete in image quality terms with all but the most powerful of Direct X 10 capable Gaming PC's.
The Xbox 360 is a piece of hardware dedicated to playing games. It has the benefit of being a reduced instruction set architecture meaning it doesnt have to worry about all of the services and subroutines a windows based Operating system has to run in the back ground when launching a full screen 3d application. Its Internal components operate as a general rule of thumb on a more dedicated basis because of the nature of the system as a games console. The bus interconnects are faster and bus latency's are far lower than that of comparable PC hardware which has more roles to consider "out of the box" than merely playing games. This isnt to say PC Gaming platforms are not fantastic, they are, but some PC only gamers with limited knowledge of console hardware must appreciate particularly in the last round of Next Generation games consoles Microsoft and Sony built some "serious" pieces of hardware.
The three 3.2Ghz CPU's are all also Multithreaded capable of two threads each in hardware, on a reduced instruction set (i.e no back end OS Overhead focused to a limited operation) that is a great amount of dedicated power for gaming). The Xbox 360 uses 512Mb of GDDR3 memory not only as a memory frame buffer for its GPU operations but also for its main System Memory routines also. Effectively the Xbox 360 is using GDDR3 Memory at 1.4Ghz in speed as its main system ram, and although shared in a unified memory architecture with the GPU also this Access to memory is far faster albeit lower in actual capacity than a high end PC's DDR2 800/900Mhz. Also noting these next generation consoles can do comparitive operations to High End Gaming machines with less Ram because they dont have the OS Background and backend to consider. Xbox 360 Live is possibly one of the most stable and polished online services i have played on it makes alot of sense to push Multiplayer online games down this route, With the support on the 360 for USB keyboards and integrated voice chat its a very solid platform to launch from. I am an Avid MMORPG Fan and looking forward to conan very much, but im also not mindless and am very fortunate enough to own an Xbox 360 aswell. I also use a second 360 as a media centre extender.
As for the Xbox 360 and the PS3 Hardware argument i saw lurking around some very interesting arguments and ultimately there are alot of rights and wrongs and it boils down too too different ways of implementation.
The Playstation 3 Cell Engine does theoretically have a LOT of horsepower under the hood more so than the Xbox 360'S more traditional and very powerful yet slightly more limited "In Order" Three Core IBM Solution. The key here is the Xbox 360's cores are multithreaded and so have a lot of raw power, the Playstation 3 architecture has the potential to be somewhat more sophisticated because even though it only has one 3.2Ghz Core it can use its SPE Units of which it has Six operational all running at the same 3.2Ghz of the Main CPU Core, each with their own 256k of Fast Cache to control fundamental elements of a game seperate to each other. Therefore it will be possible in future to see much more advanced simulation and physics possible on the PS3 than the Xbox 360. However the draw back is Microsofts Architecture is delivering RAW power and threads through a proven architecture easier to code for, the cell is bleeding edge BUT much more complex a code base.
On the Memory Front again its too different approaches both with drawbacks, The Playstation 3 uses a total of 512Mb of Ram but divided into two strict pools. First is 256Mb of very quick XDRRam which is dedicated too system, the other is slower GDDR3 Ram at 650Mhz (1.3Ghz) effective similar to the XBOX360 Memory, dedicated to the PS3 RSX (Nvidia GPU). This means the PS3 uses 256Mb of Super fast System Ram and 256 Mb of Fast Graphics Memory always in that configuration.
The Xbox 360 Uses 700Mhz (1.4Ghz Effective) GDDR3 Ram for all functions Graphics Memory and System Memory, however the difference being the XBox 360 uses a UMA (Unified Memory Architecture). What this means is the the games developers can actually program the 360's memory controllers to split the RAM between GPU and System functions however they want. 300Mb for Graphics and 212Mb for Sound and AI and everything else for example. So whilst the PS3 uses a much faster 3.2Ghz XDRRam solution as main system Ram the 360 is somewhat more flexible in how its memory resources are allocated by the games developer.
Finally the Graphics Cores, and this really is a somewhat reversal of the CPU scenario piece above. The PS3 uses a custom graphics GPU called RSX and developed by Nvidia. The RSX is a custom built GPU with 24 Pixel Shaders and 8 Vertex Shaders the core runs at 500Mhz. It is almost identical albeit higher in Cross Bus transfer speeds to the Nvidia 7800 which is a Mid - High Range PC part now.
The Graphics Chip on the Xbox 360 is a custom made GPU called Xenos made by ATI. It was the first GPU (Before Nvidias 8000 Series) to use USA (Unified Shader Architecture) which is far more advanced and efficient than fixed Vertex and Pixel Engines. The Xenon has 48 of these Unified Shaders and developers are free to align them to Vertex or Pixel Shading as they see fit. It also features a higher revision of Pixel Shaders than the RSX and uses an Internal 256Bit Ring Bus memory architecture as opposed to RSX's 128bit Memory Interface. The Xenon also runs at 500Mhz. HOWEVER the Xenon also has another trick up its sleeve over the RSX GPU. The Xenon features 10 Mb of Very Fast Cache memory on a daughter Die of the main GPU die. Effectively what this means is that the 360 GPU can access this small but crucially important 10Mb at very very high speed for cached 3d data. What this actually means is that the Xbox 360 is able to Produce 4x Anti Aliasing, Alpha Blending and Z-Buffering on the fly with no performance hit to the GPU or the GDDR3 Bandwidth it is using. This is something the RSX simply isnt capable of and one reason why the 360's GPU is arguably a more advanced piece of hardware.
Looking forward to Conan, i will more than likely be buying it for my 360 and plugging a keyboard in....But anyway, all the best and thanks for listening.
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Still I will be playing aoc on my PC. The way these games are meant to be played.
Another thing....the game will run beautiful on the Xbox 360. I'm planning on playing it on my PC, but for only one reason...because it's being release on PC first. My Xbox 360 is a tad bit more powerful than my PC (and I got a pretty decent PC also). Xbox 360 can have a Keyboard and a Mouse, so how is this bad? I hate people that think console gamers are a totally different breed. To me the PC gamers that hate consoles are just closed minded immature fools. I never hear any debate like this from the Xbox fans. Nuff said.
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BTW do you plan on adding a desk to your couch or just lugging your TV on top of your current work space?
Lets put it this way... studies done by the game industry show that console gamers do not like depthier deeper games. The majority want a quick fix. It actually shows that the majority of consoles gamers get bored with longer games and thus shorter games are in more demand. Mix this the current lack of UGC (user generated content) (which most leading rpg and fps developers admit is the future of gaming). Sadly, console developers will also by default make the game playable to the most common storage medium and controller device for that system. Meaning dvd-9 and a 8 button controller. Meaning games like oblivion, even though played with a keyboard are limited by the controller set up. They want to make the game the most accessable, there for they do not assume more people would every play with keyboard and mouse.
There for, the gaming approach is completely different with console games. They expect different target audiences, the dumbed down game is the king in this case, where the quick fix = more money to be made and more kids happy.
PC gaming right now is a completely different breed, and its dying a bit. Partially due to piracy, though consoles are seeing pirates in the buttloads now (haha..pirates..butts..lol..). The PS3 is the closes to an open ended system that would possibly have the least ammount of piracy.
What has and is hurting PS3 however at present is the versatility of Xbox Live with which it does not compete with at present and also the fact that because Sony were VERY late with there hardware to market they lost alot of the PS3's exclusive titles too also be published on Xbox 360.
Hideo Kojima himself has already stated that MGS4 is actually technically viable on the 360. Doesnt mean it will be a dual platform game it will more than likely be a PS3 exclusive, however the 360's hardware is capable if it was recoded to take advantages of its strengths and those are the words of the games developer.
Sorry for diverting the thread, i think if you take a look however at the recent release of Shadowrun and the collaberation between windows live and Xbox Live it gives us a very clear indication of where microsoft want to take advantage of the versatility of there Xbox 360 and Vista PC gaming platforms in the future. Conan's release will be very interesting because of the Direct X9 and Direct X 10 versions of the client, but i wouldnt be surprised to see certain servers where both platforms are connected.
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Its not about Supremecy, its about giving credit where credit is due. People are saying the PS3 cant run it, that only the 360 can. Thats bullox. That "big however" doesnt change the power of the PS3. Obviously you need developers to use that power, and the cell processing doesnt require harder code. ITs actually just as easy as developing games for the PS2. The only difference is it uses current code as well, code in which many programmers never bothered to keep up to date with. Its not hard to figure out either, so the "its too hard to code" excuse kinda flew out the window.
With the 360 those developers are limited to that dvd, where as with the ps3 those developers are faced with a much bigger storage medium. One that would allow them to put a game on the PS3 "easier" than spending days on end trying to compress the data enough to fit on a dvd. So for ambitious games its actually harder and more time consuming to squeeze the game onto a dvd (while compressing and getting rid of stuff) as compared to putting the uncompressed data on a blue ray drive.
Its all about looking at the bigger picture. Here read this article someone put together. It includes quotes and sources from many well known developers on what they think of the ps3. http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25597117&page=0
What has and is hurting PS3 however at present is the versatility of Xbox Live with which it does not compete with at present and also the fact that because Sony were VERY late with there hardware to market they lost alot of the PS3's exclusive titles too also be published on Xbox 360.
This is another misconception. The online capabilities of the PS3 are damn good and many features are being added with every update. In fact, the PS3 is more versatile due to its open console nature which allows users to modify, customize and create new features for the PS3. It runs freakin linux for crying out loud. The online network is strong, fast and FREE as compared to the 360 that charges. Sony wasnt late with their hardware, well.. they were dealing with immersion and a lawsuit at the time but so did microsoft before them. I would say that the 360 was early rather than sony being late. Why? because the 360 at its core is merely an upgraded xbox. The xbox was merely the prototype for the xbox 360 which is nearly the same thing just with upgraded hardware. The wii is still a 700mhz powered gamecube and the Ps3, dealing with new technology was pretty fast to get their system on the market. 1 year difference for a completely different product. Thats pretty damn good. The PS2 was also still the stop selling system, there was no rush.
I think you are confused about exclusives by the way. Exclusives cost money to stay exclusive. Meaning, if sony wanted to keep them exclusive, they could have. Only in this day and age, game developement costs are through the roof. Its far more profitable to have a game be multiplatform than exclusive. For those exclusives you see on the 360, they are there because microsoft is paying them to stay that way. Kinda like a bribe, thats how the exclusive system generally opperates. Sony decided it didnt need to pay to keep all its exclusives. IT has nothing to do with when the console was released or the product. Im suprised you didnt know that. You say lost, I say let go. Big difference.
Hideo Kojima himself has already stated that MGS4 is actually technically viable on the 360. Doesnt mean it will be a dual platform game it will more than likely be a PS3 exclusive, however the 360's hardware is capable if it was recoded to take advantages of its strengths and those are the words of the games developer.
Hideo Kokima said the blue ray disk is too small for MGS4. He also said " But like I said, MGS4 is aimed for the movie theatre, it's aimed for the PS3, so the game's scenario and graphics need this theatre-type hardware. It's when a producer has a game that can work on the "DVD level" that a game will go multiplatform" The 360 is a dvd to the ps3 as a movie theatre as he puts it. Clearly and artistically saying that "the 360 cannot handle MGS4 in any way" and that those multiplatform games have to run on a dvd level, giving up the ambition of the big screen effect.
Sorry for diverting the thread, i think if you take a look however at the recent release of Shadowrun and the collaberation between windows live and Xbox Live it gives us a very clear indication of where microsoft want to take advantage of the versatility of there Xbox 360 and Vista PC gaming platforms in the future. Conan's release will be very interesting because of the Direct X9 and Direct X 10 versions of the client, but i wouldnt be surprised to see certain servers where both platforms are connected.
Agreed it is interesting.
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BTW do you plan on adding a desk to your couch or just lugging your TV on top of your current work space?
I'm not going to be playing on my Xbox 360, my PC is good enough. Plus, I play my Xbox on my computer monitor. So no need for such adjustments. Of course Xbox fans have fights and start them, but who said any PC fan is better? We are all just a breed of gamers, that's all. I don't care what 'studies' say.
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LOL. Sorry to say bub, but you are wrong on all accounts. Do you usually talk out of your arse? You clearly have no idea about the differences between the PS3 and the 360, nor how the PS3 opporates. MGS4 is NOT coming out for the 360 btw champ. You should stop making sh*t up. Im no PS3 fanboy, but at least I have my facts straight.
""Moving on, I remind him of a comment he made last year comparing each of the three current consoles to "different kinds of dinner". Did he still think that was the case, now that all three are on the market? Nope. "They're more like a movie theatre metaphor", he says.
"The PS3 is like the theatre, it's a little bit high-priced but it has to be high quality as well. The 360 is a DVD, it still needs to be high quality but you need more variations, while the Wii is almost like a TV channel, because every game you have it with your family".
But like I said, MGS4 is aimed for the movie theatre, it's aimed for the PS3, so the game's scenario and graphics need this theatre-type hardware. It's when a producer has a game that can work on the 'DVD level' that a game will go multiplatform", he says. Sorry kids. Your "OMGMGS4360" banners will have to come out another day.Since we've opened up this can of worms, I may as well get his thoughts on it. Why, I ask, do you think this rumour simply refuses to go away? "Because 360 owners want it on 360, obviously", he quips."
-Hideo Kojima
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LOL. Sorry to say bub, but you are wrong on all accounts. Do you usually talk out of your arse? You clearly have no idea about the differences between the PS3 and the 360, nor how the PS3 opporates. MGS4 is NOT coming out for the 360 btw champ. You should stop making sh*t up. Im no PS3 fanboy, but at least I have my facts straight.
""Moving on, I remind him of a comment he made last year comparing each of the three current consoles to "different kinds of dinner". Did he still think that was the case, now that all three are on the market? Nope. "They're more like a movie theatre metaphor", he says.
"The PS3 is like the theatre, it's a little bit high-priced but it has to be high quality as well. The 360 is a DVD, it still needs to be high quality but you need more variations, while the Wii is almost like a TV channel, because every game you have it with your family".
But like I said, MGS4 is aimed for the movie theatre, it's aimed for the PS3, so the game's scenario and graphics need this theatre-type hardware. It's when a producer has a game that can work on the 'DVD level' that a game will go multiplatform", he says. Sorry kids. Your "OMGMGS4360" banners will have to come out another day.Since we've opened up this can of worms, I may as well get his thoughts on it. Why, I ask, do you think this rumour simply refuses to go away? "Because 360 owners want it on 360, obviously", he quips."
-Hideo Kojima
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Well you should go and do some research fanboi. The 360's GPU is far superior to the the PS3's, the PS3 has the equivilent to a GeForce 7800gtx series. Need i remind you that that type of card is or almost 2 years old, i should know i had two in my pc before getting an 8800. The 360 has an ATI Xenos which is a custom built card very similiar to the ATI HD2900XT which was recently released. The 360's GPU would benchmark the PS3's under the bloody table mate. The 360's memory and other componenets(not including CPU) are better and more efficient than what the PS3 has, fact. The Xbox's online service is far better than it's playstation counterpart aswell, it's tried and teasted and has a far bigger user base infact it's more than double the user base for PS3's online service. The only area the PS3 shine in is it's CPU i don't think i need to explain how much potential Cell has. It is difficult to code for though thats a fact, developer have been saying it for months. There aren't any games out that even utilise Dual-Core properly yet so what good is having 8 cores.
By the way it would be stupid in economic terms for kojima to not bring MGS4 to the 360, look at the amount of money he and his compnay would stand to make if they went multi-platmform. Sony has sold how many PS3's? around 1 million, MicroSoft has sold over 11 million 360's so there are more customers for Kojima on the 360. I think it was you that said that there wasn't enough room on Blu-Ray discs for MGS4, well thats probably bullshit consideering that a Blu-ray disc has a 50Gb capacity. DVD discs would probably not have enough room i agree but thats what multiple discs are for or they could utilise HD DVD on the 360.
Anyway my PC pisses all over the PS3.
lol ok genius, did you know it helps to read a post before you repond and quote it? If you were smart enough to read the post you would see where I clearly stated the 360 has a better gpu, but you dont realize that the processing power found in the PS3 has more of an impact with what the console can do via gameplay and yes, even graphics. Sorry kid but i own both consoles and I know what they are about. The PS3 is far more powerful a system than the 360 while the 360 has slightly better visuals.
You want to talk about PCs, thats fine. I also run a dual core rig with 4gigs of g.skill ram and a 8800gtx. I suppose its time to put that SLI to good use and get another 8800. Of course this winter the 9k series are coming out, and then you will have cheaper 8k series.
No one saying multiplatform games bring in less revinue. Its a simple fact that multiplatform usually equals more profit, the only time this changes is if one company buys out the exclusive rights for it OR the game is made using technology and abilities only one console has. Example, the Wiimote style of play. In the case of games like MGS4, and aparently FF, the PS3's blue ray disc space and cell processing power are needed. Kojima has already made it clear that only the PS3 can run his vision of the game. The only thing next gen about the 360 unfortunately is the GPU, however its merely an upgraded version of the first xbox. In which case the PS3 is a complete overhaul from the PS2. Also the 360 has been out for over a year and the PS3 is just getting started.
In fact, since you seem to think you know everything, let me remind you that the PS3 has just sold over a million units in Europe alone. This beats both the Ps1 and the Ps2 when they were released as well as the Wii and the 360. The PS3 within its first few months of release has out sold pretty much everything. Obviously you cannot compare a system that has been around for over a year to one thats just starting. You can only look at their respective launch dates. Its also safe to say that the Playstation franchise has consistantly followed a similar pattern. The ps1 and the ps2 where ridiculed for slow sales at first, but where are they now? they are some of the top selling consoles of all time. People laughed when the ps2 was using dvds and played movies, now where is it? games are still being made for it. Sony is consistant, and based off the exact same selling pattern, its stupid to say it will fail or lack the # of players when people said the same for its previous consoles and it turned out the exact opposite.
Btw champ, its a given that good PCs will beat the consoles. If your PC pisses on the ps3, then its also pissing on the 360. In this case my PC is probably pissing on your PC, which then turns this into one big gay pissfest. Saying your PC beats a console is like saying, "my car can go faster than your wheelchair". It just sounds stupid.
What are you talking about? The Wii sold more then the PS3 at launch, and who cares about EUROPE. hmm NO ONE.
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It wont ever be on the PS3. We can all agree on that. Not because the PS3 cannot run it, rather its microsofts play thing.
As for you my friend? saying that no one cares about europe means you are a bit nationalistic. No one cares about the wii either. No one cares about YOU.
Too much PS3 hate by people who know jack Sh!t.
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It wont ever be on the PS3. We can all agree on that. Not because the PS3 cannot run it, rather its microsofts play thing.
As for you my friend? saying that no one cares about europe means you are a bit nationalistic. No one cares about the wii either. No one cares about YOU.
Too much PS3 hate by people who know jack Sh!t.
Read fanboys read: http://www.wiichat.com/playstation-3/29230-fanboyism-what-good-absolutely-nothing.html You don't need fanboyism to hate the PS3. Anyone can tell Sony fucked up in a big way. Anyone who thinks its a wise investment either doesn't know their options, the current state of things, or are just blind.
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Still fanboyz off all types i guess ... ps im an old school rpger , have not cared for an rpg after xenogears and fft and valk profile.... Tho i have played alot ...
edit- to add that i understand that its coming out for x-box 360 and pc, not the ps3 (not like i care).I love how people still haven't realized that the xbox 360 does indeed have more power overall than the playstation 3. The ps3 processor may have more power on paper, however coding for it is a nightmare. It has 8 SPEs, one of which is disabled during manufacturing, and another which is dedicated to the OS strictly. This leaves six, single threaded, processor like pieces of hardware to handle games. The xbox 360 has a symetrical, three core processor, each core being multithreaded. So they are basically even, however the playstation three's cell is much more difficult to program for. Also, the graphics card in the xbox 360 with its daughter die and modified version of directx 9 blows the graphics card in the playstation 3 out of the water due to it's unified shader design. The playstation 3 is more a home entertainment media package than a gaming machine when compared to the xbox 360. So the console with the overall most power is also much easier to program for and needless to say, has better online support. I wish people would do some research, honestly.
You're discription of cell processing isn't really fair.
The PS3 has more processing power then the 360 could ever hope to have. The 360 is nothing more then a relatively high end pc and doesn't do anything out of the ordinary; it uses the same hardware you can put into your PC today, and most likely already have. The PS3 is using technology that won't be widely used in PC's for a little while yet. You can see evidence of it in Nvidias commercial 8800 gfx card, wich uses a form of cell processing. Graphically there is no dif. between what the 360 and the PS3 can do, and the PS3 is capable of doing thing outside of graphics that the 360 can't, as well as rendering faster then the 360 can from what I've seen.
Neither machine has a leg up as far as gaming goes, unless you consider that the 360 is easier to make games for, and it's easier because it's using tech that is already familliar to developers. Insiders have been saying this since these two systems were in developement, you will see no dif. in graphics between these two systems. What it will come down to is what titles become exlusive to what system. Arguing over wich system is better is silly. Just buy the one that has the games you want to play, or don't buy one at all.
Also DX will have nothing to do with whether or not you can play these two games on the same server. The graphics are client side, the 360 is DX capable, and it's already been stated that if they chose to it is possible to play cross platform. The problem they have is keeping gameplay balanced. PC users have an advantage with the mouse and keyboard over console users controller. If they can keep it balanced then expect to see cross platform gameplay. There was even an article on this site about that very issue.
I for one would love to play cross platform. Everyone I know has a 360 and it would be nice to be able to play a game with my friends and familly.
Console gamer, or PC gamer, we all have the same thing in common. We're GAMERS.
Wish Darkfall would release.
But seriously, the 360 is just an upgraded xbox. Im not talking about hardware brand (ati/nvidia), im talking about the unit as a whole and its capabilities. Like the guy above said, the 360 is merely a simplified PC, using the same stuff thats already been out. The PS3 is not the same at all in that regards.
Square sees it
Capcom sees it
now Konami is starting to see it
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It wont ever be on the PS3. We can all agree on that. Not because the PS3 cannot run it, rather its microsofts play thing.
As for you my friend? saying that no one cares about europe means you are a bit nationalistic. No one cares about the wii either. No one cares about YOU.
Too much PS3 hate by people who know jack Sh!t.
Read fanboys read: http://www.wiichat.com/playstation-3/29230-fanboyism-what-good-absolutely-nothing.htmlno you dont know nothing, because if the PS3 was so superior they would of sold as many consoles they have made so far in which they didnt nor did they sell more then the Wii. Wii 7.37million units PS3 3.6million units hmmmm i think ps3 is winning NOT!!! shut your mouth untill you know what your talking about. Just because you like the ps3 doesnt make it superiour in sales. The numbers show people of this world LOVE THE Wii not the PS3. And as for me being nationalistic ya damn right i am. WHO CARES ABOUT EUROPE.... Not americans, not the video game industry. Europe will always be third place in anything and everything. Because they get there money from Americans PERIOD, thats why EUROPE is treated like LOWER CLASS with MMO treatment. SUCK IT UP and take it in. It burns don't it. and alsow 7.37 MILLION PEOPLE cared about the wii, cant say the same for the PSUCKZOR3
Can somebody delete this thread, AoC is NOT coming out on ps3, its misleading the teeming millions.
Go make a platform war somewhere else. considering cost and all 360 is easily the best platform hands down, but i'm getting a pc simply because its too long till the 360 release of aoc.
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By your name on your email address you are from Scottish descent i would say, If the TX stands for texas on your profile then the south was where alot of the first british settelments were in the USA. By the way Europe has a population of over 600 million people and the US has between 3 and 400 miilion people. So who has the bigger customer base?... Europe, The reason we don't get the same service is because of all the different languages. I would say however that because the UK and US have much more in common with each other than the reast of Europe, we do share a language after all. This being the case the UK atleast should get the same service given to the US.
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