Ironically, I think people are returning. I think an equally if not more appropriate topic would be, "Why people are returning (no lies either)."
Not equally or more appropriate.
You're always going to have new subscribers, returning subscribers and canceled subscribers. There's more cancellations than anything else though, so discussing cancellation is most appropriate when commenting on the majority.
Vanguard is an excellent game and is for hardcore and non-hardcore players. It is for those that love to group for those that love to solo. Tons of quests, and great graphics. You can be a pure Crafter, pure Adventurer or even a pure Diplomat if you so desire. Diplomats are use a card gaming system btw. If you are bored with your old games you really need to go to this one, don't wait for a free trial. large amount of playable classes and races.
I have to say that this post almost made me puke. This is the most disgusting Viral marketing I have ever heard about this game. Unless this is sarcasm you had best get back into your Sigil/SOE cubicle. I heard Brad yelling for coffee...get it done.
.....Unless of course this is sarcasm. if it is...well you got me hook, line and sinker.
Never be afraid of choices. More choices are always good things.
I don't think people are leaving. But I don't think it's growing right now either. The population has spread out over the world and the dispersion results in less people in any given zone. However, our guild is growing and my 50+ person friend list that I started building during the first day of pre-launch is still very active.
In addition, I think the majority of players of fairly casual like me. An hour here, an hour there, skip a few days and return. This also results in the perception of looking at your guild list and seeing only 10 or so on at a time. But if I look and see who's been on in the past 1-2 days, it's 40 people.
Now, all that said... the past week has been very active on Shirdeth. You know the /who command right? ... maxes at 40 for a zone. Well, last night CIS maxed, Angram maxed, Khal maxed, Southwatch maxed and New Targonor even had 29 peeps in it. Also, the channels I autojoin have been very lively lately.... diplomancy, Mindsay, our guild Alliance channel and I have to turn off Regionsay again because of the constant chat scroll.
It's all anecdotal. But the population shows now indication of declining, just spreading out. But I do agree that it's not growing much either. And as I said, it's a fairly casual player base that plays an hour here, two there etc.
Still loving the game, 41st here and it just gets better.
My armour looks so lush
Can't wait for 50th and can't wait to start my next toon, Qalia this time as I have mainly stuck to Thestra on my 41st toon.
Now playing: VG (after a long break from MMORPGS) Played for more than a month: Darkfall online, Vanguard SOH, Everquest, Horizons, WoW, SWG, Everquest II, Eve
I spent all last night and some of this morning looking around the .net and seeing what people where dissing Vanguard about...and its obvious and the reason that this game is considered to be 'dying' Its because the game is for hardcore players only and not for the everyday player...Because, and yes im using WoW as comparison, if you play WoW and get to level 30 then you feel happy because your halfway through the game...yet, in the same amount of time, I have just gotten to level 11 in Vanguard and yet I feel even better about it because of the dedication and how good of a player you really are. The people who are bashing Vanguard for LOTRO and WoW dont want a challenge. They want to go in, play a couple hours, and then be on top with all of the other 'hardcore n00bs' thinking they are great and all....Either that or they are people who can only play an hour or less a day and, again, want to be on top with everyone else instead of working their way up.
This results in our Vanguard boards getting filled with 'Vanguard Sucks' and 'Sorry Brad' threads....I also found something else interesting...Have you (and Im talking to my hardcore brothers here) ever noticed that in WoW you run into a majority of players with bad attitudes that steal loot and that you just cant stand? Now, take that, and look in your time with vangaurd....everyone that i have met have been awsome. They quest with you, grind with you, help you out item wise if they are a higher level and do whatever they can to be friendly. That my friends is what makes a good MMO and what makes my time with an online game worth the $15 i pay every month My point: Its impossible to fake yourself in Vanguard...either your hardcore or your not...yet in WoW and LOTRO you can be considered '1337' for less than a week of total play (and maybe even less)....That and the community is the best out there, you will find no better (in-game)
Prove me wrong and I will gladly praise your game of choice...because you know what? I'm not wrong, and anyone who has played knows that
Hard core?
I am so tired of name-calling and taggng of folks that play any of these games on this forum.
Who care a bucket of spit if you're hard-core or not. It's a cartoon for the love of reality!
LOL,
All I want is the truth Just gimme some truth John Lennon
I left Vanguard because it did not deliver all the things they had promised and all the things that made me interested in it. It was fun the first 10 levels and felt great and interesting. But after that iy started to feel a bit like DnL *shrugs* but don't get me wrong Vanguard is light years from being the horror game DnL was/is/I don't give a hell what state it's in. Vanguard had a bit of the same feeling, empty, unfinished not put together. The performance got better but not good enough. And frankly some times the graphics could be mind blowing and other times just plain ugly. And that shit that a mmorpg is never finished and you can't judge it at release and jada jada. Yes you can judge is because it's just as inportant that it's fun from level 1 to 35, or mid level to cap or the end game. But the biggest problem was that the game stopped being fun after a while. The big world started to feel meaningless and just boring, it was not exciting nothing to motivate you to explore more. Because for me it started to feel like a grinding fest with some few quests here and there. And it takes more then new cool loot to motivate me to play a game. I want to have fun. I expected some new innovative and fun game experience. The crafting system was ok, but the diplomacy just felt like a endless grind too. To call your game 3rd generation takes a hell of a lot more then what Vanguard have delivered. And maybe it will get better but I don't want to sit around and wait for better days. I so wanted Vanguard to be fun and something that I would play for several years in the future....guess not.
Ironically, I think people are returning. I think an equally if not more appropriate topic would be, "Why people are returning (no lies either)."
Not equally or more appropriate.
You're always going to have new subscribers, returning subscribers and canceled subscribers. There's more cancellations than anything else though, so discussing cancellation is most appropriate when commenting on the majority.How do you know there are "more cancellations than anything"? I love it when people state things as fact, with nothing to back it up. And no... one is not more relevent than the other.
Ironically, I think people are returning. I think an equally if not more appropriate topic would be, "Why people are returning (no lies either)."
Not equally or more appropriate.
You're always going to have new subscribers, returning subscribers and canceled subscribers. There's more cancellations than anything else though, so discussing cancellation is most appropriate when commenting on the majority.How do you know there are "more cancellations than anything"? I love it when people state things as fact, with nothing to back it up. And no... one is not more relevent than the other.
Of course no one knows for sure but do you really think subs are increasing? Not trying to bash you but just asking for your best guess. In your opinion are subs increasing or descreasing?
Id like to start off with saying that if you are indeed level 11 you know nothing about the game. Reall you don't you probably havent explored the starting content on each of the three continents if you did you would find 2/3 have flowing quests allowing you to level well. You also havent seen the complete disappearance of any quests at all at around 30 the horrible gear from the 30 + instances or the fact that some "raid" gear requires hours and hours of farming item drops and getting rep. TENS OF THOUSANDS thats how much rep you need and if you have an evil character lube up and bend over cause your even more fucked. the quests give about 100 rep and the mobs give 1- 3 have fun hard core players but count me out
didn't bother reading the rest of the posts after the first one because its pretty maddening. A great instance group in Wow sucks
compared to a decent group in Vanguard but that is only because the normal person CANT play vanguard. I and a lot of other people are
looking for fun in a video game. Long leveling with huge gaps in quests to do said leveling is in no way fun. I made it level 33 in vanguard
which at the time was actually "end game" because i traveled to all the appropriate level zones and found nothing to do. That means that
because of Vanguard Shit poor quality i would have to grind form 33 to 50 NO THANKS. Another reason vanguard isn't fun is because half the time you cant play at all because of the bugs which are worse than any game i have ever seen. People talk of loot lag and server
crashes on wow HAH! how about dieing 10 times, having your gear smashed to pieces and losing large chunks of your xp that the gms wont give back just because the floor of the dungeon is full of invisible holes. My game of choice is dun dun dun None. I havent found a fun MMO yet though i still play Lotro becaus my 30 days hasnt ended though just to play music.
BTW a game of only hardcore players is a dieing game.
your also very much exagerating the community in vg a level 11 knows jack about all the ass holes out there they are worse because they really are good and act like dicks.
if you have the time it takes to be hard core you are a loser there is nothing to be gained from a video game and you cant have a social life and be hard core i finally made it out of the addiction and it feels good to have time for other things hard core = social loser
Id like to start off with saying that if you are indeed level 11 you know nothing about the game. Reall you don't you probably havent explored the starting content on each of the three continents if you did you would find 2/3 have flowing quests allowing you to level well. You also havent seen the complete disappearance of any quests at all at around 30 the horrible gear from the 30 + instances or the fact that some "raid" gear requires hours and hours of farming item drops and getting rep. TENS OF THOUSANDS thats how much rep you need and if you have an evil character lube up and bend over cause your even more fucked. the quests give about 100 rep and the mobs give 1- 3 have fun hard core players but count me out
didn't bother reading the rest of the posts after the first one because its pretty maddening. A great instance group in Wow sucks
compared to a decent group in Vanguard but that is only because the normal person CANT play vanguard. I and a lot of other people are
looking for fun in a video game. Long leveling with huge gaps in quests to do said leveling is in no way fun. I made it level 33 in vanguard
which at the time was actually "end game" because i traveled to all the appropriate level zones and found nothing to do. That means that
because of Vanguard Shit poor quality i would have to grind form 33 to 50 NO THANKS. Another reason vanguard isn't fun is because half the time you cant play at all because of the bugs which are worse than any game i have ever seen. People talk of loot lag and server
crashes on wow HAH! how about dieing 10 times, having your gear smashed to pieces and losing large chunks of your xp that the gms wont give back just because the floor of the dungeon is full of invisible holes. My game of choice is dun dun dun None. I havent found a fun MMO yet though i still play Lotro becaus my 30 days hasnt ended though just to play music.
BTW a game of only hardcore players is a dieing game.
your also very much exagerating the community in vg a level 11 knows jack about all the ass holes out there they are worse because they really are good and act like dicks.
if you have the time it takes to be hard core you are a loser there is nothing to be gained from a video game and you cant have a social life and be hard core i finally made it out of the addiction and it feels good to have time for other things hard core = social loser
Just wondering...are you for or against Vanguard Can't really tell with your abstract design. Maybe you should make a list or something, or at least clear up your posting style.
i played for about 10 days, it was too laggy for me in the cities (hardware lag) and the avatars weren't fap worthy
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You? if I were to kill a titan tomorrow and no CCP employees showed up to say grats I would petition it. Waiting for: the next MMO that lets me make this macro if hp < 30 then CastSpell("heal") SpellTargetUnit("player") else CastSpell("smite") end
Ironically, I think people are returning. I think an equally if not more appropriate topic would be, "Why people are returning (no lies either)."
Not equally or more appropriate.
You're always going to have new subscribers, returning subscribers and canceled subscribers. There's more cancellations than anything else though, so discussing cancellation is most appropriate when commenting on the majority.How do you know there are "more cancellations than anything"? I love it when people state things as fact, with nothing to back it up. And no... one is not more relevent than the other.
Of course no one knows for sure but do you really think subs are increasing? Not trying to bash you but just asking for your best guess. In your opinion are subs increasing or descreasing?I'd say they are on a very slow incline. Nothing near what Sigil hoped, but the game has players, and it's to new for people to still not be curious.
I spent all last night and some of this morning looking around the .net and seeing what people where dissing Vanguard about...and its obvious and the reason that this game is considered to be 'dying' Its because the game is for hardcore players only and not for the everyday player...Because, and yes im using WoW as comparison, if you play WoW and get to level 30 then you feel happy because your halfway through the game...yet, in the same amount of time, I have just gotten to level 11 in Vanguard and yet I feel even better about it because of the dedication and how good of a player you really are. The people who are bashing Vanguard for LOTRO and WoW dont want a challenge. They want to go in, play a couple hours, and then be on top with all of the other 'hardcore n00bs' thinking they are great and all.
Either your completely stupid or just another egoistic nolife teen with nothing constructive to say.
PEOPLE PLAY GAMES FOR THE FUN FACTOR NOT FOR THE JOB FACTOR! if you play games for the sole reason for being "great" in it by measuring the time spent, you have a serious problem, it's called ADDICTION, yes it's a disease, you should seek help!
Ironically, I think people are returning. I think an equally if not more appropriate topic would be, "Why people are returning (no lies either)."
Not equally or more appropriate.
You're always going to have new subscribers, returning subscribers and canceled subscribers. There's more cancellations than anything else though, so discussing cancellation is most appropriate when commenting on the majority.How do you know there are "more cancellations than anything"? I love it when people state things as fact, with nothing to back it up. And no... one is not more relevent than the other. Well lets see, in Brad's most recent wall of text, he stated that Vanguard was a "year off" from his original projected goal of reaching 500k subscribers. Assuming Sigil would actually get that, and account growth was steady it's first two years of life, then Sigil would be on their way towards 250k subscribers by the end of the year, instead of the wishful 500k.
Sigil said in the past that they could thrive off 250k subscribers, so the fact that they're entering a new subservient deal with Sony tells me more than likely there isn't any steady growth that'd lead towards numbers such as 250k subscribers. If there were a steady growth in accounts, then there'd be no reason for Sigil to be doing what they are.
Exactly what other kind of forecast could there have been for Sigil except a majority of their 200k+ boxes sold, trial keys and whatever else ending up in cancellations?
You go on and believe there's more new subscribers and re-subscribers than cancellations if you want, but I prefer to dabble in the clear reality of things. What you're insinuating is a healthy "churn", which would leave no reason for Sigil to be selling their company or to still be suffering financial problems.
- complications when crafting. And *only* the complications.
- boring contested "pseudo" instances. Make them real instances
- extremely bad performance when in full groups
- jittering and noisy screen. The many fine details ingame without any antialiasing give me a headache literally.
- pet bug since release
If Sigil and SoE cooperate more in futuer i hope they got the idea that this game needs his own engine. And a *massive* overhaul. Thinking people will sooner or late upgrade hardware will break their neck a second time.
I am not sure who stated it but they said that "Vanguard is designed for a hardcore gamer."
It is this assumption that many Vanguard-haters want you to believe; they will literally assert anything because they hate the game. I think they are not able to emotionally get-over Vanguard's very poor release. The game currently (today) has come a remarkable way.
I have found that it is easier (and much more enjoyable) to solo in Vanguard than it was in WoW. For example, in Vanguard you have many options for both solo and group content. I will focus on solo content. You can complete advanced and complex solo Quests, tasks, and missives. Missives are repeatable tasks that are apart of the game's lore (usually to a specific region in the game) and are meaningful and fun. Further, when you complete a missive, you accumulate missive notes (remember: these are solo tasks) in which you can exchanged for high-quality gear. The missive gives you a solo task to complete in which you acquire both experience and money. When you complete the missive, you receive a missive note in which you can exchange for awesome gear. It works great for ME (and many others). You are able to accomplish something meaningful and fun in a short amount of time as well.
In Vanguard the soloist is not only respected but the world is in many ways the best game on the market for the soloist. I have found Vanguard to be the most solo-friendly (respected) game that I have played in 8 years of MMORPGs.
The reason why I left the game is because I started to get annoyed with the character animations. Yes, I'm serious
With all the competition out there, I'm not surprised something that might seem insignificant, like animations, would cause player to quit Vanguard for something else.
I loved Vanguard, but things like animations, lack of roleplaying features, a rigid gameplay systems, etc. all added up and made me try LotRO. I've played UO, EQ, DAoC, SWG, FFXI, and many other mmos t hat could be considered hardcore. I enjoyed them because they were relatively well made mmorpgs. Vanguard feels way too incomplete and lacking to me, and that is why I left. It had nothing to do with the hardcore nature of the game, that actually was an attractive feature of the game to me.
I am getting enough of a challenge in LotRO and it is a good, fun mmo, with a fine community of players. In this particular case (and I am very surprised by this) Turbine > Sigil.
I am not sure who stated it but they said that "Vanguard is designed for a hardcore gamer."
Hard to say who came up with that notion , but Brad has used the term ' Core' gamer as one of the targeted player base as an example. He also stated that the game was going to be harder to play versus let us say games like WOW and EQ II. That has harsher death penalties and longer travel and such. Either he was putting a spin on the word Core to mean Hard Core or that the fans on the VG site assumed it was going to be really hardcore since the game was supposed to be harder and harsher on the average player.
I spent all last night and some of this morning looking around the .net and seeing what people where dissing Vanguard about...and its obvious and the reason that this game is considered to be 'dying' Its because the game is for hardcore players only and not for the everyday player...Because, and yes im using WoW as comparison, if you play WoW and get to level 30 then you feel happy because your halfway through the game...yet, in the same amount of time, I have just gotten to level 11 in Vanguard and yet I feel even better about it because of the dedication and how good of a player you really are. The people who are bashing Vanguard for LOTRO and WoW dont want a challenge. They want to go in, play a couple hours, and then be on top with all of the other 'hardcore n00bs' thinking they are great and all....Either that or they are people who can only play an hour or less a day and, again, want to be on top with everyone else instead of working their way up.
This results in our Vanguard boards getting filled with 'Vanguard Sucks' and 'Sorry Brad' threads....I also found something else interesting...Have you (and Im talking to my hardcore brothers here) ever noticed that in WoW you run into a majority of players with bad attitudes that steal loot and that you just cant stand? Now, take that, and look in your time with vangaurd....everyone that i have met have been awsome. They quest with you, grind with you, help you out item wise if they are a higher level and do whatever they can to be friendly. That my friends is what makes a good MMO and what makes my time with an online game worth the $15 i pay every month My point: Its impossible to fake yourself in Vanguard...either your hardcore or your not...yet in WoW and LOTRO you can be considered '1337' for less than a week of total play (and maybe even less)....That and the community is the best out there, you will find no better (in-game)
Prove me wrong and I will gladly praise your game of choice...because you know what? I'm not wrong, and anyone who has played knows that
You're playing a MMORPG not a FPS, RTS etc......there is no skill involved. Stop saying you're "pro" or "hardcore" because you have nothing better in your life than spending 18 hours a day on a game.
Since when do you become "1337" on WoW after playing for a week?.. Have you even played WoW seriously? It requires months of raiding, or did anyway before TBC, before you get to the top in terms of gear.
Vanguard is "dying" because it's released in a stage which you could barely call Beta, only retards would pay a monthly fee to play that. And if a game asks for more time than WoW, you know right away that it's asking you to throw your life away, which proves right there why Vanguard is a worse game.
I love how people try to paint Vanguard as some HARDCORE game... when in reality it has some of the easiest and least challenging combat in any MMO ever. I've solo'd "large group mobs" 4-5 levels above me... without getting hit once. I was never able to do anything close to that in WoW. Vanguard is WoW, with less content and polish, on easy mode in slow motion. The reasons I left were (in this order):
1) No meaningful content. No encounters worth fighting.
2) Boring combat (both visually and tactically)
3) Complete lack of customer service and utter disregard for customers.
4) No meaningful character customization.
5) Bugs, bugs and more bugs.
The community is generally very good, I'll give you that. It's the only reason I stuck around as long as I did. But ultimately.. community cannot overcome a poorly made game.
I left because the game just wasn't fun. First of all it's missing polish, it's missing players, why play a game that doesn't even haev raid content either? This game is just not even close to done and the code isn't optomized which is mainly why it runs like crap on 90% of the computers out there. It will die unless something is done to dratiscally affect that path or destiny.
1) No Epic Story Arc to pull you into the Lore (Some Nice 1-2 min CG Movies explaining the plots of each dungeon would be nice), right now there is no reason to do dungeons once you get good gear, there needs to be another reason to do them, a good story that is entertaiing would be nice, and maybe some other loot reward besides weapons and armor...
2) Money Duping is ruining the economy
3) Loot gear being better then anything crafters can make of the same level and in some cases Loot Rare Gear being better then Crafted Heroic Gear (which IMO makes being a weaponsmith or armorsmith worthless)
4) Combat system is boring, how about some physics and gore to spice it up....
5) Lack of being able to customize stuff, it would be nice if there were more then one type of armor to make for each continent, not to mention the ability to color armor and gear instead of everything being one default color... For weaponsmith it would be nice to be able to add different custom handles and blades to the various weapons to make them look more unique...
Right now the overall game feels very bland.... especially when you hit lvl 50 in adventuring...
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You're always going to have new subscribers, returning subscribers and canceled subscribers. There's more cancellations than anything else though, so discussing cancellation is most appropriate when commenting on the majority.
I have to say that this post almost made me puke. This is the most disgusting Viral marketing I have ever heard about this game. Unless this is sarcasm you had best get back into your Sigil/SOE cubicle. I heard Brad yelling for coffee...get it done.
.....Unless of course this is sarcasm. if it is...well you got me hook, line and sinker.
Never be afraid of choices. More choices are always good things.
I don't think people are leaving. But I don't think it's growing right now either. The population has spread out over the world and the dispersion results in less people in any given zone. However, our guild is growing and my 50+ person friend list that I started building during the first day of pre-launch is still very active.
In addition, I think the majority of players of fairly casual like me. An hour here, an hour there, skip a few days and return. This also results in the perception of looking at your guild list and seeing only 10 or so on at a time. But if I look and see who's been on in the past 1-2 days, it's 40 people.
Now, all that said... the past week has been very active on Shirdeth. You know the /who command right? ... maxes at 40 for a zone. Well, last night CIS maxed, Angram maxed, Khal maxed, Southwatch maxed and New Targonor even had 29 peeps in it. Also, the channels I autojoin have been very lively lately.... diplomancy, Mindsay, our guild Alliance channel and I have to turn off Regionsay again because of the constant chat scroll.
It's all anecdotal. But the population shows now indication of declining, just spreading out. But I do agree that it's not growing much either. And as I said, it's a fairly casual player base that plays an hour here, two there etc.
Well say wat u will.. I for one think the game is the best. Yes it has bugs, but dont they all.
I hope to see this game for a long time.
Still loving the game, 41st here and it just gets better.
My armour looks so lush
Can't wait for 50th and can't wait to start my next toon, Qalia this time as I have mainly stuck to Thestra on my 41st toon.
Now playing: VG (after a long break from MMORPGS)
Played for more than a month: Darkfall online, Vanguard SOH, Everquest, Horizons, WoW, SWG, Everquest II, Eve
I am so tired of name-calling and taggng of folks that play any of these games on this forum.
Who care a bucket of spit if you're hard-core or not. It's a cartoon for the love of reality!
LOL,
All I want is the truth
Just gimme some truth
John Lennon
I left Vanguard because it did not deliver all the things they had promised and all the things that made me interested in it. It was fun the first 10 levels and felt great and interesting. But after that iy started to feel a bit like DnL *shrugs* but don't get me wrong Vanguard is light years from being the horror game DnL was/is/I don't give a hell what state it's in. Vanguard had a bit of the same feeling, empty, unfinished not put together. The performance got better but not good enough. And frankly some times the graphics could be mind blowing and other times just plain ugly. And that shit that a mmorpg is never finished and you can't judge it at release and jada jada. Yes you can judge is because it's just as inportant that it's fun from level 1 to 35, or mid level to cap or the end game.
But the biggest problem was that the game stopped being fun after a while. The big world started to feel meaningless and just boring, it was not exciting nothing to motivate you to explore more. Because for me it started to feel like a grinding fest with some few quests here and there. And it takes more then new cool loot to motivate me to play a game. I want to have fun.
I expected some new innovative and fun game experience. The crafting system was ok, but the diplomacy just felt like a endless grind too. To call your game 3rd generation takes a hell of a lot more then what Vanguard have delivered. And maybe it will get better but I don't want to sit around and wait for better days. I so wanted Vanguard to be fun and something that I would play for several years in the future....guess not.
You're always going to have new subscribers, returning subscribers and canceled subscribers. There's more cancellations than anything else though, so discussing cancellation is most appropriate when commenting on the majority.How do you know there are "more cancellations than anything"? I love it when people state things as fact, with nothing to back it up. And no... one is not more relevent than the other.
You're always going to have new subscribers, returning subscribers and canceled subscribers. There's more cancellations than anything else though, so discussing cancellation is most appropriate when commenting on the majority.How do you know there are "more cancellations than anything"? I love it when people state things as fact, with nothing to back it up. And no... one is not more relevent than the other.
Of course no one knows for sure but do you really think subs are increasing? Not trying to bash you but just asking for your best guess. In your opinion are subs increasing or descreasing?
didn't bother reading the rest of the posts after the first one because its pretty maddening. A great instance group in Wow sucks
compared to a decent group in Vanguard but that is only because the normal person CANT play vanguard. I and a lot of other people are
looking for fun in a video game. Long leveling with huge gaps in quests to do said leveling is in no way fun. I made it level 33 in vanguard
which at the time was actually "end game" because i traveled to all the appropriate level zones and found nothing to do. That means that
because of Vanguard Shit poor quality i would have to grind form 33 to 50 NO THANKS. Another reason vanguard isn't fun is because half the time you cant play at all because of the bugs which are worse than any game i have ever seen. People talk of loot lag and server
crashes on wow HAH! how about dieing 10 times, having your gear smashed to pieces and losing large chunks of your xp that the gms wont give back just because the floor of the dungeon is full of invisible holes. My game of choice is dun dun dun None. I havent found a fun MMO yet though i still play Lotro becaus my 30 days hasnt ended though just to play music.
BTW a game of only hardcore players is a dieing game.
your also very much exagerating the community in vg a level 11 knows jack about all the ass holes out there they are worse because they really are good and act like dicks.
if you have the time it takes to be hard core you are a loser there is nothing to be gained from a video game and you cant have a social life and be hard core i finally made it out of the addiction and it feels good to have time for other things hard core = social loser
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
if I were to kill a titan tomorrow and no CCP employees showed up to say grats I would petition it.
Waiting for: the next MMO that lets me make this macro
if hp < 30 then CastSpell("heal") SpellTargetUnit("player") else CastSpell("smite") end
You're always going to have new subscribers, returning subscribers and canceled subscribers. There's more cancellations than anything else though, so discussing cancellation is most appropriate when commenting on the majority.How do you know there are "more cancellations than anything"? I love it when people state things as fact, with nothing to back it up. And no... one is not more relevent than the other.
Of course no one knows for sure but do you really think subs are increasing? Not trying to bash you but just asking for your best guess. In your opinion are subs increasing or descreasing?I'd say they are on a very slow incline. Nothing near what Sigil hoped, but the game has players, and it's to new for people to still not be curious.
PEOPLE PLAY GAMES FOR THE FUN FACTOR NOT FOR THE JOB FACTOR! if you play games for the sole reason for being "great" in it by measuring the time spent, you have a serious problem, it's called ADDICTION, yes it's a disease, you should seek help!
You're always going to have new subscribers, returning subscribers and canceled subscribers. There's more cancellations than anything else though, so discussing cancellation is most appropriate when commenting on the majority.How do you know there are "more cancellations than anything"? I love it when people state things as fact, with nothing to back it up. And no... one is not more relevent than the other. Well lets see, in Brad's most recent wall of text, he stated that Vanguard was a "year off" from his original projected goal of reaching 500k subscribers. Assuming Sigil would actually get that, and account growth was steady it's first two years of life, then Sigil would be on their way towards 250k subscribers by the end of the year, instead of the wishful 500k.
Sigil said in the past that they could thrive off 250k subscribers, so the fact that they're entering a new subservient deal with Sony tells me more than likely there isn't any steady growth that'd lead towards numbers such as 250k subscribers. If there were a steady growth in accounts, then there'd be no reason for Sigil to be doing what they are.
Exactly what other kind of forecast could there have been for Sigil except a majority of their 200k+ boxes sold, trial keys and whatever else ending up in cancellations?
You go on and believe there's more new subscribers and re-subscribers than cancellations if you want, but I prefer to dabble in the clear reality of things. What you're insinuating is a healthy "churn", which would leave no reason for Sigil to be selling their company or to still be suffering financial problems.
I am not playing because:
- complications when crafting. And *only* the complications.
- boring contested "pseudo" instances. Make them real instances
- extremely bad performance when in full groups
- jittering and noisy screen. The many fine details ingame without any antialiasing give me a headache literally.
- pet bug since release
If Sigil and SoE cooperate more in futuer i hope they got the idea that this game needs his own engine. And a *massive* overhaul. Thinking people will sooner or late upgrade hardware will break their neck a second time.
It is this assumption that many Vanguard-haters want you to believe; they will literally assert anything because they hate the game. I think they are not able to emotionally get-over Vanguard's very poor release. The game currently (today) has come a remarkable way.
I have found that it is easier (and much more enjoyable) to solo in Vanguard than it was in WoW. For example, in Vanguard you have many options for both solo and group content. I will focus on solo content. You can complete advanced and complex solo Quests, tasks, and missives. Missives are repeatable tasks that are apart of the game's lore (usually to a specific region in the game) and are meaningful and fun. Further, when you complete a missive, you accumulate missive notes (remember: these are solo tasks) in which you can exchanged for high-quality gear. The missive gives you a solo task to complete in which you acquire both experience and money. When you complete the missive, you receive a missive note in which you can exchange for awesome gear. It works great for ME (and many others). You are able to accomplish something meaningful and fun in a short amount of time as well.
In Vanguard the soloist is not only respected but the world is in many ways the best game on the market for the soloist. I have found Vanguard to be the most solo-friendly (respected) game that I have played in 8 years of MMORPGs.
With all the competition out there, I'm not surprised something that might seem insignificant, like animations, would cause player to quit Vanguard for something else.
I loved Vanguard, but things like animations, lack of roleplaying features, a rigid gameplay systems, etc. all added up and made me try LotRO. I've played UO, EQ, DAoC, SWG, FFXI, and many other mmos t hat could be considered hardcore. I enjoyed them because they were relatively well made mmorpgs. Vanguard feels way too incomplete and lacking to me, and that is why I left. It had nothing to do with the hardcore nature of the game, that actually was an attractive feature of the game to me.
I am getting enough of a challenge in LotRO and it is a good, fun mmo, with a fine community of players. In this particular case (and I am very surprised by this) Turbine > Sigil.
You're playing a MMORPG not a FPS, RTS etc......there is no skill involved. Stop saying you're "pro" or "hardcore" because you have nothing better in your life than spending 18 hours a day on a game.
Since when do you become "1337" on WoW after playing for a week?.. Have you even played WoW seriously? It requires months of raiding, or did anyway before TBC, before you get to the top in terms of gear.
Vanguard is "dying" because it's released in a stage which you could barely call Beta, only retards would pay a monthly fee to play that. And if a game asks for more time than WoW, you know right away that it's asking you to throw your life away, which proves right there why Vanguard is a worse game.
nicely put manFUNCOM - putting the FUN in disFUNctional !
I love how people try to paint Vanguard as some HARDCORE game... when in reality it has some of the easiest and least challenging combat in any MMO ever. I've solo'd "large group mobs" 4-5 levels above me... without getting hit once. I was never able to do anything close to that in WoW. Vanguard is WoW, with less content and polish, on easy mode in slow motion. The reasons I left were (in this order):
1) No meaningful content. No encounters worth fighting.
2) Boring combat (both visually and tactically)
3) Complete lack of customer service and utter disregard for customers.
4) No meaningful character customization.
5) Bugs, bugs and more bugs.
The community is generally very good, I'll give you that. It's the only reason I stuck around as long as I did. But ultimately.. community cannot overcome a poorly made game.
Sums it up right there.
When a GAME developer's GAME designer, (SOE included) can't produce something fun, the game will fail.
Grinding, PvP afterthought, imbalance, boringness, and bugs is not fun.
Whenever Game Designers figure this out and use "gasp" their creative side, I will be there.
p.s. I didn't leave, I never joined and won't. As a "hardcore" gamer I can spot the lack of fun a mile away.
My entertainment dollar and time is not worth this game.
If I leave these would be the reasons...
1) No Epic Story Arc to pull you into the Lore (Some Nice 1-2 min CG Movies explaining the plots of each dungeon would be nice), right now there is no reason to do dungeons once you get good gear, there needs to be another reason to do them, a good story that is entertaiing would be nice, and maybe some other loot reward besides weapons and armor...
2) Money Duping is ruining the economy
3) Loot gear being better then anything crafters can make of the same level and in some cases Loot Rare Gear being better then Crafted Heroic Gear (which IMO makes being a weaponsmith or armorsmith worthless)
4) Combat system is boring, how about some physics and gore to spice it up....
5) Lack of being able to customize stuff, it would be nice if there were more then one type of armor to make for each continent, not to mention the ability to color armor and gear instead of everything being one default color... For weaponsmith it would be nice to be able to add different custom handles and blades to the various weapons to make them look more unique...
Right now the overall game feels very bland.... especially when you hit lvl 50 in adventuring...