O well, bring on the dissapointment then idc. I just love the crafting/harvesting/adventuring aspect and that they all contribute eachother. And make you level faster in a way, while making it a more enjoyable game.
The Vanguard community needs to find someone, anyone, who can post the benefits of the game without resorting to "your video card sucks" or "WoW blows" comments. There seem to be a group of fans of the game (I refuse to use the term "fanboi") who are trying to win people over, but they lack both the eloquence and posting skills to drive their point home in a constructive and anti-flammatory fashion.
Sadly, OP, your post does not make me any more interested in trying Vanguard again. Post again when a demo of the game comes out so people can go back and try for free, as at least then they can experience the game through their eyes, not yours.
From my point of view, not everyone can have latest up to date graphic cards. Meaning Vanguard which requires high system req and graphic req. ISNT for everyone. My system is only year old, which i spent about 2kish dollars. My system can barely handle vanguard.
I played it in beta and little after. I have heard game has improved a lot. But i dont feel like im missing out on anything.
I believe that Vanguard is ever getting improved all the time due to lack of it's quality to begin with. It's not for everyone due to the system req to play is above the current avg. system most game players have atm. Looking at percentage, the amount of people that can handle vanguard is few compared to whole pool of game players. Other games provide good graphic/game play, less bugs at lower system req. I played LOTR in beta and that was many times better than vanguard when it was in beta.
In the end, it comes down to players. What they like, most important aspect is game play it self. I liked trade skills vanguard. But again there are aspect that arent suitable for every game player due to harsher game play than most 'easy mode' games now a days.
So, i would say that Vanguard isnt for everyone. Im hardcore EQ1 player, played it for over 5 years. And im not sure if i will play Vanguard again. It didnt live up to its expectation and I dont feel like spending tons of dollars to upgrade my system ( newer better graphic card require new mother boards and such.)
thats just how i feel tho, everyone feels differently.
community is horrible barren and full of fanbois and elitest and graphics r generic and bland. Thweres not sumthing for everyone because personally i like PV and it was below average in this game even WOW was better....
This is a 'next gen' game and I am sorry if your hardware is not up to par with 'next gen' gaming. Bashing Vanguard because your video card sucks is almost as stupid as the guy who was bashing it because his download was taking too long.
So next-gen that it doesnt support dual-core cpu, or dual graphics card is what I am hearing. Brad's lame next-gen excuse just doesnt cut it.
And then you say blame SOE - sorry the buck stops at the CEO's desk - so the blame lies with Brad.
I think its great that people are enjoying Vanguard hopefully Sony can improve the game even more for you.
Seriously now, reading the con's and pro's about a game I didn't enjoy playing won't make any difference at all. I didn't like Vanguard because I felt bored and pissed while playing it, because of the performance/ lack of quick combats/ animations. I don't really care a lot about graphics, they sure can make the game more interesting, but the most important thing to me (and for most players, I suppose) is the fun factor, which I couldn't find in Vanguard.
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If you aren't part of the Vanguard community, you are seriously missing out. Not only is it the best MMO out right now, but the best MMO we have seen in a long time. Seriously, what is out now? WoW is a cartoon on a computer, and EQ, UO, and DAoC are just not the same anymore. What coming out soon? AoC looks ok, but the whole no targeting thing is very risky and the theme of the game looks like it only appeals to a certain niche. Warhammer is a WoW clone, plain and simple. Plenty of people on this forum take pride in how many aspects of VG they can point out that take away from the game, but is that really the way to look at things? I'll run through some cons first just for all you bandwagon haters.
Cons:
Performance - While the game is unoptimized, and bugs appear here and there, I see nothing wrong with the 40-50 constant fps I get with my 7900GTX 512mb card. This is a 'next gen' game and I am sorry if your hardware is not up to par with 'next gen' gaming. Bashing Vanguard because your video card sucks is almost as stupid as the guy who was bashing it because his download was taking too long. Not to mention, up until recently (with the whole Sigil giving it to SOE deal), patches were being issued every Wednesday, without fail. True, we STILL dont have helmet graphics, but if you play MMO's for helmet graphics then dont play this game.
Population - Many have also complained of low server population. There is no denying this. This can be mostly attributed to the terrible rep VG has been given (half given, half earned). It was a rough start, and many people were quick to yell "FAILURE!!! ITS A FAILURE OMG!!!". Brad made a big mistake breaking promises from the start, but it was hardly his fault anyways. Blame SOE if anyone. With all the trolls out there who seem to have more fun hating the game than playing it, VG is having a rough time gaining subscriptions and keeping them as well. As soon as people start realizing that most of these haters are just followers with no opinions of their own, population will increase.
Pros:
Graphics - Simply amazing. No other MMO can even try to claim they have better. While many of the graphics are not completed, what is in game is finely detailed. From character models to landscapes, this game has it all. Effects like Atmospheric Distortion create an environment that really stands out. This can be trouble for some people who do not have the power to handle graphics like these, but like I said, upgrade or miss out.
Something for Everyone - It is almost guaranteed that you will find a role to play in the world of Telon. If you like adventuring, like most, the variety of race/class combinations are sure to satisfy you. With 15 classes in game, you are sure to find a fighting style to fit your preference. If combat is not in your nature, choose crafting or diplomacy. Both of these gain you wealth and partnerships as you gain levels. Server play-style is also fantastic in this game. They made sure to create a world for everyone. While most of the servers are PvE, they also include Team PvP, and FFA PvP as well. These rules do not lie. PvE is strictly that, and FFA PvP is also what it claims to be -- FFA. Kill anyone, anywhere, anytime. I think many MMO's have failed to provide a decent no-safe-zone environment in the past, and if they did they were probably Korean grind - all - day games. The variety doesnt stop there. There are three different continents to choose from, also with their own housing and boat building styles. Oh yeah...did I mention there is boating and housing? Add that to the list. Also, there are already many UI mods to apply, to create an interface that maximizes your abilities for your class. As you can see, this game could be played many different ways, you just have to find the one that fits you.
Community - This is probably the thing that makes me love VG as much as I do. The people who play the game are great. If you are a WoW player, and are sick of wiping due to 10 yr old noobs who dont know anything about aggro control, VG may be a good switch for you. The community is full of adult level players, most of which who have played one or more MMO's in the past. I meet very few who are not serious about the game, and the kids who cant survive due to lack of skills dont last very long (and probably make up most of the trolls on this board ). A lot of people call this MMO "hardcore", because you cannot get on for 2 hours a day after elementary school and make much progress. If you consider yourself a "hardcore" player, with time to dedicate, this game truly gives back for the time you put in.
And so, for all of you people who say "I will never think of giving this game a chance because [insert troll name here] says it sucks LOL!!!11!" ; think again. I would hate to see this game go down, when it, even at this stage of the game, has SO much potential. Personally, I am loving every second of this game, and I await every patch with anticipation. Sorry for the novel, but im pretty bored at work and I think this board really needed a post to let the unaware know whats up instead of letting the trolls take over. To all you current VG players: Stick with it guys! I know its hard when everyone out here is flaming us, but remember the reason you play MMO's in the first place!
being a former VSOH player who gave it a try, ad being a former Beta player since Beta 2. Im sorry to burst ya bubble I am not missing out. Granted there is some potential highlights of the game, but they had their chance, and essentially shot themselves in the foot. I can go on about the reasons why I feel this game is not a worthy addition to my or anyone's collection of MMO's but I will save you the hassle and me the frustration. its obvious your enjoying yourself, cool good to know,
but dont make the first mistake of belittling me like im some poor sap that lost his way and you have to hold up your moral duty to right my lost way. get over yourself. the game is minimally stable at best sloppy, buggy, unfinished at worst. there is so many issues I came across it would make your head spin. the proproganda most vanbois spew out are misleading, unorganized and nonetheless comical. with you at least form your thoughts with some uniformed organized cohesion,until, you start to add sprinkled bits with consendention,pretensious banter toward the end to all non vsoh players.
From what I played in both beta until and after rlease I am by no meanas missing anything and will not continue to miss anything til I see concrete proof this game has dug itself out its grave fully. that I am very doubtful, though time will tell.
oh yeah as far as my crap system lol.....
5600 X2 dual core 2.8 ghz (@ 3.575 ghz o/ced),
2GB PC6400 DDR2 CORSAIR XMS 128 bit DUAL CHANNEL,
Leadtek 8800 GTS 640mb,
x-fi extreme gamer
2x150 GB WD raptor 10k RPM SATA II 16mb Cache
crap system? hardly
3.4ghz Phenom II X4 965, 8GB PC12800 DDR3 GSKILL, EVGA 560GTX 2GB OC, 640GB HD SATA II, BFG 1000WATT PSU. MSI NF980-G65 TRI-SLI MOBO.
A lot of people call this MMO "hardcore", because you cannot get on for 2 hours a day after elementary school and make much progress. If you consider yourself a "hardcore" player, with time to dedicate, this game truly gives back for the time you put in.
Hardcore MMO player? Posh.
The only way I'd consider an MMO hardcore would be the inclusion of full blown player-run world, first person twitch combat, and boats.
Exactly
AAH! A troll fire! Quick, pour some Kool-Aid on it!!!
If you aren't part of the Vanguard community, you are seriously missing out. Not only is it the best MMO out right now, but the best MMO we have seen in a long time.
Wait a second!
I thought Microsoft and/or SOE destroyed this game. That's what other people are saying in many other threads.
I thought McQuaid, Inc. needed more than $30 million. That's what other people are saying in many other threads.
I thought McQuaid, Inc. needed more than 4 years of time to produce a quality game. That's what other people are saying in many other threads.
If VG is the "best MMO out right now (and) the best MMO we have seen in a long time," those people complaining about MS and SOE and lack of funding and lack of time can't possibly be right.
Why do people keep saying WAR is a WoW clone based on the art?
If you look at the screenshots of WAR and compare it to a screenshot of WoW....well it's hard to tell which is which. I know nothing of the WAR lore so for me looking at WAR after being a previous WoW player it looks like they copied Wow and put another name on it. Hopefully the similarities end there though and someone actually comes out with new ideas.
That's because Warcraft was a copy of Warhammer. It was designed to BE a Warhammer game, but Bliz and Games Workshop had a falling out. So they changed names, etc and created the Warcraft mythos. Enough to keep the lawyers happy.
Warhammer will be huge. More people play that than D&D and the mythos is fantastic.
But getting back to the pity.. tell me again how much sympathy I am getting? I get so little as it is, it's filling me with self esteem.
Shayde - SWG (dead) Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled - Some deluded SWG fanboi who pities me. I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too. 09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0
I posted what I did because the OP is hyping a game noone should be tricked into paying for. VG needs to be put back into Beta with it's current population as free testers and rereleased in a year when it would have been ready for release (That is best case scenario, I'd rather see it crushed and tossed in the garbage where it belongs). People can call me a troll if they like but I am posting so hype which is borderline on outright lies doesn't convince too many people to waste money on this project game. Sure if you hang in there and SOE throws some more cash at it VG could be a good game. It will never be a great game because there is nothing new or revolutionary about it. Same tired old high fantasy setting, same tired old high fantasy classes, same tired old combat, etc... the list goes on and on.
As long as this is a free forum I will post my opinion as I see fit.
I posted what I did because the OP is hyping a game noone should be tricked into paying for. VG needs to be put back into Beta with it's current population as free testers and rereleased in a year when it would have been ready for release (That is best case scenario, I'd rather see it crushed and tossed in the garbage where it belongs). People can call me a troll if they like but I am posting so hype which is borderline on outright lies doesn't convince too many people to waste money on this project game. Sure if you hang in there and SOE throws some more cash at it VG could be a good game. It will never be a great game because there is nothing new or revolutionary about it. Same tired old high fantasy setting, same tired old high fantasy classes, same tired old combat, etc... the list goes on and on. As long as this is a free forum I will post my opinion as I see fit.
But the only truth you provided was your opinion, and if it's ok for you to post your opinion, why then, is it not ok for the OP to do the same?
Some people like the game, some don't. I do, and think that people should be able to read positive posts about the game as well as negetive.
It's a shame that a lot of people in this community feel the need to label anyone that disagrees with them. Guy posts he likes the game, and he's gotta be a liar or a shill?
You have got to be kidding. While this community is nothing like WOW where they spam stupidity, the community in this game are useless to each other. You get no help the majority of the times. Florendyl was the worse server I ever played on and many players came here to say the same exact thing.
Now the op shouldn't feel sorry for those who played VG or those of us who did and quit. Keep your sorrows for yourself since you're the one playing this crappy game. Why? Because it has outstanding graphics? Son, this is not enough, this game isn't worth spending money on and now that SOE has come aboard officlally, you might as well tighten that noose around this game as nothing will save it now.
Just another person trying to get others to join in this dead game, don't worry, the game won't be closed out any time soon, look at swg, the servers are empty and that game is still being kept alive.
Okay...Well I'll try Vanguard once they optomize it, and when SOE begins promoting it and helping it out. My Computer far exceeds the reccomended specs, so it's not that, that I'm worried about. I'm worried about buying it just for it to stay unpopular and end up quitting because I have no one to play with.
If you aren't part of the Vanguard community, you are seriously missing out. Not only is it the best MMO out right now, but the best MMO we have seen in a long time.
There is nothing special about Vanguards community except that it is so small that it is less annoying than some others. The players on Woefeather, where I played were not helpful or tolerant of new players, they had the usual guilds recruiting everyone and anyone they could and other than a shortage of Chuck Norris jokes weren’t much different than WoW.
WoW is a cartoon on a computer, and EQ, UO, and DAoC are just not the same anymore.
Some (like 8 million or so) actually like the cartoonish graphics of WoW even if they no longer enjoy playing faction grind 10,000. EQ, UO and DAoC don’t deserve to even be mentioned alongside Vanguard, they were actually revolutionary in there day not a poor copy of something else. Or in VG’s case a poor attempted copy of everything else.
AoC looks ok, but the whole no targeting thing is very risky and the theme of the game looks like it only appeals to a certain niche.
Before DAoC and WoW games with any effort put into a PvP system were considered niche games, trying to label AoC before it even makes it to open beta is ridiculous.
Warhammer is a WoW clone, plain and simple.
Play a game before you call it a clone not just look at a video or two and a few screenshots. This comment is nothing more than a weak attempt to convince people that somehow Vanguard is a better option than a game which will, unless Allah strikes down all us infidels, crush VG’s worthless carcass.
Plenty of people on this forum take pride in how many aspects of VG they can point out that take away from the game, but is that really the way to look at things? I'll run through some cons first just for all you bandwagon haters.
So in other words anyone who has played this game for months and doesn’t give it a good review and would warn against others buying it is on a bandwagon? Yes if a game is bad pointing out the numerous flaws to others so they don’t waste money on crap is the way to look at things. This isn’t a case of if you don’t have anything good to say don’t say anything at all, this is a case of if a game sucks tell everyone you can so future games can take notice and not put out more flops.
Cons:
Performance - While the game is unoptimized, and bugs appear here and there, I see nothing wrong with the 40-50 constant fps I get with my 7900GTX 512mb card. This is a 'next gen' game and I am sorry if your hardware is not up to par with 'next gen' gaming. Bashing Vanguard because your video card sucks is almost as stupid as the guy who was bashing it because his download was taking too long. Not to mention, up until recently (with the whole Sigil giving it to SOE deal), patches were being issued every Wednesday, without fail. True, we STILL dont have helmet graphics, but if you play MMO's for helmet graphics then dont play this game.
Look at the forums and read any one of ten million posts about how VG doesn’t even have in place the systems to use current cutting edge technology let alone “next gen” technology. You need a monster system because VG is a mess and if your system is only ok you will see all the bugs a more powerful system pushes by fast enough to mask. The claim that VG was built for future technology is a lie, not a misinterpretation but a lie and those who believe that lie are special. Oh and Helmet graphics, which other game was it that shipped without something as basic as all the graphics it promised?
Population - Many have also complained of low server population. There is no denying this. This can be mostly attributed to the terrible rep VG has been given (half given, half earned). It was a rough start, and many people were quick to yell "FAILURE!!! ITS A FAILURE OMG!!!". Brad made a big mistake breaking promises from the start, but it was hardly his fault anyways. Blame SOE if anyone. With all the trolls out there who seem to have more fun hating the game than playing it, VG is having a rough time gaining subscriptions and keeping them as well. As soon as people start realizing that most of these haters are just followers with no opinions of their own, population will increase.
VG earned 100% of the crappy reputation it got at launch. I’m going to give you a bit of infinite wisdom here for free, if you make a promise and can’t keep it, it is your fault. So why would anyone blame SOE for Brad not delivering what he promised? As far as the trolls hating the game causing VG to have a rough time, I hope that is true, I’m sure it has less of an impact than word of mouth via friends though.
Pros:
Graphics - Simply amazing. No other MMO can even try to claim they have better. While many of the graphics are not completed, what is in game is finely detailed. From character models to landscapes, this game has it all. Effects like Atmospheric Distortion create an environment that really stands out. This can be trouble for some people who do not have the power to handle graphics like these, but like I said, upgrade or miss out.
The graphics aren’t that great. Maybe if the game was actually built for dual core and sli etc… it might be more impressive but in reality it’s a matter of taste.
Something for Everyone - It is almost guaranteed that you will find a role to play in the world of Telon. If you like adventuring, like most, the variety of race/class combinations are sure to satisfy you. With 15 classes in game, you are sure to find a fighting style to fit your preference. If combat is not in your nature, choose crafting or diplomacy. Both of these gain you wealth and partnerships as you gain levels. Server play-style is also fantastic in this game. They made sure to create a world for everyone. While most of the servers are PvE, they also include Team PvP, and FFA PvP as well. These rules do not lie. PvE is strictly that, and FFA PvP is also what it claims to be -- FFA. Kill anyone, anywhere, anytime. I think many MMO's have failed to provide a decent no-safe-zone environment in the past, and if they did they were probably Korean grind - all - day games. The variety doesnt stop there. There are three different continents to choose from, also with their own housing and boat building styles. Oh yeah...did I mention there is boating and housing? Add that to the list. Also, there are already many UI mods to apply, to create an interface that maximizes your abilities for your class. As you can see, this game could be played many different ways, you just have to find the one that fits you.
If what you are looking for is a game that has no aspect which is fully functioning VG is for you. PvE is full on grind and after about level 20 is group or level like a snail. PvP was an after thought and both PvP servers are more desolate than the normal servers. Diplomacy is fun for a few hours then it becomes a ridiculous grind. Crafting is a waste of time, buy some plat from the Chinese dupers for a few bucks and buy a house and a boat and that is all you’ll ever need from them. The boats are pretty cool except when 50 people all park in the same river and don’t despawn their boats leaving a mess, I’m sure fixing that is top priority over at SOE. UI mods rofl who cares if the game is fun you’ll play with the standard ui. Except for the time it takes to grind levels in Crafting, Diplomacy and Adventuring an average gamer could blow through this game in about the same amount of time as Oblivion, except Oblivion was fun so maybe a bit slower because you’ll have to log off more and rest.
Community - This is probably the thing that makes me love VG as much as I do. The people who play the game are great. If you are a WoW player, and are sick of wiping due to 10 yr old noobs who dont know anything about aggro control, VG may be a good switch for you. The community is full of adult level players, most of which who have played one or more MMO's in the past. I meet very few who are not serious about the game, and the kids who cant survive due to lack of skills dont last very long (and probably make up most of the trolls on this board ). A lot of people call this MMO "hardcore", because you cannot get on for 2 hours a day after elementary school and make much progress. If you consider yourself a "hardcore" player, with time to dedicate, this game truly gives back for the time you put in.
Like I said above the community isn’t much better than WoW it’s just smaller so the loud annoying types are fewer and farther between. As far as the skill of the players goes, who knows this game is automated, you could program macro express to play your character 24 hours a day and never make a mistake. As far as this being a hardcore MMO, it’s not and will be even less hardcore as SOE continues to run bonus exp weekends and such trying to entice casual gamers to waste their money. Yes it takes awhile to level but just like every other game today within a few weeks people were max level. It was actually surprisingly close with the average time it took people to hit max in WoW, was WoW hardcore?
And so, for all of you people who say "I will never think of giving this game a chance because [insert troll name here] says it sucks LOL!!!11!" ; think again. I would hate to see this game go down, when it, even at this stage of the game, has SO much potential. Personally, I am loving every second of this game, and I await every patch with anticipation. Sorry for the novel, but im pretty bored at work and I think this board really needed a post to let the unaware know whats up instead of letting the trolls take over. To all you current VG players: Stick with it guys! I know its hard when everyone out here is flaming us, but remember the reason you play MMO's in the first place!
VG will never be a great game; it doesn’t have much potential because it launched so far from its goals. SOE will not devote enough money or resources to finishing VG when they could just as easily build a new game without a horrid rep. They will milk VG for all its worth in conjunction with their other mediocre games and only put as much as is necessary to maintain the target population.
Curl: You seem to be awfully good at pointing out what is bad about VG. I mean, you took all that time out of your day to share with us how much you hate VG, and gave us plenty of details on why it sucks. Others seem to find this fun as well.
All that time out of my day was a couple minutes’ tops (I type fairly fast).
I dont want to criticize the community here at mmorpg.com, since I visit these board a good bit, but does anyone here agree that it is better to post meaningless "i hate this and that" threads, than to post a "this is what Vanguard should do differently", or "this is what they did right"?
These are open message boards where people can post whatever they like within reason and while your attempt to take the moral high ground is admirable you kind of blew it by attacking both those who don’t agree with you and several other games. Like I mentioned above I only got involved in this thread because you attacked other games and maybe just a bit because I don’t think you’re serious and I felt like playing along to get the real Vanboys raging.
Easy to call me a fanboy when all everyone else does is bash all the time. Anyone who says I only have half a brain for enjoying VG seems to have less of a brain for taking the easy way out and pointing out what everyone else is doing wrong.
It is important to point out the flaws if you don’t want them in every game you play. If a game like VG was to flourish, the next generation of games would be made up mostly of games like VG which would suck in my opinion. In addition to that I am tired of game developers thinking they can sell unfinished products. No where else can suppliers of goods do that. No one would buy a ford mustang with three tires, no one would buy a McDonalds cheeseburger without cheese, so why should we buy a game without helmet graphics?
Can you name an MMO that doesn't have time sinks? How do you expect a game to keep people paying and playing if they don't have things to do.
Time sinks are the backbone of every MMO, and everything you do in an MMO is a time sink. One kind of grind or another.
It should be an MMO law that whenever someone makes a comment about grinding and time sinks in MMO's that they be pelted with racket balls by anyone that witnessed the offense.
The problem with time sinks in current MMO’s is they aren’t fun. A fun time sink wouldn’t be considered a grind it would be considered a feature!
But the only truth you provided was your opinion, and if it's ok for you to post your opinion, why then, is it not ok for the OP to do the same?
Where did I say it wasn’t ok for the OP to post his opinion? I said I posted in response to his opinion. Although much of the OP’s opinion is garbage and anyone who played VG for more than a few hours knows it.
Some people like the game, some don't. I do, and think that people should be able to read positive posts about the game as well as negative.
Well then you get everything you want in one thread!
It's a shame that a lot of people in this community feel the need to label anyone that disagrees with them. Guy posts he likes the game, and he's gotta be a liar or a shill?
When he posts stuff like VG is “next gen” and it’s not VG’s fault your computer is crap, yes that is a liar. But to be fair I didn’t call him a liar I said some of the things he said were borderline outright lies. Some of the things he said are lies and it had nothing to do with whether he liked the game or not. You should actually read his post before you defend him.
Curl: Sadly, I could not read your post because the outer cornea of my eye was singed off by your ultra hard to read color scheme. Try again.
Also, just to clear things up, I dont REALLY feel sorry for people not playing Vanguard. The thread title was in response to the thread titled: "I feel sorry for Vanguard players" that was my inspiration to create this account and post this thread in the first place. If you dont like VG, the please do not play it, because I wouldnt want any of the people posting here to get in the way of the beauty of VG. Although you would be easy infamy for me.
Also, if you gave VG a chance, and quit, then I did not post this for you. I posted this for potential subscribers that are not giving this game a chance because of all the flamers on this board. Something I do not understand is why so many NON Vanguard players visit these forums just to bash the game. Yesterday, the posts VG boards made up close to half of the total posts on the spy list from 12-5!! For such a tiny population of players, VG is definitely having an impact on the MMO fanbase, and thats a start I guess...
Wow 8 pages on my first post here...Mod: go ahead and make it a sticky so people stop polluting the board with "Brad broke my heart " posts so we can get down to some constructive conversation. Is it only me that is sick of reading "This is my opinion why VG sucks!!"?
I dont understand why so many people decided to rip apart this post. iluvVG said what he wanted, as a rebuttal to those who constantly bash the game. He clearly enjoys the game and has made some valid points about the Pros and Cons of VG. When I played I had fun, I left for a number of reasons, and may return depending on what changes SOE implements. I don’t see the point of telling the OP that he is wrong on all accounts and that VG is the worst game ever made.
I personally can’t stand WoW but I can respect and understand why people like it. I also don’t go on to the WoW forum and tell everyone how bad I think it is. Sure I wish I could get my money back buying WoW, but that’s the price you pay when you buy any product. You take the 50$ hit and think twice the next time you purchase a similar product.
Great job on a pro-VG post, nice to see a change around here!
I feel sorry for Vanguard players. Many folks that were excited about this game were duped by Brad and are still hanging by a shred of hope while they watch their beloved game die a slow miserable death. SOE is not going to put money into this game... they have successful titles to maintain, as well as some new upcoming titles.
I used to be a member of the Vanguard community and I'm so happy I'm not anymore. The game is good for a certain group of people but it's just not for me.
There's also far less drama in my life not being apart of Vanguard.
Vanguard could very well be a good game in 1+ years. I did play Vanguard for 4+ months and reached very close to the level cap before I quit out of sheer boredom and frustration. No game has ever frustrated me more than Vanguard. And, like a turbulent relationship, I put an end to it and have since moved on. For the people who like to play this game, good for you. For me, not only is performance a huge problem (and it does not matter if it is highest quality or best performance), but I could not stomach the behavior and mismanagement of Brad McQuaid. In the end, if I was to continue supporting this game, he would continue receiving a pay check. I simply cannot condone this after he willfully drove Sigil into the ground. Vanguard turned me into a realistic gamer. Don't give me talk anymore about potential. Potential is now an evil word in my book (in regards to MMOs).
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Sadly, OP, your post does not make me any more interested in trying Vanguard again. Post again when a demo of the game comes out so people can go back and try for free, as at least then they can experience the game through their eyes, not yours.
Send me fifty bucks and pay the monthly. Thats the only way I would ever play a half finished game again.
I played it in beta and little after. I have heard game has improved a lot. But i dont feel like im missing out on anything.
I believe that Vanguard is ever getting improved all the time due to lack of it's quality to begin with. It's not for everyone due to the system req to play is above the current avg. system most game players have atm. Looking at percentage, the amount of people that can handle vanguard is few compared to whole pool of game players. Other games provide good graphic/game play, less bugs at lower system req. I played LOTR in beta and that was many times better than vanguard when it was in beta.
In the end, it comes down to players. What they like, most important aspect is game play it self. I liked trade skills vanguard. But again there are aspect that arent suitable for every game player due to harsher game play than most 'easy mode' games now a days.
So, i would say that Vanguard isnt for everyone. Im hardcore EQ1 player, played it for over 5 years. And im not sure if i will play Vanguard again. It didnt live up to its expectation and I dont feel like spending tons of dollars to upgrade my system ( newer better graphic card require new mother boards and such.)
thats just how i feel tho, everyone feels differently.
So next-gen that it doesnt support dual-core cpu, or dual graphics card is what I am hearing. Brad's lame next-gen excuse just doesnt cut it.
And then you say blame SOE - sorry the buck stops at the CEO's desk - so the blame lies with Brad.
I think its great that people are enjoying Vanguard hopefully Sony can improve the game even more for you.
Seriously now, reading the con's and pro's about a game I didn't enjoy playing won't make any difference at all. I didn't like Vanguard because I felt bored and pissed while playing it, because of the performance/ lack of quick combats/ animations. I don't really care a lot about graphics, they sure can make the game more interesting, but the most important thing to me (and for most players, I suppose) is the fun factor, which I couldn't find in Vanguard.
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being a former VSOH player who gave it a try, ad being a former Beta player since Beta 2. Im sorry to burst ya bubble I am not missing out. Granted there is some potential highlights of the game, but they had their chance, and essentially shot themselves in the foot. I can go on about the reasons why I feel this game is not a worthy addition to my or anyone's collection of MMO's but I will save you the hassle and me the frustration. its obvious your enjoying yourself, cool good to know,
but dont make the first mistake of belittling me like im some poor sap that lost his way and you have to hold up your moral duty to right my lost way. get over yourself. the game is minimally stable at best sloppy, buggy, unfinished at worst. there is so many issues I came across it would make your head spin. the proproganda most vanbois spew out are misleading, unorganized and nonetheless comical. with you at least form your thoughts with some uniformed organized cohesion,until, you start to add sprinkled bits with consendention,pretensious banter toward the end to all non vsoh players.
From what I played in both beta until and after rlease I am by no meanas missing anything and will not continue to miss anything til I see concrete proof this game has dug itself out its grave fully. that I am very doubtful, though time will tell.
oh yeah as far as my crap system lol.....
5600 X2 dual core 2.8 ghz (@ 3.575 ghz o/ced),
2GB PC6400 DDR2 CORSAIR XMS 128 bit DUAL CHANNEL,
Leadtek 8800 GTS 640mb,
x-fi extreme gamer
2x150 GB WD raptor 10k RPM SATA II 16mb Cache
crap system? hardly
3.4ghz Phenom II X4 965, 8GB PC12800 DDR3 GSKILL, EVGA 560GTX 2GB OC, 640GB HD SATA II, BFG 1000WATT PSU. MSI NF980-G65 TRI-SLI MOBO.
The only way I'd consider an MMO hardcore would be the inclusion of full blown player-run world, first person twitch combat, and boats.
Exactly
Not quite, I actually have a life outside of Vanguard. One in which I interact in the non-virtual, real, world.
So yes, I can live quite happily without Vanguard in my life. Sorry you can't.........
I thought Microsoft and/or SOE destroyed this game. That's what other people are saying in many other threads.
I thought McQuaid, Inc. needed more than $30 million. That's what other people are saying in many other threads.
I thought McQuaid, Inc. needed more than 4 years of time to produce a quality game. That's what other people are saying in many other threads.
If VG is the "best MMO out right now (and) the best MMO we have seen in a long time," those people complaining about MS and SOE and lack of funding and lack of time can't possibly be right.
That's because Warcraft was a copy of Warhammer. It was designed to BE a Warhammer game, but Bliz and Games Workshop had a falling out. So they changed names, etc and created the Warcraft mythos. Enough to keep the lawyers happy.
Warhammer will be huge. More people play that than D&D and the mythos is fantastic.
But getting back to the pity.. tell me again how much sympathy I am getting? I get so little as it is, it's filling me with self esteem.
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
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I posted what I did because the OP is hyping a game noone should be tricked into paying for. VG needs to be put back into Beta with it's current population as free testers and rereleased in a year when it would have been ready for release (That is best case scenario, I'd rather see it crushed and tossed in the garbage where it belongs). People can call me a troll if they like but I am posting so hype which is borderline on outright lies doesn't convince too many people to waste money on this project game. Sure if you hang in there and SOE throws some more cash at it VG could be a good game. It will never be a great game because there is nothing new or revolutionary about it. Same tired old high fantasy setting, same tired old high fantasy classes, same tired old combat, etc... the list goes on and on.
As long as this is a free forum I will post my opinion as I see fit.
Stop whining and login so I can kill you!
But the only truth you provided was your opinion, and if it's ok for you to post your opinion, why then, is it not ok for the OP to do the same?
Some people like the game, some don't. I do, and think that people should be able to read positive posts about the game as well as negetive.
It's a shame that a lot of people in this community feel the need to label anyone that disagrees with them. Guy posts he likes the game, and he's gotta be a liar or a shill?
Wish Darkfall would release.
The people who play this game are great op says.
You have got to be kidding. While this community is nothing like WOW where they spam stupidity, the community in this game are useless to each other. You get no help the majority of the times. Florendyl was the worse server I ever played on and many players came here to say the same exact thing.
Now the op shouldn't feel sorry for those who played VG or those of us who did and quit. Keep your sorrows for yourself since you're the one playing this crappy game. Why? Because it has outstanding graphics? Son, this is not enough, this game isn't worth spending money on and now that SOE has come aboard officlally, you might as well tighten that noose around this game as nothing will save it now.
Just another person trying to get others to join in this dead game, don't worry, the game won't be closed out any time soon, look at swg, the servers are empty and that game is still being kept alive.
Okay...Well I'll try Vanguard once they optomize it, and when SOE begins promoting it and helping it out. My Computer far exceeds the reccomended specs, so it's not that, that I'm worried about. I'm worried about buying it just for it to stay unpopular and end up quitting because I have no one to play with.
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I dont want to criticize the community here at mmorpg.com, since I visit these board a good bit, but does anyone here agree that it is better to post meaningless "i hate this and that" threads, than to post a "this is what Vanguard should do differently", or "this is what they did right"?
Easy to call me a fanboy when all everyone else does is bash all the time. Anyone who says I only have half a brain for enjoying VG seems to have less of a brain for taking the easy way out and pointing out what everyone else is doing wrong.
Stop whining and login so I can kill you!
3.4ghz Phenom II X4 965, 8GB PC12800 DDR3 GSKILL, EVGA 560GTX 2GB OC, 640GB HD SATA II, BFG 1000WATT PSU. MSI NF980-G65 TRI-SLI MOBO.
I'm a big ol' fluffy carewolf. Be afraid. Be very afraid.
Also, just to clear things up, I dont REALLY feel sorry for people not playing Vanguard. The thread title was in response to the thread titled: "I feel sorry for Vanguard players" that was my inspiration to create this account and post this thread in the first place. If you dont like VG, the please do not play it, because I wouldnt want any of the people posting here to get in the way of the beauty of VG. Although you would be easy infamy for me.
Also, if you gave VG a chance, and quit, then I did not post this for you. I posted this for potential subscribers that are not giving this game a chance because of all the flamers on this board. Something I do not understand is why so many NON Vanguard players visit these forums just to bash the game. Yesterday, the posts VG boards made up close to half of the total posts on the spy list from 12-5!! For such a tiny population of players, VG is definitely having an impact on the MMO fanbase, and thats a start I guess...
Wow 8 pages on my first post here...Mod: go ahead and make it a sticky so people stop polluting the board with "Brad broke my heart " posts so we can get down to some constructive conversation. Is it only me that is sick of reading "This is my opinion why VG sucks!!"?
I dont understand why so many people decided to rip apart this post. iluvVG said what he wanted, as a rebuttal to those who constantly bash the game. He clearly enjoys the game and has made some valid points about the Pros and Cons of VG. When I played I had fun, I left for a number of reasons, and may return depending on what changes SOE implements. I don’t see the point of telling the OP that he is wrong on all accounts and that VG is the worst game ever made.
I personally can’t stand WoW but I can respect and understand why people like it. I also don’t go on to the WoW forum and tell everyone how bad I think it is. Sure I wish I could get my money back buying WoW, but that’s the price you pay when you buy any product. You take the 50$ hit and think twice the next time you purchase a similar product.
Great job on a pro-VG post, nice to see a change around here!
There's also far less drama in my life not being apart of Vanguard.
Vanguard could very well be a good game in 1+ years. I did play Vanguard for 4+ months and reached very close to the level cap before I quit out of sheer boredom and frustration. No game has ever frustrated me more than Vanguard. And, like a turbulent relationship, I put an end to it and have since moved on. For the people who like to play this game, good for you. For me, not only is performance a huge problem (and it does not matter if it is highest quality or best performance), but I could not stomach the behavior and mismanagement of Brad McQuaid. In the end, if I was to continue supporting this game, he would continue receiving a pay check. I simply cannot condone this after he willfully drove Sigil into the ground. Vanguard turned me into a realistic gamer. Don't give me talk anymore about potential. Potential is now an evil word in my book (in regards to MMOs).
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