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This game is terrible, don't waste your time.

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  • JuvanteJuvante Member Posts: 88
    That's an opinion and nothing more.  No i am not angry, i am trying to help deter people from making a mistake with this game.
  • MordiaziMordiazi Member Posts: 23
    Originally posted by Renadan

    I agree, it was an ok game, but very shallow in content.  I know its new, but it was just like SWG's when it came out.  All you could do was level, and feel you are not part of the game.   Good PVP is critical for me, it gives me a reason to level and get good stuff, DaOC and WOW ruined me for the rest of mmo's.
    I hate to get in the middle of this 'love fest' but WoW has good PvP? DAoC...yes, I agree but WoW? WoW's PvP is horrid.
  • flood950flood950 Member Posts: 447
    Originally posted by Juvante

    That's an opinion and nothing more.  No i am not angry, i am trying to help deter people from making a mistake with this game.
    Way to go you crusader for all that is good!!!   Why would you deter people as obviously many are playing and enjoying it?  You may potentially (given this thread you have no prayer) deter someone that would have enjoyed it.....   this logic makes no sense...this is the line of thinking where you believe you know what is enjoyable for everyone..which is not how things work.



    This isnt like a lemon of a car or something where someone is going to buy it and have to live with a bad decision for years..its a video game....what some people enjoy, others dont..and vice versa.  It may have been a mistake for you but what gives you the right to think it would be a mistake for others??? 


  • DaringDaring Member UncommonPosts: 138
    That's correct, that was my opinion and nothing more, but so was what you have said about LotRO. Many people play it because they think it is a good mmo. Many companies are talking highly about it, despite what a few people may think. Don't worry we all KNOW that WAR and AoC will be great, so wait on those.
  • JuvanteJuvante Member Posts: 88
      Because theres alot of people accustomed to crappy cliche MMO's and they don't know anything else.  LOTRO is just your average MMO with a LOTR theme slapped onto it.  It's nothing special at all.  They could have done so much more with it but because they have been developing it for so long, it suffers from old and outdated ideas that are built within the core of the game itself.  Life changes, and MMO's will change as well.  LOTRO has its roots built from obsolete game ideas and will not live very long. 



      So to everyone that enjoys playing it, keep playing it, but anyone thinking of buying and playing this game, don't bother.  It's not worth it, and it won't leave a memorable experience in Tolkiens beautiful story.  Since it was done so poorly.  Best thing this game has is nice environmental graphics, thats its biggest plus, other then that.... it's weak. 
  • DonnieBrascoDonnieBrasco Member Posts: 1,757
    Originally posted by flood950

    Originally posted by Juvante

    That's an opinion and nothing more.  No i am not angry, i am trying to help deter people from making a mistake with this game.
    Way to go you crusader for all that is good!!!   Why would you deter people as obviously many are playing and enjoying it?  You may potentially (given this thread you have no prayer) deter someone that would have enjoyed it.....   this logic makes no sense...this is the line of thinking where you believe you know what is enjoyable for everyone..which is not how things work.



    This isnt like a lemon of a car or something where someone is going to buy it and have to live with a bad decision for years..its a video game....what some people enjoy, others dont..and vice versa.  It may have been a mistake for you but what gives you the right to think it would be a mistake for others??? 




    The OP is still in the age where he cannot clearly distinguish between opinion and universal truth. That is called immaturity, he'll get over it :)

    And OP: yes, you were _very_ immature to call people idiots and fags, especially in an MMOG. You were angry, yes, but also immature.

    An angry mature person would have simply left and ignored those people who annoy him/her. So this is not a choice between angriness and immaturity - it is a combination of the two.

    Registering on mmorpg.com and write a bashing troll post caused by the frustration for being banned from the game - again, not the most mature way :( But heck, we have much older trolls here who couldn't resist that :)) so heads up!

    DB

    Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.

  • JuvanteJuvante Member Posts: 88
       I called them those names but once, and i put them on ignore.  Regardless i got baned for it.  That has nothing to do with my review, alot of people keep saying im mad about being banned but you have no proof.  Its up to the reader to make his choice either for good or for bad. 



    Yes i know the difference between universal truth and opinion.  I gave a detailed review over many aspects in the game but i did not lie or exaggerate.  My review will give people insight, to others it will be ignored as just opinion and nothing more.  Then go try out the game and find out.  If you find out i was right, then blame yourself.  If you like it, regardless the game is cliche and old fashioned.  When 2008 comes, get ready for new MMO's.



    Ageofconan.com

    WarhammerOnline.com

    Darkfallonline.com



    Check out the podcasts on these games, all the videos and developer videos.  They may or may not be to your liking, we shall have to see when they release if they are good or not.
  • flood950flood950 Member Posts: 447
    "If you find out i was right, then blame yourself.  If you like it, regardless the game is cliche and old fashioned. '



    lol..you have no idea the difference between opinion and universal truth..you almost redeemed yourself but then put in a bonehead comment like that.  You are essentially saying you are right in either event, even if people do enjoy it.    Sort of like, you can disagree with my review, but I am still right. 



    PS.  2008 is still a ways away.  Some like to live more for the day and not think about months down the road and dismiss what we have now as being old fashioned.
  • JuvanteJuvante Member Posts: 88
    It wasn't a bonehead comment.  Its truth.  LOTRO has the exact same structure as WoW, EQ and all of the old MMO's.  It does nothing groundbreaking or new, which makes it cliche and old fashioned.  You guys are used to it and enjoy it because thats all you know, really all it has is a LOTR theme to it.  Thats the bottom line.
  • flood950flood950 Member Posts: 447
    Originally posted by Juvante

    It wasn't a bonehead comment.  Its truth.  LOTRO has the exact same structure as WoW, EQ and all of the old MMO's.  It does nothing groundbreaking or new, which makes it cliche and old fashioned.  You guys are used to it and enjoy it because thats all you know, really all it has is a LOTR theme to it.  Thats the bottom line.
    Its truth to you..yet you say you can seperate opinion from universal truth...  I think my point was proven by you.  You state your own opinion as factual truth....



    Could you explain this same structure that WoW, EQ and ALL the old MMO's had?  I am very interested in being enlightened by someone obviously as all-knowing as yourself.  Lets compare this exact structure between UO and WoW and see how that also relates to LoTRo.  Since we obviously cannot speak about your review as you cannot separate your feelings for what is fact, how about this structure you are talking about.   I cant wait to hear about all *I* really know and how wrong I must be.










  • JuvanteJuvante Member Posts: 88
       Go back and read my review, and maybe you'll find your answers. 



    Gameplay falls into many different things.



    1. Quests

    2. Socializing

    3. Guilds

    4. Music

    5. Raids

    6. Battles



    and many more



    LOTRO quest system does the same thing as the old games in MMO's.  They are very boring because your doing pretty much the same things region to region.  Nothing new or interesting, Turbine is afraid to break the mold and try something new and they decide to be a cookie cutter MMO.



    Deeds are bad, you have deeds that help you explore the world for certain landmarks but its difficult to find them.  Deeds for killing things gets incredibly old, you kill 30 brigands in bree, then 30 brigands in lonelands and another 30 brigands in angmar, woohoo thats really innovative.



    Guilds are the same as old guilds in other MMOs.  You must have your guild around for 1-2 months before you get to use all of the guild options, your guild ranks up as it keeps living on day to day.  You get something as simple as officer chat after a week or so which is pretty pathetic.



    Music is redundant and not done very well



    Raids are the same as in other MMO's from what i've looked into but i wasn't too knowledgeable on that area since i never participated in them.



    Battles in LOTRO are sit there and walk away from your keyboard till the battle is over, its based on statistical combat, you can't decide if you block, parry or slam the enemy, you just have to hope you do.  Its a button mashing game, and just the player repeating the same script of skills over and over again.  Boring. 

        In newer MMO's your going to be able to control your character and you can decide to block that attack or parry that enemy's sword if you want to and if your skilled.  In this game you can't...its statistical, and thats an outdated concept right there.



    Should i keep going?



    The world of middle earth isn't even finished, after 8 years they only manage to complete Eriador, they must have taken lots of vacations.  Or they must have been putting in 1 hour shifts a day.  I'm not impressed.
  • Originally posted by Juvante

     

    Should i keep going?

    Go on, its ok. LotR:O forum readers love the rants of WoW fanbois. Makes for a good laugh.



    The world of middle earth isn't even finished, after 8 years they only manage to complete Eriador, they must have taken lots of vacations.  Or they must have been putting in 1 hour shifts a day.  I'm not impressed.



    They are finished with a majority of it, but hey if you lay it all out on the table now people will skip important content. They have already stated that they have free expansion format styled releases coming up in the future, and one of those such releases is coming up at the end of this month.
    I mean really. If they put all of it in at the very opening of the game it would have been to overwhelming and just down right idiotic for them. Start out with a generalized format of gameplay and build from there. If they also put everything in from the start they would have had to beg for new lore licensed content to put within the game.



    I understand that you are upset about strategy being in the game as it appears you have played some that require absolutely none and your calling it all stat based, but it really isn't if you would of read on the main website the way the combat system works. Now I realize this is a bit over your head, but its ok everything will be alright. Just sit back relax and go back to Hello Kitty Adventure Island.
  • JuvanteJuvante Member Posts: 88
    First off Namelessbob, your very rude throughout your post so you already put yourself in a bad position.  You call me a wow fanboy, first off WoW is a piece of crap game, so lets get that out of the way.  You already make assumptions about me in things you could never possibly know, shows your immature.



    I know how the combat works and its cliche.  Its going to be replaced by more hands on control in future MMO's.  You will be able to dodge, parry and move your character with lots of control and fluidity.  In this game, it doesn't matter, you just mash keys and sit there and fight, and if you take hits theres nothing you can do, you have to hope the dice are kind to you.  Thats old fashioned.



    Hello kitty island adventure?  Was that suppose to make your post mean something by insulting me? 
  • flood950flood950 Member Posts: 447
    I dont even know why I am bothering...   you dodged the entire exact structure you were talking about before.



    But, if I must go on this...response.   Right at the beginning you claim its a cookie-cutter MMO.  I dont even know what this means.  Some would argue it, but I feel like the only aspect of MMO gaming where you may able to say something is close to cookie-cutter may be the free to play eastern titles.  Those even visually in many cases look identical.



    Right after this statement where it wasnt really expanded upon what aspects make something cookie-cutter, you bring up Deeds.  How do these fit into all of the older MMO's?  They are fairly unique including the Title system that comes along with them.  Then there is the whole concept of the Traits, what did AC, or UO, or the other older games have that was the same as this?



    Your guild comments really threw me off, what game are you thinking is the same as this one?  Most games you get the functions almost immediately, not all..but most.   How is LoTRo's guild system fitting into the structure that AC had if these things are all the same?



    Music is 100% opinion, there is no good or bad music, anyone should realize this.  Your tastes may not enjoy it, but that does not mean it is not well done, oh wait...we went over this...you dont like it so it must be bad....I was wrong and have bad taste apparently.



    What the heck class were you playing where you could walk away from the keyboard in battle???  I have no idea which one is that easy to use...   I guess the more important question is how do you think this is outdated?  DDO was made by the same company, before this game, and has what I believe you are talking about.  This is not being outdated, its a system that is used that many many people enjoy.  The type of combat you are talking about can be taxing on a player after a while.  For those that spend most of the day at work, many times in front of a computer for those 9 hours, the last thing you want is a game where you are needing to be quick with the keys.  You are playing to relax.  That is what MMO's offer for a lot of people..its relaxation.  If you want frantic fast paced combat go play a FPS.  



    The combat you are talking about is just different, its not revolutionary whatsoever.  Go give Savage a try if you want Melee that is skill based.  It just is not introduced into the MMO genre that often and usually has mixed feelings when it is.   Keep in mind that a lot of existing MMO players come from a P&P background.



    But again, another case of something you dont like just being wrong and a fault of the game because it doesnt cater to you. 



    So what is this exact framework that all these games share?  I still dont know yet.
  • JuvanteJuvante Member Posts: 88
      I didn't dodge anything.  A cookie cutter MMO means a MMO that does exactly what other MMO's have done with its basic foundation and structure, its roots.  That is because it has confidence that it will work because of the past success.  Instead of trying new innovative things, it does the old to make sure it makes a profit and doesn't fail.



    The deeds and traits are not new, they are like the WoW talent build only much weaker and pathetic.



    What i meant with the guild system was that its the same in other mmo's but instead of you having all of the options you have to wait for your guild rank to upgrade as the days go by, getting something as simple as officer chat can take days and days.  They should all be available, but the structure in guilds for LOTRO is the same as past games are.



    Music is good to you?  You like hearing the same Shire tune over and over again, and over and over again.  OK good, you like redundant beats i can't tell you what to listen to.



    What i meant by walking away from the keyboard was that, your just sitting there and auto attacking.  The mobs don't leap back away from you, and they don't do anything except stand in front of you and auto attack as well.  Its cliche.  All you do is click a button and do some special attack, thats how other past MMO's were, nothing special or new.



    The combat of having more control over your character might give you heart palpatations and a stroke, im sorry that its too much for you to handle.  That kind of combat is closer to skill then statistical and dice rolling combat, or else your just seeing who has the better gear like in WoW.
  • flood950flood950 Member Posts: 447
    A trait is like a talent build in WoW?  How many of the talents out of the tree do you have to actually do things other than simply level to unlock?   Please expand on this.



    Structure of guilds...again..you dodged how its the same as past games.   AC comparison?  I cant find my Patron for the life of me in LoTRo, since its the same as all the other games...I must have one..just not sure where he/she is....hmmm, do you know?



    Yes, I enjoy the music.  Hard to grasp for you?   No, you cant tell someone what to listen to, you can accept that people like what you may not though and that it isnt just bad because it doesnt meet your tastes.



    The last part shows me why you were banned, you are very immature and seem to have selective reading.  Not every game I play needs to be fast paced...as I said...I play FPS for that.  BF2142 meets those needs just fine.  I will go grab my paintball gun if I want some real excitement, sorry, but video games dont need to be fast paced to be good..its a dang game man, go outside if you need action. 



    You seem to have a very tough time acknowledging that people enjoy different things.  You label a game bad but your reasons are very self centered, you just are looking for something else.  You want to deter people from playing something that you dont like and everything, every single thing you have brought up was opinion based.  This does not make for a bad game...it makes a game that you dont happen to like.



    Why on earth you would want to deter someone from something they may like is beyond me.  If you said the game kept crashing on you, caused your system to overheat, lagged you to death, music didnt work, combat didnt respond and you couldnt attack and just died, then yes, you have a bad game.  Here we have a game you dont like and feel like because of that, its bad. 






  • JuvanteJuvante Member Posts: 88
    In LOTRO you can get a ton of traits but you can only equip very few.  As you level you can equip them.  I said in my review that its TOO LIMITED.  Go back and read what i said, I'm sorry that you don't have reading comprehension.



    Why do you need a AC comparison?  Lol if you haven't gotten it by now you never will.



    Yes i know, already gone over that, if you like redundant music go ahead and listen to it, i didn't forbid you to listen to it.



    You call me immature for having different points of view?  Thats not a very intelligent point.



    I play paintball and i can play football, soccer, and everything else i want.  When it comes to fantasy games you can do some incredibly fun things as well, and having more control over your character doesn't make it into a FPS shooter game.  You need to open up your mind a bit.



    I never told anyone that they are forbidden to play this game, i simply made this review to give them insight into the game, i told good points and bad points.  Honest answers in all of them.  You may say they were self centered opinions but no.  You can go ahead and play it, thats your choice, im suggesting that you don't and that you play something much better.  Play something with updated ideas and better gameplay.  LOTRO is very poor.
  • MagiKen86MagiKen86 Member Posts: 9
    and it is your latest post which actually makes a difference, I've been reading the whole thread for the past day or so.  Most of your views were thoroughly self-centered, or at least that's how I read them.  The title even sounds a little condemning.  This last post you said that you'd suggest other people not play this game, but if they wanted to, that's their choice.  That is something entirely different than what you've been saying all along, and I think the title of the thread illustrates that point nicely.  Thanks for your post, now, can we please stop arguing over it, the people who want to play will, the people who don't want to don't have to, let's all move on with our lives.
  • raitzuraitzu Member Posts: 83
    I agree with the OP, if you like a game to take you by the hand and guide you around; this is the game for you.


    If you like to button mash, this game is for you.


    Personally I will never regret quitting this game.
  • JuvanteJuvante Member Posts: 88
      I never expected myself to be a perfect writer, i know i would make mistakes.  Yes, my points were to give people insight into the game and suggest they not play it, but if they wanted to play it anyway, thats their choice.
  • flood950flood950 Member Posts: 447
    " i am trying to help deter people from making a mistake with this game."



    then...



    " i simply made this review to give them insight into the game, i told good points and bad points."





    Walk on home boy...I think this thread is done now.
  • Soulfly620Soulfly620 Member Posts: 1

    your're a douche, this game is very, very fun.  the roleplay oppertunities for us true Tolkien fans is great.  i'm glad you don't like it, it means you won't be playing it. the classes in this game are great, i can forsee myself playing this much longer than i played that POS WoW game, which was 2 months. This is the first game to come along that got me to actually cancel my DAoC accounts after 5 yrs.

  • JuvanteJuvante Member Posts: 88
    And your point is flood?  I said the same thing in both sentences.  Don't play this game because i'm suggesting to them that its not worth playing and there are better games out there.  If they choose to play it its up to them.



    "Walk home boy", was that suppose to further your post in some way?  People can't be polite and respectful in posts can they, they have to use derogatory remarks because they aren't intelligent enough to make a constructive post.
  • flood950flood950 Member Posts: 447
    Originally posted by Juvante



    "Walk home boy", was that suppose to further your post in some way?  People can't be polite and respectful in posts can they, they have to use derogatory remarks because they aren't intelligent enough to make a constructive post.
    Its from a song....about having respect.



    You nicely demonstrated that I was well founded using it! 


  • JuvanteJuvante Member Posts: 88
    Soulfly620 says:  your're a douche, this game is very, very fun.  the roleplay oppertunities for us true Tolkien fans is great.

    --------------------------------



    There goes another one with an insult.  Can't be polite can you?  Your right, for you TRUE TOLKIEN FANS.  But what about people who just want a fun gameplay experience, something new and exciting, something groundbreaking and innovative.  Nope, you won't find that here, and only tolkien fans would most likely enjoy it for the roleplaying.  Thanks for your post. 
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