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This game is terrible, don't waste your time.
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You nicely demonstrated that I was well founded using it!
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I've yet to see you make a respectful and polite post.
While I have read the books and seen the movies, etc. I am not a huge Tolkien fan. I do, however, really enjoy LOTRO. I understand the opinion and you are, of course, welcome to it without getting flamed. I don't agree with many of these thoughts but that, like yours, is simply opinion.
I dunno, I really like the touches done like ambient noise such as the smith hammer falling or the sounds of activity in Bree. The howls and screeches of creatures in the North Downs help with immersion. The music works fine for me and I really have not noticed it as bothersome.
Personally, I did not see a reason for this game to be "the innovator". Let's face it, neither was WOW. It was simply a compilation of other great ideas packaged nicely, sort of like a greatest hits CD. It innovated nothing when it was released and was infinately buggier than LOTRO at launch time. This game does have a few innovative features in the music system and Monster Play (like it or not) but those your enjoyment of those depends on play style.
What LOTRO does well is present a casual gaming experience with great back story in a world we all know. If Turbine keeps its word (and is so far) about regular content updates and regional expansions I think it will continue to be a fun game for the majority.
The innovators in the genre appear to be AoC and Gods and Heroes to name a few (maybe WAR too) but that has yet to be seen. Heck, Matrix on line was "innovative" in approach but look how that turned out. It had some great features but is very clunky. The ability to reprogram your learned skills and abilities was a great idea.
Well, that is my two cents. I think that the average joe will like LOTRO for what it is and enjoy it. I think those that are looking for leaping strides in the genre and a high level of deep innovation will not be satisfied.
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The same god given right that everyone has to express themselves. You do not have to heed my warning or agree with it, however, it will provide insight and truth to the game.
And no this is not an innovative game neither was WoW. In the future we will hopefully see some very successful innovative MMO's that will blow the old world of MMO out of the water.
Innovation
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The classic definitions of innovation include:
Must i elaborate more?
If you feel that this is a bad release, what do you recommend instead? Obviously excluding games that are not yet released. I think a lot of people learned not to read into hype too much with what happened to Vanguard. Not saying that was a bad game, but it was hyped up to be the next generation of MMO gaming and fell short of that in most eyes.
Then your comments about LOTRO not being innovative are totally incorrect. Did you actually READ the definition?
Deeds/Traits - hmmm...seems like somthing NEW in online games to me. Hey LOTRO has some INNOVATIONS.
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Follow those and hope to God they pull through. If not, go buy a Xbox 360 this Holiday season and play some good upcoming RPG's in the making.
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Nope not really. Ever play World of Warcraft? Deeds/traits are just like the WoW talent build but weaker because of its extreme limitation.
Are you having fun killing 30 brigands in bree, and then 30 brigands in lone lands and then another 30 brigands in angmar to get 3 seperate deeds? That doesn't sound too fun, or innovative, thats more like grind.
I agree withthe OP LOTRO is just another knock off to DAOC, like so many, many, many other games. When will people break from the Asian mmo or now the DAOC mmo cause their all the same exact thing with different models and spell names.
I had my fill with DAOC and WoW, but now theres 9 dragons and LOTRO and even SUN. This is a terrible game cause its not TURBINES GAME. It has no sense ofTURBines originality that it shown IN AC. Its just copy pasting with a few new words in it so that its not copyright infringement.
If you think that doesnt matter when it comes to making a good game then im gonna make a game called WORLD OF THE DRAGON RINGS IN CAMELOT. It'll have a bunch of rings that try to find their dragons, the lore will be amazing! And gampelay purely unique jsut like the rest of the DAOC Type games. AND THE PVP WILL BE 100% SKILL UNLESS YOU DONT HAVE ANY L33T ITEMS THEN YOU CANT DO ANYTHING EXEPT HEAL OTHERS.
This is what I hear from all the games, and every one of the games are the same. If you like this game. Good for you, (not defending OP didnt read all his posts) but if someone disagrees just wish them well and let them be on their way.
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Says who?
I dont play personally as I play MMO for PvP almost exclusively and am hoping Warhammer is good but, the negativity towards LoTRo seems like its just a channeling of your unhappiness with these games in general.
In LotRO you really have to make a serious effort to grind up your deeds (yep, i agree...they are a vicious grind) and unless you decide to get them all ( a challenge, I know, I tried) you may miss one (or not level it up all the way) that would really benefit your character.
Sure, you can't slot as many...(but you can slot quite a few) and if you want to see their effect get a character up to 40 or so...then take them all off and try fighting some friendly mobs..... you'll see what a difference they can make... (esp if your a melee class like my guardian is). And go take a look at WOW's talents, how many are you actually slotting at level 70? 10, or 12? (can't recall). That's about how many slots LotRO has per character for traits. You are not as free as you think in WOW.
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
As long as a post that says DONT WASTE YOUR TIME and has examples of why it shouldnt be tried that should be no big deal and shouldnt be a cause of Major spammage/flames.
When i played these games awhile back they were fun because it was new and we were all enjoying ourselves, but now times are changing. Nobody wants the same old style anymore, people are looking for new and interesting approaches. I am not against MMO's but innovation and creativity in MMO's are what are suffering so badly right now.
If we do not criticize against what we feel is outdated and boring, they will keep making the same game, and again and again. Only when you rise up and demand better will they make better.
Outside of the three you posted, dont forget about Tabula Rasa and Huxley, even Spellborn which are quite different than the mill games.
The main reason I believe that people are taking offense to this post is because you are criticizing a game yet citing market trends as its main problem. I am guessing that you did not follow the development of this release very closely because I dont believe they ever intended to go for revolutionary play.
This game was for the most part intended for Tokien fans and those just looking for a casual game. I think 2007 had its stab at evolution with Vanguard and look where that ended up!
It just seems like this game has drawn your ire even though it is exactly what it was advertised to be. They went for refinement in a lot of areas rather than evolution. That is not a bad thing for a lot of players. If the PvP system ever gets updated I may even give this a try because after some very rocky launches lately, I applaud what they ahve done in adding layer after layer of polish.
In asheron's call it was an open land. its like the USA or whatever continent. It wasnt linear but open. You could run from 1 side of the map to the other (unelss obstacles like mountains or deep waters were blocking you) if you wanted to (wass like 100 or so square miles of land that you could run on i think)
Actually i stand corrected, SWG had that as well. but I loved the non instanced gameplay and how you actually had to fight for a dungeon against the monsters in that dungeons and other palyers to actaully own that dungeon, gave you a sense of I OWN CAUSE I CAN SHOW IT. Other than the whole I Got l33t items so i own by default.
WoW players keep telling me about "rogue of warcraft" i've seen that video and i gotta say its pitiful. Not only does he fight complete retards and even has so many edits to the video but it shows that theres not really much skill to it.
And im sorry but this game is just another DAOC/WoW turbine really fowled up with this one in terms of creativity, just going for a few $$$$
Outside of the three you posted, dont forget about Tabula Rasa and Huxley, even Spellborn which are quite different than the mill games.
The main reason I believe that people are taking offense to this post is because you are criticizing a game yet citing market trends as its main problem. I am guessing that you did not follow the development of this release very closely because I dont believe they ever intended to go for revolutionary play.
This game was for the most part intended for Tokien fans and those just looking for a casual game. I think 2007 had its stab at evolution with Vanguard and look where that ended up!
It just seems like this game has drawn your ire even though it is exactly what it was advertised to be. They went for refinement in a lot of areas rather than evolution. That is not a bad thing for a lot of players. If the PvP system ever gets updated I may even give this a try because after some very rocky launches lately, I applaud what they ahve done in adding layer after layer of polish.
With all due respect vanguard was a pretty shbaby game from what i've read on it. Not to mention incomplete? I'd suggest playing DARK MESSIAH multiplayer if anyone here gets a chance, or even the single player.
Tabula rasa has automated aiming so isnt really an MMOFPSRPG, Huxley i wouldnt really consider an RPG but im still gonna give it a try myself. Spellborn sounds familiar but will have to give it a look.
But for hte most part its not that the games are point and click, its just that their ALL THE SAME. Look at EQ2 game footage, look at LOTRO DAOC and DRAGON9 and even a few others, its basicaly copy pasted code is it not?
Specifics can be drawn but the games are just lame, especially the ones that are apparently PVP ORIENTED yet theres no penalties of any kind, theres hardly any gain during PVP and theres no real brag rights.
They ran out of money for vanguard and had to release it unfinished, but it could have been successful. Other then that, the future MMO's saw this and were like " Hell no, am i going to let my MMO have that happen to it". So they pushed back their release dates and they want to make sure they have quality products.
But it IS innovation.
Just like being able to rent a horse to travel from one location to another - again, innovation. It was a new way to solve an old problem.
Sure EQ2 you can buy a horse but RENTING one for a quick trip to another town was an innovative approach.
Like most people, you seem to think that if something is innovative it means that it is good, better or even wanted so like most people that post on these boards, the first thing people start to say is "this game made no innovations" when it is clear that the individual does not have a clear understanding what the word means.
Just because INNOVATIONS are made to something in no way mean they were an improvement to what was originally there in the first place.
In other words, not all innovations are good or wanted.
What I am trying to get across is that to say this game or that game has made no innovations is wrong. Every game brings something NEW to the table. Look at Auto Assault - man was that innovation in online games or what! But look at the game, it is close to being shut down last I checked. It appears that the innovative idea of giving people a war torn earth and cars to drive just did not appeal to many players.
What a lot of players today seem to think is that the next big game must be INNOVATIVE!
Well just what the hell do you want?
There are only so many ways to do quests, combat, run, walk, swing a sword, shoot a gun, chat, bank, mail, have housing.
I think that most gamers today will be greatly disappointed with the games out today and comming out tomorrow because they have an unrealistic idea of what they want.
You all seem to want the same excitement experienced in the first or second MMO you ever played and that just ain't gonna happen.
I used to think the merry-go-round on the playground was the coolest most fun device ever invented by mankind.....I have greatly matured since then and while the merry-go-round might give me a 10 second thrill today....it is nothing like the first time.
Making a MMO is very very hard, so trying something totally new takes alot of guts but its what must be done to break the mold of the current MMO trend. Companies are trying to make a buck off past successful ideas and trends. They will continue to do so as long as you continue to support it.
And no, LOTRO did nothing new. Renting a horse for a taxi service is not new.