this has turned ugly. i suggest just drop it and move on. if you cant talk about games without getting all pissed and offended then you need to go do something else
china doesn't have 52% of the world's population....maybe like 5 or 6% (with a max of 9%, cuz i'm really not sure) with India right behind it...but between China, Korea and Japan, you have about 70-80% of all MMO players
When your done Trolling, perhaps you'd like to read my earlier reply.
Originally posted by Sariah
SOE is the best AT LEAST american based MMO company
When you have virtually no competition, its easy to brasenly say that. I suppose this all breaks down to what classes as an MMO company. A company that releases/sponsors multiple MMO's? Or one that sponsors one MMO? Breaking it further down the question I come to is, quality or quantity? Becuase SoE sure as hell dont hit the mark for quality.
Originally posted by Death1942
actually i was referring to ur post about China's MMO's only have a large player base because 52% of the worlds population lives there. i think ALOT of people would take offence to that both developer and player
How is that offensive? Sure, its errornous, China has around 20% of the worlds population. But saying there are more french then english is by no means discriminatory.
china doesn't have 52% of the world's population....maybe like 5 or 6% (with a max of 9%, cuz i'm really not sure) with India right behind it...but between China, Korea and Japan, you have about 70-80% of all MMO players
I have been workign on my own company dealing in international trade I did state one word wrong but I wasnt that wrong ...
Asia has 60% of the words population beign at 4 BILLION and china has 1 BILLIOn america has closer to 500 MILLION. Geez I said thousand LOL
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I do too, but that's just because I have an SOE all-access pass.
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godpuppet, honestly, i wouldn't be surprised, you wouldn't imagine what we did to our school page that stuck for about 2 months when mods finally realized it had happened, hehe
godpuppet, honestly, i wouldn't be surprised, you wouldn't imagine what we did to our school page that stuck for about 2 months when mods finally realized it had happened, hehe
Heh, wiki is right.
I fell into the trap off closed mindedness, assuming that wiki was china not asia. I need more Tea. >.<
close mindedness?? I said I stated a word wrong meaning I meant Asia but I said China even though china is still 700-900 Million bigger than the US. meaning theres a high chance of more people playing. Oh encase anyone disagrees stating theres more people in a country so more people play games is not raciest it's logic FTW
Sure has been a good conversation thus far!
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close mindedness?? I said I stated a word wrong meaning I meant Asia but I said China even though china is still 700-900 Million bigger than the US. meaning theres a high chance of more people playing. Oh encase anyone disagrees stating theres more people in a country so more people play games is not raciest it's logic FTW
Sure has been a good conversation thus far!
Asias a big place, saying that afore mentioned statement is somewhat like mistaking Europe for France. Anyway, I removed my statement due Fear of the overzealous moderators on these boards.
Would be nice if SOE owned some rights to every MMO on the market kind of like Wal-Mart owns basically every cities discount everything section. OMG NO WAY!! why would I say that? 1.) SOE is a established professional company who helps even games that are undeveloped [Vangard:SOH] build itself a tid bit.
2.) SOE's customer service is good, Other than one occurance they have never knocked me around and the one occurance recently where I was charged I spoke to someone this morning and was refunded. Thats one serious issue since 1999.
3.) People who hate SOE and like to spam forums about how bad SOE is will not participate in MMO's making the communities less childish.
4.) Every game that comes out will have a huge financial backing there fore cannot flop like Vangard did. (SOE did not develop VG nor are the PoTBS)
5.) Every MMO ever created would be on the access account
6.) When SOE buys a dying MMO like Matrix Online it re-establish's it with it's developers, advertisement, and Sony Access. Anyone who might never play matrix online if they have a access acount and are bored of EQ2 all they have to do is log in and play MxO. MxO would not be here right now if it wasn't for SOE. Crazy ?
7.) Last but not least... There would only be like 10 MMO's not 150 140 which are just garbage .....
Your point has some huge, major, flaws:
1. How come you don't mention the many times entire communities, towns, and states, have kicked Wal-Mart OUT? Or not allowed Wal-Mart to set up shop? Hmmmm?
2. The same reason townspeople have kicked Wal-Mart out, or not allowed a Wal-Mart to open up is the same reason why SOE should not be allowed to own every mmorpg, or even the majority of mmorpgs. Which is the same reason MicroSoft has proven why having a monopoly is more bad than good. It all goes back to the Rockerfeller family back when they owned Standard Oil, having such a monopoly that they had as much power as the President of America.
3. MxO is simply one mmorpg. VG is simply another mmorpg. So what if SOE purchased 2 mmorpgs? BTW, SOE actually unofficially purchased only one - MxO. The main guy behind VG always had a history with SOE. He did the exact same thing with the first mmorpg he was behind - EQ. And EQ was a runaway hit from the getgo. Those who study buisness would classify him as the definition of an American sellout, twice in a row. There is far more to his background that you have shown that you are not aware about.
So SOE purchased 1 failling mmorpg. There are roughly 30 mmorpgs out. Not much of a dent in terms of owning the majority of the mmorpg market games. (Talking about number of mmorpgs owned. Not number of subcribers.) If MxO had been allowed to shut down - no problem, that's capitalism. If SOE buys MxO, still no problem. BTW, it still does not mean MxO is now a success. It simply means SOE is doing what Turbine did with AC2. Turbine simply used the profits from AC1 to keep AC2 on life support. SOE has made such insane profits from EQ1, that they can easily keep MxO on life support forever. Easily long enough for them to squeeze out of MxO the amount they paid to buy it up.
4. Anyone who is pro-monopoly, is anti-capitalist. One of the foundations of capitalism is allowing competition to always be present, which keeps all companies on their toes. When this happens the market aka consumer aka customer wins. In any country where there is no capitalism, creativity, innovation, and inventions, stagnate. There is no reason for the single company to make their product better.
There is no way your wish will ever come true. (Blizzzard, and the rest of the other successful mmorpg companies have no reason to sell out to SOE. None of their founders has any history with SOE either.) But I had fun taking the bait, and pointing out its fallicies. I really do hope you understand why monopolies are dangerous.
Just because a few people enjoy a game does not mean its good quality, look at the facts soe is a greedy company and if you respect that then your just another mindless soul who doesnt think for themselves, just like politicians and big money cooperations soe are masters of manipulation, just because you didnt experience some of the dark side of soe does not mean the majority have not, I have been there since eq1 and yes there games can be fun but soe has ruined my fun in every mmorpg I have played for them.
Do you Honestly believe soe has vision? Do you really think they care about the quality of there games? I am sorry friend but they do not and sooner or later there will be companys to do have vision and will show us what a true mmorpg is just wait and see.
I respect your opinion but you need to realize that there is a reason why so many people are disgusted by soe and tired of being ripped off by them, real life experience and opinions are very differant and I do not see why these many people would make such things up about soe if they where not true.
Would be nice if SOE owned some rights to every MMO on the market kind of like Wal-Mart owns basically every cities discount everything section. OMG NO WAY!! why would I say that? 1.) SOE is a established professional company who helps even games that are undeveloped [Vangard:SOH] build itself a tid bit.
2.) SOE's customer service is good, Other than one occurance they have never knocked me around and the one occurance recently where I was charged I spoke to someone this morning and was refunded. Thats one serious issue since 1999.
3.) People who hate SOE and like to spam forums about how bad SOE is will not participate in MMO's making the communities less childish.
4.) Every game that comes out will have a huge financial backing there fore cannot flop like Vangard did. (SOE did not develop VG nor are the PoTBS)
5.) Every MMO ever created would be on the access account
6.) When SOE buys a dying MMO like Matrix Online it re-establish's it with it's developers, advertisement, and Sony Access. Anyone who might never play matrix online if they have a access acount and are bored of EQ2 all they have to do is log in and play MxO. MxO would not be here right now if it wasn't for SOE. Crazy ?
7.) Last but not least... There would only be like 10 MMO's not 150 140 which are just garbage .....
Your point has some huge, major, flaws:
1. How come you don't mention the many times entire communities, towns, and states, have kicked Wal-Mart OUT? Or not allowed Wal-Mart to set up shop? Hmmmm?
2. The same reason townspeople have kicked Wal-Mart out, or not allowed a Wal-Mart to open up is the same reason why SOE should not be allowed to own every mmorpg, or even the majority of mmorpgs. Which is the same reason MicroSoft has proven why having a monopoly is more bad than good. It all goes back to the Rockerfeller family back when they owned Standard Oil, having such a monopoly that they had as much power as the President of America.
3. MxO is simply one mmorpg. VG is simply another mmorpg. So what if SOE purchased 2 mmorpgs? BTW, SOE actually unofficially purchased only one - MxO. The main guy behind VG always had a history with SOE. He did the exact same thing with the first mmorpg he was behind - EQ. And EQ was a runaway hit from the getgo. Those who study buisness would classify him as the definition of an American sellout, twice in a row. There is far more to his background that you have shown that you are not aware about.
So SOE purchased 1 failling mmorpg. There are roughly 30 mmorpgs out. Not much of a dent in terms of owning the majority of the mmorpg market games. (Talking about number of mmorpgs owned. Not number of subcribers.) If MxO had been allowed to shut down - no problem, that's capitalism. If SOE buys MxO, still no problem. BTW, it still does not mean MxO is now a success. It simply means SOE is doing what Turbine did with AC2. Turbine simply used the profits from AC1 to keep AC2 on life support. SOE has made such insane profits from EQ1, that they can easily keep MxO on life support forever. Easily long enough for them to squeeze out of MxO the amount they paid to buy it up.
4. Anyone who is pro-monopoly, is anti-capitalist. One of the foundations of capitalism is allowing competition to always be present, which keeps all companies on their toes. When this happens the market aka consumer aka customer wins. In any country where there is no capitalism, creativity, innovation, and inventions, stagnate. There is no reason for the single company to make their product better.
There is no way your wish will ever come true. (Blizzzard, and the rest of the other successful mmorpg companies have no reason to sell out to SOE. None of their founders has any history with SOE either.) But I had fun taking the bait, and pointing out its fallicies. I really do hope you understand why monopolies are dangerous.
First of all if you read the thread up until this point you'd know not to take it this serious. It was more along the lines of Why does everyone bash SOE when everything they put their hands on turns gold. OMG OMG NO IT DOESNT THIS GAME AND THAT GAME DID BLAH BLAH.. I dont care who sold out, I dont care about capitalism because its never going to happen but when SOE says sure i'll buy that game its stock market goes up a few points. Thats not because it bought a MMO thats because it makes that worthless POS make money. Some people have said SOE is about making a profit ... well genious REALLY I didnt know any company including gaming companies wanted to make a profit! Thats fresh off the grill news to me. Anyways I hope blizzard doesnt sell out and turbine and whoever else because of them SOE keeps investing in the games worthg investing in Gods & heroes and Pirates of The Burning Sea thats 2 possible mammoths that will take on Warhammer and Age of Conan and the other 15 games coming out.
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He doesn't know what troll means says it to look cool
Enjoy that post count....with your worthless post
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While usually lumped together on this forum, the fact is that different people dislike sony for different reasons - many of which are valid reasons to not do business with them that does not necessarily reflect childism on their part. And, I disagree about the customer service. I dont doubt your experiences have been overall positive, but for many they have not - its one of the major complaints about the company. My own experiences have been horrendous. Even so, I dont equate my own personal experience with everyones - a major assumption and mistake, in my opinion.
When it comes to customer service from them there are also a million factors that go into play. Did the person have a problem in game that made the game IMPOSSIBLE to continue playing? Did the player give SOE a chance before he bailed on the game to never play again. How many SOE haters are just mad because they ran around cursing, insulting and acting against SOE's stated Code of Conduct so they got banned or suspended and this didn't set well with them so they instantly "hate" SOE. I have a friend who hates plasma TV's ... I said why he said because if the bulb breaks it cost 250.00 to fix.... I was like well then I hate cars... if the engine breaks it costs as much as a Plasma TV... Point being theres not always a valid reason for hating something. i'm sure some people have had issues with SOE which may even date many years back but if you have played their current titles there would be no room for complaints.
Now if it took them maybe a week to resolve your in-game issue for EQ or EQ II ... guess what theres 300,000 other people playing which leaves the possibility of 300,000 tickets per game.
Impossible! A large number of accounts are multi- accounts, and mule accounts, and well as farm accounts. If a mmorpg has 300k accounts, it means there are roughly 200k actual physical players (conservative) to 150k actual players (liberal).
Next, the main reason why not only players dislike SOE, but also major gaming magazines, is because SOE has engaged in THE worse ever customer service mess in computer gaming history. It took a successful online game, cSWG, and completly gutted it soo much that it was an entirely different game. All without telling players about it's move. It even sold expansions to said online game right before SOE did this move, which was blatant lying, miss-advertising, false advertising. Getting new buyers to pay for something that would no longer be in the game after they paid for it.
Your post/thread is yet another new thing that I've seen an upstart of - supposivly new posters suddently posting new threads about how great SOE is. Litterally ignoring the gross history of SOE which is still relativly recent. Acting as if SOE has done nothing at all to garner hate form major gaming magazines, news media, as well as players.
I don't mind you, or anyone posting about your own personal experiences with SOE. But it's blatant inaccurate to pretend SOE has done nothing wrong to the majority of other players - which got the attention of major magazines, and news media.
Originally posted by johnmatthais
Originally posted by Gameloading
I like the idea, but not SOE. If I had to pick a company, it would be NCsoft. SOE is not a bad company, but the SOE brand simply doesn't stand for quality. If I see a game that is published by NCsoft that has a monthly fee (its free games aren't as good), then I know I get a high quality online game. Lineage, Lineage 2, City of Heroes, Guild Wars. With SOE, i don't get that same feeling, Its either a good game (Everquest 2) or a bad game (Current state SWG).
oh contrare, NCSoft makes extremely grindy games (Lineage, Lineage 2, Guild Wars...CoX doesn't even have PvP...) whereas SOE has games that actually have content (EQ1 has 14 expansions, beat that) and don't revolve around how many monsters you kill...so, overall, SOE has better games by what consumers want but...people hate SOE directly because of SWG...which they should just get over and move on...
I cannot believe you said that?!? EQ1 doesn't revolve around how many MOBs one kills? EQ1 is not an extreemly grindy game?!? Aright, it's time you walked the walk - post some ingame screenshots of you playing EQ1, Lin1 or Lin2and any other mmorpg so we all know for sure you are experienced in playing mmorpgs. And thus in position to compare mmorpgs, and post what they are about....
Okay I was going to let his money post go without replying .... but since i'm bored and we go back to GREED OVER VISION
I got to say this THE ONLY MMOS ON THE MARKEY WITH ANY VISION thaT DIFFERS some what
Anarchy Online, City of Heroes, Ultima Online & EVE ... thats it the others are very similar .... |
Ultima refuses to go 3D they even canceled their awsonme looking 3d version to continue expansions for 2d? WHY RICHARD GARRIOT who went to my high school and lived in my old apartment... WHY yeah thats right im a fan of his because that man HAS VISION. Encase you dont know he;s the designer behind Tabula Rasa !!! FTW He left UO after disagreements with EA and started doing his own thing.
Anarchy Online... yeah look at that playerbase from VISION OF TRYING TO BE UNIQUE!
City of Heroes... hey it might be a grind fest but using super powers has its perks when you spent years and years hack and slashing with swords....
EVE ... you fly outter space and PVP.... is there anything else to this I never tried even though i've seen it for sale at 3.99 a few times...
SO would someone tell me how WOW,EQ,AC,LOTRO,D&D,EQ II,DaoC is REALLY DIFFERENT
DAoC has RVR thats it...
Vision that piece of info....
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He doesn't know what troll means says it to look cool
Enjoy that post count....with your worthless post
I guess OP post count started higher than 1.
Troll = you. DEFINED.
You and your little TROLLING 1 line comments ... and no when I started this thread I only had 1 post... I just really like to talk ... will you talk to me... can we be friends????
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SWG was changed. why? because SOE saw how good Blizz was doing. SOE was greedy. it wanted money. business teaches you that if you cant beat em join em. they did just that. a complete overhaul of the game that was skill based and turned into into class based. again SOE is trying to get some of WoW's success (as many companies are).
dont give me that vision crap. SOE is by far the worst offender
MMO wish list:
-Changeable worlds -Solid non level based game -Sharks with lasers attached to their heads
All companies are greedy and want money ... thats what they were taught in business... make a profit or you arnt a very good business... Wow got lucky ... WOW was a work of a mastermind .... I dont think anyone can imagine how great WOW did and im sure more games then just SOE Games made changes to try to keep players when WoW has 10 million and most good MMO's have 100-300,000 .... what do you expect. THAT GOES BACK TO LOGIC!!! and it was the NAY SAYERS THAT SAID SOE HAS NO VISION LIKE OTHER GAMES!!! so pass that vision line on them them.
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this has turned ugly. i suggest just drop it and move on. if you cant talk about games without getting all pissed and offended then you need to go do something else
china doesn't have 52% of the world's population....maybe like 5 or 6% (with a max of 9%, cuz i'm really not sure) with India right behind it...but between China, Korea and Japan, you have about 70-80% of all MMO players
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When your done Trolling, perhaps you'd like to read my earlier reply.
When you have virtually no competition, its easy to brasenly say that. I suppose this all breaks down to what classes as an MMO company. A company that releases/sponsors multiple MMO's? Or one that sponsors one MMO? Breaking it further down the question I come to is, quality or quantity? Becuase SoE sure as hell dont hit the mark for quality.
How is that offensive? Sure, its errornous, China has around 20% of the worlds population. But saying there are more french then english is by no means discriminatory.
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I have been workign on my own company dealing in international trade I did state one word wrong but I wasnt that wrong ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asia
Asia has 60% of the words population beign at 4 BILLION and china has 1 BILLIOn america has closer to 500 MILLION. Geez I said thousand LOL
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Games Played(-Above):WoW,MXO,GW(beta),RFO,ArchLord,V:SOH,Rappelz,Ryzom,DDO
Games I felt were a rip-off: DDO,ArchLord,V:SOH - all newer how ironic
ah, ok, that cleared it up
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I do too, but that's just because I have an SOE all-access pass.
MMO games played or tested: EQ, DAoC, Archlord, Auto Assault, CoH, CoV, EQ2, EVE, Guild Wars, Hellgate: London, Linneage II, LOTRO, MxO, Planetside, SWG, Sword of the New World, Tabula Rasa, Vanguard, WWIIOL, WOW, Age of Conan
Meh, missreading errors ftl.
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godpuppet, honestly, i wouldn't be surprised, you wouldn't imagine what we did to our school page that stuck for about 2 months when mods finally realized it had happened, hehe
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Heh, wiki is right.
I fell into the trap off closed mindedness, assuming that wiki was china not asia. I need more Tea. >.<
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close mindedness?? I said I stated a word wrong meaning I meant Asia but I said China even though china is still 700-900 Million bigger than the US. meaning theres a high chance of more people playing. Oh encase anyone disagrees stating theres more people in a country so more people play games is not raciest it's logic FTW
Sure has been a good conversation thus far!
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Games Played(-Above):WoW,MXO,GW(beta),RFO,ArchLord,V:SOH,Rappelz,Ryzom,DDO
Games I felt were a rip-off: DDO,ArchLord,V:SOH - all newer how ironic
Asias a big place, saying that afore mentioned statement is somewhat like mistaking Europe for France. Anyway, I removed my statement due Fear of the overzealous moderators on these boards.
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1. How come you don't mention the many times entire communities, towns, and states, have kicked Wal-Mart OUT? Or not allowed Wal-Mart to set up shop? Hmmmm?
2. The same reason townspeople have kicked Wal-Mart out, or not allowed a Wal-Mart to open up is the same reason why SOE should not be allowed to own every mmorpg, or even the majority of mmorpgs. Which is the same reason MicroSoft has proven why having a monopoly is more bad than good. It all goes back to the Rockerfeller family back when they owned Standard Oil, having such a monopoly that they had as much power as the President of America.
3. MxO is simply one mmorpg. VG is simply another mmorpg. So what if SOE purchased 2 mmorpgs? BTW, SOE actually unofficially purchased only one - MxO. The main guy behind VG always had a history with SOE. He did the exact same thing with the first mmorpg he was behind - EQ. And EQ was a runaway hit from the getgo. Those who study buisness would classify him as the definition of an American sellout, twice in a row. There is far more to his background that you have shown that you are not aware about.
So SOE purchased 1 failling mmorpg. There are roughly 30 mmorpgs out. Not much of a dent in terms of owning the majority of the mmorpg market games. (Talking about number of mmorpgs owned. Not number of subcribers.) If MxO had been allowed to shut down - no problem, that's capitalism. If SOE buys MxO, still no problem. BTW, it still does not mean MxO is now a success. It simply means SOE is doing what Turbine did with AC2. Turbine simply used the profits from AC1 to keep AC2 on life support. SOE has made such insane profits from EQ1, that they can easily keep MxO on life support forever. Easily long enough for them to squeeze out of MxO the amount they paid to buy it up.
4. Anyone who is pro-monopoly, is anti-capitalist. One of the foundations of capitalism is allowing competition to always be present, which keeps all companies on their toes. When this happens the market aka consumer aka customer wins. In any country where there is no capitalism, creativity, innovation, and inventions, stagnate. There is no reason for the single company to make their product better.
There is no way your wish will ever come true. (Blizzzard, and the rest of the other successful mmorpg companies have no reason to sell out to SOE. None of their founders has any history with SOE either.) But I had fun taking the bait, and pointing out its fallicies. I really do hope you understand why monopolies are dangerous.
Just because a few people enjoy a game does not mean its good quality, look at the facts soe is a greedy company and if you respect that then your just another mindless soul who doesnt think for themselves, just like politicians and big money cooperations soe are masters of manipulation, just because you didnt experience some of the dark side of soe does not mean the majority have not, I have been there since eq1 and yes there games can be fun but soe has ruined my fun in every mmorpg I have played for them.
Do you Honestly believe soe has vision? Do you really think they care about the quality of there games? I am sorry friend but they do not and sooner or later there will be companys to do have vision and will show us what a true mmorpg is just wait and see.
I respect your opinion but you need to realize that there is a reason why so many people are disgusted by soe and tired of being ripped off by them, real life experience and opinions are very differant and I do not see why these many people would make such things up about soe if they where not true.
1. How come you don't mention the many times entire communities, towns, and states, have kicked Wal-Mart OUT? Or not allowed Wal-Mart to set up shop? Hmmmm?
2. The same reason townspeople have kicked Wal-Mart out, or not allowed a Wal-Mart to open up is the same reason why SOE should not be allowed to own every mmorpg, or even the majority of mmorpgs. Which is the same reason MicroSoft has proven why having a monopoly is more bad than good. It all goes back to the Rockerfeller family back when they owned Standard Oil, having such a monopoly that they had as much power as the President of America.
3. MxO is simply one mmorpg. VG is simply another mmorpg. So what if SOE purchased 2 mmorpgs? BTW, SOE actually unofficially purchased only one - MxO. The main guy behind VG always had a history with SOE. He did the exact same thing with the first mmorpg he was behind - EQ. And EQ was a runaway hit from the getgo. Those who study buisness would classify him as the definition of an American sellout, twice in a row. There is far more to his background that you have shown that you are not aware about.
So SOE purchased 1 failling mmorpg. There are roughly 30 mmorpgs out. Not much of a dent in terms of owning the majority of the mmorpg market games. (Talking about number of mmorpgs owned. Not number of subcribers.) If MxO had been allowed to shut down - no problem, that's capitalism. If SOE buys MxO, still no problem. BTW, it still does not mean MxO is now a success. It simply means SOE is doing what Turbine did with AC2. Turbine simply used the profits from AC1 to keep AC2 on life support. SOE has made such insane profits from EQ1, that they can easily keep MxO on life support forever. Easily long enough for them to squeeze out of MxO the amount they paid to buy it up.
4. Anyone who is pro-monopoly, is anti-capitalist. One of the foundations of capitalism is allowing competition to always be present, which keeps all companies on their toes. When this happens the market aka consumer aka customer wins. In any country where there is no capitalism, creativity, innovation, and inventions, stagnate. There is no reason for the single company to make their product better.
There is no way your wish will ever come true. (Blizzzard, and the rest of the other successful mmorpg companies have no reason to sell out to SOE. None of their founders has any history with SOE either.) But I had fun taking the bait, and pointing out its fallicies. I really do hope you understand why monopolies are dangerous.
First of all if you read the thread up until this point you'd know not to take it this serious. It was more along the lines of Why does everyone bash SOE when everything they put their hands on turns gold. OMG OMG NO IT DOESNT THIS GAME AND THAT GAME DID BLAH BLAH.. I dont care who sold out, I dont care about capitalism because its never going to happen but when SOE says sure i'll buy that game its stock market goes up a few points. Thats not because it bought a MMO thats because it makes that worthless POS make money. Some people have said SOE is about making a profit ... well genious REALLY I didnt know any company including gaming companies wanted to make a profit! Thats fresh off the grill news to me. Anyways I hope blizzard doesnt sell out and turbine and whoever else because of them SOE keeps investing in the games worthg investing in Gods & heroes and Pirates of The Burning Sea thats 2 possible mammoths that will take on Warhammer and Age of Conan and the other 15 games coming out.
Games Enjoyed: UO,EQ,AC,EQ2,COX,LOTRO
Games Played(-Above):WoW,MXO,GW(beta),RFO,ArchLord,V:SOH,Rappelz,Ryzom,DDO
Games I felt were a rip-off: DDO,ArchLord,V:SOH - all newer how ironic
Troll thread is fail.
Enjoy that post count....with your worthless post
Games Enjoyed: UO,EQ,AC,EQ2,COX,LOTRO
Games Played(-Above):WoW,MXO,GW(beta),RFO,ArchLord,V:SOH,Rappelz,Ryzom,DDO
Games I felt were a rip-off: DDO,ArchLord,V:SOH - all newer how ironic
i recon the size of proSOE/antiSOE threads shows you how much people care/hate SOE. but at the end of the day all SOE wants is money
MMO wish list:
-Changeable worlds
-Solid non level based game
-Sharks with lasers attached to their heads
Yep but people dont want to consider that possibility that soe chooses greed over vision.
Enjoy that post count....with your worthless post
I guess OP post count started higher than 1.Troll = you. DEFINED.
When it comes to customer service from them there are also a million factors that go into play. Did the person have a problem in game that made the game IMPOSSIBLE to continue playing? Did the player give SOE a chance before he bailed on the game to never play again. How many SOE haters are just mad because they ran around cursing, insulting and acting against SOE's stated Code of Conduct so they got banned or suspended and this didn't set well with them so they instantly "hate" SOE. I have a friend who hates plasma TV's ... I said why he said because if the bulb breaks it cost 250.00 to fix.... I was like well then I hate cars... if the engine breaks it costs as much as a Plasma TV... Point being theres not always a valid reason for hating something. i'm sure some people have had issues with SOE which may even date many years back but if you have played their current titles there would be no room for complaints.
Now if it took them maybe a week to resolve your in-game issue for EQ or EQ II ... guess what theres 300,000 other people playing which leaves the possibility of 300,000 tickets per game.
Impossible! A large number of accounts are multi- accounts, and mule accounts, and well as farm accounts. If a mmorpg has 300k accounts, it means there are roughly 200k actual physical players (conservative) to 150k actual players (liberal).
Next, the main reason why not only players dislike SOE, but also major gaming magazines, is because SOE has engaged in THE worse ever customer service mess in computer gaming history. It took a successful online game, cSWG, and completly gutted it soo much that it was an entirely different game. All without telling players about it's move. It even sold expansions to said online game right before SOE did this move, which was blatant lying, miss-advertising, false advertising. Getting new buyers to pay for something that would no longer be in the game after they paid for it.
Your post/thread is yet another new thing that I've seen an upstart of - supposivly new posters suddently posting new threads about how great SOE is. Litterally ignoring the gross history of SOE which is still relativly recent. Acting as if SOE has done nothing at all to garner hate form major gaming magazines, news media, as well as players.
I don't mind you, or anyone posting about your own personal experiences with SOE. But it's blatant inaccurate to pretend SOE has done nothing wrong to the majority of other players - which got the attention of major magazines, and news media.
oh contrare, NCSoft makes extremely grindy games (Lineage, Lineage 2, Guild Wars...CoX doesn't even have PvP...) whereas SOE has games that actually have content (EQ1 has 14 expansions, beat that) and don't revolve around how many monsters you kill...so, overall, SOE has better games by what consumers want but...people hate SOE directly because of SWG...which they should just get over and move on...
I cannot believe you said that?!? EQ1 doesn't revolve around how many MOBs one kills? EQ1 is not an extreemly grindy game?!? Aright, it's time you walked the walk - post some ingame screenshots of you playing EQ1, Lin1 or Lin2and any other mmorpg so we all know for sure you are experienced in playing mmorpgs.
And thus in position to compare mmorpgs, and post what they are about....
Okay I was going to let his money post go without replying .... but since i'm bored and we go back to GREED OVER VISION
I got to say this THE ONLY MMOS ON THE MARKEY WITH ANY VISION thaT DIFFERS some what
Anarchy Online, City of Heroes, Ultima Online & EVE ... thats it the others are very similar .... |
Ultima refuses to go 3D they even canceled their awsonme looking 3d version to continue expansions for 2d? WHY RICHARD GARRIOT who went to my high school and lived in my old apartment... WHY yeah thats right im a fan of his because that man HAS VISION. Encase you dont know he;s the designer behind Tabula Rasa !!! FTW He left UO after disagreements with EA and started doing his own thing.
Anarchy Online... yeah look at that playerbase from VISION OF TRYING TO BE UNIQUE!
City of Heroes... hey it might be a grind fest but using super powers has its perks when you spent years and years hack and slashing with swords....
EVE ... you fly outter space and PVP.... is there anything else to this I never tried even though i've seen it for sale at 3.99 a few times...
SO would someone tell me how WOW,EQ,AC,LOTRO,D&D,EQ II,DaoC is REALLY DIFFERENT
DAoC has RVR thats it...
Vision that piece of info....
Games Enjoyed: UO,EQ,AC,EQ2,COX,LOTRO
Games Played(-Above):WoW,MXO,GW(beta),RFO,ArchLord,V:SOH,Rappelz,Ryzom,DDO
Games I felt were a rip-off: DDO,ArchLord,V:SOH - all newer how ironic
Enjoy that post count....with your worthless post
I guess OP post count started higher than 1.Troll = you. DEFINED.
You and your little TROLLING 1 line comments ... and no when I started this thread I only had 1 post... I just really like to talk ... will you talk to me... can we be friends????
Games Enjoyed: UO,EQ,AC,EQ2,COX,LOTRO
Games Played(-Above):WoW,MXO,GW(beta),RFO,ArchLord,V:SOH,Rappelz,Ryzom,DDO
Games I felt were a rip-off: DDO,ArchLord,V:SOH - all newer how ironic
Sariah, you sir are a Troll, I think ill refer to my siggy and bail out of this thread.
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i will vision that piece of info.
SWG was changed. why? because SOE saw how good Blizz was doing. SOE was greedy. it wanted money. business teaches you that if you cant beat em join em. they did just that. a complete overhaul of the game that was skill based and turned into into class based. again SOE is trying to get some of WoW's success (as many companies are).
dont give me that vision crap. SOE is by far the worst offender
MMO wish list:
-Changeable worlds
-Solid non level based game
-Sharks with lasers attached to their heads
All companies are greedy and want money ... thats what they were taught in business... make a profit or you arnt a very good business... Wow got lucky ... WOW was a work of a mastermind .... I dont think anyone can imagine how great WOW did and im sure more games then just SOE Games made changes to try to keep players when WoW has 10 million and most good MMO's have 100-300,000 .... what do you expect. THAT GOES BACK TO LOGIC!!! and it was the NAY SAYERS THAT SAID SOE HAS NO VISION LIKE OTHER GAMES!!! so pass that vision line on them them.
Games Enjoyed: UO,EQ,AC,EQ2,COX,LOTRO
Games Played(-Above):WoW,MXO,GW(beta),RFO,ArchLord,V:SOH,Rappelz,Ryzom,DDO
Games I felt were a rip-off: DDO,ArchLord,V:SOH - all newer how ironic