Would be nice if SOE owned some rights to every MMO on the market kind of like Wal-Mart owns basically every cities discount everything section. OMG NO WAY!! why would I say that? 1.) SOE is a established professional company who helps even games that are undeveloped [Vangard:SOH] build itself a tid bit.
2.) SOE's customer service is good, Other than one occurance they have never knocked me around and the one occurance recently where I was charged I spoke to someone this morning and was refunded. Thats one serious issue since 1999.
3.) People who hate SOE and like to spam forums about how bad SOE is will not participate in MMO's making the communities less childish.
4.) Every game that comes out will have a huge financial backing there fore cannot flop like Vangard did. (SOE did not develop VG nor are the PoTBS)
5.) Every MMO ever created would be on the access account
6.) When SOE buys a dying MMO like Matrix Online it re-establish's it with it's developers, advertisement, and Sony Access. Anyone who might never play matrix online if they have a access acount and are bored of EQ2 all they have to do is log in and play MxO. MxO would not be here right now if it wasn't for SOE. Crazy ?
7.) Last but not least... There would only be like 10 MMO's not 150 140 which are just garbage .....
Wouldn't it be HELLISH if SOE owned some rights to every MMO currently on the market, kind of like Bill Gates & Microsoft owns shares in virtually every competing operating software company before buying them up outright. Isnt windows so great?
Why would I say that?
1.) After spending 6 figure sums on its last two home made MMO's, SoE has realised its series of blunders has caused a shortfall in what could have been a momentous profit margine. One assumes merely by their current status of 'buying & milking' dieing MMO's that they're in a state of profit decline. While buying a declining MMO might keep it alive for a short time, its important to take into account the fact that this comes at a price with SoE, for example, sacking all the developers. Planetside's most recent patch for instance, is just a batching together of old beta features that never made it to retail.
"But they do have developers it says here on the website"
SoE manages its Developers across multiple titles, allowing them to boast a large team when in actual fact 90% of their time might be spent on another title.
2.) SoE has recieved abysmal reports for its customer service. But then one has to take into account the size and scope of the teams service, im not completely unfair . Covering several MMO's with both call centres and ingame support. I cannot in all accounts say they have good support, they have decent support that does any job which doesnt require any expense on SoE's part. IMO to bill a customer without their consent is woefully unproffesional and should be remedied with an investigation and a public apology to these issues. But will it happen? No, because SoE never makes mistakes!
3.) SoE has gained a notorious reputation for its actions. To assume peoples rants and raves of negativativity towards SoE are based on fabrications is frankly disrespectful towards humanity. Lest to say, people are not upset unless aggravated. At some point, there was an issue that annoyed a said person. From support, to bad billing, to shitty games, to bad expansions, to price upsets, anything. The overriding issue I tend to notice with SoE is there are not just one or two minor issues, there are many of them, which mount up and end with a very disgruntled and annoyed customer. Lest to say, if SoE were doing their job right, people wouldnt complain.
4.) We assume SoE has financial backing, but what we dont take into consideration is that Smedly works under review by Sony. He has specific deadlines to meet, he has to manage his companys cost/profit ratio to meet Sony's demands. So yes, while he may have cash there, he may not necessarily be able to use it.
But then again, we look at the past MMO's financed and developed by SoE, Star Wars Galaxies and Everquest II. Both were closed beta tested, and both times testers warned SoE that the game wasnt ready for retail. Yet both games released as buggy contentless MMO's which went on to hinder their profits as customers were displeased. Tell me why a company with such huge financial backing would allow games to release in an incomplete condition when they can afford to maintain the game and tweak it to a state of readiness? It perplexes me. I continue, both games spent their first year accepting money from their customers so they could play a Beta stage game. Now after two years EQ2 has reached a bug-free content-rich condition but it still has major flaws that need to be resolved. I think ill leave SWG out of the subject so we dont get bombarded by Trolls.
Also on this subject, I should add, take note of the amount of expansions SoE releases on its games. EQ2 is in its 3rd expansion now? content which, some was promised for release. This is an issue that frustrates me in person. SoE see's patches merely to fix bugs and expansions for new content. Another way of milking money from us, where as there are other games that can offer comparable amounts of content for no extra cost.
5.) With every game ever being created added to the Station price, SoE will only increase the price. $50? $60? $100 a month?
6.) When SoE buys up a company it sacks half its staff and milks it. Just look at Planetside. Matrix Online is currently in a state of minimal development. The game is dieing, there hasnt been a trial program for it since SoE bought it, which means a very small amount of new players. The few that do go out to bestbuy to pickup a copy, will find themselves bored with the small number of other new players and by the lack of new content being added for it.
7.) And lastly, if SoE owned all the MMO's on the market, it would hold a monopoly. Meaning no competition. This would allow SoE to act as it wishes without fear of reprisals. It could make you pay $20 a month it could stop pro-retail development. Heck it could even stop customer support. Why would SoE care if it owns everything. What you should keep in mind, as the past has shown this to be true. If SoE could do something to make a little extra cash at your expense, it WOULD do it and your posts of complaint on their forums would be deleted and you would be banned.
SoE is a company that revolves entirely around money. Now im not completely ignorant of the fact companys exist to make money. But there are companys, like Blizzard for an off the top of my head example, that revolve not just around money but around quality games and their fans. Until SoE's ideals change, I will not stop hating SoE.
Godpuppet, said all that needed to be said in this thread. It's funny how you managed to overlook his entire post.
In War - Victory. In Peace - Vigilance. In Death - Sacrifice.
He doesn't know what troll means says it to look cool
Enjoy that post count....with your worthless post
I guess OP post count started higher than 1.
Troll = you. DEFINED.
You and your little TROLLING 1 line comments ... and no when I started this thread I only had 1 post... I just really like to talk ... will you talk to me... can we be friends????
Sure lets be friends. Lets not, however, forget the real reason this thread exists.
You posted your opinion about games. Thats what we do, thats why we have forums. I dont know about owning or participating in all games, but I like SOE, and I have thought the same thing about your original topic. I would love it if i only had one subscription fee, because i have an access account. But I would never say that here.
You posted it in a forum that is accessible to people with differing opinions, and the reason you did that was to get a reaction. Simple as that. YOU KNEW FULL WELL THAT POSTING THIS HERE WOULD START A FLAME STORM AND YOU LOVE IT. And you should. Its fun. But that is a textbook definition of a troll post. There was no other reason in your mind to post this "out loud", other than that. So you really should stop being so emotional and just let it happen.
Would be nice if SOE owned some rights to every MMO on the market kind of like Wal-Mart owns basically every cities discount everything section. OMG NO WAY!! why would I say that?
1.) SOE is a established professional company who helps even games that are undeveloped [Vangard:SOH] build itself a tid bit.
2.) SOE's customer service is good, Other than one occurance they have never knocked me around and the one occurance recently where I was charged I spoke to someone this morning and was refunded. Thats one serious issue since 1999.
3.) People who hate SOE and like to spam forums about how bad SOE is will not participate in MMO's making the communities less childish.
4.) Every game that comes out will have a huge financial backing there fore cannot flop like Vangard did. (SOE did not develop VG nor are the PoTBS)
5.) Every MMO ever created would be on the access account
6.) When SOE buys a dying MMO like Matrix Online it re-establish's it with it's developers, advertisement, and Sony Access. Anyone who might never play matrix online if they have a access acount and are bored of EQ2 all they have to do is log in and play MxO. MxO would not be here right now if it wasn't for SOE. Crazy ?
7.) Last but not least... There would only be like 10 MMO's not 150 140 which are just garbage .....
Your point has some huge, major, flaws:
1. How come you don't mention the many times entire communities, towns, and states, have kicked Wal-Mart OUT? Or not allowed Wal-Mart to set up shop? Hmmmm?
2. The same reason townspeople have kicked Wal-Mart out, or not allowed a Wal-Mart to open up is the same reason why SOE should not be allowed to own every mmorpg, or even the majority of mmorpgs. Which is the same reason MicroSoft has proven why having a monopoly is more bad than good. It all goes back to the Rockerfeller family back when they owned Standard Oil, having such a monopoly that they had as much power as the President of America.
3. MxO is simply one mmorpg. VG is simply another mmorpg. So what if SOE purchased 2 mmorpgs? BTW, SOE actually unofficially purchased only one - MxO. The main guy behind VG always had a history with SOE. He did the exact same thing with the first mmorpg he was behind - EQ. And EQ was a runaway hit from the getgo. Those who study buisness would classify him as the definition of an American sellout, twice in a row. There is far more to his background that you have shown that you are not aware about.
So SOE purchased 1 failling mmorpg. There are roughly 30 mmorpgs out. Not much of a dent in terms of owning the majority of the mmorpg market games. (Talking about number of mmorpgs owned. Not number of subcribers.) If MxO had been allowed to shut down - no problem, that's capitalism. If SOE buys MxO, still no problem. BTW, it still does not mean MxO is now a success. It simply means SOE is doing what Turbine did with AC2. Turbine simply used the profits from AC1 to keep AC2 on life support. SOE has made such insane profits from EQ1, that they can easily keep MxO on life support forever. Easily long enough for them to squeeze out of MxO the amount they paid to buy it up.
4. Anyone who is pro-monopoly, is anti-capitalist. One of the foundations of capitalism is allowing competition to always be present, which keeps all companies on their toes. When this happens the market aka consumer aka customer wins. In any country where there is no capitalism, creativity, innovation, and inventions, stagnate. There is no reason for the single company to make their product better.
There is no way your wish will ever come true. (Blizzzard, and the rest of the other successful mmorpg companies have no reason to sell out to SOE. None of their founders has any history with SOE either.) But I had fun taking the bait, and pointing out its fallicies. I really do hope you understand why monopolies are dangerous.
First of all if you read the thread up until this point you'd know not to take it this serious.
So instead of either attempting counter arguements, backed up by any sources, or proofs... or simply stating your OP was wrong.... you instead say "just don't take my thread seriously" ?
If that is the case, then let this thread die, and sink to page 3,592.
It was more along the lines of Why does everyone bash SOE when everything they put their hands on turns gold.
Please re-read your own original quote on page 1, in the first post. Your first post on page 1 is what defined this thread. And that quote was along the lines of how great it would be if SOE owned every mmorpg.
*side note for you, NOTHING SOE has put their hands on has ever turned to gold.
OMG OMG NO IT DOESNT THIS GAME AND THAT GAME DID BLAH BLAH.. I dont care who sold out,
Sad. So sad. It means you do not have morals, or standards.
I dont care about capitalism
Even more sad. Well, if you live in America, or any free country .... you are free to not care about the foundations of the country you live in. That's the nicest thing that can be said. I get a picture in my head of you being a kid who has never lived on their own, or has never traveled the world (including 3rd world countries) to get a perspective on how great it is to live in a capitalism based country.
because its never going to happen but when SOE says sure i'll buy that game its stock market goes up a few points.
Please post your proof that stocks in MxO went up after SOE purchased it?!?
Thats not because it bought a MMO thats because it makes that worthless POS make money.
Incorrect. EQ, which is the foundation of SOE's online section, was making money before SOE purchased it. SOE actually tried to KILL OFF EQ.EQ made it possible for SOE to exist in the first place, and in the second place be able to create PS (PlanetSide), SWG, and EQ2. SOE is 100% responsible for the former cSWG no longer making as much money as it once was.
Some people have said SOE is about making a profit ... well genious REALLY I didnt know any company including gaming companies wanted to make a profit! Thats fresh off the grill news to me.
You are missing their point. What they specifically mean is SOE puts profits before fun. Profits before innovation. Profits before customer service. Profits before players. The most blatant examples are how SOE tried to kill off EQ, and SWG.
Anyways I hope blizzard doesnt sell out and turbine and whoever else because of them SOE keeps investing in the games worthg investing in Gods & heroes and Pirates of The Burning Sea thats 2 possible mammoths that will take on Warhammer and Age of Conan and the other 15 games coming out.
You do not have to hope. It will never happen. It looks like you are doing something of a turnaround.
Would be nice if SOE owned some rights to every MMO on the market kind of like Wal-Mart owns basically every cities discount everything section. OMG NO WAY!! why would I say that? 1.) SOE is a established professional company who helps even games that are undeveloped [Vangard:SOH] build itself a tid bit.
2.) SOE's customer service is good, Other than one occurance they have never knocked me around and the one occurance recently where I was charged I spoke to someone this morning and was refunded. Thats one serious issue since 1999.
3.) People who hate SOE and like to spam forums about how bad SOE is will not participate in MMO's making the communities less childish.
4.) Every game that comes out will have a huge financial backing there fore cannot flop like Vangard did. (SOE did not develop VG nor are the PoTBS)
5.) Every MMO ever created would be on the access account
6.) When SOE buys a dying MMO like Matrix Online it re-establish's it with it's developers, advertisement, and Sony Access. Anyone who might never play matrix online if they have a access acount and are bored of EQ2 all they have to do is log in and play MxO. MxO would not be here right now if it wasn't for SOE. Crazy ?
7.) Last but not least... There would only be like 10 MMO's not 150 140 which are just garbage .....
Your point has some huge, major, flaws:
1. How come you don't mention the many times entire communities, towns, and states, have kicked Wal-Mart OUT? Or not allowed Wal-Mart to set up shop? Hmmmm?
2. The same reason townspeople have kicked Wal-Mart out, or not allowed a Wal-Mart to open up is the same reason why SOE should not be allowed to own every mmorpg, or even the majority of mmorpgs. Which is the same reason MicroSoft has proven why having a monopoly is more bad than good. It all goes back to the Rockerfeller family back when they owned Standard Oil, having such a monopoly that they had as much power as the President of America.
3. MxO is simply one mmorpg. VG is simply another mmorpg. So what if SOE purchased 2 mmorpgs? BTW, SOE actually unofficially purchased only one - MxO. The main guy behind VG always had a history with SOE. He did the exact same thing with the first mmorpg he was behind - EQ. And EQ was a runaway hit from the getgo. Those who study buisness would classify him as the definition of an American sellout, twice in a row. There is far more to his background that you have shown that you are not aware about.
So SOE purchased 1 failling mmorpg. There are roughly 30 mmorpgs out. Not much of a dent in terms of owning the majority of the mmorpg market games. (Talking about number of mmorpgs owned. Not number of subcribers.) If MxO had been allowed to shut down - no problem, that's capitalism. If SOE buys MxO, still no problem. BTW, it still does not mean MxO is now a success. It simply means SOE is doing what Turbine did with AC2. Turbine simply used the profits from AC1 to keep AC2 on life support. SOE has made such insane profits from EQ1, that they can easily keep MxO on life support forever. Easily long enough for them to squeeze out of MxO the amount they paid to buy it up.
4. Anyone who is pro-monopoly, is anti-capitalist. One of the foundations of capitalism is allowing competition to always be present, which keeps all companies on their toes. When this happens the market aka consumer aka customer wins. In any country where there is no capitalism, creativity, innovation, and inventions, stagnate. There is no reason for the single company to make their product better.
There is no way your wish will ever come true. (Blizzzard, and the rest of the other successful mmorpg companies have no reason to sell out to SOE. None of their founders has any history with SOE either.) But I had fun taking the bait, and pointing out its fallicies. I really do hope you understand why monopolies are dangerous.
First of all if you read the thread up until this point you'd know not to take it this serious.
So instead of either attempting counter arguements, backed up by any sources, or proofs... or simply stating your OP was wrong.... you instead say "just don't take my thread seriously" ?
If that is the case, then let this thread die, and sink to page 3,592.
It was more along the lines of Why does everyone bash SOE when everything they put their hands on turns gold.
Please re-read your own original quote on page 1, in the first post. Your first post on page 1 is what defined this thread. And that quote was along the lines of how great it would be if SOE owned every mmorpg.
*side note for you, NOTHING SOE has put their hands on has ever turned to gold.
OMG OMG NO IT DOESNT THIS GAME AND THAT GAME DID BLAH BLAH.. I dont care who sold out,
Sad. So sad. It means you do not have morals, or standards.
I dont care about capitalism
Even more sad. Well, if you live in America, or any free country .... you are free to not care about the foundations of the country you live in. That's the nicest thing that can be said. I get a picture in my head of you being a kid who has never lived on their own, or has never traveled the world (including 3rd world countries) to get a perspective on how great it is to live in a capitalism based country.
because its never going to happen but when SOE says sure i'll buy that game its stock market goes up a few points.
Please post your proof that stocks in MxO went up after SOE purchased it?!?
Thats not because it bought a MMO thats because it makes that worthless POS make money.
Incorrect. EQ, which is the foundation of SOE's online section, was making money before SOE purchased it. SOE actually tried to KILL OFF EQ.EQ made it possible for SOE to exist in the first place, and in the second place be able to create PS (PlanetSide), SWG, and EQ2. SOE is 100% responsible for the former cSWG no longer making as much money as it once was.
Some people have said SOE is about making a profit ... well genious REALLY I didnt know any company including gaming companies wanted to make a profit! Thats fresh off the grill news to me.
You are missing their point. What they specifically mean is SOE puts profits before fun. Profits before innovation. Profits before customer service. Profits before players. The most blatant examples are how SOE tried to kill off EQ, and SWG.
Anyways I hope blizzard doesnt sell out and turbine and whoever else because of them SOE keeps investing in the games worthg investing in Gods & heroes and Pirates of The Burning Sea thats 2 possible mammoths that will take on Warhammer and Age of Conan and the other 15 games coming out.
You do not have to hope. It will never happen. It looks like you are doing something of a turnaround.
Nothing SOE has ever gone gold?????? REALLY!!!
EQ,EQII & SWG prolly all went gold, Gods & Heroes and Pirates of the Burning sea will go gold (Probably) Gold is only 100,000 copies sold .....
I have no morals or standards??? REALLY!!!
WTH how do SOE have anything to do with me... ooooo because all your game company's are perfect as stated before since they care nothing for money or profit ...........
SOE KILLED EQ??? REALLY!!!!
Up until last year EQ still had 250,00 players
SOE puts Profits before fun??? REALLY!!!!
If the games are so horrible why do some many people play them????? SHOW ME YOUR PROOF THEY PUT PROFITS BEFORE FUN!!! I WANT FACTS, DOCUMENTS!!!!
all you posted is BS opinions a load of crap... stop talking and let this thread die with your dignity
SOE BLANTLY TRIED TO KILL OFF EQ AND SWG??? REALLY!!!
Yeah thats why they produced so many expansions and keep the game alive.... WTF are you talkign about all they have to do is close the game if they dont want it!!! They own it..... Tell me you arn't serious.....
Games Enjoyed: UO,EQ,AC,EQ2,COX,LOTRO Games Played(-Above):WoW,MXO,GW(beta),RFO,ArchLord,V:SOH,Rappelz,Ryzom,DDO Games I felt were a rip-off: DDO,ArchLord,V:SOH - all newer how ironic
Obviously it will never happend and doesn't need to happen but how amazingly did it work. SOE Games
Everquest (Good Large PlayerBase, One of the greatest games)
Everquest 2 (Good Large Playerbase, one of the greatest games)
StarWars Galaxies (Decent large playerbase)
Matrix Online (decent)
Vangard Saga of Heroes (SOE is helping Re-Build)
PlanetSide (Good and large playerbase from what I hear)
Pirates of the Burning Sea (Coming Soon) One of the most antisapated
Gods & Heroes (Coming Soon) One of the most antisapated
The Agency (Coming Soon) NCSOFT
Lineage (Do people still play this)
Lineage II (Isn't this game Free 2 Play now) The playerbase is down. The gold farmer base is up.
CoX (Good, Large playerbase, lacks new content, zones, boses, story) although the new alien story looks pretty cool
Dungeon Runners (F2P)
AION (Coming Soon) Looks okay
Marvel Universe (Coming soon) I'm looking forward to it EA/Mythic
UO (Good, dated, large playerbase) NOT MYTHIC
DAoC (Good, Large Playerbase, one of the greatest games)
Warhammer (Coming Soon) The most anticipated game Funcom
Anarchy Online (Decent, Mediocre playerbase, F2P every other year)
Age of Conan (Coming Soon) One of the most anticipated Blizzard
World of Warcraft (One of the best MMO's ever, Decent, Extremely large playerbase)
(Nothing on the burner) Turbine
Asherons Call (Good, Dated, a reknowned game)
Asherons Call II (DEAD)
Dungeons & Dragons (Almost Dead)
LOTRO (Good, Large Playerbase) Webzen
Mu Online (Garbage)
Project Wiki (Garbage)
Parfait Station (McDonalds Trainign Video)
SUN (Coming Soon)
Huxley (Coming soon) Now seriously seeing the above game companies and games how can you honestly compare any of them to SOE. Most of them might have 1 popular game and some of them have NO popular games. Some of them might have 1 Anticipated game... and some of them have NO anticipated games. So for all the trolls out there who want to DOWN SOE. Bring the facts to the table or stop posting on my thread.
Little old info, but puts You right track how many player accounts some games have:
well heres the thing. i wouldnt mind soe takin over all mmo's if they do something good like make you pay one monthly fee to play all their mmo's if you bought the game somthin like that. also if they stop screwin with the games and changing them completely like the tend to do (matrix and star wars). if they dont do that i dont see what would be the reason for them to take over.
ncsoft has better games anyway. the only good game soe has is probably everquest2. ncsoft has guildwars, coh and v, lineage2, even dungeon runners is pretty fun and humorous to play. plus they are getting aion and tabula rasa.
Obviously it will never happend and doesn't need to happen but how amazingly did it work. SOE Games
Everquest (Good Large PlayerBase, One of the greatest games)
Everquest 2 (Good Large Playerbase, one of the greatest games)
StarWars Galaxies (Decent large playerbase)
Matrix Online (decent)
Vangard Saga of Heroes (SOE is helping Re-Build)
PlanetSide (Good and large playerbase from what I hear)
Pirates of the Burning Sea (Coming Soon) One of the most antisapated
Gods & Heroes (Coming Soon) One of the most antisapated
The Agency (Coming Soon) NCSOFT
Lineage (Do people still play this)
Lineage II (Isn't this game Free 2 Play now) The playerbase is down. The gold farmer base is up.
CoX (Good, Large playerbase, lacks new content, zones, boses, story) although the new alien story looks pretty cool
Dungeon Runners (F2P)
AION (Coming Soon) Looks okay
Marvel Universe (Coming soon) I'm looking forward to it EA/Mythic
UO (Good, dated, large playerbase) NOT MYTHIC
DAoC (Good, Large Playerbase, one of the greatest games)
Warhammer (Coming Soon) The most anticipated game Funcom
Anarchy Online (Decent, Mediocre playerbase, F2P every other year)
Age of Conan (Coming Soon) One of the most anticipated Blizzard
World of Warcraft (One of the best MMO's ever, Decent, Extremely large playerbase)
(Nothing on the burner) Turbine
Asherons Call (Good, Dated, a reknowned game)
Asherons Call II (DEAD)
Dungeons & Dragons (Almost Dead)
LOTRO (Good, Large Playerbase) Webzen
Mu Online (Garbage)
Project Wiki (Garbage)
Parfait Station (McDonalds Trainign Video)
SUN (Coming Soon)
Huxley (Coming soon) Now seriously seeing the above game companies and games how can you honestly compare any of them to SOE. Most of them might have 1 popular game and some of them have NO popular games. Some of them might have 1 Anticipated game... and some of them have NO anticipated games. So for all the trolls out there who want to DOWN SOE. Bring the facts to the table or stop posting on my thread.
- I like SoE even if I like teasing them a lot such as putting SONY online ENTERTAINMENT to remind them that without the entertainment their online component is nothing.
- My main MMO character, and my hotmail address, and my MMORPG.com account are all linked to my main character, which is a chanter in EQ.
...But trying to trash NCsoft isn't working. I never bother to try Lineage or Lineage II. But either game has more success then all SoE products combined together...even Blizzard look that way with a glimpse of interest in their eyes...
SoE is doing quite well, they improve EQ a LOT. But...they are not doing as well as NCsoft. My favorite MMO is the only NCsoft title you somewhat rate decently, despite the fact it is obviously the best MMO on the market IMO, it doesn't have that big a population...yet it compare to either EQ or EQ2...and it is only the 3rd title for NCsoft; not counting GUILD WAR which you plainly forgot to include for some reason...
SoE is player-based oriented. But by been so, they listen to ALL the player base...and especially the most vocal online component. Listening to FoH is what explains the fact they are the 3rd companie (Blizzard with WoW alone is the first company atm) on the MMO market. Catering to raiders in each and everything they re-work and adjust is a mistake. Raiders are a minority among a minority. But they sure are vocals and master of multiples accounts and mobilisation. It doesn't change the fact, that raiders, are not even 5% of the player base.
EA is about to bypass SoE with WAR unless SoE pulls out something neat...and honestly, and frankly, I don't see that happening. PotBS and G&H are a little off...Pirate is a theme that can't compete with medieval fantasy...and G&H is re-doing the raiding mistake on top of been slightly behing medieval-fantasy on the interest of players. SoE has other titles in the work, and maybe these titles will be neat.
If SoE would have owned the right to CoV, raiding would have been enforced the way CoH has it at release and it would have been amplified, the result would have been a server merging and they would still think it is good. SoE would gain a LOT by understanding the player base; but instead, they seems to be corrupting Blizzard; reducing Blizzard success. But, if the #1 does less good then it should, he still think he rocks...until a competitor beats him. Players don't want to raid. I dunno what is so hard to understand. But it seem to be beyond a dev capacity to understand this.
The perfect analogy to raiding would be the following. In a race, a guy wins. He stumble and crash once during his race, but he still wins. However, he thinks that by crashing and losing 10 seconds, he actually ensure his wins better, so he voluntary crash during all his next races. He may still wins the race, he might be a better athlete and all, but for some reasons, he think that by crashing on the floor, it helps him. Many other racers coppies them. But eventually, a good athlete won't, and he will wins by 5 seconds.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
Sony's customer support was decent, and they treated their players ok as long as it involved money flowing in. Yet even though they admit the NGE issue with the MMO SWG was "A mistake" they have never to this day appologized to the player base they themselves said "We expect to loose about 2-5%, but inside 6 months will have more than recovered from the loss"
They are trying to gobble up every MMO comming to recover customers, and revenue they destroyed with their buisness practices chasing 'potenial playerbases'
Look back before $OE was involved in Vanguard, and how the community there was positioned. Once the announcement came look how the damage control had to begin. Even after they were aboard it wasn't enough to save the title.
Now $OE is announced with FLS for the upcomming Pirates of the Burning Sea, and again we have damage control attempts.
$OE PR and anyone else can say NGE was 2 years ago get over it, and move on. Yet the fact remains there are multiple thousands to tens of thousand to hundreds of thousand angry pissed off former $OE players. Any new MMO with Sony Online attached is going to suffer a bad rap, and negative publicity as a result.
And before you go on about $OE and the games available from them look at what you get: MXO- has how many subs? Planetside is doing how well? Vanguard.. nuff said! SWG has set records and history in MMO's of what not to do. The DC comics game ( under development ) hasn't stired up much hype.
I will never subscribe to annother $OE game again. A real shame now, as I was looking forward to PotBS, and I know there are many others who won't give $OE any money any more either.
Mankind is not limited by imagination, but the courage to reach....
Playing: EVE Online Favorite MMOs: WoW, SWG Pre-cu, Lineage 2, UO, EQ, EVE online Looking forward to: Archeage, Kingdom Under Fire 2 KUF2's Official Website - http://www.kufii.com/ENG/ -
Bzzt! Wrong. CoX definitely has PvP. It first went into the game with the Arenas in Issue 4, and then with the release of City of Villains, four joint PvP zones were added: paragonwiki.com/PvP_Zones
Obviously it will never happend and doesn't need to happen but how amazingly did it work. SOE Games
Everquest (Good Large PlayerBase, One of the greatest games)
Everquest 2 (Good Large Playerbase, one of the greatest games)
StarWars Galaxies (Decent large playerbase)
Matrix Online (decent)
Vangard Saga of Heroes (SOE is helping Re-Build)
PlanetSide (Good and large playerbase from what I hear)
Pirates of the Burning Sea (Coming Soon) One of the most antisapated
Gods & Heroes (Coming Soon) One of the most antisapated
The Agency (Coming Soon) NCSOFT
Lineage (Do people still play this)
Lineage II (Isn't this game Free 2 Play now) The playerbase is down. The gold farmer base is up.
CoX (Good, Large playerbase, lacks new content, zones, boses, story) although the new alien story looks pretty cool
Dungeon Runners (F2P)
AION (Coming Soon) Looks okay
Marvel Universe (Coming soon) I'm looking forward to it EA/Mythic
UO (Good, dated, large playerbase) NOT MYTHIC
DAoC (Good, Large Playerbase, one of the greatest games)
Warhammer (Coming Soon) The most anticipated game Funcom
Anarchy Online (Decent, Mediocre playerbase, F2P every other year)
Age of Conan (Coming Soon) One of the most anticipated Blizzard
World of Warcraft (One of the best MMO's ever, Decent, Extremely large playerbase)
(Nothing on the burner) Turbine
Asherons Call (Good, Dated, a reknowned game)
Asherons Call II (DEAD)
Dungeons & Dragons (Almost Dead)
LOTRO (Good, Large Playerbase) Webzen
Mu Online (Garbage)
Project Wiki (Garbage)
Parfait Station (McDonalds Trainign Video)
SUN (Coming Soon)
Huxley (Coming soon) Now seriously seeing the above game companies and games how can you honestly compare any of them to SOE. Most of them might have 1 popular game and some of them have NO popular games. Some of them might have 1 Anticipated game... and some of them have NO anticipated games. So for all the trolls out there who want to DOWN SOE. Bring the facts to the table or stop posting on my thread.
Little old info, but puts You right track how many player accounts some games have:
Would be nice if SOE owned some rights to every MMO on the market kind of like Wal-Mart owns basically every cities discount everything section. OMG NO WAY!! why would I say that? 1.) SOE is a established professional company who helps even games that are undeveloped [Vangard:SOH] build itself a tid bit.
2.) SOE's customer service is good, Other than one occurance they have never knocked me around and the one occurance recently where I was charged I spoke to someone this morning and was refunded. Thats one serious issue since 1999.
3.) People who hate SOE and like to spam forums about how bad SOE is will not participate in MMO's making the communities less childish.
4.) Every game that comes out will have a huge financial backing there fore cannot flop like Vangard did. (SOE did not develop VG nor are the PoTBS)
5.) Every MMO ever created would be on the access account
6.) When SOE buys a dying MMO like Matrix Online it re-establish's it with it's developers, advertisement, and Sony Access. Anyone who might never play matrix online if they have a access acount and are bored of EQ2 all they have to do is log in and play MxO. MxO would not be here right now if it wasn't for SOE. Crazy ?
7.) Last but not least... There would only be like 10 MMO's not 150 140 which are just garbage .....
You are so naive. 1. They are only helping them self. They know they can get some kind of profit out of it. They are not some kind of saints that go around and "help" dev teams etc. COR-POR-ATI-ON like, sucky, sucky 2 dollar. 2. Dealing with SOE customer service is like being gang banged with no lubrication. 3. You play computer GAMES, you are like soooo mature. *golfclap* 4. Money can buy lot's of things, good game is not one of them. 5. "Get a life" line works well in this case, yeah it's all low, old and shallow but it's just perfect. I really don't wanna know how would you find time to play, I don't know, 3-4 MMOs? 6. Some things are just best left to die. Get over it and move on. 7. Rather have 150 140 trash MMOs, then just 10 trash MMOs.
SoE = doom of MMOs!
Just my humble opinion.
Every time I read your post, I die a little inside...
On the person who said it would be called a monopoly that is wrong.
Law states you cannot hold a monopoly on a brand of game or type. (PERFECT example). EA Sports is the only company with NFL Licenses for teams and players and logos. They are the only Football game on the market now and its not a monopoly based on what the supreme court has said.
Honestly who CARES about all that stuff. All I know is, every time SOE has ever had the rights to a game I played they f'd it up. Really badly. Why would I care about financial backing and all that other crap if the game sucks?
Are you serious??? Have you not read what this thread is about. This is about what games SOE Plays any part in and all the games mentioned are the games SOE PLAYS A PART IN. The ability to read FTW. I swear the illiterate people are just as bad all the hipocrits. Read WTH you are replying to before you waste my time reading this garbage.
actually i was just going off the title ...... "i wish SOE owned every MMO"
some of the post i read, but it was just stuff that i already knew or alrdy heard or didnt wanna read because i know your wrong. I have no clue WHY someone would want to give any rights to this company, they made one of the biggest mistakes in MMO history and thats the SWG:NGE, wile they are repairing their reputation slowly, it still haunts them to this day.
Playing: EVE Online Favorite MMOs: WoW, SWG Pre-cu, Lineage 2, UO, EQ, EVE online Looking forward to: Archeage, Kingdom Under Fire 2 KUF2's Official Website - http://www.kufii.com/ENG/ -
Are you serious??? Have you not read what this thread is about. This is about what games SOE Plays any part in and all the games mentioned are the games SOE PLAYS A PART IN. The ability to read FTW. I swear the illiterate people are just as bad all the hipocrits. Read WTH you are replying to before you waste my time reading this garbage.
actually i was just going off the title ...... "i wish SOE owned every MMO"
some of the post i read, but it was just stuff that i already knew or alrdy heard or didnt wanna read because i know your wrong. I have no clue WHY someone would want to give any rights to this company, they made one of the biggest mistakes in MMO history and thats the SWG:NGE, wile they are repairing their reputation slowly, it still haunts them to this day.
This goes back to common sense. I state this then we make out points and become friends. No reason to have online forum bickering. You cant read the title to a book and instantly disagree with a book because you think you understand what its about. Through the last 97 posts in this thread we have uncovered alot. There have been valid points
Facts! [Through the 97 posts]
Soe has there hands in 3 Games At least that have sold 100,000 to AMERICAN PlayersEQ,EQ II abd SWG (Gone Gold)
SOE has done overhauls to certin games and appearantly messed them up.( IF they owned them all, they wouldnt have to overhaul due to the release of WoW)
SOE would have an american monopoly on MMO's like EA does sports (Court rulled not a form of monopoly)
GOverment is crooked to whoever puts money in their pocket
You cannot instantly assume i'm wrong and your right. SOE wold actually have to own everything before you could ever say SEE I WAS RIGHT.
Lineage I & II Have alot of Foriegn Players ( I couldnt believe it because the the # they have I have never met a gamer who plays it)
WoW is the Asia of MMO's They have 60% of all MMO Players.
Appearantly I'm a Troll because I posted this topic or opinion and due to how ignorant the people who read this forum is they will try to argue with me and that makes me bad....
I admitted this situation will never happen and shouldn't be taken so seriously
No one stated any real facts about why SOE is bad other than they messed up SWG and possibly MxO
MxO was going to close its doors before SOE bought it... Years later its still up.
did I miss anything.
Games Enjoyed: UO,EQ,AC,EQ2,COX,LOTRO Games Played(-Above):WoW,MXO,GW(beta),RFO,ArchLord,V:SOH,Rappelz,Ryzom,DDO Games I felt were a rip-off: DDO,ArchLord,V:SOH - all newer how ironic
that would be called a Monopoly which is illegal. plus ncsoft is better at least they have GOOD mmo's.
Which is a complete biased opinions. Good MMO's to you I for one have dedicated more time and money into SOE and the only game they have I really like is CoX.
Have you noticed how many times you toss arguments aside "because they are only - their- opinions", completely losing out of sight, that you are also only following -your- opinion and even in such a way I'd call it blindly?
I have absolutely no objection when people want to fanboi-ism the forums with virtual love letters and little hearts, but at least be more openminded when it comes to things. A Monopoly is by default a very seriously bad thing, because a monopoly, or involvement as you like to call it, will completely obliterate any competitive actions between MMO's. The MMO market needs absolute and full 100% competition, because competition is the thing, that guarantees evolvement.
If the issue would be like you put it in your opening, we'd all be running Korean Style MMO's.
And my personal opinion. Everything I've played that had Sony above it, or rather, every MMO that had a slight Asian impact is nothing more than a piece of shit MMO that can hardly be called immersive.
that would be called a Monopoly which is illegal. plus ncsoft is better at least they have GOOD mmo's.
Which is a complete biased opinions. Good MMO's to you I for one have dedicated more time and money into SOE and the only game they have I really like is CoX.
Have you noticed how many times you toss arguments aside "because they are only - their- opinions", completely losing out of sight, that you are also only following -your- opinion and even in such a way I'd call it blindly?
I have absolutely no objection when people want to fanboi-ism the forums with virtual love letters and little hearts, but at least be more openminded when it comes to things. A Monopoly is by default a very seriously bad thing, because a monopoly, or involvement as you like to call it, will completely obliterate any competitive actions between MMO's. The MMO market needs absolute and full 100% competition, because competition is the thing, that guarantees evolvement.
If the issue would be like you put it in your opening, we'd all be running Korean Style MMO's.
And my personal opinion. Everything I've played that had Sony above it, or rather, every MMO that had a slight Asian impact is nothing more than a piece of shit MMO that can hardly be called immersive.
I fanboi WAR
NCSOFT ... IS ALL ASIAN MMO's!!!
157-33 Oksan Building, Samsung-Dong-Gangnum-Gu, Seoul, Korea 175-030
So everyone hates the korean grind fests... well lookie lookie... Hey people if you going to disregard my "opinions" then at least be the one to speak with facts...
[EDIT] Also it's already been stated CoX is the only AMERICAN Based MMO they have and the playerbase is 10x lower than the international/ASia MMO's Lineage 1 and 2. If your going to say lineage 1 & 2 arn't bring the proof or dont waste anyones time with your assumption.
BTW Death1942 congrats!!!!!!!!!
Games Enjoyed: UO,EQ,AC,EQ2,COX,LOTRO Games Played(-Above):WoW,MXO,GW(beta),RFO,ArchLord,V:SOH,Rappelz,Ryzom,DDO Games I felt were a rip-off: DDO,ArchLord,V:SOH - all newer how ironic
I'm sure NCsoft is..why is that relevant to the point ? I haven't mentioned NCSoft even once.
Also it's already been stated CoX is the only AMERICAN Based MMO they have and the playerbase is 10x lower than the international/ASia MMO's Lineage 1 and 2. If your going to say lineage 1 & 2 arn't bring the proof or dont waste anyones time with your assumption.
You do really lack a certain finesse in your argumentation. There is no need to ruthlessly trash talk people for replying. Nobody is wasting your time, rather, you are wasting peoples time with this rather stupid idea. Not because SOE is by default a bad company, but because you didn't think through what consequences it would have on the market.
The way you post/reply/write/and (badly)read is enough for me to deduct, that you are a bit of a selfish person, you are also either not very old, or simply very naive.
You are like a child that wants to have a candy and the longer it takes, cries louder and louder. My parents have a decent solution to that. Pants down, over the knee and a beautiful red result.
Comments
Wouldn't it be HELLISH if SOE owned some rights to every MMO currently on the market, kind of like Bill Gates & Microsoft owns shares in virtually every competing operating software company before buying them up outright. Isnt windows so great?
Why would I say that?
1.) After spending 6 figure sums on its last two home made MMO's, SoE has realised its series of blunders has caused a shortfall in what could have been a momentous profit margine. One assumes merely by their current status of 'buying & milking' dieing MMO's that they're in a state of profit decline. While buying a declining MMO might keep it alive for a short time, its important to take into account the fact that this comes at a price with SoE, for example, sacking all the developers. Planetside's most recent patch for instance, is just a batching together of old beta features that never made it to retail.
"But they do have developers it says here on the website"
SoE manages its Developers across multiple titles, allowing them to boast a large team when in actual fact 90% of their time might be spent on another title.
2.) SoE has recieved abysmal reports for its customer service. But then one has to take into account the size and scope of the teams service, im not completely unfair
. Covering several MMO's with both call centres and ingame support. I cannot in all accounts say they have good support, they have decent support that does any job which doesnt require any expense on SoE's part. IMO to bill a customer without their consent is woefully unproffesional and should be remedied with an investigation and a public apology to these issues. But will it happen? No, because SoE never makes mistakes! 
3.) SoE has gained a notorious reputation for its actions. To assume peoples rants and raves of negativativity towards SoE are based on fabrications is frankly disrespectful towards humanity. Lest to say, people are not upset unless aggravated. At some point, there was an issue that annoyed a said person. From support, to bad billing, to shitty games, to bad expansions, to price upsets, anything. The overriding issue I tend to notice with SoE is there are not just one or two minor issues, there are many of them, which mount up and end with a very disgruntled and annoyed customer. Lest to say, if SoE were doing their job right, people wouldnt complain.
4.) We assume SoE has financial backing, but what we dont take into consideration is that Smedly works under review by Sony. He has specific deadlines to meet, he has to manage his companys cost/profit ratio to meet Sony's demands. So yes, while he may have cash there, he may not necessarily be able to use it.
But then again, we look at the past MMO's financed and developed by SoE, Star Wars Galaxies and Everquest II. Both were closed beta tested, and both times testers warned SoE that the game wasnt ready for retail. Yet both games released as buggy contentless MMO's which went on to hinder their profits as customers were displeased. Tell me why a company with such huge financial backing would allow games to release in an incomplete condition when they can afford to maintain the game and tweak it to a state of readiness? It perplexes me. I continue, both games spent their first year accepting money from their customers so they could play a Beta stage game. Now after two years EQ2 has reached a bug-free content-rich condition but it still has major flaws that need to be resolved. I think ill leave SWG out of the subject so we dont get bombarded by Trolls.
Also on this subject, I should add, take note of the amount of expansions SoE releases on its games. EQ2 is in its 3rd expansion now? content which, some was promised for release. This is an issue that frustrates me in person. SoE see's patches merely to fix bugs and expansions for new content. Another way of milking money from us, where as there are other games that can offer comparable amounts of content for no extra cost.
5.) With every game ever being created added to the Station price, SoE will only increase the price. $50? $60? $100 a month?
6.) When SoE buys up a company it sacks half its staff and milks it. Just look at Planetside. Matrix Online is currently in a state of minimal development. The game is dieing, there hasnt been a trial program for it since SoE bought it, which means a very small amount of new players. The few that do go out to bestbuy to pickup a copy, will find themselves bored with the small number of other new players and by the lack of new content being added for it.
7.) And lastly, if SoE owned all the MMO's on the market, it would hold a monopoly. Meaning no competition. This would allow SoE to act as it wishes without fear of reprisals. It could make you pay $20 a month it could stop pro-retail development. Heck it could even stop customer support. Why would SoE care if it owns everything. What you should keep in mind, as the past has shown this to be true. If SoE could do something to make a little extra cash at your expense, it WOULD do it and your posts of complaint on their forums would be deleted and you would be banned.
SoE is a company that revolves entirely around money. Now im not completely ignorant of the fact companys exist to make money. But there are companys, like Blizzard for an off the top of my head example, that revolve not just around money but around quality games and their fans. Until SoE's ideals change, I will not stop hating SoE.
Godpuppet, said all that needed to be said in this thread. It's funny how you managed to overlook his entire post.
In War - Victory.
In Peace - Vigilance.
In Death - Sacrifice.
Enjoy that post count....with your worthless post
I guess OP post count started higher than 1.Troll = you. DEFINED.
You and your little TROLLING 1 line comments ... and no when I started this thread I only had 1 post... I just really like to talk ... will you talk to me... can we be friends????
Sure lets be friends. Lets not, however, forget the real reason this thread exists.
You posted your opinion about games. Thats what we do, thats why we have forums. I dont know about owning or participating in all games, but I like SOE, and I have thought the same thing about your original topic. I would love it if i only had one subscription fee, because i have an access account. But I would never say that here.
You posted it in a forum that is accessible to people with differing opinions, and the reason you did that was to get a reaction. Simple as that. YOU KNEW FULL WELL THAT POSTING THIS HERE WOULD START A FLAME STORM AND YOU LOVE IT. And you should. Its fun. But that is a textbook definition of a troll post. There was no other reason in your mind to post this "out loud", other than that. So you really should stop being so emotional and just let it happen.
So that.... is why you fail.
THREAD OVER
You do not have to hope. It will never happen. It looks like you are doing something of a turnaround.
1. How come you don't mention the many times entire communities, towns, and states, have kicked Wal-Mart OUT? Or not allowed Wal-Mart to set up shop? Hmmmm?
2. The same reason townspeople have kicked Wal-Mart out, or not allowed a Wal-Mart to open up is the same reason why SOE should not be allowed to own every mmorpg, or even the majority of mmorpgs. Which is the same reason MicroSoft has proven why having a monopoly is more bad than good. It all goes back to the Rockerfeller family back when they owned Standard Oil, having such a monopoly that they had as much power as the President of America.
3. MxO is simply one mmorpg. VG is simply another mmorpg. So what if SOE purchased 2 mmorpgs? BTW, SOE actually unofficially purchased only one - MxO. The main guy behind VG always had a history with SOE. He did the exact same thing with the first mmorpg he was behind - EQ. And EQ was a runaway hit from the getgo. Those who study buisness would classify him as the definition of an American sellout, twice in a row. There is far more to his background that you have shown that you are not aware about.
So SOE purchased 1 failling mmorpg. There are roughly 30 mmorpgs out. Not much of a dent in terms of owning the majority of the mmorpg market games. (Talking about number of mmorpgs owned. Not number of subcribers.) If MxO had been allowed to shut down - no problem, that's capitalism. If SOE buys MxO, still no problem. BTW, it still does not mean MxO is now a success. It simply means SOE is doing what Turbine did with AC2. Turbine simply used the profits from AC1 to keep AC2 on life support. SOE has made such insane profits from EQ1, that they can easily keep MxO on life support forever. Easily long enough for them to squeeze out of MxO the amount they paid to buy it up.
4. Anyone who is pro-monopoly, is anti-capitalist. One of the foundations of capitalism is allowing competition to always be present, which keeps all companies on their toes. When this happens the market aka consumer aka customer wins. In any country where there is no capitalism, creativity, innovation, and inventions, stagnate. There is no reason for the single company to make their product better.
There is no way your wish will ever come true. (Blizzzard, and the rest of the other successful mmorpg companies have no reason to sell out to SOE. None of their founders has any history with SOE either.) But I had fun taking the bait, and pointing out its fallicies. I really do hope you understand why monopolies are dangerous.
First of all if you read the thread up until this point you'd know not to take it this serious.
So instead of either attempting counter arguements, backed up by any sources, or proofs... or simply stating your OP was wrong.... you instead say "just don't take my thread seriously" ?
If that is the case, then let this thread die, and sink to page 3,592.
It was more along the lines of Why does everyone bash SOE when everything they put their hands on turns gold.
Please re-read your own original quote on page 1, in the first post. Your first post on page 1 is what defined this thread. And that quote was along the lines of how great it would be if SOE owned every mmorpg.
*side note for you, NOTHING SOE has put their hands on has ever turned to gold.
OMG OMG NO IT DOESNT THIS GAME AND THAT GAME DID BLAH BLAH.. I dont care who sold out,
Sad. So sad. It means you do not have morals, or standards.
I dont care about capitalism
Even more sad. Well, if you live in America, or any free country .... you are free to not care about the foundations of the country you live in. That's the nicest thing that can be said. I get a picture in my head of you being a kid who has never lived on their own, or has never traveled the world (including 3rd world countries) to get a perspective on how great it is to live in a capitalism based country.
because its never going to happen but when SOE says sure i'll buy that game its stock market goes up a few points.
Please post your proof that stocks in MxO went up after SOE purchased it?!?
Thats not because it bought a MMO thats because it makes that worthless POS make money.
Incorrect. EQ, which is the foundation of SOE's online section, was making money before SOE purchased it. SOE actually tried to KILL OFF EQ. EQ made it possible for SOE to exist in the first place, and in the second place be able to create PS (PlanetSide), SWG, and EQ2. SOE is 100% responsible for the former cSWG no longer making as much money as it once was.
Some people have said SOE is about making a profit ... well genious REALLY I didnt know any company including gaming companies wanted to make a profit! Thats fresh off the grill news to me.
You are missing their point. What they specifically mean is SOE puts profits before fun. Profits before innovation. Profits before customer service. Profits before players. The most blatant examples are how SOE tried to kill off EQ, and SWG.
Anyways I hope blizzard doesnt sell out and turbine and whoever else because of them SOE keeps investing in the games worthg investing in Gods & heroes and Pirates of The Burning Sea thats 2 possible mammoths that will take on Warhammer and Age of Conan and the other 15 games coming out.
You do not have to hope. It will never happen. It looks like you are doing something of a turnaround.
Nothing SOE has ever gone gold?????? REALLY!!!
EQ,EQII & SWG prolly all went gold, Gods & Heroes and Pirates of the Burning sea will go gold (Probably) Gold is only 100,000 copies sold .....
I have no morals or standards??? REALLY!!!
WTH how do SOE have anything to do with me... ooooo because all your game company's are perfect as stated before since they care nothing for money or profit ...........
SOE KILLED EQ??? REALLY!!!!
Up until last year EQ still had 250,00 players
SOE puts Profits before fun??? REALLY!!!!
If the games are so horrible why do some many people play them????? SHOW ME YOUR PROOF THEY PUT PROFITS BEFORE FUN!!! I WANT FACTS, DOCUMENTS!!!!
all you posted is BS opinions a load of crap... stop talking and let this thread die with your dignity
SOE BLANTLY TRIED TO KILL OFF EQ AND SWG??? REALLY!!!
Yeah thats why they produced so many expansions and keep the game alive.... WTF are you talkign about all they have to do is close the game if they dont want it!!! They own it..... Tell me you arn't serious.....
Games Enjoyed: UO,EQ,AC,EQ2,COX,LOTRO
Games Played(-Above):WoW,MXO,GW(beta),RFO,ArchLord,V:SOH,Rappelz,Ryzom,DDO
Games I felt were a rip-off: DDO,ArchLord,V:SOH - all newer how ironic
Little old info, but puts You right track how many player accounts some games have:
http://www.mmogchart.com/Chart7.html
MMORPG.COM has worst forum editor ever exists
well heres the thing. i wouldnt mind soe takin over all mmo's if they do something good like make you pay one monthly fee to play all their mmo's if you bought the game somthin like that. also if they stop screwin with the games and changing them completely like the tend to do (matrix and star wars). if they dont do that i dont see what would be the reason for them to take over.
ncsoft has better games anyway. the only good game soe has is probably everquest2. ncsoft has guildwars, coh and v, lineage2, even dungeon runners is pretty fun and humorous to play. plus they are getting aion and tabula rasa.
- I like SoE even if I like teasing them a lot such as putting SONY online ENTERTAINMENT to remind them that without the entertainment their online component is nothing.
- My main MMO character, and my hotmail address, and my MMORPG.com account are all linked to my main character, which is a chanter in EQ.
...But trying to trash NCsoft isn't working. I never bother to try Lineage or Lineage II. But either game has more success then all SoE products combined together...even Blizzard look that way with a glimpse of interest in their eyes...
SoE is doing quite well, they improve EQ a LOT. But...they are not doing as well as NCsoft. My favorite MMO is the only NCsoft title you somewhat rate decently, despite the fact it is obviously the best MMO on the market IMO, it doesn't have that big a population...yet it compare to either EQ or EQ2...and it is only the 3rd title for NCsoft; not counting GUILD WAR which you plainly forgot to include for some reason...
SoE is player-based oriented. But by been so, they listen to ALL the player base...and especially the most vocal online component. Listening to FoH is what explains the fact they are the 3rd companie (Blizzard with WoW alone is the first company atm) on the MMO market. Catering to raiders in each and everything they re-work and adjust is a mistake. Raiders are a minority among a minority. But they sure are vocals and master of multiples accounts and mobilisation. It doesn't change the fact, that raiders, are not even 5% of the player base.
EA is about to bypass SoE with WAR unless SoE pulls out something neat...and honestly, and frankly, I don't see that happening. PotBS and G&H are a little off...Pirate is a theme that can't compete with medieval fantasy...and G&H is re-doing the raiding mistake on top of been slightly behing medieval-fantasy on the interest of players. SoE has other titles in the work, and maybe these titles will be neat.
If SoE would have owned the right to CoV, raiding would have been enforced the way CoH has it at release and it would have been amplified, the result would have been a server merging and they would still think it is good. SoE would gain a LOT by understanding the player base; but instead, they seems to be corrupting Blizzard; reducing Blizzard success. But, if the #1 does less good then it should, he still think he rocks...until a competitor beats him. Players don't want to raid. I dunno what is so hard to understand. But it seem to be beyond a dev capacity to understand this.
The perfect analogy to raiding would be the following. In a race, a guy wins. He stumble and crash once during his race, but he still wins. However, he thinks that by crashing and losing 10 seconds, he actually ensure his wins better, so he voluntary crash during all his next races. He may still wins the race, he might be a better athlete and all, but for some reasons, he think that by crashing on the floor, it helps him. Many other racers coppies them. But eventually, a good athlete won't, and he will wins by 5 seconds.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
Sony's customer support was decent, and they treated their players ok as long as it involved money flowing in. Yet even though they admit the NGE issue with the MMO SWG was "A mistake" they have never to this day appologized to the player base they themselves said "We expect to loose about 2-5%, but inside 6 months will have more than recovered from the loss"
They are trying to gobble up every MMO comming to recover customers, and revenue they destroyed with their buisness practices chasing 'potenial playerbases'
Look back before $OE was involved in Vanguard, and how the community there was positioned. Once the announcement came look how the damage control had to begin. Even after they were aboard it wasn't enough to save the title.
Now $OE is announced with FLS for the upcomming Pirates of the Burning Sea, and again we have damage control attempts.
$OE PR and anyone else can say NGE was 2 years ago get over it, and move on. Yet the fact remains there are multiple thousands to tens of thousand to hundreds of thousand angry pissed off former $OE players. Any new MMO with Sony Online attached is going to suffer a bad rap, and negative publicity as a result.
And before you go on about $OE and the games available from them look at what you get: MXO- has how many subs? Planetside is doing how well? Vanguard.. nuff said! SWG has set records and history in MMO's of what not to do. The DC comics game ( under development ) hasn't stired up much hype.
I will never subscribe to annother $OE game again. A real shame now, as I was looking forward to PotBS, and I know there are many others who won't give $OE any money any more either.
Mankind is not limited by imagination, but the courage to reach....
in before lock
Playing: EVE Online
Favorite MMOs: WoW, SWG Pre-cu, Lineage 2, UO, EQ, EVE online
Looking forward to: Archeage, Kingdom Under Fire 2
KUF2's Official Website - http://www.kufii.com/ENG/ -
Little old info, but puts You right track how many player accounts some games have:
http://www.mmogchart.com/Chart7.html
A more recent one. Remarkable how little has changed lol
http://mmogdata.com/?q=node/12
You are so naive. 1. They are only helping them self. They know they can get some kind of profit out of it. They are not some kind of saints that go around and "help" dev teams etc. COR-POR-ATI-ON like, sucky, sucky 2 dollar. 2. Dealing with SOE customer service is like being gang banged with no lubrication. 3. You play computer GAMES, you are like soooo mature. *golfclap* 4. Money can buy lot's of things, good game is not one of them. 5. "Get a life" line works well in this case, yeah it's all low, old and shallow but it's just perfect. I really don't wanna know how would you find time to play, I don't know, 3-4 MMOs? 6. Some things are just best left to die. Get over it and move on. 7. Rather have 150 140 trash MMOs, then just 10 trash MMOs.
SoE = doom of MMOs!
Just my humble opinion.
On the person who said it would be called a monopoly that is wrong.
Law states you cannot hold a monopoly on a brand of game or type. (PERFECT example). EA Sports is the only company with NFL Licenses for teams and players and logos. They are the only Football game on the market now and its not a monopoly based on what the supreme court has said.
Honestly who CARES about all that stuff. All I know is, every time SOE has ever had the rights to a game I played they f'd it up. Really badly. Why would I care about financial backing and all that other crap if the game sucks?
I also think we should establish a new Deity with Smedly as a God.
actually i was just going off the title ...... "i wish SOE owned every MMO"
some of the post i read, but it was just stuff that i already knew or alrdy heard or didnt wanna read because i know your wrong. I have no clue WHY someone would want to give any rights to this company, they made one of the biggest mistakes in MMO history and thats the SWG:NGE, wile they are repairing their reputation slowly, it still haunts them to this day.
Playing: EVE Online
Favorite MMOs: WoW, SWG Pre-cu, Lineage 2, UO, EQ, EVE online
Looking forward to: Archeage, Kingdom Under Fire 2
KUF2's Official Website - http://www.kufii.com/ENG/ -
erm no not really..
Monopolies are always bring stagnation to the industry and rampant price gouging to the consumer.
SOE is the best company hands down
they saved SWG from pre NGU unbalanced boredom
SWG is only mmorpg i can enjoy now
actually i was just going off the title ...... "i wish SOE owned every MMO"
some of the post i read, but it was just stuff that i already knew or alrdy heard or didnt wanna read because i know your wrong. I have no clue WHY someone would want to give any rights to this company, they made one of the biggest mistakes in MMO history and thats the SWG:NGE, wile they are repairing their reputation slowly, it still haunts them to this day.
This goes back to common sense. I state this then we make out points and become friends. No reason to have online forum bickering. You cant read the title to a book and instantly disagree with a book because you think you understand what its about. Through the last 97 posts in this thread we have uncovered alot. There have been valid points
Facts! [Through the 97 posts]
Soe has there hands in 3 Games At least that have sold 100,000 to AMERICAN PlayersEQ,EQ II abd SWG (Gone Gold)
SOE has done overhauls to certin games and appearantly messed them up.( IF they owned them all, they wouldnt have to overhaul due to the release of WoW)
SOE would have an american monopoly on MMO's like EA does sports (Court rulled not a form of monopoly)
GOverment is crooked to whoever puts money in their pocket
You cannot instantly assume i'm wrong and your right. SOE wold actually have to own everything before you could ever say SEE I WAS RIGHT.
Lineage I & II Have alot of Foriegn Players ( I couldnt believe it because the the # they have I have never met a gamer who plays it)
WoW is the Asia of MMO's They have 60% of all MMO Players.
Appearantly I'm a Troll because I posted this topic or opinion and due to how ignorant the people who read this forum is they will try to argue with me and that makes me bad....
I admitted this situation will never happen and shouldn't be taken so seriously
No one stated any real facts about why SOE is bad other than they messed up SWG and possibly MxO
MxO was going to close its doors before SOE bought it... Years later its still up.
did I miss anything.
Games Enjoyed: UO,EQ,AC,EQ2,COX,LOTRO
Games Played(-Above):WoW,MXO,GW(beta),RFO,ArchLord,V:SOH,Rappelz,Ryzom,DDO
Games I felt were a rip-off: DDO,ArchLord,V:SOH - all newer how ironic
Have you noticed how many times you toss arguments aside "because they are only - their- opinions", completely losing out of sight, that you are also only following -your- opinion and even in such a way I'd call it blindly?
I have absolutely no objection when people want to fanboi-ism the forums with virtual love letters and little hearts, but at least be more openminded when it comes to things. A Monopoly is by default a very seriously bad thing, because a monopoly, or involvement as you like to call it, will completely obliterate any competitive actions between MMO's. The MMO market needs absolute and full 100% competition, because competition is the thing, that guarantees evolvement.
If the issue would be like you put it in your opening, we'd all be running Korean Style MMO's.
And my personal opinion. Everything I've played that had Sony above it, or rather, every MMO that had a slight Asian impact is nothing more than a piece of shit MMO that can hardly be called immersive.
I fanboi WAR
If you are trying to win at having the most posts in a thread then this is the perfect topic!!
100th post FTW!!!!!!
MMO wish list:
-Changeable worlds
-Solid non level based game
-Sharks with lasers attached to their heads
Which is a complete biased opinions. Good MMO's to you I for one have dedicated more time and money into SOE and the only game they have I really like is CoX.
Have you noticed how many times you toss arguments aside "because they are only - their- opinions", completely losing out of sight, that you are also only following -your- opinion and even in such a way I'd call it blindly?
I have absolutely no objection when people want to fanboi-ism the forums with virtual love letters and little hearts, but at least be more openminded when it comes to things. A Monopoly is by default a very seriously bad thing, because a monopoly, or involvement as you like to call it, will completely obliterate any competitive actions between MMO's. The MMO market needs absolute and full 100% competition, because competition is the thing, that guarantees evolvement.
If the issue would be like you put it in your opening, we'd all be running Korean Style MMO's.
And my personal opinion. Everything I've played that had Sony above it, or rather, every MMO that had a slight Asian impact is nothing more than a piece of shit MMO that can hardly be called immersive.
I fanboi WAR
NCSOFT ... IS ALL ASIAN MMO's!!!
157-33 Oksan Building, Samsung-Dong-Gangnum-Gu, Seoul, Korea 175-030
Marketing@lineage.co.kr
Marketing@lineage.co.kr
Inquiries on PR in the Headquarters (South Korea) : document.write('pr'); document.write('@ncsoft.net'); pr@ncsoft.net
So everyone hates the korean grind fests... well lookie lookie... Hey people if you going to disregard my "opinions" then at least be the one to speak with facts...
[EDIT] Also it's already been stated CoX is the only AMERICAN Based MMO they have and the playerbase is 10x lower than the international/ASia MMO's Lineage 1 and 2. If your going to say lineage 1 & 2 arn't bring the proof or dont waste anyones time with your assumption.
BTW Death1942 congrats!!!!!!!!!
Games Enjoyed: UO,EQ,AC,EQ2,COX,LOTRO
Games Played(-Above):WoW,MXO,GW(beta),RFO,ArchLord,V:SOH,Rappelz,Ryzom,DDO
Games I felt were a rip-off: DDO,ArchLord,V:SOH - all newer how ironic
I'm sure NCsoft is..why is that relevant to the point ? I haven't mentioned NCSoft even once.
You do really lack a certain finesse in your argumentation. There is no need to ruthlessly trash talk people for replying. Nobody is wasting your time, rather, you are wasting peoples time with this rather stupid idea. Not because SOE is by default a bad company, but because you didn't think through what consequences it would have on the market.
The way you post/reply/write/and (badly)read is enough for me to deduct, that you are a bit of a selfish person, you are also either not very old, or simply very naive.
You are like a child that wants to have a candy and the longer it takes, cries louder and louder. My parents have a decent solution to that. Pants down, over the knee and a beautiful red result.