I've never been in a guild that did not require a vent "introduction". In some games theres just too much to risk. Someone bad could get in and hurt the clan. Reveal secret info, steal items, sabatage operations etc. When someone runs a line of bull in text it can be hard to see through.
I prefer guilds that take things serious it's my play style. I have been in guilds that PvP that have required people to roll with us come on vent play with us a little see if they got on ok did well and even have to do some duels as a PvP guild it was the best way we was only small but well known and never short of people wanting to join. But then again its my playstyle I don't want to be on vent with a bunch of people or newcomers I cant stand or that are totally clueless.
And because of this I would never join another group just because I feel at home there no retards and no morons its bliss.
I agree. If you have a quality guild you need to ensure that it stays quality so if interviews is the way it's done then so be it. I do think there are better ways to go about interviewing then vent, but to each his own.
Maybe it's just me, but at 20 I don't feel old, nor do I feel stuck in any decade.
I was shanking dragons in Moraff's World and shooting up tigers that looked something like this: "€" in ZZT before many of these "serious gamers" like you, supernerd, were even born..
I was playing Atari 2600 Adventure and Missile Command as early as I can remember..
I was busting it up on zelda and lifeforce, playing RPGs for SNES, and saw the beginning of most of the RTS classics.
I saw the rise and fall of Diablo I, and was playing D2 as soon as I could get my grubby paws on it. I spent years where I'd probably give you better info on your purchase at the game store than the guy at the counter could.
And I can still tell you where just about every special stage is going to be in Sonic 3 and Knuckles.
I've been all over this stuff for years, but apparently I don't have what it takes to be a "serious gamer", because I don't want to voice chat.
I will only use vent (and even this is rare) when playing something like Battlefield 2 where I'm gleefully filling other toons with holes and (yes, this is my actual reason) am too lazy to look up how to text chat so I can talk trash at people I already know in person.
Last i checked I was running a guild of people my own age on Guild Wars, in an alliance with a guild of even older players. I generally play a healer, and have seconds to act between an ally being at full health and dead in many situations. Do we use TS or Vent? er..no. On the occasions that we do use voice, I know the guys in my guild personally, so we just meet up somewhere and play together. Even then, we usually type half the stuff we say anyway, out of habit. Does it make the game harder? not really. See, playing through the era of D2 and later EQ (Anyone remember Infantry? That'd teach you well.) taught some of us to type properly, and quickly. We coordinate our efforts without trouble, and even speak coherent full-length english most of the time. You can learn it too, it's not difficult, and qwerty touchtype doesn't take much time to become reflex.
That said, I'm hardly stuck in the 90's. My PC is consistently able to play the new titles I want it to, I'm usually there when some new title hits the market, and I'm regularly digging into the technical side of the market as well as the entertainment side.
The truth of the matter is, I've experienced voice chat in several games. every time you have all of three generic voices: Pre-Pube/Pubescent kid, Dull and monotonous male, and generic female. Quite honestly, I don't know you in real life, and without that personal contact, you sound just like the six other joes in my guild. I really don't like the sound of your voice, particularly after it's butchered by Member B's blaring Stain'd album and generally poor VoIP quality. With text, I am blessedly free of those annoyances, and I'm probably reading faster than you would be speaking anyhow, which means less chance of me tuning out your less-than-angelic scrape and missing the message anyway.
I can speak from experience when I say that most "guild closeness" any one person may have with their guildmates vaporizes shortly after he or she leaves. It's highly superficial, and method of communication will not change that unless you go out of your way to build a strong personal relationship, which takes plenty of time on an individual level, and would be unheard of on the scale of 50+ people, at which point you could just like... use a phone.
As for interviews, I gotta agree with the "this isn't a job, it's a game" standpoint. When there comes a point when character advancement (the clearly stated point of many MMO's) requires a guild to conduct militant interviewing and reviewing of its members, there's been an error in development. This is no longer a game by any definition of the word, it is work. Most of the endgame activity I have seen was extremely boring. I sat by and was bored to tears while a buddy did some 50 man raiding .. He let me on his char and I was STILL bored to tears as I pretty much just did what monotonous voice B said to over vent. This wasn't fun by any definition of the word, it was just like when I go to work and do what my boss tells me to.
The irony in this is that when I do what my boss tells me, he gives me a paycheck, which I can then go spend on Raiden III or Fantasy Slasher 7 Extreme, which in turn provides me with hours of entertainment. Alternatively I can get something nice for my girlfriend, and get to see her happier, or whatever other fun or beneficial activity I choose. In game, I'm paying them a fee (which means less Fantasy Slasher 7 Extreme action, or no ice cream shake, or whatever else) so that I can follow orders (read: work) and hopefully earn an item or better my character or allies in some way... so that we can more effectively follow orders (read: work) next week. Point is, your need to interview is the sorry result of a flawed system. I'm a fan of alternative activity, like going to play tennis or go bowling or whatever with your friends. Same social enjoyment, plus the added benefits of sunlight and fresh air. Oh, and it isn't a job.
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I hate using voicechat in mmos, because most folks don't even have decent microphone setups. Either they're as quiet as a mouse, despite speaking full volume on their end, or they're so loud you can hear their breathing or chewing. Basically, the noise that comes from voicechat is too much of a hassle. Use standard text scripts plus hilites to know who's who on a party/raid channel instead. Especially if you have text macros assigned for standard calls for heals, debuffs, and aggro wrangling.
Yes seems that somepeople in games are so desesperated or so sexist... cant understand, if you are playing whats the avatar or they person who is in the other side of the screen. Its too funny that this boy justifies the interview saying that they give items to female players... lol! really sexist, but they dont like to give them to men... perhaps they never meet a girl in RL LOL!
Maybe I am just too much of a Feminazi, but that attitude really pulls my chain.
When I played EQ1 I was one of the top clerics on the server, and had a reputation as being "the" cleric to get for raids and hard instances. And that was NOT because I was a girl.
So it really jacks me up when some guild goes out and gives special favors or privileges for girls. It makes all of MY efforts to be good at what I do seem like a waste of time when some wench can just waltz in based solely on how hot she sound on voice chat.
Clans that do not use voice software are not even worth to consider, for various reasons: You'll always do better if you can coordinate your movements through voice than with text chat. I simply hate writing while playing my char, specially when fast action is involved. This is not a chat room, it's a game. Voice is much more personal and helps to avoid misunderstandings. Voice helps to give strength to the bound between all your clan members and create a real friendship faster.
Damn!!
I wonder how I ever made to 75 with nearly 1000 AA and have done all nearly high end content in EQ except for the last expansion pack - and all without any voice chat in the guild at all.
I'd say a good number of corps in eve require coms interviews. Of course in eve, if you let retards into your corp, bad things can happen. In WoW, they just might annoy you in guild chat.
oh! alreay 12 pages about this topic. Here goes mine:
I will talk as a always healer player:
I dont use ventrilo becose I dont speak and dont understand spoken english very well. I can play in writen english, I can read english, and no, I don want to play in my native language, I want to use english becouse this way I can play with everybody. Anyway, sometimes I have joined some groups with ventrilo, I have turned it on and nothing more happens, vent becomes useless, becouse i know whento heal somebody, i know when to buff somebody, and i know when something is going wrong I dont need anybody to tell me anything I have a pair of eyes in my face so I know wahts happening, so for me vent is useless. Anyway I have anothe reason, I have a 5.1 speakers around me in my computer, I took some time placing them strategically so I got a perfect position. I ear all with 3D audio, ¿And now i need to ear you talking about whatever you want to chat and ruin my music and my 3D audio? No thanks.
Just a joke about this:
If you need to tell your healer please heal, or please cast a group heal, then you or your group will die. A healer must cast before things happens, cose when everybody is taking damage, most of the time is too late.
If a haler tells you, I need to use vent so you can tell me when to heal you --> Damn if I were a Tank Ill run far from this guy!
A vent based interview ain't that bad IMHO. If you don't like it I'd say don't join a guild that requires it to get in. It's better then doing blind invites IMHO.
On another not though I've heard and read some of the horror stories of a few EQ1 snobbish raiding guilds. Some of which required you to write a 2-3 page long essays detailing your exploits in the game and how would benefit them if they let you in their guild.
Or worse yet of how certain EQ1 and WoW guilds would basically only give raid loot to their officers and friends first and everyone else would get the shaft/trickle down effect.
Games I've played/tried out:WAR, LOTRO, Tabula Rasa, AoC, EQ1, EQ2, WoW, Vangaurd, FFXI, D&DO, Lineage 2, Saga Of Ryzom, EvE Online, DAoC, Guild Wars,Star Wars Galaxies, Hell Gate London, Auto Assault, Grando Espada ( AKA SoTNW ), Archlord, CoV/H, Star Trek Online, APB, Champions Online, FFXIV, Rift Online, GW2.
Originally posted by PhelanL I'd say a good number of corps in eve require coms interviews. Of course in eve, if you let retards into your corp, bad things can happen. In WoW, they just might annoy you in guild chat.
I have to agree. EvE is one of those games where you really have know and trust who you are letting into your corp. I've read some interesting stories about the back stabbing that goes on in the game. It can get pretty vicious at times.
Games I've played/tried out:WAR, LOTRO, Tabula Rasa, AoC, EQ1, EQ2, WoW, Vangaurd, FFXI, D&DO, Lineage 2, Saga Of Ryzom, EvE Online, DAoC, Guild Wars,Star Wars Galaxies, Hell Gate London, Auto Assault, Grando Espada ( AKA SoTNW ), Archlord, CoV/H, Star Trek Online, APB, Champions Online, FFXIV, Rift Online, GW2.
It seems to be the easy solution to this would be...
Stop giving free stuff to someone because you think they are a girl.
give free stuff to people who can use it and benefit from it.
Not like your going to get lucky with that female elf even if it really is a female on the other side of the screen.
I never understood giving free stuff to someone cus there avatar is hot.
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People who would submit to a live choice chat interview are the kind of people who want to be in a guild who use such methods. I say its a way to weed out people who take the game to seriously to the people who just want to have fun and play.
Conservatism. Just old white men trying to find ways to legalize discrimination, and make the poor poorer
I've never been in a guild that did not require a vent "introduction". In some games theres just too much to risk. Someone bad could get in and hurt the clan. Reveal secret info, steal items, sabatage operations etc. When someone runs a line of bull in text it can be hard to see through.
What, do you have CIA trained audio snoops who can tell if someone is not being truthful over vent? lol
/seriously, i get that, if your guild likes vent, that meeting someone on vent is a must...i mean, if they just don't mesh, then they just don't mesh....but REQUIRING it...i mean, you can get a pretty good idea of a persons personality by what they said, be it via voice or in text.
Realistically, i we all go through an interview when we join a new guild, and we are sort of interviewing that guild too. After a bit, you can both tell if its gonna work out nor not. Don't make the process some sort of official freakshow. Its not a good way to start out.
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omfg you mmo WoW kiddies are such noobs. i don't mean to troll or anything but seriously, interviews? your guild needs a serious reality check. it's a freaking game, who cares! the only way i would ever use vent interviews for a game would be to troll for nerds.
"yea you need to have a vent interview before you get into the clan..."
"oh yea ok that's fine"
"omfg nerd i'm not serious, gtfo"
i'm glad i quit WoW a lonnnng time ago
*edit: to be a little nice, i can see why you would want to talk to someone before they join your guild. every guild iv'e been in that sends people out just running around and letting people in, usually sucks. but making vent interviews a rec to get in, that's just rediculous. talk to them in game, or invite them on raids or something.
After thinking about it some more I think interviews are just a good thing for any legitimate and serious guild. I wouldn't go as far as doing something as crazy as requiring people to write an essay but hopping on vent and introducing yourself and talking to the guild officers and guild leader is a good thing. I mean come on people you play MMO's to socialize. If you don't want to socialize then don't join a guild or better yet stick to single player RPG's IMHO.
Interviews also allow you to get to know the person behind the character because after all you are recruiting the person and not his character as much.
Also IMHO a vent interview is a great thing because you can get a lot more information from just listening to a person talk then you would from reading what they have typed in a game or filling out a web based application. If any of you have ever dealt in the communications industry or marketing industry you'll know what I mean.
Please don't tell me you are going to just allow any slack jawed yokel into your guild with out a interview? Not doing any interviewing of any kind just sets you up for drama, loot stealing in raids, and might even end up giving your guild a bad name. In the case of a hardcore PvP game like EvE-Online it could even result in the loss of tens of million ( if not hundreds of million) of ISK and potentially end up costing some people their online characters and ships. In fact in a hard core PVP game I would expect it to be the norm for guilds looking to protect hard won assets and valued main characters from potential spies infiltrating a guild and reeking havoc.
Games I've played/tried out:WAR, LOTRO, Tabula Rasa, AoC, EQ1, EQ2, WoW, Vangaurd, FFXI, D&DO, Lineage 2, Saga Of Ryzom, EvE Online, DAoC, Guild Wars,Star Wars Galaxies, Hell Gate London, Auto Assault, Grando Espada ( AKA SoTNW ), Archlord, CoV/H, Star Trek Online, APB, Champions Online, FFXIV, Rift Online, GW2.
I find the opposite true to most the OPs arguements for voicechat. The only time I use voice chat is when I am just fooling around and its time to socialize. Typically I do this with type also as many don't like using voice for whatever reason and I respect any reason someone gives me.
In raids and PvP, I find voicechat nothing but distruptive with all the bad language and random comments. Sure you can set the rules down and keep this at a minimum, but than this starts rubbing people the wrong way and the whole idea of fun begins to evaporate.
People tend to think before they type whereas people will spout off in voice without considering how stupid they sound. With typing, people will type if something is important to say when in combat, but otherwise keep quiet. This is exactly the filter one needs in this situation.
I will never join a guild that requires voicechat. It tells me alot about this guild.
1) They take things WAY to seriously for a game.
2) They are too lazy to learn how to be a team. "Just do what you are told, I don't have time to actually play with you and learn how to function together"
3) They don't trust their members enough to make decisions on their own.
is it fun when your raid wipes cause you refuse to turn on vent? Is it fun when youre some old guy playing a female char trying to get free stuff? Is it fun for you to be so selfish and make people stare at their chat logs all the time?
It's not that hard to talk. Why is it such a big deal? This isnt 1995,some of you players should at least try to not be so negative toward voice chat. I wouldn't ever pvp with you that's for sure.
Hey man just wanna say this is a great idea actually! People can be especially deceptive through typing when you can't hear what they have to say. Really good idea if you want mature members.
I think it's a good idea for those who like to raid. For me I don't raid and I don't take games that seriously anymore. It's to much of a hassle and too time consuming. If you like to do it and others don't mind the militarian structure of the guild great for you guys. For me I'm not interested in joining an army run by immature people. I just want to play the game and have fun. Hopefully raiding will be abolished one day. If you need voice chat for PvP something is wrong IMO.
I think voice is crucial for pvp,unless you are just solo ganking low levels or something.
Also,about taking raids too serious, i don't buy that at all.
Raiding and Pvp is what end game is all about and i believe using voice is crucial for both.
I think it has nothing to do with taking playing too serious,
it's just about communicating easier,especially when it helps everyone else in the guild.
You obviously have no idea about what a GAME is even less what a MMORPG, its bad enough that guilds require applications, but even worse when people like you want to impose your world view on everyone else to turn what is a game (ie. enjoyment) into a job.
For me getting to know someone through there in game activities and actions is far more rewarding than knowing everything about them straight off. Voice interviews can lead to all sorts of discrimination problems and we all know how tolerant the 'new' WoW generation of gamers are.
I'm not against guild applications in principle but a lot depends upon the amount of information you are required to provide just to play a game, additionally the better guilds also have a probationary period where the character of the person can be monitored which is a period where people who do not fill the guilds ideals can be weeded out.
Next you'll be asking for video interviews and earning potential, the system as is works, it has unknowns and potential for mistakes, but that is life and part of the fun of MMORPGS.
is it fun when your raid wipes cause you refuse to turn on vent? Is it fun when youre some old guy playing a female char trying to get free stuff? Is it fun for you to be so selfish and make people stare at their chat logs all the time?
It's not that hard to talk. Why is it such a big deal? This isnt 1995,some of you players should at least try to not be so negative toward voice chat. I wouldn't ever pvp with you that's for sure.
Hey man just wanna say this is a great idea actually! People can be especially deceptive through typing when you can't hear what they have to say. Really good idea if you want mature members.
So you're going to base your opinions on a verbal interview ?, whats wrong with probationary periods to learn what sort of person you're dealing with, anyone who is going to be bad for the guild is just as likely to hide that fact in a verbal interview as a typed one, or are you also going to run voice stress analyzers to determine the truthfulness of responses?
It seems you like the OP do not want to deal with the potential for abuse of this approach or where its likely to end up, i can seen a guild application being refused purely on accent regardless of how good or how much an asset to the guild the player is. Its a lot better (Although it requires input from guild officers) to enroll someone as a probationor and monitor their progress. And that i think is where the real problem lies, lack of commitment from the Guild leadership to do the work associated with the entity 'they' created.
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I've never been in a guild that did not require a vent "introduction". In some games theres just too much to risk. Someone bad could get in and hurt the clan. Reveal secret info, steal items, sabatage operations etc. When someone runs a line of bull in text it can be hard to see through.
I agree. If you have a quality guild you need to ensure that it stays quality so if interviews is the way it's done then so be it. I do think there are better ways to go about interviewing then vent, but to each his own.
Maybe it's just me, but at 20 I don't feel old, nor do I feel stuck in any decade.
I was shanking dragons in Moraff's World and shooting up tigers that looked something like this: "€" in ZZT before many of these "serious gamers" like you, supernerd, were even born..
I was playing Atari 2600 Adventure and Missile Command as early as I can remember..
I was busting it up on zelda and lifeforce, playing RPGs for SNES, and saw the beginning of most of the RTS classics.
I saw the rise and fall of Diablo I, and was playing D2 as soon as I could get my grubby paws on it. I spent years where I'd probably give you better info on your purchase at the game store than the guy at the counter could.
And I can still tell you where just about every special stage is going to be in Sonic 3 and Knuckles.
I've been all over this stuff for years, but apparently I don't have what it takes to be a "serious gamer", because I don't want to voice chat.
I will only use vent (and even this is rare) when playing something like Battlefield 2 where I'm gleefully filling other toons with holes and (yes, this is my actual reason) am too lazy to look up how to text chat so I can talk trash at people I already know in person.
Last i checked I was running a guild of people my own age on Guild Wars, in an alliance with a guild of even older players. I generally play a healer, and have seconds to act between an ally being at full health and dead in many situations. Do we use TS or Vent? er..no. On the occasions that we do use voice, I know the guys in my guild personally, so we just meet up somewhere and play together. Even then, we usually type half the stuff we say anyway, out of habit. Does it make the game harder? not really. See, playing through the era of D2 and later EQ (Anyone remember Infantry? That'd teach you well.) taught some of us to type properly, and quickly. We coordinate our efforts without trouble, and even speak coherent full-length english most of the time. You can learn it too, it's not difficult, and qwerty touchtype doesn't take much time to become reflex.
That said, I'm hardly stuck in the 90's. My PC is consistently able to play the new titles I want it to, I'm usually there when some new title hits the market, and I'm regularly digging into the technical side of the market as well as the entertainment side.
The truth of the matter is, I've experienced voice chat in several games. every time you have all of three generic voices: Pre-Pube/Pubescent kid, Dull and monotonous male, and generic female. Quite honestly, I don't know you in real life, and without that personal contact, you sound just like the six other joes in my guild. I really don't like the sound of your voice, particularly after it's butchered by Member B's blaring Stain'd album and generally poor VoIP quality. With text, I am blessedly free of those annoyances, and I'm probably reading faster than you would be speaking anyhow, which means less chance of me tuning out your less-than-angelic scrape and missing the message anyway.
I can speak from experience when I say that most "guild closeness" any one person may have with their guildmates vaporizes shortly after he or she leaves. It's highly superficial, and method of communication will not change that unless you go out of your way to build a strong personal relationship, which takes plenty of time on an individual level, and would be unheard of on the scale of 50+ people, at which point you could just like... use a phone.
As for interviews, I gotta agree with the "this isn't a job, it's a game" standpoint. When there comes a point when character advancement (the clearly stated point of many MMO's) requires a guild to conduct militant interviewing and reviewing of its members, there's been an error in development. This is no longer a game by any definition of the word, it is work. Most of the endgame activity I have seen was extremely boring. I sat by and was bored to tears while a buddy did some 50 man raiding .. He let me on his char and I was STILL bored to tears as I pretty much just did what monotonous voice B said to over vent. This wasn't fun by any definition of the word, it was just like when I go to work and do what my boss tells me to.
The irony in this is that when I do what my boss tells me, he gives me a paycheck, which I can then go spend on Raiden III or Fantasy Slasher 7 Extreme, which in turn provides me with hours of entertainment. Alternatively I can get something nice for my girlfriend, and get to see her happier, or whatever other fun or beneficial activity I choose. In game, I'm paying them a fee (which means less Fantasy Slasher 7 Extreme action, or no ice cream shake, or whatever else) so that I can follow orders (read: work) and hopefully earn an item or better my character or allies in some way... so that we can more effectively follow orders (read: work) next week. Point is, your need to interview is the sorry result of a flawed system. I'm a fan of alternative activity, like going to play tennis or go bowling or whatever with your friends. Same social enjoyment, plus the added benefits of sunlight and fresh air. Oh, and it isn't a job.
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I hate using voicechat in mmos, because most folks don't even have decent microphone setups. Either they're as quiet as a mouse, despite speaking full volume on their end, or they're so loud you can hear their breathing or chewing. Basically, the noise that comes from voicechat is too much of a hassle. Use standard text scripts plus hilites to know who's who on a party/raid channel instead. Especially if you have text macros assigned for standard calls for heals, debuffs, and aggro wrangling.
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After reading through the posts I'm beginning to think guilds ought to require urine samples as well to test for substance abuse....
Maybe I am just too much of a Feminazi, but that attitude really pulls my chain.
When I played EQ1 I was one of the top clerics on the server, and had a reputation as being "the" cleric to get for raids and hard instances. And that was NOT because I was a girl.
So it really jacks me up when some guild goes out and gives special favors or privileges for girls. It makes all of MY efforts to be good at what I do seem like a waste of time when some wench can just waltz in based solely on how hot she sound on voice chat.
NO ABSOLUTLY NOT!
Damn!!
I wonder how I ever made to 75 with nearly 1000 AA and have done all nearly high end content in EQ except for the last expansion pack - and all without any voice chat in the guild at all.
I guess we just sucked.
I'd say a good number of corps in eve require coms interviews. Of course in eve, if you let retards into your corp, bad things can happen. In WoW, they just might annoy you in guild chat.
oh! alreay 12 pages about this topic. Here goes mine:
I will talk as a always healer player:
I dont use ventrilo becose I dont speak and dont understand spoken english very well. I can play in writen english, I can read english, and no, I don want to play in my native language, I want to use english becouse this way I can play with everybody. Anyway, sometimes I have joined some groups with ventrilo, I have turned it on and nothing more happens, vent becomes useless, becouse i know whento heal somebody, i know when to buff somebody, and i know when something is going wrong I dont need anybody to tell me anything I have a pair of eyes in my face so I know wahts happening, so for me vent is useless. Anyway I have anothe reason, I have a 5.1 speakers around me in my computer, I took some time placing them strategically so I got a perfect position. I ear all with 3D audio, ¿And now i need to ear you talking about whatever you want to chat and ruin my music and my 3D audio? No thanks.
Just a joke about this:
If you need to tell your healer please heal, or please cast a group heal, then you or your group will die. A healer must cast before things happens, cose when everybody is taking damage, most of the time is too late.
If a haler tells you, I need to use vent so you can tell me when to heal you --> Damn if I were a Tank Ill run far from this guy!
A vent based interview ain't that bad IMHO. If you don't like it I'd say don't join a guild that requires it to get in. It's better then doing blind invites IMHO.
On another not though I've heard and read some of the horror stories of a few EQ1 snobbish raiding guilds. Some of which required you to write a 2-3 page long essays detailing your exploits in the game and how would benefit them if they let you in their guild.
Or worse yet of how certain EQ1 and WoW guilds would basically only give raid loot to their officers and friends first and everyone else would get the shaft/trickle down effect.
Games I've played/tried out:WAR, LOTRO, Tabula Rasa, AoC, EQ1, EQ2, WoW, Vangaurd, FFXI, D&DO, Lineage 2, Saga Of Ryzom, EvE Online, DAoC, Guild Wars,Star Wars Galaxies, Hell Gate London, Auto Assault, Grando Espada ( AKA SoTNW ), Archlord, CoV/H, Star Trek Online, APB, Champions Online, FFXIV, Rift Online, GW2.
Game(s) I Am Currently Playing:
GW2 (+LoL and BF3)
I have to agree. EvE is one of those games where you really have know and trust who you are letting into your corp. I've read some interesting stories about the back stabbing that goes on in the game. It can get pretty vicious at times.
Games I've played/tried out:WAR, LOTRO, Tabula Rasa, AoC, EQ1, EQ2, WoW, Vangaurd, FFXI, D&DO, Lineage 2, Saga Of Ryzom, EvE Online, DAoC, Guild Wars,Star Wars Galaxies, Hell Gate London, Auto Assault, Grando Espada ( AKA SoTNW ), Archlord, CoV/H, Star Trek Online, APB, Champions Online, FFXIV, Rift Online, GW2.
Game(s) I Am Currently Playing:
GW2 (+LoL and BF3)
Stop giving free stuff to someone because you think they are a girl.
give free stuff to people who can use it and benefit from it.
Not like your going to get lucky with that female elf even if it really is a female on the other side of the screen.
I never understood giving free stuff to someone cus there avatar is hot.
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People who would submit to a live choice chat interview are the kind of people who want to be in a guild who use such methods. I say its a way to weed out people who take the game to seriously to the people who just want to have fun and play.
Conservatism.
Just old white men trying to find ways to legalize discrimination, and make the poor poorer
All I got to say is this...
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((((STOP!))) we need to move this to Vent I can't read this much text
/seriously, i get that, if your guild likes vent, that meeting someone on vent is a must...i mean, if they just don't mesh, then they just don't mesh....but REQUIRING it...i mean, you can get a pretty good idea of a persons personality by what they said, be it via voice or in text.
Realistically, i we all go through an interview when we join a new guild, and we are sort of interviewing that guild too. After a bit, you can both tell if its gonna work out nor not. Don't make the process some sort of official freakshow. Its not a good way to start out.
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omfg you mmo WoW kiddies are such noobs. i don't mean to troll or anything but seriously, interviews? your guild needs a serious reality check. it's a freaking game, who cares! the only way i would ever use vent interviews for a game would be to troll for nerds.
"yea you need to have a vent interview before you get into the clan..."
"oh yea ok that's fine"
"omfg nerd i'm not serious, gtfo"
i'm glad i quit WoW a lonnnng time ago
*edit: to be a little nice, i can see why you would want to talk to someone before they join your guild. every guild iv'e been in that sends people out just running around and letting people in, usually sucks. but making vent interviews a rec to get in, that's just rediculous. talk to them in game, or invite them on raids or something.
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After thinking about it some more I think interviews are just a good thing for any legitimate and serious guild. I wouldn't go as far as doing something as crazy as requiring people to write an essay but hopping on vent and introducing yourself and talking to the guild officers and guild leader is a good thing. I mean come on people you play MMO's to socialize. If you don't want to socialize then don't join a guild or better yet stick to single player RPG's IMHO.
Interviews also allow you to get to know the person behind the character because after all you are recruiting the person and not his character as much.
Also IMHO a vent interview is a great thing because you can get a lot more information from just listening to a person talk then you would from reading what they have typed in a game or filling out a web based application. If any of you have ever dealt in the communications industry or marketing industry you'll know what I mean.
Please don't tell me you are going to just allow any slack jawed yokel into your guild with out a interview? Not doing any interviewing of any kind just sets you up for drama, loot stealing in raids, and might even end up giving your guild a bad name. In the case of a hardcore PvP game like EvE-Online it could even result in the loss of tens of million ( if not hundreds of million) of ISK and potentially end up costing some people their online characters and ships. In fact in a hard core PVP game I would expect it to be the norm for guilds looking to protect hard won assets and valued main characters from potential spies infiltrating a guild and reeking havoc.
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I find the opposite true to most the OPs arguements for voicechat. The only time I use voice chat is when I am just fooling around and its time to socialize. Typically I do this with type also as many don't like using voice for whatever reason and I respect any reason someone gives me.
In raids and PvP, I find voicechat nothing but distruptive with all the bad language and random comments. Sure you can set the rules down and keep this at a minimum, but than this starts rubbing people the wrong way and the whole idea of fun begins to evaporate.
People tend to think before they type whereas people will spout off in voice without considering how stupid they sound. With typing, people will type if something is important to say when in combat, but otherwise keep quiet. This is exactly the filter one needs in this situation.
I will never join a guild that requires voicechat. It tells me alot about this guild.
1) They take things WAY to seriously for a game.
2) They are too lazy to learn how to be a team. "Just do what you are told, I don't have time to actually play with you and learn how to function together"
3) They don't trust their members enough to make decisions on their own.
4) They have a desire to control.
Not my kind of entertainment, sorry.
Hey man just wanna say this is a great idea actually! People can be especially deceptive through typing when you can't hear what they have to say. Really good idea if you want mature members.
Can you say contradiction?
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I could care less. Guilds suck. Just play with some friends or solo.
I think voice is crucial for pvp,unless you are just solo ganking low levels or something.
Also,about taking raids too serious, i don't buy that at all.
Raiding and Pvp is what end game is all about and i believe using voice is crucial for both.
I think it has nothing to do with taking playing too serious,
it's just about communicating easier,especially when it helps everyone else in the guild.
You obviously have no idea about what a GAME is even less what a MMORPG, its bad enough that guilds require applications, but even worse when people like you want to impose your world view on everyone else to turn what is a game (ie. enjoyment) into a job.For me getting to know someone through there in game activities and actions is far more rewarding than knowing everything about them straight off. Voice interviews can lead to all sorts of discrimination problems and we all know how tolerant the 'new' WoW generation of gamers are.
I'm not against guild applications in principle but a lot depends upon the amount of information you are required to provide just to play a game, additionally the better guilds also have a probationary period where the character of the person can be monitored which is a period where people who do not fill the guilds ideals can be weeded out.
Next you'll be asking for video interviews and earning potential, the system as is works, it has unknowns and potential for mistakes, but that is life and part of the fun of MMORPGS.
Hey man just wanna say this is a great idea actually! People can be especially deceptive through typing when you can't hear what they have to say. Really good idea if you want mature members.
So you're going to base your opinions on a verbal interview ?, whats wrong with probationary periods to learn what sort of person you're dealing with, anyone who is going to be bad for the guild is just as likely to hide that fact in a verbal interview as a typed one, or are you also going to run voice stress analyzers to determine the truthfulness of responses?It seems you like the OP do not want to deal with the potential for abuse of this approach or where its likely to end up, i can seen a guild application being refused purely on accent regardless of how good or how much an asset to the guild the player is. Its a lot better (Although it requires input from guild officers) to enroll someone as a probationor and monitor their progress. And that i think is where the real problem lies, lack of commitment from the Guild leadership to do the work associated with the entity 'they' created.