darkfall lies like a rug??

noreats4u

found this posted on hte forums :eek:

 

"I think you have spread enough rumors for awhile now."

http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=9175.35

This rumor is the best because it is 100% TRUE. they've told so many lies about this game over the years it's too hard to count anymore.

They tried selling this game to RedBull last year and were turned down because it wasn't good enough to buy. Just goes to show you how much faith they got left in their own product now trying to sell it off for next to nothing. Wake up and look at some reality. and of course they would deny it.. who's going to say "oh ya we tried selling our game but couldn't because it wasn't good enough".

 

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Late last year thrones was approached by a few different companies wanting to purchase a mmog. One of them was Red Bull (the soft drink company) and that is how the information about a Darkfall sale was leaked. Basically in one of the phone conferences with the Vice President of Red bull , he stated that they looked over a few different games for possible purchase and Darkfall was one of them. He also said that when the company making df found out they were not interested in purchasing anymore and were going to move in a different direction with something else they sent him emails lowering the buyout price and trying to change his mind but there was no longer interest. The asking price he mentioned for df was first 2 million , than they dropped it to 1 million. Why did the sale not happen? He basically said that it wasn't up to par for a purchase for whatever reasons.

Of course nothing less than a public denial of any type of sale from the producer of the project was expected , as any mention of a sale would have the fanbase crumble overnight as fast as Dark and Light after the release of SoG.

Take this for what it is - a post by someone on the internet. However , I know it to be reality.

Now Redbull is involved with Project Offset it seems which is a very good move as that project looks amazing. They recently threw them a party at GDC.

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I talked to the guy on MSN who said that   before they took out the MSN contact from that posting from f13 and apparently the other people got mad because the darkfall devs were talking junk to a buyer and   trying to steal away one of the different buyers (which in this case was RedBull ) and try to get them to buy DF instead but it didn't work.

and this has to do with it too

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=200320249

:eek:

daarco

Old news.....

 

And some "true rumors" on the web isnt much help nowdays. I mean, there are even rumors DF is soon in beta!

So?...what to believe?

Stellos

There are rumors all over the boards....I really don't know what to believe so I'm just checking in from time to time to see if there are any new developments.  I'm starting to give up hope though, there just hasn't been much proof to the game's release.

Xris375

Sorry, I don't speak troll

Krogan

The truth of this matter is that Darkfall has a number of people that dedicate an enormus amount of time at trash talking Darkfall, for their own reasons they spend their pathetic lives on posts like this. You may also note that the OP has made a whole 7 posts prior to this anouncement, one is left to wonder, is it possibly another forum troll that runs around waisting our time.

All this seems to be to me is Red Bull and Project Offset trying for a free advert and all I can say is that it's quite pathetic. Also to note is how much Darkfall scared the big guys, Aoc and WAR are aware of that they will be all but destroyed if Darkfall launches the game they promise us.

Phos

Darkfall looks awesome. If I was an investor, I'd jump at the opportunity to fund this game. You'd make your money back easily. More original stuff in this game than anything else out there. (they better hurry though, the graphics are getting dated as time goes on!)

- Phos

Classicstar

Originally posted by Phos


Darkfall looks awesome. If I was an investor, I'd jump at the opportunity to fund this game. You'd make your money back easily. More original stuff in this game than anything else out there. (they better hurry though, the graphics are getting dated as time goes on!)
- Phos
 

who cares about grafics this game is so awsome i dont care about grafics.

Gameplay make up for it, but for now its still a great looking game:)

Shikezi

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jj85624

i deeply wish this is just a rumor, and if it is true, i will hate you for telling me >.<

i love what they promised in Darkfall, i just they can publish the promises.

GO DARKFALL!!!

bukshot

Originally posted by forest-nl


 
Originally posted by Phos


Darkfall looks awesome. If I was an investor, I'd jump at the opportunity to fund this game. You'd make your money back easily. More original stuff in this game than anything else out there. (they better hurry though, the graphics are getting dated as time goes on!)
- Phos
 

who cares about grafics this game is so awsome i dont care about grafics.

 

Gameplay make up for it, but for now its still a great looking game:)

Clearly you don't care about learning to spell either.

Xris375

Originally posted by bukshot

Originally posted by forest-nl


 
Originally posted by Phos


Darkfall looks awesome. If I was an investor, I'd jump at the opportunity to fund this game. You'd make your money back easily. More original stuff in this game than anything else out there. (they better hurry though, the graphics are getting dated as time goes on!)
- Phos
 

who cares about grafics this game is so awsome i dont care about grafics.

 

Gameplay make up for it, but for now its still a great looking game:)

Clearly you don't care about learning to spell either.

Good thing this is a forum for discussing games then and not teaching dutch people how to spell.

I suggest you go troll  http://www.englishforums.com/ instead

blightedsoul

Great how people can be so ignorant.  If Darkfall is such a vaporware then please explain to me why they have just got their notice of allowance.   Darkfall is very much so a real game.  The fact that they are taking their time to release a beta that is worth releasing says even more for them.   Rushed games end up like Vanguard , Archlord and LOTR....Totally worthless.     

Bend over MMO world, Darkfall is going to take it with force if you dont

Krogan

Yeah it's the stupiest comment and it's made over and over again all over the place, that since Darkfall isn't rushing it's release it's going to be another DnL, Horizons, Vanguard or Shadowbane. Now lets go over this one more time for the slow people, why did all those games fail? Yes that's right becuase they released unfinished games, most of them are still not finished since as soon as release hits you are left with a much smaller crew. And why is Darkfall failing like those other games again? Because it's taking it's time to release a game actually worth releasing? hm wait a min, that makes no sense...that's right you numb nuts I believe in Darkfall still BECAUSE they are taking their time and not rushing release, not despite of.

jahar

do you guys seriously think this game will hit it big though? i dont mean like 50k subs.. i personally cant see it doing much better than that, even if they do keep their promises.. theres just no talk about out there, not like the other games coming out anyway.. and theres a difference between taking their time, and taking forever.. and anyone that would invest in a game because it "looks good" wouldnt be an investor for very long

blightedsoul

Well, you are correct on the lack of main stream depth, but is that really so bad?  The game's release will bring in players for sure, and if it is what we all hope it is, more will soon to follow by shear word of mouth from its start up players.  With the fan base they have on the web page i would say no less then 300k subs on release, 2 million subs by its 1 year mark if all is as promised. 

Rushed release is the true end of a game.  Even worse for a game is a rushed beta.    They do have financial support, in fact they just recently recieved 27.5 million dollars

Deathstrike2

Originally posted by forest-nl


 
who cares about grafics this game is so awsome i dont care about grafics.
 
Gameplay make up for it, but for now its still a great looking game:)

I think a lot of players care about graphics -- myself included.  If a game can't give me good graphics AND good gameplay, it isn't worth my money.  There's no reason for players to be put in a position to choose.  We can have both.

blightedsoul

Most of the videos for darkfall i will admit are bad.  The sad fact is that they are mostly from alpha during the first phases.  The most recent video released shows a much differant story, there are dynamic armor reflections of the surroundings,  grass that moves with the wind, in the same direction as the leaves.   Everyone has wondered why Aventurine is keeping themselves so secretive, and most believe that it is just because they dont want too much of their secret out.  I  personally don't care, I play games for a dynamic gameplay, and thats all i can hope for, graphics fromd arkfall will just be a plus

Ammon777

IMO Darkfall is gonna be hugely popular not for its luster graphics, but for its gameplay and in-game politics, land ownership, PvP, excellent economy rivalling EVE -- an extremely well-rounded game. That is IF everything they plan comes to fruitition. If Darkfall fails, I might leave for Immortal Destiny and hope they do something better. Also if Darkfall fails, I will personally be very sad because I have waited 5 years for the damn game to come out.

Ammon777

 

Originally posted by Rhoklaw


Delaying a games release because it isn't finished is one thing. Working on a game for over 5 years with no sign of a beta in the near future, is not normal. Sure, the game has a lot to offer, but the company behind this game has no friggin clue what they are doing. You don't put your game in the position to catch a lot of flak. Why do people compare this to Dark and Light? Maybe because it's responding the same way to accusations made by the media and fans?
You can call me a troll, I don't care. I've defended SOE and been let down so I know what its like to be a fan of something and become so fanatical about it, that your blinded by your own obsession. This game is taking way too long, 2-3x longer then normal and they still aren't even talking about beta. Face it, even if it's not vaporware, the game will either launch incomplete like V:SoH or it just won't launch period.
And you can quote this troll on what was just stated.

Once again.

 

Look, just like like the troll that started this thread, you are full of ignorant statements & assumed inaccuracies that are being spread around the MMO community by tards. I am here to state the facts.

Darkfall has been in full team production for only 3 years. And 2 years before that it was just a few guys (3 guys) in a basement. Previous to that they had built a multi-user server architecture that was used in a business corporation that connected thousands of clients at same time. That was before development really started. Razorwax (3 guys in a basement) had that base technology and did design work on Darkfall in a basement for 2 years. These were roughly the years 2001 to 2003. They did DESIGN WORK and foundational work in those 2 years, not full-steam development (there were only 3 guys doing it).

After that, Aventurine absorbed Razorwax into their larger company, for the purpose of developing and possibly self-publishing Darkfall, and they ramped up development fully by hiring dozens of other developers and generally building the team. These were roughly years 2004  to 2007. They made a mistake of setting up their public website far too soon in 2001. They shouldve waited, like most games, to open their website a lot later. I remember they opened their website in 2001. That is why there is the common misconception that Darkfall was in full development since 2001. It really wasnt. They opened it early for who-knows-what reason, its their project, they will do whatever they want.

They have *very* wealthy backbone of investor funding (Aventurine is loaded with money), and they just recently took out a loan from a bank for roughly 27.5 million US dollars to -- presumably -- finish development... and self-publish, if needed. With that kind of finantial backing and development effort I do not see how anyone can call the project vaporware. Just because its taken a while to come out does not prove one thing or another. It is clear that it SEEMS to be taking forever to come out. But thats because they are taking time enough to finish the project and to do it RIGHT. Gameplay videos, screenshots, and a few sparse details about the lore do not, unfortunately, seem to squelch a general disatisfaction among the Darkfall community; the main reason for that is because DFO did not hire community manager. I dont know why, I do think they should have, but it remains that they just didnt. Oh well... Anyway, the actual roughly 30-man team has been working on Darkfall for a little over THREE YEARS now. To be fair, people shouldnt claim DFO was in development for 5 years because relative to other companies' activities, it really hasnt. Its been 3 years in full-team development, not 5 years like some many misinformed dissenters will claim. How long was World of Warcraft in full-team development? 5 years. So give the Darkfall developers some slack, please.

There are many outsiders that look into the DFO community and see a bunch of griefers, since the DFO forums are pretty hardcore and generally hostile. They almost have a disattisfied bitterness amongst them. Ive been there 5 years but I dont dwell constantly, I play other MMOs. I am not really all that fond of DFO community, they seem far too bitter and too aggressive for their own good, but thats my opinion.

You should learn what is going on before you continue spreading innaccuracies regarding its development. You say the same thing every "vaporware" commentor has been saying. Learn things for yourself instead of going along with the crowd. And I think Darkfall developers do "know what theyre doing," except that they do not have public relations person and they do not actively participate in the community. Why? They decided early on in the project not to have one and to instead focus all their resources on actual development. At least they put their time to good use.

Vaporware? Nope. Well funded? Absolutely. Imminent? I believe so. Will I be disappointed? Perhaps, since I have waited 5 years. But hopefully the excellent design of gameplay will turn out to be my dream come true MMO. I will lose nothing by waiting and hoping that Darkfall turns out awesome. I have firm belief in its revolutionary design. And I think they will pull through.

Now stop spreading misinformation, please.

Kyleran

Originally posted by Ammon777


 
Originally posted by Rhoklaw


Delaying a games release because it isn't finished is one thing. Working on a game for over 5 years with no sign of a beta in the near future, is not normal. Sure, the game has a lot to offer, but the company behind this game has no friggin clue what they are doing. You don't put your game in the position to catch a lot of flak. Why do people compare this to Dark and Light? Maybe because it's responding the same way to accusations made by the media and fans?
You can call me a troll, I don't care. I've defended SOE and been let down so I know what its like to be a fan of something and become so fanatical about it, that your blinded by your own obsession. This game is taking way too long, 2-3x longer then normal and they still aren't even talking about beta. Face it, even if it's not vaporware, the game will either launch incomplete like V:SoH or it just won't launch period.
And you can quote this troll on what was just stated.

Once again.

 

Look, just like like the troll that started this thread, you are full of ignorant statements & assumed inaccuracies that are being spread around the MMO community by tards. I am here to state the facts.

Darkfall has been in full team production for only 3 years. And 2 years before that it was just a few guys (3 guys) in a basement. Previous to that they had built a multi-user server architecture that was used in a business corporation that connected thousands of clients at same time. That was before development really started. Razorwax (3 guys in a basement) had that base technology and did design work on Darkfall in a basement for 2 years. These were roughly the years 2001 to 2003. They did DESIGN WORK and foundational work in those 2 years, not full-steam development (there were only 3 guys doing it).

After that, Aventurine absorbed Razorwax into their larger company, for the purpose of developing and possibly self-publishing Darkfall, and they ramped up development fully by hiring dozens of other developers and generally building the team. These were roughly years 2004  to 2007. They made a mistake of setting up their public website far too soon in 2001. They shouldve waited, like most games, to open their website a lot later. I remember they opened their website in 2001. That is why there is the common misconception that Darkfall was in full development since 2001. It really wasnt. They opened it early for who-knows-what reason, its their project, they will do whatever they want.

They have *very* wealthy backbone of investor funding (Aventurine is loaded with money), and they just recently took out a loan from a bank for roughly 27.5 million US dollars to -- presumably -- finish development... and self-publish, if needed. With that kind of finantial backing and development effort I do not see how anyone can call the project vaporware. Just because its taken a while to come out does not prove one thing or another. It is clear that it SEEMS to be taking forever to come out. But thats because they are taking time enough to finish the project and to do it RIGHT. Gameplay videos, screenshots, and a few sparse details about the lore do not, unfortunately, seem to squelch a general disatisfaction among the Darkfall community; the main reason for that is because DFO did not hire community manager. I dont know why, I do think they should have, but it remains that they just didnt. Oh well... Anyway, the actual roughly 30-man team has been working on Darkfall for a little over THREE YEARS now. To be fair, people shouldnt claim DFO was in development for 5 years because relative to other companies' activities, it really hasnt. Its been 3 years in full-team development, not 5 years like some many misinformed dissenters will claim. How long was World of Warcraft in full-team development? 5 years. So give the Darkfall developers some slack, please.

There are many outsiders that look into the DFO community and see a bunch of griefers, since the DFO forums are pretty hardcore and generally hostile. They almost have a disattisfied bitterness amongst them. Ive been there 5 years but I dont dwell constantly, I play other MMOs. I am not really all that fond of DFO community, they seem far too bitter and too aggressive for their own good, but thats my opinion.

You should learn what is going on before you continue spreading innaccuracies regarding its development. You say the same thing every "vaporware" commentor has been saying. Learn things for yourself instead of going along with the crowd. And I think Darkfall developers do "know what theyre doing," except that they do not have public relations person and they do not actively participate in the community. Why? They decided early on in the project not to have one and to instead focus all their resources on actual development. At least they put their time to good use.

Vaporware? Nope. Well funded? Absolutely. Imminent? I believe so. Will I be disappointed? Perhaps, since I have waited 5 years. But hopefully the excellent design of gameplay will turn out to be my dream come true MMO. I will lose nothing by waiting and hoping that Darkfall turns out awesome. I have firm belief in its revolutionary design. And I think they will pull through.

Now stop spreading misinformation, please.

You know, from an outside party's viewpoint, your 'information" looks no more factual than any other posters..... it reads well, but you can't really prove much of it outside of the information on  the loan.  

Heck, they're just getting around to hiring a Test Mgr...... yet another thing they are late on ......

Exoncalibur

Very true... I was looking forward to this game yet it fails.

Mysk

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Originally posted by thejudge1
Originally posted by Rhoklaw

The last update was earlier this year depicting a minute long in-game PvP video. It also talks about open beta happening soon as the game isn't due to hit the shelves till later this year, as in 2007. I'm sorry, did someone say beta was taking place? Thats funny, haven't heard anything more of this since Jan. 30th, 2007.

Your a fucking moron really. Go check out the official forums and y

Questionable

 

Originally posted by Rhoklaw


 


Oh, your right, I'm an idiot cause beta has launched? Oh snap, it's still not even mentioned as being anywhere close to beta. As for the updates, looks to me like these last minute changes and polishes are in fact much needed integral mechanics. To make a long story short, this Aventurine company is waaaaaay behind schedule. So, your right, they are kind enough to release updates on their official forums, but it still doesn't help the fact that they have a crapload of programming, not to mention QA testing to do in-house.
 
1) Still working on GUI?

2) Still working on Quests?

3) Still working on AI?

4) Still working on World Building?

5) Still working on several Clan Functions?
Lets scrap the fact the game was thought up in 2001 and scrap the fact it was a basement operation till 2003. Let's scrap the fact that this so called deep pocket company needs a $27.5 million dollar loan. Let's scrap the fact beta was mentioned as happening soon and a release due in 2007. Let's just deal with the now, which according to one of the most recent updates that the game is far from finished. He even says, you can't have a beta when the game isn't in working order. Yeah, 4 years and 27 million is not unusual, but like I said, if they have a beta before 2007 ends, I'll be impressed.

Ah i see you like blatant lies. Its not even worth giving a respond to disprove you because anyone who actually looks into DF can tell that your making those up. Are you really that pathetic?

 

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Xris375

Originally posted by Rhoklaw


 Lets scrap the fact the game was thought up in 2001 and scrap the fact it was a basement operation till 2003. Let's scrap the fact that this so called deep pocket company needs a $27.5 million dollar loan. Let's scrap the fact beta was mentioned as happening soon and a release due in 2007. Let's just deal with the now, which according to one of the most recent updates that the game is far from finished. He even says, you can't have a beta when the game isn't in working order. Yeah, 4 years and 27 million is not unusual, but like I said, if they have a beta before 2007 ends, I'll be impressed.

How do you figure ?

"Overall we're working on the beta process as you know. This is infinitely more complicated to set up than just getting the game online and letting people in to play it. Sometimes I wonder if even the hardcore gamers understand what's involved especially when people keep asking for the specific beta date (Warcry dev. 10)".

"Since our last status update, there is not much to report: we've been fighting to meet our milestones, we've been adding content, and we've been testing. The beta build is essentially a release version functionality-wise so there are numerous things to go over (Warcry dev. 11). "

They are working on the beta. The beta is essential a release version functionally wise. Why would they work on the beta-build, if the "game is far from finished" ?

chaintm

sense 2004 I have been a rejistered member at the "offical" forums, watched the "revised website" changes, the "it's coming out soon!" comments and the "name changes", "Legal issues" and more. A year ago an announcment was made that beta will be soon and if "you and your clan sign up now!... you will..." yada yada yada....all of this, ALL of it, is words. Reminds me of so many out of the guarage games that promised the world and ended being crap. Name 2? sure here you go, Mourning and the ever wondering "what the hell happended" dark and light MMO's. Some here actually racked many for both those titles, but yet come on here and say this will be the best? okkkkk then, whatever you want to believe, keep the faith, but this game if it ever comes to light will be so outdated, many of you say "I don't care about the graphics" will be crying "the graphics suck!" when and if it ever is released. You can try to convince yourselves and attempt to convince others, but the reality is different. Just look at any title out.

Keep waving the endless pitch of "it will be" when there is no sign that it even exsist at this point. Yea, I seen the vids release about a year ago and what was so good? It looked like something released from a gaming training school then an actual game. Eh, maybe I am wrong , I am one that has been waiting a long time. But if the history of these devs show anything, it shows they are done and the only thing they can afford is to keep a website going in hopes to sell their idea to some company willing to put of whatever money they can get out of it.