No I'm not speculating /who all count 1 10, /who all vount 11 20 and doing a manually search for classes at 70 shows that figures. That is not speculating you are speculating that SOE is fiddling with the definition.
940+ people on medium in EQ2 is not speculating. The definition on VG low<1000/medium>1000/high>2000 is not speculating.
So you are saying you logged on to every server and counted every class in every zone?????? It's either that or you have inside information that only SOE emplyeees have. I have to wonder if EQII is doing so well as you put it why all of the attention to LoTRO from the obviousEQII/Vanguard fans here? Couldn't be that LoTRO is cutting into the games population is it LOL.
Anyway this discussion belongs on the EQII boards, most of the LoTRO players now don't really give a flying rat's ass about EQII, at least not the ones I know. It was a nice game for a while, but it is stale now.
No I'm not speculating /who all count 1 10, /who all vount 11 20 and doing a manually search for classes at 70 shows that figures. That is not speculating you are speculating that SOE is fiddling with the definition.
940+ people on medium in EQ2 is not speculating. The definition on VG low<1000/medium>1000/high>2000 is not speculating.
So you are saying you logged on to every server and counted every class in every zone??????
It's either that or you have inside information that only SOE emplyeees have. I have to wonder if EQII is doing so well as you put it why all of the attention to LoTRO from the obviousEQII/Vanguard fans here? Couldn't be that LoTRO is cutting into the games population is it LOL.
Anyway this discussion belongs on the EQII boards, most of the LoTRO players now don't really give a flying rat's ass about EQII, at least not the ones I know. It was a nice game for a while, but it is stale now.
No why would I have logg in to every server to check it is well enough to log in to one server that is marked as medium and check the population on that one. I dont think that you will have different definition set on every server. So why in earth do you think one have to log inn to every server to check what they state is medium and low.
/who all count 1 10 shows every single player regardless of class that is between level 1 to 10 on every zone. Except for those that are anonymous. In EQ2 the cap is 100 people in VG the cap is 200 people. In EQ you have to fill in the class at lvl 70 as it hits the cap.
By the way I did calculate wrong I had checked classes multiple times. Got 600 for medium and 300 for low on EQ2 server. That is nowhere near the figures you try to make as 10/100 low/medium. For VG figures you have cap at 200 for /who all count x y and no need to count classes there as that was the initial falt with 940.
You have personally brought the discussion into this thread by stating that EQ2 population should not be good and is still on the subject as you have refered SOE campaign with offers to VG contra Turbines campaign. But youre good to make false claims regarding EQ2 in this thread, ok, to motivate your claims on LOTR to be true. But if one can't counter those arguements, don't make them in the first place.
And again there is no reason to believe that they don't have a definition that suits the server population cap. So medium/high still would mean that server population is good.
Still puzzled as to why you would try to say one have to log in at every server as that could mean. Either you say they have different definitions or you sayin my figures would be the grand total for all servers. Which in both cases is a bit funny to say.
So why should the SOE fans give a shit about what LoTRO is doing or not doing or whether it sold 172K copies in NAmerica in 9 weeks or 9 years? if you are not playing the game then ignore it is my way of thinking. I have made less than 5 posts on the vangaurd forums or the EQII forums since I quit, but you SOE fans just love to bash on a game that has received nothing but rave reviews from the gaming press. Gee, I wonder why LOL
So why should the SOE fans give a shit about what LoTRO is doing or not doing or whether it sold 172K copies in NAmerica in 9 weeks or 9 years? if you are not playing the game then ignore it is my way of thinking. I have made less than 5 posts on the vangaurd forums or the EQII forums since I quit, but you SOE fans just love to bash on a game that has received nothing but rave reviews from the gaming press. Gee, I wonder why LOL
I'll say like everyone else... Hey, this is mmorpg.com
LOTRO is hot, i don't see why you would not post a screenshot of the servers.
EDIT: oh, and a re-review of EQ2 now would probably score higher then any MMO out at the moment.
First of all excuse me because I haven't read the last few pages of all this.
Now it might just be me but didn't Turbine say they were going to announce 1 million subscribers soon? I know I saw that a while back, but I can't seem to find it now.
Acording to these numbers it really did not sell well for what would be such a strong IP. Like everyone else already stated the game came out in a time where nothing was coming out that was good, MMORPG or not. Yet, somehow, it only managed to stay at the top of sales for a week, right.
Also to all those who said, well, who cares? The people playing the game should care. The reason why is little to no subs = Not as large of a community. It also gives the short possibility of the game going down the tubes if some people lose interest.
Personally I am all for whatever kind of MMO that can break into the market. Right now the MMORPG market desperatly needs more high quality tittles, which many games have just failed to give. However if LoTRO fails than we won't have any really strong games coming out until almost next year. (WAR in beginning of 08, AoC mar 08).
First of all excuse me because I haven't read the last few pages of all this. Now it might just be me but didn't Turbine say they were going to announce 1 million subscribers soon? I know I saw that a while back, but I can't seem to find it now. Nope and you wom't find it either because it never happened. Turbine Devs would be stupid to post anysuch thing and I think their actions so far have proved them to be pretty damn smart. Acording to these numbers it really did not sell well for what would be such a strong IP. Like everyone else already stated the game came out in a time where nothing was coming out that was good, MMORPG or not. Yet, somehow, it only managed to stay at the top of sales for a week, right. If you look at the numbers the MMORPG and gaming all in all have been dismal lately. Electronics Arts etc have all had a bad year. www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUSWEN000320070802 If you read the link in the original post the point was that in 9 weeks LoTRO was the best saelling game n=midway had and was in the top ten of all PC games for the quarter.
Also to all those who said, well, who cares? The people playing the game should care. The reason why is little to no subs = Not as large of a community. It also gives the short possibility of the game going down the tubes if some people lose interest. No one I know of currently playing the game is complaining, just trolls from other games and their alts who are threatened by this one.
Personally I am all for whatever kind of MMO that can break into the market. Right now the MMORPG market desperatly needs more high quality tittles, which many games have just failed to give. However if LoTRO fails than we won't have any really strong games coming out until almost next year. (WAR in beginning of 08, AoC mar 08). LOL LoTRO is still going strong and with it's China release may indeed break that magic 1 million mark. The game is extremely stable right now and our guild is still has membership locked.
So why should the SOE fans give a shit about what LoTRO is doing or not doing or whether it sold 172K copies in NAmerica in 9 weeks or 9 years? if you are not playing the game then ignore it is my way of thinking. I have made less than 5 posts on the vangaurd forums or the EQII forums since I quit, but you SOE fans just love to bash on a game that has received nothing but rave reviews from the gaming press. Gee, I wonder why LOL
I'll say like everyone else... Hey, this is mmorpg.com
Heh and you are or were the Vanguardplayer who posted how he never had a framer rate issue, never had a crash to desktop or a hitch when crossing a zone and thought Vanguard was the greatesd game ever released. gee I wonder what bag your marbles are in .It's all well and fine to like a game or a company but there is a fine line between fan and deluded fanbois. At least I know that LOTRO is far not perfect and still need work in some some areas.
LOTRO is hot, i don't see why you would not post a screenshot of the servers.
Turbine does not bother with the high/ low/medium psychological crap like SOE does. Log into the game and you can find groups at all levels, that says a lot more than some bullshit "soft" population lable
EDIT: oh, and a re-review of EQ2 now would probably score higher then any MMO out at the moment.
I seriously doubt that, she was a good game for a while at least once they redid most of their release fuckups and WoWified it after WoW whipped their asses on release. However she is now three years old and never managed to improve game play much although they have added content over the years. Just looking at the forums it seems It still has that horrible memory leak that has been there over a year and a half now. Turbine managed to fix the one LoTRO had during beta shortly after release. Maybe SOE needs to hire some Turbine programmers.
So why should the SOE fans give a shit about what LoTRO is doing or not doing or whether it sold 172K copies in NAmerica in 9 weeks or 9 years? if you are not playing the game then ignore it is my way of thinking. I have made less than 5 posts on the vangaurd forums or the EQII forums since I quit, but you SOE fans just love to bash on a game that has received nothing but rave reviews from the gaming press. Gee, I wonder why LOL
I'll say like everyone else... Hey, this is mmorpg.com
Heh and you are or were the Vanguardplayer who posted how he never had a framer rate issue, never had a crash to desktop or a hitch when crossing a zone and thought Vanguard was the greatesd game ever released. gee I wonder what bag your marbles are in .It's all well and fine to like a game or a company but there is a fine line between fan and deluded fanbois. At least I know that LOTRO is far not perfect and still need work in some some areas.
Look my posts. I crash and have some bugs. I don't mind 15+ FPS in a MMO. As long as it's 15+, i'm fine. You are also the perfect example of someone saying he is not a fanboi but is totally one. Never had any problems mentionning i crash and that the game has bugs... not sure from were you are getting that. And yes, you can search my posts
LOTRO is hot, i don't see why you would not post a screenshot of the servers.
Turbine does not bother with the high/ low/medium psychological crap like SOE does. Log into the game and you can find groups at all levels, that says a lot more than some bullshit "soft" population lable
Just post whatever you can man...
EDIT: oh, and a re-review of EQ2 now would probably score higher then any MMO out at the moment.
I seriously doubt that, she was a good game for a while at least once they redid most of their release fuckups and WoWified it after WoW whipped their asses on release. However she is now three years old and never managed to improve game play much although they have added content over the years. Just looking at the forums it seems It still has that horrible memory leak that has been there over a year and a half now. Turbine managed to fix the one LoTRO had during beta shortly after release. Maybe SOE needs to hire some Turbine programmers.
It would rate higher... Even the hype list shows it. If a SOE game is on top of this mmorpg.com list, it means something. Look how VG got down, And it was on top. People voiced their opinion.
Acording to these numbers it really did not sell well for what would be such a strong IP. Like everyone else already stated the game came out in a time where nothing was coming out that was good, MMORPG or not. Yet, somehow, it only managed to stay at the top of sales for a week, right. See this is what I don't get. There's all these people on here making all thes absolute statements. "It didnt' sell for having such a strong IP, not to mention the climate it was launched in...", "It should have done better". And what, pray tell, would have been a successful launch? On what basis? And how is any one person here qualified to say? I mean, the game had a solid, stable launch - this much is pretty much unanimously agreed on. The game has received glowing reviews pretty much across the board. That seems to indicate a successful title to me. The only real consistent complaints I see about the game are the "It's a WoW Clone!" and "Okay, I reached max level in 3 weeks.. Now what?" that seem to plague any so-called "casual friendly" MMO; it's not exclusive to LoTRO. So what other tangible and verifiable evidence does anyone have - outside their own opinions - that would prove either way? Am I posting amongst a bunch of closet industry experts who know the stats like the back of their hand and are speaking with authority? Or, is it a bunch of people who are trying to bolster their opinions with some impressive sounding numbers and strong commentary? Seriously.. I think people on both sides of the fence need to get over themselves a bit and knock themselves back a few notches. We don't even know what the actual number of boxes sold or the actual continuing playerbase figures are, so who can really say? It's all on these theoretical, unverified numbers so far as I can see. Seriously, there's alot of presumption here with little to no actual foundation to speak from. Also to all those who said, well, who cares? The people playing the game should care. The reason why is little to no subs = Not as large of a community. It also gives the short possibility of the game going down the tubes if some people lose interest. Because so long as players find a group they can join and hang with, they're fine. You aren't going to experience any real difference, whether there's 100,000 people online or 200,000. When you get into those kinds of figures, it becomes an abstraction. You're only going to experience the game with a small portion of that player-base that you are actually grouped with, regardless. Saga of Ryzom has a small population, but they are very dedicated to the game and pretty strong as a community. Despite bankruptcies, server merges and "what were they thinking?" type patches, it has a population of players who will stay 'til they turn off the switch because they enjoy the game for the game itself - not for how many people play it. Same with Shadowbane... Same with the rolling train-wreck that is Horizons. In many cases, players couldn't tell you how many play, and they couldn't care less anyway. They're enjoying themselves. In the end, the numbers really do not matter nearly as much as some here want to believe. So long as the company has the funding to continue maintaining the game, people will continue to play it.
Unless someone here is going to tell me that they have personally known and played with every single person on their server? The whole "our population is higher than yours" is just another version of the whole "My MMO is better than your MMO, so nyeh..." It's ridiculous. Play what you enjoy playing and stop worrying how 'the other game" is doing.
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It would rate higher... Even the hype list shows it. If a SOE game is on top of this mmorpg.com list, it means something. Look how VG got down, And it was on top. People voiced their opinion. but how much would it cost them vgmwatch.com/ Is it just me or is there something wrong about game companies wanting to pay reviewers $1000 dollars to review their games?
forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m I haven't crash a single time in EQ2 yet... I have about 1 day of /played Try turning shadows on that always caused me to crash
It would rate higher... Even the hype list shows it. If a SOE game is on top of this mmorpg.com list, it means something. Look how VG got down, And it was on top. People voiced their opinion. but how much would it cost them vgmwatch.com/ Is it just me or is there something wrong about game companies wanting to pay reviewers $1000 dollars to review their games?
forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m I haven't crash a single time in EQ2 yet... I have about 1 day of /played Try turning shadows on that always caused me to crash
LMAO... and how are you proving that Turbine don't pay reviewers? But honestly, if EQ2 is on top here, it does mean something. And thx for the shadow tip.. will stay away from the option (already was anyway).
It would rate higher... Even the hype list shows it. If a SOE game is on top of this mmorpg.com list, it means something. Look how VG got down, And it was on top. People voiced their opinion. but how much would it cost them vgmwatch.com/ Is it just me or is there something wrong about game companies wanting to pay reviewers $1000 dollars to review their games?
forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m I haven't crash a single time in EQ2 yet... I have about 1 day of /played Try turning shadows on that always caused me to crash
LMAO... and how are you proving that Turbine don't pay reviewers? But honestly, if EQ2 is on top here, it does mean something. And thx for the shadow tip.. will stay away from the option (already was anyway).
Now, where is that screenshot?
Screw proving a negative, we both know that cannot be done LOL, however we can easily prove SOE is pulling some low shit here. Possibly trying to get good reviews, possibly their motives were pure and they were just trying to get some feedback on their games. But you still have to admit it looks bad.
Turbine 's launcher just posts the status of the servers, they don't need to put up phony low medium high shit to try and make you think you are playing a popular game. All you have to do is log in to see that you are. Of course I guess that is why EQIi restricts you to the newbie island on their so called trial. They don't want you to see how empty their servers are till you have subscribed.
It would rate higher... Even the hype list shows it. If a SOE game is on top of this mmorpg.com list, it means something. Look how VG got down, And it was on top. People voiced their opinion. but how much would it cost them vgmwatch.com/ Is it just me or is there something wrong about game companies wanting to pay reviewers $1000 dollars to review their games?
forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m I haven't crash a single time in EQ2 yet... I have about 1 day of /played Try turning shadows on that always caused me to crash
LMAO... and how are you proving that Turbine don't pay reviewers? But honestly, if EQ2 is on top here, it does mean something. And thx for the shadow tip.. will stay away from the option (already was anyway).
Now, where is that screenshot?
Screw proving a negative, we both know that cannot be done LOL, however we cqan easily prove SOE is pulling some low shit here trying to get good reviews. Heh heh .
Turbine 's launhcer just posts the status of the servers, they don't need to put up phony low medium high shit to try and make you think you are playing a popular game. All you have to do is log in to see that you are. Of course I guess that is why EQIi restricts you to the newbie island on their so called trial. They don't want you to see how empty their servers are till you have subscribed.
You select a server before going on the island. EQ2 is a good game. Not sure why you keep hammering that EQ2 is not good or in trouble. LOTRO is a fine game and it's doing well too... I'm not currently playing LOTRO so that is why i'm asking for a screnshot. Do some /who then... prove us wrong.
Population is not low in EQ2... despite what you say. I'm in south freeport atm... on VOX (yeah, my guild wanted to play on a low server) and there is 11 players. Not bad if you ask me.
You select a server before going on the island. EQ2 is a good game. Not sure why you keep hammering that EQ2 is not good or in trouble. LOTRO is a fine game and it's doing well too... I'm not currently playing LOTRO so that is why i'm asking for a screnshot. Do some /who then... prove us wrong.
Population is not low in EQ2... despite what you say. I'm in south freeport atm... on VOX (yeah, my guild wanted to play on a low server) and there is 11 players. Not bad if you ask me.
You select a server but you do not see what kind of population it has, only that the launcher classifies it either low medium or high. Yopu never see the mainland till they get a credit card number from you.
Find a post where I ever said EQII was a bad game, can't do that can you? At one time I was one of he few defenders of the game here. Hell if SOE offered me a free trial I would love to see the new areas.I won't pay 15 bucks for that privledge because the last time I canceled it there was a billing problem and I had to change the account number on my credit card to get them to stop charging me.
What can't you understand about Turbines launcher just shows whether the servers are online or not? Why post a screenie of that? Anyway I 'll lay off EQII about the same time as you SOE fanbois lay off LoTRO. LoTRO is a good game, and the genre in whole is better off for Turbine developing it. SOE in particular should take it as a hint to stop releasing games that are buggy, laggy, and have no real content. LoTRO while not perfect surely does not deserve the shit it gets here on this forum.
You select a server before going on the island. EQ2 is a good game. Not sure why you keep hammering that EQ2 is not good or in trouble. LOTRO is a fine game and it's doing well too... I'm not currently playing LOTRO so that is why i'm asking for a screnshot. Do some /who then... prove us wrong.
Population is not low in EQ2... despite what you say. I'm in south freeport atm... on VOX (yeah, my guild wanted to play on a low server) and there is 11 players. Not bad if you ask me.
You select a server but you do not see what kind of population it has, only that the launcher classifies it either low medium or high. Yopu never see the mainland till they get a credit card number from you.
Find a post where I ever said EQII was a bad game, can't do that can you? At one time I was one of he few defenders of the game here. Hell if SOE offered me a free trial I would love to see the new areas.I won't pay 15 bucks for that privledge because the last time I canceled it there was a billing problem and I had to change the account number on my credit card to get them to stop charging me.
What can't you understand about Turbines launcher just shows whether the servers are online or not? Why post a screenie of that? Anyway I 'll lay off EQII about the same time as you SOE fanbois lay off LoTRO. LoTRO is a good game, and the genre in whole is better off for Turbine developing it. SOE in particular should take it as a hint to stop releasing games that are buggy, laggy, and have no real content. LoTRO while not perfect surely does not deserve the shit it gets here on this forum.
Low, medium and heavy is fine... Players will get the meaning. Of course, you want medium to be 10 players, but your figures are wrong
Wow some people need to get a grip, talking about 'what if LotRO goes under'. It is selling well, and could easily become the second most popular mmorpg in the US and Europe. It got rave reviews and is clearly one of the top PvE mmorpgs in the market, period.
Sure some hardcore players may be disillusioned because they have raced thru the initial content.... but LotRO is not aimed at hardcore players. It has a very loyal and active player base among more casual players, many of whom bought lifetime subs. It appeals to a different niche than Warhammer or Conan, so i dont expect to see the game threatened with mass player loss when those games comes out.
It will do fine and will be around for a long time. It isnt going to overtake WoW... but nothing is. There are so many new areas that people will look forward to exploring. And because of the Tolkien fans, it would be a big mistake to underestimate how loyal some players will be to this game.
And because of the Tolkien fans, it would be a big mistake to underestimate how loyal some players will be to this game.
Quite the opposite actually.
I have met quite a few people playing this game who are only there because its Tolkien and Lord of the Rings. There is definitely a substantial group of Tolkien fans playing the game, and its not reasonable to expect those players to act like mmorpg-ers who drift from game to game. I dont know why you would think otherwise.
Wow some people need to get a grip, talking about 'what if LotRO goes under'. It is selling well, and could easily become the second most popular mmorpg in the US and Europe. It got rave reviews and is clearly one of the top PvE mmorpgs in the market, period.
I love this type of spin. All speculation and conjecture, with nothing to back it up. I especially like the "clearly one of the top PvE mmorpgs"... you know, out of all 4 of them.
My point in this thread is that whatever the facts are, 172k NA boxes sold in the first quarter after launch is not a big raving success...
That's the very statement I am debating. I haven't been able to find any evidence of any numbers for MMO's to compare that number to. Do you have other MMO numbers to compare that to for comparison?
I've already stated I am convinced without a doubt the 172k number is completely made up. I have no idea whether the number is too high or too low, but as you say that isn't really all that important.
What I do believe is important in this debate though is how do we know what constitutes "good" numbers of box sales and what constitutes "bad" numbers of box sales.
Without any other MMO box sales for the same time period and for the same geographic area... then how do we compare the numbers? That is the point I was trying to get at.
What was EQ1's box sales, or DAoC, or EQ2, or any MMO for that matter. Without another MMO's box sales for a similar time period and a similar geographic area... kinda pointless to speculate what is good and what is bad.
Its amazing that you guys have been able to beat this puppy for 13 pages without any offical information releases whatso ever. Some of you want to hear bad news you can taste it and if it doesn't come, you will create it.
Well. some goof balls were going around making posts about lotr hitting a million subs..not in this forum or by people who post in this forum, but in the pub and places these posts were showing up. So now anyone can come here flame as a result after the 172k #, just they way it goes. Im surprised more people havent actually, seems mainly people who like eq2 though. I think there is a litle battle going on between the fans (or employees) of each game, not sure why when they're so similar and both get clobbered by warcraft. I think its all quite enjoyable though. People really have some personal interest vested in this games failure or success thats for sure.
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My point in this thread is that whatever the facts are, 172k NA boxes sold in the first quarter after launch is not a big raving success...
That's the very statement I am debating. I haven't been able to find any evidence of any numbers for MMO's to compare that number to. Do you have other MMO numbers to compare that to for comparison?
I've already stated I am convinced without a doubt the 172k number is completely made up. I have no idea whether the number is too high or too low, but as you say that isn't really all that important.
What I do believe is important in this debate though is how do we know what constitutes "good" numbers of box sales and what constitutes "bad" numbers of box sales.
Without any other MMO box sales for the same time period and for the same geographic area... then how do we compare the numbers? That is the point I was trying to get at.
What was EQ1's box sales, or DAoC, or EQ2, or any MMO for that matter. Without another MMO's box sales for a similar time period and a similar geographic area... kinda pointless to speculate what is good and what is bad.
As a general comparison, WoW sold almost 400,000 in the first 2 days in europe (source). In the US it sold an estimated 250,000 in the first 24 hours (source)
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So you are saying you logged on to every server and counted every class in every zoneAnyway this discussion belongs on the EQII boards, most of the LoTRO players now don't really give a flying rat's ass about EQII, at least not the ones I know. It was a nice game for a while, but it is stale now.
I miss DAoC
It's either that or you have inside information that only SOE emplyeees have. I have to wonder if EQII is doing so well as you put it why all of the attention to LoTRO from the obviousEQII/Vanguard fans here? Couldn't be that LoTRO is cutting into the games population is it LOL.
Anyway this discussion belongs on the EQII boards, most of the LoTRO players now don't really give a flying rat's ass about EQII, at least not the ones I know. It was a nice game for a while, but it is stale now.
No why would I have logg in to every server to check it is well enough to log in to one server that is marked as medium and check the population on that one. I dont think that you will have different definition set on every server. So why in earth do you think one have to log inn to every server to check what they state is medium and low.
/who all count 1 10 shows every single player regardless of class that is between level 1 to 10 on every zone. Except for those that are anonymous. In EQ2 the cap is 100 people in VG the cap is 200 people. In EQ you have to fill in the class at lvl 70 as it hits the cap.
By the way I did calculate wrong I had checked classes multiple times. Got 600 for medium and 300 for low on EQ2 server. That is nowhere near the figures you try to make as 10/100 low/medium. For VG figures you have cap at 200 for /who all count x y and no need to count classes there as that was the initial falt with 940.
You have personally brought the discussion into this thread by stating that EQ2 population should not be good and is still on the subject as you have refered SOE campaign with offers to VG contra Turbines campaign. But youre good to make false claims regarding EQ2 in this thread, ok, to motivate your claims on LOTR to be true. But if one can't counter those arguements, don't make them in the first place.
And again there is no reason to believe that they don't have a definition that suits the server population cap. So medium/high still would mean that server population is good.
Still puzzled as to why you would try to say one have to log in at every server as that could mean. Either you say they have different definitions or you sayin my figures would be the grand total for all servers. Which in both cases is a bit funny to say.
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So why should the SOE fans give a shit about what LoTRO is doing or not doing or whether it sold 172K copies in NAmerica in 9 weeks or 9 years? if you are not playing the game then ignore it is my way of thinking. I have made less than 5 posts on the vangaurd forums or the EQII forums since I quit, but you SOE fans just love to bash on a game that has received nothing but rave reviews from the gaming press. Gee, I wonder why LOL
I miss DAoC
I'll say like everyone else... Hey, this is mmorpg.com
LOTRO is hot, i don't see why you would not post a screenshot of the servers.
EDIT: oh, and a re-review of EQ2 now would probably score higher then any MMO out at the moment.
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First of all excuse me because I haven't read the last few pages of all this.
Now it might just be me but didn't Turbine say they were going to announce 1 million subscribers soon? I know I saw that a while back, but I can't seem to find it now.
Acording to these numbers it really did not sell well for what would be such a strong IP. Like everyone else already stated the game came out in a time where nothing was coming out that was good, MMORPG or not. Yet, somehow, it only managed to stay at the top of sales for a week, right.
Also to all those who said, well, who cares? The people playing the game should care. The reason why is little to no subs = Not as large of a community. It also gives the short possibility of the game going down the tubes if some people lose interest.
Personally I am all for whatever kind of MMO that can break into the market. Right now the MMORPG market desperatly needs more high quality tittles, which many games have just failed to give. However if LoTRO fails than we won't have any really strong games coming out until almost next year. (WAR in beginning of 08, AoC mar 08).
I miss DAoC
I'll say like everyone else... Hey, this is mmorpg.com
Heh and you are or were the Vanguardplayer who posted how he never had a framer rate issue, never had a crash to desktop or a hitch when crossing a zone and thought Vanguard was the greatesd game ever released. gee I wonder what bag your marbles are in .It's all well and fine to like a game or a company but there is a fine line between fan and deluded fanbois. At least I know that LOTRO is far not perfect and still need work in some some areas.
LOTRO is hot, i don't see why you would not post a screenshot of the servers.
Turbine does not bother with the high/ low/medium psychological crap like SOE does. Log into the game and you can find groups at all levels, that says a lot more than some bullshit "soft" population lable
EDIT: oh, and a re-review of EQ2 now would probably score higher then any MMO out at the moment.
I seriously doubt that, she was a good game for a while at least once they redid most of their release fuckups and WoWified it after WoW whipped their asses on release. However she is now three years old and never managed to improve game play much although they have added content over the years. Just looking at the forums it seems It still has that horrible memory leak that has been there over a year and a half now. Turbine managed to fix the one LoTRO had during beta shortly after release. Maybe SOE needs to hire some Turbine programmers.
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I miss DAoC
I'll say like everyone else... Hey, this is mmorpg.com
Heh and you are or were the Vanguardplayer who posted how he never had a framer rate issue, never had a crash to desktop or a hitch when crossing a zone and thought Vanguard was the greatesd game ever released. gee I wonder what bag your marbles are in .It's all well and fine to like a game or a company but there is a fine line between fan and deluded fanbois. At least I know that LOTRO is far not perfect and still need work in some some areas.
Look my posts. I crash and have some bugs. I don't mind 15+ FPS in a MMO. As long as it's 15+, i'm fine. You are also the perfect example of someone saying he is not a fanboi but is totally one. Never had any problems mentionning i crash and that the game has bugs... not sure from were you are getting that. And yes, you can search my posts
LOTRO is hot, i don't see why you would not post a screenshot of the servers.
Turbine does not bother with the high/ low/medium psychological crap like SOE does. Log into the game and you can find groups at all levels, that says a lot more than some bullshit "soft" population lable
Just post whatever you can man...
EDIT: oh, and a re-review of EQ2 now would probably score higher then any MMO out at the moment.
I seriously doubt that, she was a good game for a while at least once they redid most of their release fuckups and WoWified it after WoW whipped their asses on release. However she is now three years old and never managed to improve game play much although they have added content over the years. Just looking at the forums it seems It still has that horrible memory leak that has been there over a year and a half now. Turbine managed to fix the one LoTRO had during beta shortly after release. Maybe SOE needs to hire some Turbine programmers.
It would rate higher... Even the hype list shows it. If a SOE game is on top of this mmorpg.com list, it means something. Look how VG got down, And it was on top. People voiced their opinion.
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I haven't crash a single time in EQ2 yet... I have about 1 day of /played
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LMAO... and how are you proving that Turbine don't pay reviewers? But honestly, if EQ2 is on top here, it does mean something. And thx for the shadow tip.. will stay away from the option (already was anyway).Now, where is that screenshot?
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LMAO... and how are you proving that Turbine don't pay reviewers? But honestly, if EQ2 is on top here, it does mean something. And thx for the shadow tip.. will stay away from the option (already was anyway).Now, where is that screenshot?
Screw proving a negative, we both know that cannot be done LOL, however we can easily prove SOE is pulling some low shit here. Possibly trying to get good reviews, possibly their motives were pure and they were just trying to get some feedback on their games. But you still have to admit it looks bad.
Turbine 's launcher just posts the status of the servers, they don't need to put up phony low medium high shit to try and make you think you are playing a popular game. All you have to do is log in to see that you are. Of course I guess that is why EQIi restricts you to the newbie island on their so called trial. They don't want you to see how empty their servers are till you have subscribed.
I miss DAoC
LMAO... and how are you proving that Turbine don't pay reviewers? But honestly, if EQ2 is on top here, it does mean something. And thx for the shadow tip.. will stay away from the option (already was anyway).Now, where is that screenshot?
Screw proving a negative, we both know that cannot be done LOL, however we cqan easily prove SOE is pulling some low shit here trying to get good reviews. Heh heh .
Turbine 's launhcer just posts the status of the servers, they don't need to put up phony low medium high shit to try and make you think you are playing a popular game. All you have to do is log in to see that you are. Of course I guess that is why EQIi restricts you to the newbie island on their so called trial. They don't want you to see how empty their servers are till you have subscribed.
You select a server before going on the island. EQ2 is a good game. Not sure why you keep hammering that EQ2 is not good or in trouble. LOTRO is a fine game and it's doing well too... I'm not currently playing LOTRO so that is why i'm asking for a screnshot. Do some /who then... prove us wrong.Population is not low in EQ2... despite what you say. I'm in south freeport atm... on VOX (yeah, my guild wanted to play on a low server) and there is 11 players. Not bad if you ask me.
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You select a server but you do not see what kind of population it has, only that the launcher classifies it either low medium or high. Yopu never see the mainland till they get a credit card number from you.Find a post where I ever said EQII was a bad game, can't do that can you? At one time I was one of he few defenders of the game here. Hell if SOE offered me a free trial I would love to see the new areas.I won't pay 15 bucks for that privledge because the last time I canceled it there was a billing problem and I had to change the account number on my credit card to get them to stop charging me.
What can't you understand about Turbines launcher just shows whether the servers are online or not? Why post a screenie of that? Anyway I 'll lay off EQII about the same time as you SOE fanbois lay off LoTRO. LoTRO is a good game, and the genre in whole is better off for Turbine developing it. SOE in particular should take it as a hint to stop releasing games that are buggy, laggy, and have no real content. LoTRO while not perfect surely does not deserve the shit it gets here on this forum.
I miss DAoC
Find a post where I ever said EQII was a bad game, can't do that can you? At one time I was one of he few defenders of the game here. Hell if SOE offered me a free trial I would love to see the new areas.I won't pay 15 bucks for that privledge because the last time I canceled it there was a billing problem and I had to change the account number on my credit card to get them to stop charging me.
What can't you understand about Turbines launcher just shows whether the servers are online or not? Why post a screenie of that? Anyway I 'll lay off EQII about the same time as you SOE fanbois lay off LoTRO. LoTRO is a good game, and the genre in whole is better off for Turbine developing it. SOE in particular should take it as a hint to stop releasing games that are buggy, laggy, and have no real content. LoTRO while not perfect surely does not deserve the shit it gets here on this forum.
Low, medium and heavy is fine... Players will get the meaning. Of course, you want medium to be 10 players, but your figures are wrong
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Wow some people need to get a grip, talking about 'what if LotRO goes under'. It is selling well, and could easily become the second most popular mmorpg in the US and Europe. It got rave reviews and is clearly one of the top PvE mmorpgs in the market, period.
Sure some hardcore players may be disillusioned because they have raced thru the initial content.... but LotRO is not aimed at hardcore players. It has a very loyal and active player base among more casual players, many of whom bought lifetime subs. It appeals to a different niche than Warhammer or Conan, so i dont expect to see the game threatened with mass player loss when those games comes out.
It will do fine and will be around for a long time. It isnt going to overtake WoW... but nothing is. There are so many new areas that people will look forward to exploring. And because of the Tolkien fans, it would be a big mistake to underestimate how loyal some players will be to this game.
Elladan - ESO (AD)
Camring - SWTOR (Ebon Hawk)
Eol & Justinian - Rift (Faeblight)
Ceol and Duri - LotRO (Landroval)
Kili - WoW
Eol - Lineage 2
Camring - SWG
Justinian (Nimue), Camring - DAoC
Quite the opposite actually.
Quite the opposite actually.
I have met quite a few people playing this game who are only there because its Tolkien and Lord of the Rings. There is definitely a substantial group of Tolkien fans playing the game, and its not reasonable to expect those players to act like mmorpg-ers who drift from game to game. I dont know why you would think otherwise.
Elladan - ESO (AD)
Camring - SWTOR (Ebon Hawk)
Eol & Justinian - Rift (Faeblight)
Ceol and Duri - LotRO (Landroval)
Kili - WoW
Eol - Lineage 2
Camring - SWG
Justinian (Nimue), Camring - DAoC
I love this type of spin. All speculation and conjecture, with nothing to back it up. I especially like the "clearly one of the top PvE mmorpgs"... you know, out of all 4 of them.
Perception is Reality.
I've already stated I am convinced without a doubt the 172k number is completely made up. I have no idea whether the number is too high or too low, but as you say that isn't really all that important.
What I do believe is important in this debate though is how do we know what constitutes "good" numbers of box sales and what constitutes "bad" numbers of box sales.
Without any other MMO box sales for the same time period and for the same geographic area... then how do we compare the numbers? That is the point I was trying to get at.
What was EQ1's box sales, or DAoC, or EQ2, or any MMO for that matter. Without another MMO's box sales for a similar time period and a similar geographic area... kinda pointless to speculate what is good and what is bad.
Its amazing that you guys have been able to beat this puppy for 13 pages without any offical information releases whatso ever.
Some of you want to hear bad news you can taste it and if it doesn't come, you will create it.
Well. some goof balls were going around making posts about lotr hitting a million subs..not in this forum or by people who post in this forum, but in the pub and places these posts were showing up. So now anyone can come here flame as a result after the 172k #, just they way it goes. Im surprised more people havent actually, seems mainly people who like eq2 though. I think there is a litle battle going on between the fans (or employees) of each game, not sure why when they're so similar and both get clobbered by warcraft. I think its all quite enjoyable though. People really have some personal interest vested in this games failure or success thats for sure.
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That's the very statement I am debating. I haven't been able to find any evidence of any numbers for MMO's to compare that number to. Do you have other MMO numbers to compare that to for comparison?I've already stated I am convinced without a doubt the 172k number is completely made up. I have no idea whether the number is too high or too low, but as you say that isn't really all that important.
What I do believe is important in this debate though is how do we know what constitutes "good" numbers of box sales and what constitutes "bad" numbers of box sales.
Without any other MMO box sales for the same time period and for the same geographic area... then how do we compare the numbers? That is the point I was trying to get at.
What was EQ1's box sales, or DAoC, or EQ2, or any MMO for that matter. Without another MMO's box sales for a similar time period and a similar geographic area... kinda pointless to speculate what is good and what is bad.
As a general comparison, WoW sold almost 400,000 in the first 2 days in europe (source). In the US it sold an estimated 250,000 in the first 24 hours (source)
Just face the truth people. This game has less than 200k subscriptions. There is NO WAY to spin it.