There has been a lot of confusion and debate over the OP's statement "Vanguard if Fixed".
We are all adults here, or at least i hope so, and as such we must engage our brain power a bit.
The heading "Vanguard is Fixed" is just what it is - a heading.
After which the OP goes into telling you what has been fixed and the improvements that he has noticed after the patch.
If you take his heading as his post then you are naivie or stupid, of course Vanguard is not fixed 100%, neither is any other peice of software on the market, maybe expect MS calculator!
There is no doubt that the game has improved considerably and will go on improving with each patch.
The game is playable and fun and has bugs as well. It is ultimatley down to the individual if they can use the software in the current state or not. I can and 1000s can too.
Don't care, its going to take more than someone (or several someones) posting that Vanguard is fixed, to entice alot of the original game purchasers back. We wont be fooled by the is fixed, but hey, we aint going to fork out a months subscription either to take a look, as far as i am concerned this game died 2 mths after release and isnt worth the money or the time to go and take another look at it.
By saying its not worth the time and then coming on this thread to post seems a little contradictive to me friend maybe if the game is not worth your time....dont spend time on it! to me the game is worth my time! hence the reason i post about it. Now fried eggs are something i think are not worth my time! hence the reason you dont see me posting about them
Damn it! i just spent time on fried eggs! ok me and you are one the same haha! but really why if the game is not worth peoples time do they come and waste thier time talking abou it?
Don't care, its going to take more than someone (or several someones) posting that Vanguard is fixed, to entice alot of the original game purchasers back. We wont be fooled by the is fixed, but hey, we aint going to fork out a months subscription either to take a look, as far as i am concerned this game died 2 mths after release and isnt worth the money or the time to go and take another look at it.
By saying its not worth the time and then coming on this thread to post seems a little contradictive to me friend maybe if the game is not worth your time....dont spend time on it! to me the game is worth my time! hence the reason i post about it. Now fried eggs are something i think are not worth my time! hence the reason you dont see me posting about them
Damn it! i just spent time on fried eggs! ok me and you are one the same haha! but really why if the game is not worth peoples time do they come and waste thier time talking abou it?
Because if they didnt then all we would have is people going on about how great it is,This is a forum where people post the good and the bad so players get a view from both sides,If we didnt all we would have is alot of people posting how every game is great.
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
Don't care, its going to take more than someone (or several someones) posting that Vanguard is fixed, to entice alot of the original game purchasers back. We wont be fooled by the is fixed, but hey, we aint going to fork out a months subscription either to take a look, as far as i am concerned this game died 2 mths after release and isnt worth the money or the time to go and take another look at it.
By saying its not worth the time and then coming on this thread to post seems a little contradictive to me friend maybe if the game is not worth your time....dont spend time on it! to me the game is worth my time! hence the reason i post about it. Now fried eggs are something i think are not worth my time! hence the reason you dont see me posting about them
Damn it! i just spent time on fried eggs! ok me and you are one the same haha! but really why if the game is not worth peoples time do they come and waste thier time talking abou it?
I used to play Vanguard wayy back at release, got myself the collectors edition lived through all the early problems, but cancled once the bugs got out of hand for me...
So now I come here to look for information about the game, see how its improved becuase I plan on getting station access soon... and this is what I see?
Pages and pages of people trying to tell the Vanguard players that their game sucks and they should play XYZ? If those games are so awesome, go play em, and stop posting in other forums. I'm tired of trying to read about ANY game on MMORPG.com becuase this is all it is, page after page of flames!
Are people just incable of letting others play what they want? Why must some people be a missah!? *breathe*
Apologies for my rant. Anyways, back in the day I had a Cleric on the middle eastern themed island (forget its name) just wondering how the game is now? Hows cleric these days (seemed a tad overpowered back then so I wouldn't be suprised to hear they got nerfed) I've read lots about this update, and every single one of my friends who I asked about it has only been able to tell me about how much its improved. What can I expect when i go back? Any DRASTIC changes I should be aware of (EQ2 required some huge re-adjustment )
Also, as an aside, the biggest thing thta attracted me to Vanguard orginally was the world. It looked and felt so lush and alive. Also what happned to Fellowships?
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Well I agree with you and this issue seems to be even worst when the subject is Vanguard
Anyway, about your question, I was in beta and at the release, really enjoyed the game universe and concept, but the bugs, content and the broken-game feeling made me stop playing.
I returned now and Im having a really good time, you can expect a lot of quests, good performance, a nice community, a lot of content that really works... and of course a deeper, harder, more expressive and unique game than lotro , wow etc
Cleric still very good, not exacly overpowered but not nerfed too
Fellowship is called Brotherhood now, but it works in the same way.
If you like the universe of Vanguard but were disapointed in the first months, well, you problably will love the game now.
Thats fair enough but if you actualy read the post i am talking about it doesnt offer any opinion other than he doesnt care and its not worth his time. when i post something its either putting across an opinion or maybe even just enjoying the chat with others. If something is not worth my time i am not about to state that in a post that is actually taking my time to type.....that to me would make me a hypocrite!
I understand that people want to let others know why they dont like the game but at least have the decency to put in an opinion or at least a reason excuse me if it seems i am being a little harsh but surely you can see my point.
Thats fair enough but if you actualy read the post i am talking about it doesnt offer any opinion other than he doesnt care and its not worth his time. when i post something its either putting across an opinion or maybe even just enjoying the chat with others. If something is not worth my time i am not about to state that in a post that is actually taking my time to type.....that to me would make me a hypocrite! I understand that people want to let others know why they dont like the game but at least have the decency to put in an opinion or at least a reason excuse me if it seems i am being a little harsh but surely you can see my point.
i can see your point that he didnt go into more detail other than "not worth my time"but then again not every poster does go into detail just maybe 1 line or even "game sux"but like I said in my last post if thats there opinion then fair enough,The more someone goes into detail the more attention i will give there post but to say "why do people post if the game isnt worth there time"is also a bit silly as they are just warning other players of there thoughts on the game and again like I said in my last post if we only got postive posts on all games it really wouldnt be a forum as much as a love fest and every game would be great.
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
No friend you are missing my point. there is nothing at all wrong with a post about something negative towards the game...that is each to thier own. But if you read his post he has not given any opinion on the game, not even a negative one. now put yourself in another situation! You dont like football and think it is a waste of your time...now come on be honest! would you log onto a football forum to tell people you think it is a waste of your time? if you logged on and told people why then fair enough, but honestly read his post, then come back and tell me why he does not like the game.
And before you say! No i dont think anyone has to give any reason as to why they dont like a game that is up to them, just like it is up to me to like a game. what i dont understand is why take the time to explain why its not worth your time, when you are actually spending your time to post it lol.
No friend you are missing my point. there is nothing at all wrong with a post about something negative towards the game...that is each to thier own. But if you read his post he has not given any opinion on the game, not even a negative one. now put yourself in another situation! You dont like football and think it is a waste of your time...now come on be honest! would you log onto a football forum to tell people you think it is a waste of your time? if you logged on and told people why then fair enough, but honestly read his post, then come back and tell me why he does not like the game. And before you say! No i dont think anyone has to give any reason as to why they dont like a game that is up to them, just like it is up to me to like a game. what i dont understand is why take the time to explain why its not worth your time, when you are actually spending your time to post it lol.
Well I cant understand the football bit,No if I didnt like football I wouldnt go onto a football forum to say it isnt worth my time,Then again this is something totally different,The poster likes to play MMORPG or he wouldnt be on this forum the same as I wouldnt be on a football forum if I didnt like football.
I think him stating it isnt worth his time is all be it a very vague opinion it is his opinion of the game,Yes he could have said "this game isnt worth my time as I find it(insert 2 paragraphs of his findings on the game)I do agree with you there but like I said some posters just say a couple of words as they feel that is enough,I mean how times have you seen someone post"game rocks"or "game sux"or indeed "not worth the time of day"etc etc.
To me at least I think he is giving an opinion on the game and it is very clear it is a negative one.
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
So what your pings high do you think everybody has never played another mmo. ive had my ping shoot to 15,000 in wow many times for no reason what so ever and stay there for days on end. me and my wife just dreaded holidays playing that game because blizzard couldnt even patch in there holiday content without borking there servers for days sometimes a full week . The ping would be so bad you couldnt even use a vendor properly
I dont know why you people try to single out vanguard for stuff every game out there is guilty of . It was a big patch plus it added holiday content to the game for the first time , blizzard couldnt even get it right on there 3rd year of added the exact same holiday content as they added the year before .
I see we are just not going to agree on this one friend i didnt mean it to sound like i think he doesn't have a right to say it more that i would rather see more substance in a post. yes there are many that offer one liners but i also think most can agree those are usally people just trying to bump thier posts up, which i have no problem with. It's just when a decent discussion is taking place it;s a little annoying to see someone come in just to get a count up
I see what your saying about my example and i admit thinking about it that was a bad example. a better one would be myself...go and take a look through the LOTRO forums and try to find a post from me. i assure you that you wont. i played the trial and to me the game is not worth my time. so i dont comment on it or post about it, hell i dont even go near thier forum as i have no interest in it. But maybe the poster i refer to is different to me and although he has no interest in the game he still likes to pop on and read about it and comment
But back to the subject.
VG is not fixed in the sense that the game is polished and ready to take on the world. it has a long way to go for that and may never get there. But in terms of playabliity the game is playable now and on an average rig like mine runs just as well as any other standard mmorg. what people need to realise though is there are certain things that cannot be fixed! the gameplay is not broken, so if it is not your style then dont come back in a month and expect to like it...you wont. The graphic style is not broken, though in some areas it may need the art redoing (chars one example ) but the overall style is not broke so again if you dont like it...then you wont in 2 months time or ever 2 years time. If you dont like the opent quiet areas that telon offers then again you will never like it. the game was never meant to be packed to the rafters with mobs.
If you want to know how much the game has inproved in performance then in my opinion i would say its around 75% effecient. Ok not great but playable. some of the content additions etc are really nice, like the maps for instance. The changes to the ranger class are great too
Sounds promising but I am still weary of this title because of the dumbing down changes coming. If Sony releases information stating they will not be dumbing down the game with more teleports, easy death penalties and quicker xp then I will pick up the game.
Im a VG player friend you may say a vanboy. and all i can do is agree with you there, i am a little worried about that myself as i fondly rememer the old eq grind and loved it. i do hope that with the added content they also spice the mobs up to cope with the influx of better equip etc.
Yes, I still have my sub running (I'm stupid like that, what can I say?)Now I will give them kudo's for getting the FPS up to speed. Grats on getting the game in a semi-playable state in that respect....finally, it only took what, 11 months?. Still a lot of bugs though. Don't log off in the Dwarf city unless you want to be logging into an insta death. I went to check out the new Khal however and it was still the same slide show though. I don't want to hear any crap about my PC, I play multiplayer CoD4 and Crysis on high flawlessly. Vanguard is graphically inferior to both of those games (and Vanguard actually gets to collect money from me, I am such a f**king jacka**, anyone have any swamp land for sale? Apparently I am stupid enough to give my money to just about anything)
But anyway, the core problem of this game still exist. Its not very compelling to play. All it is is a grind race to level cap. Kill 10 of this, kill 10 of that. It totally fails on every level to create an emersive, dynamic world. SOE is now defaulting to tried and true conventions like adding in raids to keep everyone busy onc ethey hit level cap. ALl we need now is a collection system and we have EQ 1.9
The community is still in shambles. The guild I was in is all inactive. Khal looked really nice but in prime time on my server there were a whopping 5 people there. (Halgar) The game is at pre-merge pops on my server at least.
Some day I will learn. Just like that Tabula Rasa game..."hey, lets play lineage 2 with laser guns and NGE combat, cause killing 200 Thrak soldiers sounds fun and challenging! "
Vanguard fixed? Hmmm...no. Yes, I still have my sub running (I'm stupid like that, what can I say?)Now I will give them kudo's for getting the FPS up to speed. Grats on getting the game in a semi-playable state in that respect....finally, it only took what, 11 months?. Still a lot of bugs though. Don't log off in the Dwarf city unless you want to be logging into an insta death. I went to check out the new Khal however and it was still the same slide show though. I don't want to hear any crap about my PC, I play multiplayer CoD4 and Crysis on high flawlessly. Vanguard is graphically inferior to both of those games (and Vanguard actually gets to collect money from me, I am such a f**king jacka**, anyone have any swamp land for sale? Apparently I am stupid enough to give my money to just about anything) But anyway, the core problem of this game still exist. Its not very compelling to play. All it is is a grind race to level cap. Kill 10 of this, kill 10 of that. It totally fails on every level to create an emersive, dynamic world. SOE is now defaulting to tried and true conventions like adding in raids to keep everyone busy onc ethey hit level cap. ALl we need now is a collection system and we have EQ 1.9 The community is still in shambles. The guild I was in is all inactive. Khal looked really nice but in prime time on my server there were a whopping 5 people there. (Halgar) The game is at pre-merge pops on my server at least. Some day I will learn. Just like that Tabula Rasa game..."hey, lets play lineage 2 with laser guns and NGE combat, cause killing 200 Thrak soldiers sounds fun and challenging! "
Exaggerations and lies.
Amongst other: Even on nonprime the last 2 days Sartok one had 20-25 people in Kahl. Currently on Halgar one have 27 people in Kahl, which is also nonprime.
Vanguard fixed? Hmmm...no. Yes, I still have my sub running (I'm stupid like that, what can I say?)Now I will give them kudo's for getting the FPS up to speed. Grats on getting the game in a semi-playable state in that respect....finally, it only took what, 11 months?. Still a lot of bugs though. Don't log off in the Dwarf city unless you want to be logging into an insta death. I went to check out the new Khal however and it was still the same slide show though. I don't want to hear any crap about my PC, I play multiplayer CoD4 and Crysis on high flawlessly. Vanguard is graphically inferior to both of those games (and Vanguard actually gets to collect money from me, I am such a f**king jacka**, anyone have any swamp land for sale? Apparently I am stupid enough to give my money to just about anything) But anyway, the core problem of this game still exist. Its not very compelling to play. All it is is a grind race to level cap. Kill 10 of this, kill 10 of that. It totally fails on every level to create an emersive, dynamic world. SOE is now defaulting to tried and true conventions like adding in raids to keep everyone busy onc ethey hit level cap. ALl we need now is a collection system and we have EQ 1.9 The community is still in shambles. The guild I was in is all inactive. Khal looked really nice but in prime time on my server there were a whopping 5 people there. (Halgar) The game is at pre-merge pops on my server at least. Some day I will learn. Just like that Tabula Rasa game..."hey, lets play lineage 2 with laser guns and NGE combat, cause killing 200 Thrak soldiers sounds fun and challenging! "
Exaggerations and lies.
Amongst other: Even on nonprime the last 2 days Sartok one had 20-25 people in Kahl. Currently on Halgar one have 27 people in Kahl, which is also nonprime.
1/3 of which are gold spammers 1/3 of which are mules lol
Even if they are individual playing accounts you think only 25 people in a Major Hub city is good or indicative of a healthy growing community?
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Exaggerations and lies. Amongst other: Even on nonprime the last 2 days Sartok one had 20-25 people in Kahl. Currently on Halgar one have 27 people in Kahl, which is also nonprime.
Exaggerations and lies. Amongst other: Even on nonprime the last 2 days Sartok one had 20-25 people in Kahl. Currently on Halgar one have 27 people in Kahl, which is also nonprime.
What are you, the Vanguard Census Bureau?
Nope a simple login and / will do the trick. If you didn't know that I found it hard to believe that you actually did check it out (Neglecting you stating it would be 5 people prime time).
So uhm because someone confronted your fables you have to belittle them? Would it not be better to not exxagerate and lie from starters.
Exaggerations and lies. Amongst other: Even on nonprime the last 2 days Sartok one had 20-25 people in Kahl. Currently on Halgar one have 27 people in Kahl, which is also nonprime.
What are you, the Vanguard Census Bureau?
hahahaha, still laughing here. Nice one oOooO an mmorpg with 20-25 people in Kahl haha *wipes tears* Now how many teams can you create with that setup?
I recently tried it again and was delighted to see some improvement, but I really had no problem running the game at decent frames at release, and I only came across a few really annoying bugs while I first played, but I do agree that there is an underlying aspect of the game that is missing, as Torak mentioned, and that is motivation.
The gameworld still seems pretty dynamic and is nice to look at and exlore, there are plenty of quests, crafting is deep enough, diplomacy is fun and innovative, but why am I doing it all again? Just to get to max level? Without the community, it just seems pointless. If a resurgence of players returns to play, then so will I, because lately I haven't seen or heard from any other players while I've been running around near Tursh, and this is not a game to play solo.
Exaggerations and lies. Amongst other: Even on nonprime the last 2 days Sartok one had 20-25 people in Kahl. Currently on Halgar one have 27 people in Kahl, which is also nonprime.
Even if they are individual playing accounts you think only 25 people in a Major Hub city is good or indicative of a healthy growing community?
I don't know what would be indicative of a healthy growing population concering Vanguard.
25 people in Ironforge would not indicate a good populated wow-server. But, again, what would be the corresponding number be for Vanguard. With this "" I would assume that you think you know that 25 isn't, I don't think you do know though.
Exaggerations and lies. Amongst other: Even on nonprime the last 2 days Sartok one had 20-25 people in Kahl. Currently on Halgar one have 27 people in Kahl, which is also nonprime.
What are you, the Vanguard Census Bureau?
hahahaha, still laughing here. Nice one oOooO an mmorpg with 20-25 people in Kahl haha *wipes tears* Now how many teams can you create with that setup?
So what other mmorpgs with a town called Kahl are you suggesting there are?
But then again I find it pretty stupid of you proving that the OP's earlier statements about you to be thougth of as true. So why the trolling?
I don't know what would be indicative of a healthy growing population concering Vanguard. 25 people in Ironforge would not indicate a good populated wow-server. But, again, what would be the corresponding number be for Vanguard. With this "" I would assume that you think you know that 25 isn't, I don't think you do know though.
Thats a quick conclusion. Why do you think Ironforge was so busy? Right, Blizzard intentional placed important things into that city and made a FP to almost every important Instance. Vanguard on the other hand doesn't force you to go to a big town to do banking or actions, thats why the major cities are emptier then say, Lagforce.
But if you think anybody can say a thing about population only by looking at the playernumbers inside a big town is plain stupid!
Fixed as in spayed / neutered I hope! Cause I do not want to see another like it. truenorthbg, swede2 your kind of fanaticism for Vanguard does more harm than good. You will never understand that though I'm sure. Enjoy your game.
I pay a monthly fee to sony to play vanguard to do exactly what there doing and thats fix bugs , patch in content and improve performance . yes i like the game alot , i have a great guild with a awesome website and there own custom UI for vanguard. And we enjoy playing with each other and working together to get a guild hall and boats and houses for everyone . whats wrong with that
Paying sony to play vanguard is no different than paying to play any other game am still paying for the same reasons. Because am more tolerant of what i consider minor little bugs that ive seen in every online game ive ever played, am all of a sudden the doom of mmo's give me break . You go ahead and sit there and wait for the perfect game to come out thats your choice but i think your going to be waiting for a long time
There's no doubt vanguard needs more patchs and more bug fixing but there's more than enough great content for me to see and do . I've played since day 1 i havent done even close to half the content am not even high enough level to even go to the new raid stuff they put in . when my guilds ready to go there i will to. We have to many other things to do to worry about APW
Really sorry i like vanguard if it hurts your feelings to bad.
I don't know what would be indicative of a healthy growing population concering Vanguard.
25 people in Ironforge would not indicate a good populated wow-server. But, again, what would be the corresponding number be for Vanguard. With this "" I would assume that you think you know that 25 isn't, I don't think you do know though.
Thats a quick conclusion. Why do you think Ironforge was so busy? Right, Blizzard intentional placed important things into that city and made a FP to almost every important Instance. Vanguard on the other hand doesn't force you to go to a big town to do banking or actions, thats why the major cities are emptier then say, Lagforce.
But if you think anybody can say a thing about population only by looking at the playernumbers inside a big town is plain stupid!
But I didn't say that did I.
So still... If there would be 25 people in a town designed the way you described it, especially when it is intentional, like Ironforge in this example. It would even after you clearifying this even be a bigger sign of a non good populated wow-server.
And then with your statement about Vanguards design maybe one can think that 25 or so people in Kahl is a sign of a good population.
So what was you intentions here? To prove my point?
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There has been a lot of confusion and debate over the OP's statement "Vanguard if Fixed".
We are all adults here, or at least i hope so, and as such we must engage our brain power a bit.
The heading "Vanguard is Fixed" is just what it is - a heading.
After which the OP goes into telling you what has been fixed and the improvements that he has noticed after the patch.
If you take his heading as his post then you are naivie or stupid, of course Vanguard is not fixed 100%, neither is any other peice of software on the market, maybe expect MS calculator!
There is no doubt that the game has improved considerably and will go on improving with each patch.
The game is playable and fun and has bugs as well. It is ultimatley down to the individual if they can use the software in the current state or not. I can and 1000s can too.
Get over it already................
Damn it! i just spent time on fried eggs! ok me and you are one the same haha! but really why if the game is not worth peoples time do they come and waste thier time talking abou it?
Damn it! i just spent time on fried eggs! ok me and you are one the same haha! but really why if the game is not worth peoples time do they come and waste thier time talking abou it?
Because if they didnt then all we would have is people going on about how great it is,This is a forum where people post the good and the bad so players get a view from both sides,If we didnt all we would have is alot of people posting how every game is great.
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/235780/page/8
Damn it! i just spent time on fried eggs! ok me and you are one the same haha! but really why if the game is not worth peoples time do they come and waste thier time talking abou it?
becasue haters have nothing better to do.
Well I agree with you and this issue seems to be even worst when the subject is Vanguard
Anyway, about your question, I was in beta and at the release, really enjoyed the game universe and concept, but the bugs, content and the broken-game feeling made me stop playing.
I returned now and Im having a really good time, you can expect a lot of quests, good performance, a nice community, a lot of content that really works... and of course a deeper, harder, more expressive and unique game than lotro , wow etc
Cleric still very good, not exacly overpowered but not nerfed too
Fellowship is called Brotherhood now, but it works in the same way.
If you like the universe of Vanguard but were disapointed in the first months, well, you problably will love the game now.
Thats fair enough but if you actualy read the post i am talking about it doesnt offer any opinion other than he doesnt care and its not worth his time. when i post something its either putting across an opinion or maybe even just enjoying the chat with others. If something is not worth my time i am not about to state that in a post that is actually taking my time to type.....that to me would make me a hypocrite!
I understand that people want to let others know why they dont like the game but at least have the decency to put in an opinion or at least a reason
excuse me if it seems i am being a little harsh but surely you can see my point.
i can see your point that he didnt go into more detail other than "not worth my time"but then again not every poster does go into detail just maybe 1 line or even "game sux"but like I said in my last post if thats there opinion then fair enough,The more someone goes into detail the more attention i will give there post but to say "why do people post if the game isnt worth there time"is also a bit silly as they are just warning other players of there thoughts on the game and again like I said in my last post if we only got postive posts on all games it really wouldnt be a forum as much as a love fest and every game would be great.
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/235780/page/8
No friend you are missing my point. there is nothing at all wrong with a post about something negative towards the game...that is each to thier own. But if you read his post he has not given any opinion on the game, not even a negative one. now put yourself in another situation! You dont like football and think it is a waste of your time...now come on be honest! would you log onto a football forum to tell people you think it is a waste of your time? if you logged on and told people why then fair enough, but honestly read his post, then come back and tell me why he does not like the game.
And before you say! No i dont think anyone has to give any reason as to why they dont like a game that is up to them, just like it is up to me to like a game. what i dont understand is why take the time to explain why its not worth your time, when you are actually spending your time to post it lol.
Well I cant understand the football bit,No if I didnt like football I wouldnt go onto a football forum to say it isnt worth my time,Then again this is something totally different,The poster likes to play MMORPG or he wouldnt be on this forum the same as I wouldnt be on a football forum if I didnt like football.
I think him stating it isnt worth his time is all be it a very vague opinion it is his opinion of the game,Yes he could have said "this game isnt worth my time as I find it(insert 2 paragraphs of his findings on the game)I do agree with you there but like I said some posters just say a couple of words as they feel that is enough,I mean how times have you seen someone post"game rocks"or "game sux"or indeed "not worth the time of day"etc etc.
To me at least I think he is giving an opinion on the game and it is very clear it is a negative one.
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/235780/page/8
I dont know why you people try to single out vanguard for stuff every game out there is guilty of . It was a big patch plus it added holiday content to the game for the first time , blizzard couldnt even get it right on there 3rd year of added the exact same holiday content as they added the year before .
I see we are just not going to agree on this one friend
i didnt mean it to sound like i think he doesn't have a right to say it more that i would rather see more substance in a post. yes there are many that offer one liners but i also think most can agree those are usally people just trying to bump thier posts up, which i have no problem with. It's just when a decent discussion is taking place it;s a little annoying to see someone come in just to get a count up 
I see what your saying about my example and i admit thinking about it that was a bad example. a better one would be myself...go and take a look through the LOTRO forums and try to find a post from me. i assure you that you wont. i played the trial and to me the game is not worth my time. so i dont comment on it or post about it, hell i dont even go near thier forum as i have no interest in it. But maybe the poster i refer to is different to me and although he has no interest in the game he still likes to pop on and read about it and comment
But back to the subject.
VG is not fixed in the sense that the game is polished and ready to take on the world. it has a long way to go for that and may never get there. But in terms of playabliity the game is playable now and on an average rig like mine runs just as well as any other standard mmorg. what people need to realise though is there are certain things that cannot be fixed! the gameplay is not broken, so if it is not your style then dont come back in a month and expect to like it...you wont. The graphic style is not broken, though in some areas it may need the art redoing (chars one example ) but the overall style is not broke so again if you dont like it...then you wont in 2 months time or ever 2 years time. If you dont like the opent quiet areas that telon offers then again you will never like it. the game was never meant to be packed to the rafters with mobs.
If you want to know how much the game has inproved in performance then in my opinion i would say its around 75% effecient. Ok not great but playable. some of the content additions etc are really nice, like the maps for instance. The changes to the ranger class are great too
Sounds promising but I am still weary of this title because of the dumbing down changes coming. If Sony releases information stating they will not be dumbing down the game with more teleports, easy death penalties and quicker xp then I will pick up the game.
Im a VG player friend you may say a vanboy. and all i can do is agree with you there, i am a little worried about that myself as i fondly rememer the old eq grind and loved it. i do hope that with the added content they also spice the mobs up to cope with the influx of better equip etc.
Vanguard fixed? Hmmm...no.
Yes, I still have my sub running (I'm stupid like that, what can I say?)Now I will give them kudo's for getting the FPS up to speed. Grats on getting the game in a semi-playable state in that respect....finally, it only took what, 11 months?. Still a lot of bugs though. Don't log off in the Dwarf city unless you want to be logging into an insta death. I went to check out the new Khal however and it was still the same slide show though. I don't want to hear any crap about my PC, I play multiplayer CoD4 and Crysis on high flawlessly. Vanguard is graphically inferior to both of those games (and Vanguard actually gets to collect money from me, I am such a f**king jacka**, anyone have any swamp land for sale? Apparently I am stupid enough to give my money to just about anything)
But anyway, the core problem of this game still exist. Its not very compelling to play. All it is is a grind race to level cap. Kill 10 of this, kill 10 of that. It totally fails on every level to create an emersive, dynamic world. SOE is now defaulting to tried and true conventions like adding in raids to keep everyone busy onc ethey hit level cap. ALl we need now is a collection system and we have EQ 1.9
The community is still in shambles. The guild I was in is all inactive. Khal looked really nice but in prime time on my server there were a whopping 5 people there. (Halgar) The game is at pre-merge pops on my server at least.
Some day I will learn. Just like that Tabula Rasa game..."hey, lets play lineage 2 with laser guns and NGE combat, cause killing 200 Thrak soldiers sounds fun and challenging! "
Exaggerations and lies.
Amongst other: Even on nonprime the last 2 days Sartok one had 20-25 people in Kahl. Currently on Halgar one have 27 people in Kahl, which is also nonprime.
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"
Exaggerations and lies.
Amongst other: Even on nonprime the last 2 days Sartok one had 20-25 people in Kahl. Currently on Halgar one have 27 people in Kahl, which is also nonprime.
1/3 of which are gold spammers 1/3 of which are mules lol
Even if they are individual playing accounts you think only 25 people in a Major Hub city is good or indicative of a healthy growing community?
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Nope a simple login and / will do the trick. If you didn't know that I found it hard to believe that you actually did check it out (Neglecting you stating it would be 5 people prime time).
So uhm because someone confronted your fables you have to belittle them? Would it not be better to not exxagerate and lie from starters.
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"
hahahaha, still laughing here. Nice one
I recently tried it again and was delighted to see some improvement, but I really had no problem running the game at decent frames at release, and I only came across a few really annoying bugs while I first played, but I do agree that there is an underlying aspect of the game that is missing, as Torak mentioned, and that is motivation.
The gameworld still seems pretty dynamic and is nice to look at and exlore, there are plenty of quests, crafting is deep enough, diplomacy is fun and innovative, but why am I doing it all again? Just to get to max level? Without the community, it just seems pointless. If a resurgence of players returns to play, then so will I, because lately I haven't seen or heard from any other players while I've been running around near Tursh, and this is not a game to play solo.
Even if they are individual playing accounts you think only 25 people in a Major Hub city is good or indicative of a healthy growing community?
I don't know what would be indicative of a healthy growing population concering Vanguard.
25 people in Ironforge would not indicate a good populated wow-server. But, again, what would be the corresponding number be for Vanguard. With this "
" I would assume that you think you know that 25 isn't, I don't think you do know though.
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"
What are you, the Vanguard Census Bureau?hahahaha, still laughing here. Nice one
So what other mmorpgs with a town called Kahl are you suggesting there are?
But then again I find it pretty stupid of you proving that the OP's earlier statements about you to be thougth of as true. So why the trolling?
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"
Thats a quick conclusion. Why do you think Ironforge was so busy? Right, Blizzard intentional placed important things into that city and made a FP to almost every important Instance. Vanguard on the other hand doesn't force you to go to a big town to do banking or actions, thats why the major cities are emptier then say, Lagforce.
But if you think anybody can say a thing about population only by looking at the playernumbers inside a big town is plain stupid!
I pay a monthly fee to sony to play vanguard to do exactly what there doing and thats fix bugs , patch in content and improve performance . yes i like the game alot , i have a great guild with a awesome website and there own custom UI for vanguard. And we enjoy playing with each other and working together to get a guild hall and boats and houses for everyone . whats wrong with that
Paying sony to play vanguard is no different than paying to play any other game am still paying for the same reasons. Because am more tolerant of what i consider minor little bugs that ive seen in every online game ive ever played, am all of a sudden the doom of mmo's give me break . You go ahead and sit there and wait for the perfect game to come out thats your choice but i think your going to be waiting for a long time
There's no doubt vanguard needs more patchs and more bug fixing but there's more than enough great content for me to see and do . I've played since day 1 i havent done even close to half the content am not even high enough level to even go to the new raid stuff they put in . when my guilds ready to go there i will to. We have to many other things to do to worry about APW
Really sorry i like vanguard if it hurts your feelings to bad.
Thats a quick conclusion. Why do you think Ironforge was so busy? Right, Blizzard intentional placed important things into that city and made a FP to almost every important Instance. Vanguard on the other hand doesn't force you to go to a big town to do banking or actions, thats why the major cities are emptier then say, Lagforce.
But if you think anybody can say a thing about population only by looking at the playernumbers inside a big town is plain stupid!
But I didn't say that did I.
So still... If there would be 25 people in a town designed the way you described it, especially when it is intentional, like Ironforge in this example. It would even after you clearifying this even be a bigger sign of a non good populated wow-server.
And then with your statement about Vanguards design maybe one can think that 25 or so people in Kahl is a sign of a good population.
So what was you intentions here? To prove my point?
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"