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The sad state this game REALLY is in
Let's put things into PERSPECTIVE shall we? and dish out a little bit of a REALITY CHECK to delusional who still follow this 7 year old illusion and get excited over players standing on terrain screenshots.
Since this was first announced publicaly back in 2001 the only things they have EVER released from it are a few video's showing a camera floating around some buildings and terrain with 2003'ish graphics , some world screenshots , and some extremely basic gameplay vids that would not take any game dev studio any longer than maybe 6 months to do.
^ FACT.
After 7 years they still haven't shown ANY of the following stuff in-game in any kind of functioning form.
Skills or ability’s.
Character creation. - this one's really sad considering it's the earliest and most basic thing you develop for one of these games
Character customization
Character equipment and inventory
World map
Quests
Crafting
Resource gathering.
NPC hirelings
Guild interface
City building
City sieging
Login screen/character selection
NPC enemy camps
Banking, market, mail system
Travel system
NPC’s
Alignment system
Chat interface
Trading
So please.. let's stiop getting excited over some player models standing around some tree's. Ya??? Ok.
This game would be absolutely perfect for a pen and paper table top RPG. Because that's exactly what people do and have been doing while following this for all these years --- looking at some empty screenshots and videos , than filling in the rest with their imaginations.
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In fact they have shown NPCs and character inventories and equipment. I know this, and I don't follow the game that heavily. So I'm willing to bet theres a few other "facts" on your list that are false as well. It doesn't help that you registered today just to make this post either
A decent ploy.
But i'm afraid those who need to understand your statement are beyond redemption. The others have gotten a clue for a while now and moved on...
Creativity : The ability to transcend traditional ideas, rules, patterns, relationships, or the like, and to create meaningful new ideas, forms, methods or interpretations; using originality, progressiveness, or imagination.
And you opinion is somehow important to us? Lame trolling.
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The Sceptics, yes they're special but we've need them to.. I guess.
And if they're put more effort MMORPG.com can create a 'Team Sceptic'
and send them to the Special Olympus.
He still has a point though. They didn't really show anything to get excited about yet. And considering how long this game is in development just makes it worse.
If you think someone is a troll every time he doesn't appraise the game you're falling for, you are completely missing the whole point of having a forum at first place. It is called a "forum" for a reason. I think what you're looking for is more along the way of "Comments & Feedback" box, where people can't argue on them since they go straight to the developer mail box, (or trash) and where you don't have to debate your point of view.
Forum's are about keeping an OPEN MIND so a PRODUCTIVE DEBATE can occur. Calling other people's opinion not important or worst, "trolling" just because it goes against your way is both close minded, and counter-productive.
Creativity : The ability to transcend traditional ideas, rules, patterns, relationships, or the like, and to create meaningful new ideas, forms, methods or interpretations; using originality, progressiveness, or imagination.
I'm skeptical of it too, but why do you even bother posting this kind of thing? Everyone is aware that the Darkfall devs are very tight lipped, for what reason we can only speculate. For most games, a lot of stuff in that list doesn't come out until beta or later. They're a very weird company, I'll admit though.
If you think someone is a troll every time he doesn't appraise the game you're falling for, you are completely missing the whole point of having a forum at first place. It is called a "forum" for a reason. I think what you're looking for is more along the way of "Comments & Feedback" box, where people can't argue on them since they go straight to the developer mail box, (or trash) and where you don't have to debate your point of view.
Forum's are about keeping an OPEN MIND so a PRODUCTIVE DEBATE can occur. Calling other people's opinion not important or worst, "trolling" just because it goes against your way is both close minded, and counter-productive.
And those statements are FAQs? Or just hes own opinion?Trolling
Posting excessive negative comments or baiting others to respond in a negative manner is considered trolling on the MMORPG.com forums.
I can't see anything positive with this thread. I bet we can't even give the FAQs from Aventurine about the game to change hes opinion in any point.
This is just another alt account. Probably that 28days guy again (my own thought)
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The Sceptics, yes they're special but we've need them to.. I guess.
And if they're put more effort MMORPG.com can create a 'Team Sceptic'
and send them to the Special Olympus.
lol, 28days version 8.
Account has been stolen, why would someone want to steal my account?
Maybe... I can't tell which incarnation of a possible previously banned member it is. I just have to focus on the point that he made, and since i tend to agree with most of what he says, i was just surprised to see the etiquette "troll" thrown at him.
I'm also aware of the troll description made by MMORPG.com, and i believe it's still just a judgement call. This removes a lot of the freedom we have to debate on many issues, because you could accuse any perfectly well thought post to be a troll bait as well. The line to cross to become a troll is not clear to me right now. If anything, what i'm saying here could be considered trolling by some of you for all that i know. (And then, it's pretty easy to all fall under the troll etiquette as soon as we oppose someones idea)
Anyhow... I wish a game such as Darkfall would see the day, because it has a lot of genuine concept that i would like to see implemented to break the mold of this industry. Alas, all the clues i have on the table thus far, leads me to believe it's one of the most inflated bubble of vaporware i've seen in a decade.
Creativity : The ability to transcend traditional ideas, rules, patterns, relationships, or the like, and to create meaningful new ideas, forms, methods or interpretations; using originality, progressiveness, or imagination.
If you think someone is a troll every time he doesn't appraise the game you're falling for, you are completely missing the whole point of having a forum at first place. It is called a "forum" for a reason. I think what you're looking for is more along the way of "Comments & Feedback" box, where people can't argue on them since they go straight to the developer mail box, (or trash) and where you don't have to debate your point of view.
Forum's are about keeping an OPEN MIND so a PRODUCTIVE DEBATE can occur. Calling other people's opinion not important or worst, "trolling" just because it goes against your way is both close minded, and counter-productive.
Says the person with 8 posts who also just joined the forums recently.
You have to understand, there is a phenomenon with the DF forum in that there is constantly people creating new accounts and the first (and sometimes only) thing they do is attack DF. Most of us suspect they are the same folks, who just keep getting banned over and over, but the fact remains, their principle mission seems to be to troll this forum. (not saying you are btw)
So many of us are very skeptical of posters with short history here who do nothing but dredge up the exact same thing others have posted before.
Now, back to the OP's list of "facts" since I don't want to be off topic. While its true the developers haven't shown us many of the features on the list, one problem with his argument is, just because he hasn't seen them, doesn't mean they don't exist.
See, we're sort of at a stalemate, neither of us can really prove the other person wrong.
And so what if people want to keep hoping for DF to one day be released? Nothing wrong with dreaming, and it certainly isn't hurting any of the folks who decry the game to let them keep waiting for it.
No, I actually view the OP as a trolling attempt, rather than reasonable debate as you are suggesting.
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
Thanks for pointing out his post count, I didn't notice it previously, but new people that spend all of their time in the darkfall forum are usually multiple accounts created by one person (So one account can agree with the first).
Yes, the OP's post is an attempted flame - Hes been away for a week and he wants to justify why all the screenshots have been released. Is it 28days aka about 6 other names? - Yes probably.
The darkfall team actually said they had a stalker which had been sending them emails pretending to be publishers etc, and a few weeks back 28days said he had too !
Could this desperation for recognition be a medical condition? -I'll try to discover.
Account has been stolen, why would someone want to steal my account?
If you think someone is a troll every time he doesn't appraise the game you're falling for, you are completely missing the whole point of having a forum at first place. It is called a "forum" for a reason. I think what you're looking for is more along the way of "Comments & Feedback" box, where people can't argue on them since they go straight to the developer mail box, (or trash) and where you don't have to debate your point of view.
Forum's are about keeping an OPEN MIND so a PRODUCTIVE DEBATE can occur. Calling other people's opinion not important or worst, "trolling" just because it goes against your way is both close minded, and counter-productive.
Says the person with 8 posts who also just joined the forums recently.
You have to understand, there is a phenomenon with the DF forum in that there is constantly people creating new accounts and the first (and sometimes only) thing they do is attack DF. Most of us suspect they are the same folks, who just keep getting banned over and over, but the fact remains, their principle mission seems to be to troll this forum. (not saying you are btw)
So many of us are very skeptical of posters with short history here who do nothing but dredge up the exact same thing others have posted before.
Now, back to the OP's list of "facts" since I don't want to be off topic. While its true the developers haven't shown us many of the features on the list, one problem with his argument is, just because he hasn't seen them, doesn't mean they don't exist.
See, we're sort of at a stalemate, neither of us can really prove the other person wrong.
And so what if people want to keep hoping for DF to one day be released? Nothing wrong with dreaming, and it certainly isn't hurting any of the folks who decry the game to let them keep waiting for it.
No, I actually view the OP as a trolling attempt, rather than reasonable debate as you are suggesting.
It's all good if you see it that way. Like i said: It's a judgement call. What i'm afraid though, is if the GM of this website sees this the way you see it because then, i don't see how we will be able to contribute to any debate if every time we post something negative or pessimistic about a game, we're thrown into the Troll area.I must say i really hate censorship of all sorts. We're supposed to be living in the "civilized" part of the world, where our government doesn't second guess over our shoulder which web site we can go to, and what we should be able to write/read into them. It's a very annoying trend for me to see those popular forums becoming more and more this way. Let people say what they have to say for heaven sake, and don't read them if you don't like it. (I might be new here, but i skimmed through the options and saw that you could block or ignore poster if you wish. So add them on your ignore list if what they post doesn't make any sense)
See i'm here to contribute the best i can to the overall debate about MMO's in general. I don't seek to be right or wrong, simply to evolve my own ideas about MMO gaming, and hopefully bring enough materials on the table to help others evolve their own as well. So i'll get very itchy every time someone is shut down, banned or what not for simply stating an opinion. Wether he is the 500 ones to post it doesn't matter: We must be ready to bear with the fact that we're going to read and debate the same thing all over again during the course of a forum life. I really don't like the fact that you seem to be willing to discard my opinion simply because i joined just a few days ago. Just take my words (and others) for what they are. The number of post you got doesn't make them any more or less relevant in my book.
Creativity : The ability to transcend traditional ideas, rules, patterns, relationships, or the like, and to create meaningful new ideas, forms, methods or interpretations; using originality, progressiveness, or imagination.
Unfortunately in online forums the post count does matter as constant negative posters like to make multiple accounts, usually with low post counts - therefore people usually don't listen to people who joined yesterday and have 90% negative posts in N forum.
Account has been stolen, why would someone want to steal my account?
Well i hope this is not the general consensus of the MMORPG.com community, or else i feel like i'm going to quickly turn into a passive reader...
It's pretty easy to get your account post high in a short period of time, but it's not easy to post things that is worth reading. So until they add a measure of "quality" in addition to their numbers, i can't give any more credits to someone simply for having a greater number of post. For all that we know, it could be someone reading the forum and only posting when having a burst about a specific topic. Those people are usually much more interesting then those spilling their post counts at every corner, and rarely bringing anything refreshing to chew on.
Creativity : The ability to transcend traditional ideas, rules, patterns, relationships, or the like, and to create meaningful new ideas, forms, methods or interpretations; using originality, progressiveness, or imagination.
And do you think this is news to us on this forum? I think we know better then you what we have seen or not. But i like to think of all the things we HAVE seen. I mean, people still play WoW without ever having seen any good features there : )
So the OPs post make no sense at all.
yea it is 28days
pretty simple to point him out
If you dont bother to read up on the Aventurine company and there priorities concerning there game development i will take the time trying to educate you a bit. A QUOTE from Tasos Flambouras-
[QUOTE]Community: why has Darkfall had such a hard time securing a solid publisher and with the impending release of both age of Conan and Warhammer online arent you concerned that the game will be unable to maintain a self sustaining profitable player base considering that the other games have giant budgets and giant advertising campaigns.
Tasos Flambouras: In very simple terms, its not so much as Darkfall having a hard time securing a publisher as it is that publishers have had a hard time securing Darkfall. l explain: We do have the capability to self-publish, so the competition to any publishing offer, aside from other offers, is our own plan for self-publication. In our self-publishing scheme we hire the same services that most publishers use so in effect "cutting out the middleman" is usually to our advantage, especially since as a newcomer in the gaming industry its rare to get a fantastic deal. Furthermore, getting a publishing deal isnt crucial to us in regards to development, and we wont just jump at offers. We have the "luxury" to try to do whats best for the game in this context. That being said, we have been and still are in discussions with publishers who present a good and viable alternative to our self-publishing plan.
Giant budgets and giant advertising campaigns demand giant paydays. We definitely dont need to be a World of Warcraft killer to be successful, but the same may not be true about some of the other games in development. When faced with the question of budget allocation we decided that its more important for us to first make as good a game as possible and then to market it on its merit. The opposite doesnt work in the long run, and quality would be compromised by taking some of the development resources and throwing them into marketing so were betting everything on our strength. We couldnt compete with some of the large titles when it comes to marketing since it all comes down to dollars and cents, but we can still make one hell of a game.[/QUOTE]
This is a statement i back 100% and i guess 99% of the players interested in Darkfall understand these priorities. I can even take it a bit further, many companies dont live by the rule- first make a good as a good game as possibly and let the game live on its own strength. I have no fears whatsoever that Darkfall dont get the necessary subs if they deliver.
Many companies spend way to much money on advertisment and promoting and therefore need alot more subscribers before making some money. One of the reasons the Norwegian team moved to Greece 2003 was the low costs, a very understandable and responsible desicion. If this setup make the company "weird" in your eyes it just tell me you dont have all info. Imagine the extra numbers of subs AoC will need cause of all the imense promoting they done? The reality for large companies like Blizzard and small ones like Aventurine is lightyears apart.
I would be alot more worried if they started spending fantasy sums on some heavy advertisment.
Lastly- the information from developers is picking up in never seen pace last month. Updated website, many new very nice screenshot showing us that Darkfall graphics is top of the game, a new video not showing all features, i know, but a very nice one, Clan forum update- a new limited invitation for 10 new clans (which is interesting news, beta soon?).
Until they show something more substantial, I'll have to go with the OP. After seven years, I do expect more from the developers about their game. However if they do push the game out and it's awesome, I'll be very happy. The concepts sound great.
Youre just another mislead one that lack information about the game Darkfall and the company Aventurine.
Aventurine have upgraded their graphic engine 4 times during development. Game was more or less rewamped mid 2003. Game been under hardcore development with a crew of 20-30 since mid 2003. I think you can count the years from 2003 til now, or? The Razorwax adventure in Norway before 2003 was 5 enthusiast with a dream.
I must ask you this, why dont you get some real information about the company and the game instead of jumping on some vaporware bandwagon? Lazy?
Well if you rather agree with a Darkfall troll as the OP then the serious Darkfall followers, what does it make you? A fan looking forward for the the probably best game ever created or a uninterested vaporware troll as the OP?
You guys isnt even listening to reason.
Did you even read my earlier reply?
they only upgraded once and just bassiccly improved the engine/gfx over the year since after th first time they made the engine dynamic
I have to say that the way the OPs first post was presented could have been more constructive and less antagonistic.
I feel that DF devs have been foolish with their lack of progress over the past few years but seem to be getting some steam now. If the devs continue to keep the ball rolling then we may see this game in the sunshine, that being said any kind of slow down in news and vids and pics will simple bring the comunnity down farther.
The most important point that anyone made was why would anyone really care if the community put their hope and dreams on this game? The devs have commited no great injustice in dragging their feet because, as far as I know, no player has spent any money trying to play it.
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As i see it, he is baiting others.
Well this guy is the one guy that was sending emails to the devs and harrasing them he was part of the thrones of chaos dev team the game had other names too
If you think someone is a troll every time he doesn't appraise the game you're falling for, you are completely missing the whole point of having a forum at first place. It is called a "forum" for a reason. I think what you're looking for is more along the way of "Comments & Feedback" box, where people can't argue on them since they go straight to the developer mail box, (or trash) and where you don't have to debate your point of view.
Forum's are about keeping an OPEN MIND so a PRODUCTIVE DEBATE can occur. Calling other people's opinion not important or worst, "trolling" just because it goes against your way is both close minded, and counter-productive.
Says the person with 8 posts who also just joined the forums recently.
You have to understand, there is a phenomenon with the DF forum in that there is constantly people creating new accounts and the first (and sometimes only) thing they do is attack DF. Most of us suspect they are the same folks, who just keep getting banned over and over, but the fact remains, their principle mission seems to be to troll this forum. (not saying you are btw)
So many of us are very skeptical of posters with short history here who do nothing but dredge up the exact same thing others have posted before.
Now, back to the OP's list of "facts" since I don't want to be off topic. While its true the developers haven't shown us many of the features on the list, one problem with his argument is, just because he hasn't seen them, doesn't mean they don't exist.
See, we're sort of at a stalemate, neither of us can really prove the other person wrong.
And so what if people want to keep hoping for DF to one day be released? Nothing wrong with dreaming, and it certainly isn't hurting any of the folks who decry the game to let them keep waiting for it.
No, I actually view the OP as a trolling attempt, rather than reasonable debate as you are suggesting.
It's all good if you see it that way. Like i said: It's a judgement call. What i'm afraid though, is if the GM of this website sees this the way you see it because then, i don't see how we will be able to contribute to any debate if every time we post something negative or pessimistic about a game, we're thrown into the Troll area.I must say i really hate censorship of all sorts. We're supposed to be living in the "civilized" part of the world, where our government doesn't second guess over our shoulder which web site we can go to, and what we should be able to write/read into them. It's a very annoying trend for me to see those popular forums becoming more and more this way. Let people say what they have to say for heaven sake, and don't read them if you don't like it. (I might be new here, but i skimmed through the options and saw that you could block or ignore poster if you wish. So add them on your ignore list if what they post doesn't make any sense)
See i'm here to contribute the best i can to the overall debate about MMO's in general. I don't seek to be right or wrong, simply to evolve my own ideas about MMO gaming, and hopefully bring enough materials on the table to help others evolve their own as well. So i'll get very itchy every time someone is shut down, banned or what not for simply stating an opinion. Wether he is the 500 ones to post it doesn't matter: We must be ready to bear with the fact that we're going to read and debate the same thing all over again during the course of a forum life. I really don't like the fact that you seem to be willing to discard my opinion simply because i joined just a few days ago. Just take my words (and others) for what they are. The number of post you got doesn't make them any more or less relevant in my book.
The OP dont debate. Its a list of negativism which only purpose is the downtalk Darkfall as a game and Aventurine as a game developing company.