heh yea its pretty childish to even bother to proove a game is vaporware with out proof
btw ghoul that doesnt mean they didnt revamp everything
they upgraded the gfx and engine which probly took them a while.
I htink they decided to make the game better cant you deal with that or do youw ant another shitty mmo out? we have plenty of them let them take the time needed
If they totally started the game over in 2003, why did they say at the end of 2003 , that beta was about to start? Why did they say in 2004 that beta was about to start? Why did they say in 2005, that beta was about to start? If they had started over, the game couldn't possibly be ready for beta in 2003, or 2004. So any way you look at it, they have been lying through their teeth the entire time
it didnt start because they didnt feel it was ready. they have stated several times they want the beta as complete and full of features as possible, they want a breif beta that will lead to a successful launch. Not a half ass beta that will sway people away from the game. There are all kinds of factors of why a small developement team could retract a beta statement, to call them liars just shows your ignorance. Since 2005 they have appologized for the false beta announcements and have henceforward made the statement "when its done" which is far more than many other companies will do.
Very interesting and valid points OP. I myself have not looked much into Darkfall. Only just recently heard about the game and have seen some cool videos on youtube. From what I saw it looks really unique. I believe unique means good (in most cases). Who knows when or if it will ever be released but as people have said, if the game concept has a fan base and their are new videos of in game footage being released, of course people are going to believe and hope there is a future for Darkfall. Even if it's another 4 years I think there will still be a fanbase. Aint no stoppin it no matter how much abuse the game and it's fans take. I hope it's released and it's everything people have hoped for and more!
Here is your proof that the game wasn't started from scratch in 2003
here is a quote from darkfalls lead designer in Aug 2003 "Darkfall is entering closed beta testing in September this year. The closed beta is fully playable, with most core features implemented. We will be adding features and content during closed beta, while we gear up for the next beta stages"
heres a quote from 9-30-2003 "Overall we're very happy with the progress, we don't have any serious problems, and we believe that we'll be able to deliver an advanced beta build for playtesting before long. "
Heres a quote from 11-27-2003 <Oromea|Gaintlord> Any plans to make E3 this year (2004) tasos?
<Tasos|Dev> We probably will go this year with a finished game.
Heres a quote from 1-26-2004 "The preparations for community playtesting have already started on our end. We'll start a short registration and selection process soon. Findings from our new build will determine when the playtesting will begin. "
heres a quote from April 6th 2004 Originally posted by Tasos@Apr 6 2004, 05:45 AM
When is Beta?
Darkfall is currently in the final stages of internal beta testing. This means that the game is being tested in-house in preparation for public playtesting. A beta registration form will become available on this website soon.
July 9th, 2004 We understand that you want to know specifics about the beta testing and the game launch. All we can say responsibly is that we can see light at the end of the tunnel and we'll let you know as soon as we know for sure. The beta forms have been ready for months and our tester evaluation is an ongoing process.
May 4, 2005 We do have an internal milestone for the beta as the fans perceive it, and that's the state where the game can be playtested and fun could be had. We're nearing this stage...
Yes they prepared for a beta 2005 as said numerous of times in this thread, your point is?
Yes they prepared for a beta 2005 as said numerous of times in this thread, your point is? And just a tip, try to deliver some links for the quotes next time.
No, they were preparing for a 2003 beta and a 2004 beta.
This proves your claim that they started the game over in 2003 is totally false
The guy from LOD that wrote a review of his short time playing seemed to think beta would be soon. LOD is a well known guild in pvp games, I don't think they would piss everyone off by making fake reviews if it was vaporware.
Your mind is like a parachute, it's only useful when it's open. Don't forget, you can use the block function on trolls.
Yes they prepared for a beta 2005 as said numerous of times in this thread, your point is? And just a tip, try to deliver some links for the quotes next time.
No, they were preparing for a 2003 beta and a 2004 beta.
This proves your claim that they started the game over in 2003 is totally false
Nope youre all wrong again, aint you getting tired having wrong all the time? You dont seem to read anyones replies. And if you do read them its like when the devil reads the bible.
I quote my earlier reply cause i cant be bothered to write it all down again. Try read up on the truth now and think before you make any more useless posts.
Hmm, kinda hard to put the game in beta 6 years ago when the development started 4 1/2 years ago?
The beta 2002 was announced by the Razorwax company to be released late 2002 or early 2003 before Razorwax emerged with Aventurine. The ambition level were raised after they two companies emerged and game 2002 have very little to do with the 2008 version of Darkfall. So here you is wrong.
No planned beta 2003 after Razorwax and Aventurine merged together. Here you is wrong. The Merger was at the beginning of 2003. In August 2003, they said beta would begin in a month. Thats a planned 2003 beta.
No planned beta 2004. Here you are wrong again. In November 2003, he said game would be done by E3 2004. So obviously they would have to have the beta in 2004 In January of 2004, he said the beta would be starting soon. Soon certainly means less than a year. So yes thats a planned 2004 beta.
Planned beta 2005. Here we agree. Good
No planned beta 2006. Wrong again. This is from a Novemner 28th, 2005 interview We're preparing for beta testing as we speak; you can apply on this page of our website Since the year was almost over, obviously they were expecting to start beta in 2006 at that point
2007 beta was never a announced beta date but a internal target date.Wrong again. Its still another missed beta date
AND WHERE IS THE LINKS FOR ALL THOSE QUOTES YOU MADE ? They were all from the developer updates on the darkfall site. Look them up yourself.
No planned beta 2003 after Razorwax and Aventurine merged together. Here you is wrong. The Merger was at the beginning of 2003. In August 2003, they said beta would begin in a month. Thats a planned 2003 beta.
No planned beta 2004. Here you are wrong again. In November 2003, he said game would be done by E3 2004. So obviously they would have to have the beta in 2004 In January of 2004, he said the beta would be starting soon. Soon certainly means less than a year. So yes thats a planned 2004 beta.
Planned beta 2005. Here we agree. Good
No planned beta 2006. Wrong again. This is from a Novemner 28th, 2005 interview We're preparing for beta testing as we speak; you can apply on this page of our website Since the year was almost over, obviously they were expecting to start beta in 2006 at that point
2007 beta was never a announced beta date but a internal target date.Wrong again. Its still another missed beta date
AND WHERE IS THE LINKS FOR ALL THOSE QUOTES YOU MADE ? They were all from the developer updates on the darkfall site. Look them up yourself.
Love that you make up quotes when youre out of arguments. Keep it going failure.
If AoC dont deliver there will be a huge empty space in the MMORPG world to fill and i think Darkfall will fill it just nicely. (if it delivers) With the additional resources Aventurine could offer, the decision was made to pretty much reconstruct the game from the ground up. (prove it)
This means, Darkfall has only really been under development since Aventurine acquired it, which is about the same amount of time as other major MMOs (AoC and WAR). Actually, WAR started around 2005. And you can't discount the time Razorwax invested in the game prior to the takeover, it still counts as development time. Otherwise we could say TR only took 3 years since they decided to rewrite it completely
if game delivers. If Darkfall delivers youre in for the surprice of your life.
Had to reduce your post to the truly relevant points, the largest of course being, "if the game delivers"
Prove it? Why dont you read up on the game abit before making such statements? Cant understand people that have no faith in there fellow man, why should Darkfall developers lie about something like this? And whats your intention by making such a statement? Only reason for it is to downtalk the game Darkfall and its developers. And i wonder why? Seems youre a EvE fan, so why dont you keep to that game and site instead of acting out youre negativism on the Darkfall board?
A quote from the Darkfall Developers concerning the reason they moved to Greece, read and learn - Article is from 26/1 2007 and they been in full production for 3 1/2 years, do the math yourself.
[QUOTE] Tasos Flambouras: Aventurine was originally formed to fund and publish Darkfall. The development team was in Norway, at the time it was four developers working on design, concepting, and prototyping. While working with Razorwax to put the development team together we realized how high the operating costs, and the cost of living is in Norway. We decided to move our activities to Greece under Aventurine to get more game for our money. It took a while to organize and assemble the team and to get into full production which started about three and a half years ago. Aventurine was now developing the technology, the tools, and the game. At the time this project started there was no technology available that would allow us to do what we wanted, so everything had to be made from scratch.[/QUOTE]
I doubt you will see this as proof since it just written by the Darkfall developers? Its a matter of faith you know, and trust.
Sure i can discount the time before the companies emerged into Aventurine. Or do you call 4 developers in a basement in Norway with no equipment for a developer team for a game like Darkfall? Just read what Tasos informs us about the game, and personnaly i do believe the Darkfall developers alot more then i believe in a none fanbois like you with a huge lack of information as well.
And to be honest the Darkfall approach on their game is much more promising then most other games with a timelimit to fulfill whether the game is ready for it or not. They can selfpublish and take their sweet time before putting the game on beta and release. No investors is breathing down their necks, thank god.
Stop with the BS please. And quit accusing me of not having knowledge about DF. I've read all the crap they've published over the past few years, and you know what, I don't believe most of it.
You ask why have no faith in them? I have faith in God and the Bible, all others pay cash.
As for my presence here, if you had done any research on my post history you'd see that I'm actually looking forward to playing Darkfall (if it ever gets released of course) and you'll find me debating with both those who overly promote the game such as yourself, (the rose colored glasses crowd) as well as many of the detractors such as Polarization and Ghoul. Obviously I post on a lot of forums on games that I'm well versed with, and trust me, I'm well versed on DF and its past history.
Your posts are full of so many suppositions, half truths and outright lies at times that you can't prove in anyway, other than to take a few peoples word on things. (if even that).
So no point in telling me to go away, I won't, and expect me to debate all efforts to over promote (or incorrectly flame) this game and its capabilities. Welcome to my MMORPG.com.
Yeah your not even worthy of a discussion since youre starting in the wrong end. You dont believe what you can read up on. End of discussion.
And sorry to say, your post history is worthless to me since you fabricate your own truth. How can you discuss if the developers written words is lies? What do you base your facts on? In what degree do they lie? 10%, 25% or 50%. You see its no point discuss with people that already choosen not too believe whats put forth to ya. Its meaningless.
And only assumptions i made concerning you was that you as a seemingly EvE fan chooses to downtalk Darkfall for whatever reason? If thats a wrongly made up assumption, i appologize. And spending your time, workload and funds on developing the game instead of making huge promotings with fantasie sums seems to me a good assumption that the game will hit the shelfs in due time and the demand for subs will be lower.
Rest was facts.
LOL, sure, give up on the discussion because you're losing badly. You know you can't win so no point in continuing the debate.
Fabricate my own truth? I never claim much of anything I say is truth, but it sure is easy to see how many times the DF Devs have said they were going to hold a beta (as Ghoul has painstakingly pointed out to you in about 10 threads now) and its pretty obvious they aren't much for telling the truth. At the very least they show they are very bad at estimating dates, therefore no reason to have any confidence that they really know what they are doing.
I could turn your argument around and say there's no point to argue with people who believe everything they read from the Devs because they want to.
What I don't really understand is your zeal to defend DF so much? What does it matter to you if DF comes out or not? Did Aventurine ask you to defend them? I don't think so, in fact, I'm sure they'd rather not have gamers as zealous as you. It is just a game after all.
But back to the topic that the OP started, I don't think we know enough right now to make any predictions about DF's eventual success or failure. The evidence points towards the fact that someone is making a game somewhere. No idea if they will meet their lofty goals or ever deliver the game to market in a playable state. Might happen sure, but no reason to assume its going to. (odds are long against it)
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If AoC dont deliver there will be a huge empty space in the MMORPG world to fill and i think Darkfall will fill it just nicely. (if it delivers) With the additional resources Aventurine could offer, the decision was made to pretty much reconstruct the game from the ground up. (prove it)
This means, Darkfall has only really been under development since Aventurine acquired it, which is about the same amount of time as other major MMOs (AoC and WAR). Actually, WAR started around 2005. And you can't discount the time Razorwax invested in the game prior to the takeover, it still counts as development time. Otherwise we could say TR only took 3 years since they decided to rewrite it completely
if game delivers. If Darkfall delivers youre in for the surprice of your life.
Had to reduce your post to the truly relevant points, the largest of course being, "if the game delivers"
Prove it? Why dont you read up on the game abit before making such statements? Cant understand people that have no faith in there fellow man, why should Darkfall developers lie about something like this? And whats your intention by making such a statement? Only reason for it is to downtalk the game Darkfall and its developers. And i wonder why? Seems youre a EvE fan, so why dont you keep to that game and site instead of acting out youre negativism on the Darkfall board?
A quote from the Darkfall Developers concerning the reason they moved to Greece, read and learn - Article is from 26/1 2007 and they been in full production for 3 1/2 years, do the math yourself.
[QUOTE] Tasos Flambouras: Aventurine was originally formed to fund and publish Darkfall. The development team was in Norway, at the time it was four developers working on design, concepting, and prototyping. While working with Razorwax to put the development team together we realized how high the operating costs, and the cost of living is in Norway. We decided to move our activities to Greece under Aventurine to get more game for our money. It took a while to organize and assemble the team and to get into full production which started about three and a half years ago. Aventurine was now developing the technology, the tools, and the game. At the time this project started there was no technology available that would allow us to do what we wanted, so everything had to be made from scratch.[/QUOTE]
I doubt you will see this as proof since it just written by the Darkfall developers? Its a matter of faith you know, and trust.
Sure i can discount the time before the companies emerged into Aventurine. Or do you call 4 developers in a basement in Norway with no equipment for a developer team for a game like Darkfall? Just read what Tasos informs us about the game, and personnaly i do believe the Darkfall developers alot more then i believe in a none fanbois like you with a huge lack of information as well.
And to be honest the Darkfall approach on their game is much more promising then most other games with a timelimit to fulfill whether the game is ready for it or not. They can selfpublish and take their sweet time before putting the game on beta and release. No investors is breathing down their necks, thank god.
Stop with the BS please. And quit accusing me of not having knowledge about DF. I've read all the crap they've published over the past few years, and you know what, I don't believe most of it.
You ask why have no faith in them? I have faith in God and the Bible, all others pay cash.
As for my presence here, if you had done any research on my post history you'd see that I'm actually looking forward to playing Darkfall (if it ever gets released of course) and you'll find me debating with both those who overly promote the game such as yourself, (the rose colored glasses crowd) as well as many of the detractors such as Polarization and Ghoul. Obviously I post on a lot of forums on games that I'm well versed with, and trust me, I'm well versed on DF and its past history.
Your posts are full of so many suppositions, half truths and outright lies at times that you can't prove in anyway, other than to take a few peoples word on things. (if even that).
So no point in telling me to go away, I won't, and expect me to debate all efforts to over promote (or incorrectly flame) this game and its capabilities. Welcome to my MMORPG.com.
Yeah your not even worthy of a discussion since youre starting in the wrong end. You dont believe what you can read up on. End of discussion.
And sorry to say, your post history is worthless to me since you fabricate your own truth. How can you discuss if the developers written words is lies? What do you base your facts on? In what degree do they lie? 10%, 25% or 50%. You see its no point discuss with people that already choosen not too believe whats put forth to ya. Its meaningless.
And only assumptions i made concerning you was that you as a seemingly EvE fan chooses to downtalk Darkfall for whatever reason? If thats a wrongly made up assumption, i appologize. And spending your time, workload and funds on developing the game instead of making huge promotings with fantasie sums seems to me a good assumption that the game will hit the shelfs in due time and the demand for subs will be lower.
Rest was facts.
LOL, sure, give up on the discussion because you're losing badly. You know you can't win so no point in continuing the debate.
Fabricate my own truth? I never claim much of anything I say is truth, but it sure is easy to see how many times the DF Devs have said they were going to hold a beta (as Ghoul has painstakingly pointed out to you in about 10 threads now) and its pretty obvious they aren't much for telling the truth. At the very least they show they are very bad at estimating dates, therefore no reason to have any confidence that they really know what they are doing.
I could turn your argument around and say there's no point to argue with people who believe everything they read from the Devs because they want to.
What I don't really understand is your zeal to defend DF so much? What does it matter to you if DF comes out or not? Did Aventurine ask you to defend them? I don't think so, in fact, I'm sure they'd rather not have gamers as zealous as you. It is just a game after all.
But back to the topic that the OP started, I don't think we know enough right now to make any predictions about DF's eventual success or failure. The evidence points towards the fact that someone is making a game somewhere. No idea if they will meet their lofty goals or ever deliver the game to market in a playable state. Might happen sure, but no reason to assume its going to. (odds are long against it)
Im really sad to see that your just as bad as the joke ghoul31. Didnt really think youre argumentation would drop that low to be honest.
Your actually quoting ghoul31, a person that not even can deliver a link of his?=)
I suggest you go back and play with the kids since i mistakingly took you for somewhat reasonable at first.
And youre not saying the truth. Youre making up your own story which isnt based on facts like i do. You even take the developers writing for lies. And you calling what youre saying the truth? Pathetic.
And funniest part is that youre totally avoiding discussing the facts i put forth to you. Seems youre choosing very hard to avoid the parts i presented for you about all these beta dates.
Aye i believe everything develpers inform me of until theyre proven wrong. Why shouldnt i? Youre not really saying that i should believe you and ghoul31 on a MMORPG board that is making up there own stories which isnt even based on any facts/info, do ya?=)
My only goal is to make people more interested in the game based on facts about the game. Another goal is to destroy the vaporware trolls wherever i see them. As i see it they is the lowlife on these sites. Im not making some rampage on the AoC site even though i dislike the game. Thats the difference btw you and me and that i actually tries to back my statements with links, quotes and such. You is just taking your so called "truth" out of the blue.
And back to the OP you say. Again youre making assumptions based on what? People that closely follow Darkfall and actually inform themself about the game is very confused why there is so many vaporware trolls arround and what they base there vaporism on? Personally i think that many dont inform themself enough cause theyre just lazy. Some listen to characters like ghoul31 which only intention here on the Darkfall board is to spread negativism and misinforming people.
If you read up on Darkfall and actually have an opened mind which i think youre lacking at the moment youd see more positive on the games future.
No planned beta 2003 after Razorwax and Aventurine merged together. Here you is wrong. The Merger was at the beginning of 2003. In August 2003, they said beta would begin in a month. Thats a planned 2003 beta. http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=4746
No planned beta 2006. Wrong again. This is from a Novemner 28th, 2005 interview "We're preparing for beta testing as we speak; you can apply on this page of our website" Since the year was almost over, obviously they were expecting to start beta in 2006 at that point http://rpgvault.ign.com/articles/671/671666p1.html
No planned beta 2003 after Razorwax and Aventurine merged together. Here you is wrong. The Merger was at the beginning of 2003. In August 2003, they said beta would begin in a month. Thats a planned 2003 beta. http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=4746
No planned beta 2006. Wrong again. This is from a Novemner 28th, 2005 interview "We're preparing for beta testing as we speak; you can apply on this page of our website" Since the year was almost over, obviously they were expecting to start beta in 2006 at that point http://rpgvault.ign.com/articles/671/671666p1.html
I admit that they have use the word beta to much. But still I think you are overreacting. You love to use those facs because this is the only negative facs you can came up with. And keep argument them in every thread, dosn't matter what the topic is, you always fall back on their "lies" about beta. And that everything else is a lie because of this. You dwell on those beta announcement to much, so you are blind to see anything positive with the game. But I know it's in your nature to be negative, if I've look at your other posts in other places.
The whole quote: 2007- Darkfall Developer Journal #9: The Beta Question
We've been throwing around the word beta quite a bit, and it's not to churn the waters, it's because it's what we're working on right now. An editorial on this site urged us to come out with a date. Well that's nice, and we will when we have one. We've specified that our internal target date is this summer and we can't get more specific yet, but we will when we're ready to make an announcement.
The whole quote: Nov 2005 Interview
Jonric: What is Darkfall's current status, when do you expect it to launch, and how much has it evolved during its extended development period of more than four years?
Tasos Flambouras: We're preparing for beta testing as we speak; you can apply on this page of our website. It's a huge job, and we want it done right. The start of the beta is affected by multiple variables, and not just development ones. The same goes for Darkfall's launch date. Once we have a date that we're reasonably sure of, we'll announce it immediately.
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You dwell on those beta announcement to much, so you are blind to see anything positive with the game.
What exactly is positive? Every year for the last 5 years they said beta was about to start, and it never has. They only went to one gaming convention, and didn't even bring the game. As the OP points out, they haven't shown us 90% of the features that are supposed to be in the game. Their latest video just shows backgrounds and some character models.
What is there to be positive about? What facts show us that the game will be released soon? There are none.
See thats your problem ghoul there is facts on it or least a suggestion toward release. But you are so god darn promt in calling them liars. that you dont see anything positive.
Why dotn you look at it as them ahve been telling the truth about everything. beside beta crap.
Tasos Flambouras: Previous estimates on beta were honest educated estimates based on facts at the time. Circumstances have a way of changing, so we don't want to try to estimate again when so many things are in flux. The only thing certain is that we expect everything to come together one way or another within a few months so that our launch can be within the year. When we decide whether to go with a publisher or to self publish we will announce a beta date.
Who are You to say hes lieing? now if they dont gives us any more info on this by may then you can say they have lied maybe not intentional but whatever its a game
You dwell on those beta announcement to much, so you are blind to see anything positive with the game.
What exactly is positive? Every year for the last 5 years they said beta was about to start, and it never has. They only went to one gaming convention, and didn't even bring the game. As the OP points out, they haven't shown us 90% of the features that are supposed to be in the game. Their latest video just shows backgrounds and some character models.
What is there to be positive about? What facts show us that the game will be released soon? There are none.
See, now you are there again.
What are you trying to accomplish here if you don't have any interest in the game or see anything positive with it? Just argument against us who looking forward to a new game? Aye, that's it. You just turned yourself into a troll.
Are you feeling proud over yourself? almost 40 years old and act like a teenager who are in need of attention. Or if this isn't the case, please enlight everyone here why you act like you do against us.
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heh yea its pretty childish to even bother to proove a game is vaporware with out proof
btw ghoul that doesnt mean they didnt revamp everything
they upgraded the gfx and engine which probly took them a while.
I htink they decided to make the game better cant you deal with that or do youw ant another shitty mmo out? we have plenty of them let them take the time needed
I bet oyu it will release at some point in time and i bet it will go beta this year
it didnt start because they didnt feel it was ready. they have stated several times they want the beta as complete and full of features as possible, they want a breif beta that will lead to a successful launch. Not a half ass beta that will sway people away from the game. There are all kinds of factors of why a small developement team could retract a beta statement, to call them liars just shows your ignorance. Since 2005 they have appologized for the false beta announcements and have henceforward made the statement "when its done" which is far more than many other companies will do.
Very interesting and valid points OP. I myself have not looked much into Darkfall. Only just recently heard about the game and have seen some cool videos on youtube. From what I saw it looks really unique. I believe unique means good (in most cases). Who knows when or if it will ever be released but as people have said, if the game concept has a fan base and their are new videos of in game footage being released, of course people are going to believe and hope there is a future for Darkfall. Even if it's another 4 years I think there will still be a fanbase. Aint no stoppin it no matter how much abuse the game and it's fans take. I hope it's released and it's everything people have hoped for and more!
Yes they prepared for a beta 2005 as said numerous of times in this thread, your point is?
SOME LINKS FOR THOSE QUOTES YOU MADE/ MADE UP.
No, they were preparing for a 2003 beta and a 2004 beta.
This proves your claim that they started the game over in 2003 is totally false
I bet oyu it will release at some point in time and i bet it will go beta this year
why would you think it will go beta this year? Because the devs said so? The devs also said beta would begin in 2003,2004,2005,2006, and 2007.
The guy from LOD that wrote a review of his short time playing seemed to think beta would be soon. LOD is a well known guild in pvp games, I don't think they would piss everyone off by making fake reviews if it was vaporware.
Your mind is like a parachute, it's only useful when it's open.
Don't forget, you can use the block function on trolls.
No, they were preparing for a 2003 beta and a 2004 beta.
This proves your claim that they started the game over in 2003 is totally false
Nope youre all wrong again, aint you getting tired having wrong all the time? You dont seem to read anyones replies. And if you do read them its like when the devil reads the bible.
I quote my earlier reply cause i cant be bothered to write it all down again. Try read up on the truth now and think before you make any more useless posts.
Hmm, kinda hard to put the game in beta 6 years ago when the development started 4 1/2 years ago?
The beta 2002 was announced by the Razorwax company to be released late 2002 or early 2003 before Razorwax emerged with Aventurine. The ambition level were raised after they two companies emerged and game 2002 have very little to do with the 2008 version of Darkfall. So here you is wrong.
http://useyourfuckingbrain.com/game.aspx?gameid=51
No planned beta 2003 after Razorwax and Aventurine merged together. Here you is wrong.
No planned beta 2004. Here you are wrong again.
Planned beta 2005. Here we agree.
No planned beta 2006. Wrong again.
2007 beta was never a announced beta date but a internal target date. Wrong again. http://df.warcry.com/news/view/72342
Some more on the subject http://df.warcry.com/forums/read/270.42541 and it was discussed during the later developer journals http://df.warcry.com/news/view/72954-Developer-Journal-10-State-of-Development and http://df.warcry.com/news/view/75587-Developer-Journal-from-Tasos so a lack of information were never there. Developers did a good work informing the fanbois about progression.
So of your beta release failures is one left, the 2005 one. What can i say, shit happens!!
AND WHERE IS THE LINKS FOR ALL THOSE QUOTES YOU MADE ?
I bet oyu it will release at some point in time and i bet it will go beta this year
why would you think it will go beta this year? Because the devs said so? The devs also said beta would begin in 2003,2004,2005,2006, and 2007.
Stop making up stories pls.
There were never any beta promised by Aventurine 2003, 2004, 2006, 2007.
WHERE IS THE LINKS TO THOSE QUOTES??
Love that you make up quotes when youre out of arguments.
Had to reduce your post to the truly relevant points, the largest of course being, "if the game delivers"
Prove it? Why dont you read up on the game abit before making such statements? Cant understand people that have no faith in there fellow man, why should Darkfall developers lie about something like this? And whats your intention by making such a statement? Only reason for it is to downtalk the game Darkfall and its developers. And i wonder why? Seems youre a EvE fan, so why dont you keep to that game and site instead of acting out youre negativism on the Darkfall board?
A quote from the Darkfall Developers concerning the reason they moved to Greece, read and learn - Article is from 26/1 2007 and they been in full production for 3 1/2 years, do the math yourself.
http://df.warcry.com/news/view/68059
[QUOTE] Tasos Flambouras: Aventurine was originally formed to fund and publish Darkfall. The development team was in Norway, at the time it was four developers working on design, concepting, and prototyping. While working with Razorwax to put the development team together we realized how high the operating costs, and the cost of living is in Norway. We decided to move our activities to Greece under Aventurine to get more game for our money. It took a while to organize and assemble the team and to get into full production which started about three and a half years ago. Aventurine was now developing the technology, the tools, and the game. At the time this project started there was no technology available that would allow us to do what we wanted, so everything had to be made from scratch. [/QUOTE]
I doubt you will see this as proof since it just written by the Darkfall developers? Its a matter of faith you know, and trust.
Sure i can discount the time before the companies emerged into Aventurine. Or do you call 4 developers in a basement in Norway with no equipment for a developer team for a game like Darkfall? Just read what Tasos informs us about the game, and personnaly i do believe the Darkfall developers alot more then i believe in a none fanbois like you with a huge lack of information as well.
And to be honest the Darkfall approach on their game is much more promising then most other games with a timelimit to fulfill whether the game is ready for it or not. They can selfpublish and take their sweet time before putting the game on beta and release. No investors is breathing down their necks, thank god.
Stop with the BS please. And quit accusing me of not having knowledge about DF. I've read all the crap they've published over the past few years, and you know what, I don't believe most of it.
You ask why have no faith in them? I have faith in God and the Bible, all others pay cash.
As for my presence here, if you had done any research on my post history you'd see that I'm actually looking forward to playing Darkfall (if it ever gets released of course) and you'll find me debating with both those who overly promote the game such as yourself, (the rose colored glasses crowd) as well as many of the detractors such as Polarization and Ghoul. Obviously I post on a lot of forums on games that I'm well versed with, and trust me, I'm well versed on DF and its past history.
Your posts are full of so many suppositions, half truths and outright lies at times that you can't prove in anyway, other than to take a few peoples word on things. (if even that).
So no point in telling me to go away, I won't, and expect me to debate all efforts to over promote (or incorrectly flame) this game and its capabilities. Welcome to my MMORPG.com.
Yeah your not even worthy of a discussion since youre starting in the wrong end. You dont believe what you can read up on. End of discussion.
And sorry to say, your post history is worthless to me since you fabricate your own truth. How can you discuss if the developers written words is lies? What do you base your facts on? In what degree do they lie? 10%, 25% or 50%. You see its no point discuss with people that already choosen not too believe whats put forth to ya. Its meaningless.
And only assumptions i made concerning you was that you as a seemingly EvE fan chooses to downtalk Darkfall for whatever reason? If thats a wrongly made up assumption, i appologize. And spending your time, workload and funds on developing the game instead of making huge promotings with fantasie sums seems to me a good assumption that the game will hit the shelfs in due time and the demand for subs will be lower.
Rest was facts.
LOL, sure, give up on the discussion because you're losing badly. You know you can't win so no point in continuing the debate.
Fabricate my own truth? I never claim much of anything I say is truth, but it sure is easy to see how many times the DF Devs have said they were going to hold a beta (as Ghoul has painstakingly pointed out to you in about 10 threads now) and its pretty obvious they aren't much for telling the truth. At the very least they show they are very bad at estimating dates, therefore no reason to have any confidence that they really know what they are doing.
I could turn your argument around and say there's no point to argue with people who believe everything they read from the Devs because they want to.
What I don't really understand is your zeal to defend DF so much? What does it matter to you if DF comes out or not? Did Aventurine ask you to defend them? I don't think so, in fact, I'm sure they'd rather not have gamers as zealous as you. It is just a game after all.
But back to the topic that the OP started, I don't think we know enough right now to make any predictions about DF's eventual success or failure. The evidence points towards the fact that someone is making a game somewhere. No idea if they will meet their lofty goals or ever deliver the game to market in a playable state. Might happen sure, but no reason to assume its going to. (odds are long against it)
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I told you where to find the quotes. If you are too lazy to look themup , thats your problem
Had to reduce your post to the truly relevant points, the largest of course being, "if the game delivers"
Prove it? Why dont you read up on the game abit before making such statements? Cant understand people that have no faith in there fellow man, why should Darkfall developers lie about something like this? And whats your intention by making such a statement? Only reason for it is to downtalk the game Darkfall and its developers. And i wonder why? Seems youre a EvE fan, so why dont you keep to that game and site instead of acting out youre negativism on the Darkfall board?
A quote from the Darkfall Developers concerning the reason they moved to Greece, read and learn - Article is from 26/1 2007 and they been in full production for 3 1/2 years, do the math yourself.
http://df.warcry.com/news/view/68059
[QUOTE] Tasos Flambouras: Aventurine was originally formed to fund and publish Darkfall. The development team was in Norway, at the time it was four developers working on design, concepting, and prototyping. While working with Razorwax to put the development team together we realized how high the operating costs, and the cost of living is in Norway. We decided to move our activities to Greece under Aventurine to get more game for our money. It took a while to organize and assemble the team and to get into full production which started about three and a half years ago. Aventurine was now developing the technology, the tools, and the game. At the time this project started there was no technology available that would allow us to do what we wanted, so everything had to be made from scratch. [/QUOTE]
I doubt you will see this as proof since it just written by the Darkfall developers? Its a matter of faith you know, and trust.
Sure i can discount the time before the companies emerged into Aventurine. Or do you call 4 developers in a basement in Norway with no equipment for a developer team for a game like Darkfall? Just read what Tasos informs us about the game, and personnaly i do believe the Darkfall developers alot more then i believe in a none fanbois like you with a huge lack of information as well.
And to be honest the Darkfall approach on their game is much more promising then most other games with a timelimit to fulfill whether the game is ready for it or not. They can selfpublish and take their sweet time before putting the game on beta and release. No investors is breathing down their necks, thank god.
Stop with the BS please. And quit accusing me of not having knowledge about DF. I've read all the crap they've published over the past few years, and you know what, I don't believe most of it.
You ask why have no faith in them? I have faith in God and the Bible, all others pay cash.
As for my presence here, if you had done any research on my post history you'd see that I'm actually looking forward to playing Darkfall (if it ever gets released of course) and you'll find me debating with both those who overly promote the game such as yourself, (the rose colored glasses crowd) as well as many of the detractors such as Polarization and Ghoul. Obviously I post on a lot of forums on games that I'm well versed with, and trust me, I'm well versed on DF and its past history.
Your posts are full of so many suppositions, half truths and outright lies at times that you can't prove in anyway, other than to take a few peoples word on things. (if even that).
So no point in telling me to go away, I won't, and expect me to debate all efforts to over promote (or incorrectly flame) this game and its capabilities. Welcome to my MMORPG.com.
Yeah your not even worthy of a discussion since youre starting in the wrong end. You dont believe what you can read up on. End of discussion.
And sorry to say, your post history is worthless to me since you fabricate your own truth. How can you discuss if the developers written words is lies? What do you base your facts on? In what degree do they lie? 10%, 25% or 50%. You see its no point discuss with people that already choosen not too believe whats put forth to ya. Its meaningless.
And only assumptions i made concerning you was that you as a seemingly EvE fan chooses to downtalk Darkfall for whatever reason? If thats a wrongly made up assumption, i appologize. And spending your time, workload and funds on developing the game instead of making huge promotings with fantasie sums seems to me a good assumption that the game will hit the shelfs in due time and the demand for subs will be lower.
Rest was facts.
LOL, sure, give up on the discussion because you're losing badly. You know you can't win so no point in continuing the debate.
Fabricate my own truth? I never claim much of anything I say is truth, but it sure is easy to see how many times the DF Devs have said they were going to hold a beta (as Ghoul has painstakingly pointed out to you in about 10 threads now) and its pretty obvious they aren't much for telling the truth. At the very least they show they are very bad at estimating dates, therefore no reason to have any confidence that they really know what they are doing.
I could turn your argument around and say there's no point to argue with people who believe everything they read from the Devs because they want to.
What I don't really understand is your zeal to defend DF so much? What does it matter to you if DF comes out or not? Did Aventurine ask you to defend them? I don't think so, in fact, I'm sure they'd rather not have gamers as zealous as you. It is just a game after all.
But back to the topic that the OP started, I don't think we know enough right now to make any predictions about DF's eventual success or failure. The evidence points towards the fact that someone is making a game somewhere. No idea if they will meet their lofty goals or ever deliver the game to market in a playable state. Might happen sure, but no reason to assume its going to. (odds are long against it)
Im really sad to see that your just as bad as the joke ghoul31. Didnt really think youre argumentation would drop that low to be honest.
Your actually quoting ghoul31, a person that not even can deliver a link of his?=)
I suggest you go back and play with the kids since i mistakingly took you for somewhat reasonable at first.
And youre not saying the truth. Youre making up your own story which isnt based on facts like i do. You even take the developers writing for lies. And you calling what youre saying the truth? Pathetic.
And funniest part is that youre totally avoiding discussing the facts i put forth to you. Seems youre choosing very hard to avoid the parts i presented for you about all these beta dates.
Aye i believe everything develpers inform me of until theyre proven wrong. Why shouldnt i? Youre not really saying that i should believe you and ghoul31 on a MMORPG board that is making up there own stories which isnt even based on any facts/info, do ya?=)
My only goal is to make people more interested in the game based on facts about the game. Another goal is to destroy the vaporware trolls wherever i see them. As i see it they is the lowlife on these sites. Im not making some rampage on the AoC site even though i dislike the game. Thats the difference btw you and me and that i actually tries to back my statements with links, quotes and such. You is just taking your so called "truth" out of the blue.
And back to the OP you say. Again youre making assumptions based on what? People that closely follow Darkfall and actually inform themself about the game is very confused why there is so many vaporware trolls arround and what they base there vaporism on? Personally i think that many dont inform themself enough cause theyre just lazy. Some listen to characters like ghoul31 which only intention here on the Darkfall board is to spread negativism and misinforming people.
If you read up on Darkfall and actually have an opened mind which i think youre lacking at the moment youd see more positive on the games future.
I admit that they have use the word beta to much. But still I think you are overreacting. You love to use those facs because this is the only negative facs you can came up with. And keep argument them in every thread, dosn't matter what the topic is, you always fall back on their "lies" about beta. And that everything else is a lie because of this. You dwell on those beta announcement to much, so you are blind to see anything positive with the game. But I know it's in your nature to be negative, if I've look at your other posts in other places.
The whole quote: 2007- Darkfall Developer Journal #9: The Beta Question
We've been throwing around the word beta quite a bit, and it's not to churn the waters, it's because it's what we're working on right now. An editorial on this site urged us to come out with a date. Well that's nice, and we will when we have one. We've specified that our internal target date is this summer and we can't get more specific yet, but we will when we're ready to make an announcement.
The whole quote: Nov 2005 Interview
Jonric: What is Darkfall's current status, when do you expect it to launch, and how much has it evolved during its extended development period of more than four years?
Tasos Flambouras: We're preparing for beta testing as we speak; you can apply on this page of our website. It's a huge job, and we want it done right. The start of the beta is affected by multiple variables, and not just development ones. The same goes for Darkfall's launch date. Once we have a date that we're reasonably sure of, we'll announce it immediately.
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lol you have to be stupid (not saying anyone is just saying) to take an internal target date seriously key words *internal target date*
not *offcial date*
What exactly is positive? Every year for the last 5 years they said beta was about to start, and it never has. They only went to one gaming convention, and didn't even bring the game. As the OP points out, they haven't shown us 90% of the features that are supposed to be in the game. Their latest video just shows backgrounds and some character models.
What is there to be positive about? What facts show us that the game will be released soon? There are none.
See thats your problem ghoul there is facts on it or least a suggestion toward release. But you are so god darn promt in calling them liars. that you dont see anything positive.
Why dotn you look at it as them ahve been telling the truth about everything. beside beta crap.
there a huge diffrence
What are the facts that show that this game will be released soon? Please enlighten me.
Tasos Flambouras: Previous estimates on beta were honest educated estimates based on facts at the time. Circumstances have a way of changing, so we don't want to try to estimate again when so many things are in flux. The only thing certain is that we expect everything to come together one way or another within a few months so that our launch can be within the year. When we decide whether to go with a publisher or to self publish we will announce a beta date.
http://www.warcry.com/articles/view/devjournals/darkfalljournals/2813-Darkfall-Dev-Journal-22-Community-Q-A.2
Who are You to say hes lieing? now if they dont gives us any more info on this by may then you can say they have lied maybe not intentional but whatever its a game
What exactly is positive? Every year for the last 5 years they said beta was about to start, and it never has. They only went to one gaming convention, and didn't even bring the game. As the OP points out, they haven't shown us 90% of the features that are supposed to be in the game. Their latest video just shows backgrounds and some character models.
What is there to be positive about? What facts show us that the game will be released soon? There are none.
See, now you are there again.
What are you trying to accomplish here if you don't have any interest in the game or see anything positive with it? Just argument against us who looking forward to a new game? Aye, that's it. You just turned yourself into a troll.
Are you feeling proud over yourself? almost 40 years old and act like a teenager who are in need of attention. Or if this isn't the case, please enlight everyone here why you act like you do against us.
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segg relax you may get banned again >< it isnt like ghoul has any pull here
It's ok
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And if they're put more effort MMORPG.com can create a 'Team Sceptic'
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