Warhammer universe is bloody, dirty and raw. WFT !!!! People turning into chickens ? Are they making a game for kids !?
Come on people ....
Warhammer is an extremely exaggerated and European satire world. GW themselves have always intented for prevailent comedy of a darker fashion. Besides the last time I looked killing an army soldier in TT didnt' have explosions of blood and guts only the comic books, novels, and the pen n paper game all of which were NOT written by the GW people at all.
The world also isn't about ganking lowbies for sick pleasure. If GW didn't like the chicken and thought it was out of character for the world they'd have Mythic remove it. If you can't find the humor in being an army of chickens then...there is no hope for your dark future.
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No but you'll probably be Ganked while your trying to zone in or rezzing since those areas are campable. Happy PvPing..we don't want negative bully nancies.
If GW approves and Beta Testers Rave to keep it (which is why they did keep the idea) then I say its all good plus I think its incredibly comical and I hate Gankers..so let them come to the Tier 1 Zones but punish them for it...that seems perfect in my book
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Go play AoC, I hear that game's FFA PVP server is right up your alley
Will I be transformed to a cute rabbit if I gank someone ?
As Elvenangel and the WAR devs stated: The beta testers like the once placeholder, now permanent, chicken turning mechanic. It shows everyone around that player what a higher level coming into a lower level RvR zone really is. I see you cannot fathom another game coming out since AoC is out now Crusher so you have to fill your fervered need to come here and bash WAR some more to make you feel more secure in your purchase of AoC. Some of us can enjoy both games without all the childish bashing. Please stop because you are making the community of AoC look like a bunch of children.
Cheers!
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Originally posted by Alien WAR is going to be about fighting opponents who can fight back. It's going to be about needing skill to win, not levels. WAR is not going to be for everyone and it's perfectly understandable if some can't deal with the idea that they'll actually need skill to win in PvP. They don't have to play WAR.
This is not true. WAR is a level-based MMO and has little to do with skill levels. I don't mean that as an insult to WAR because I think it will be the best available MMO once it hits the market, but don't get it confused with with a skill-based game. I'd prefer a skill based game, but they are rediculously difficult to make and successfully release with the MMO market these days.
If you are a higher level then you will more than likely win unless you are talking about skill in terms of doing something stupid while controlling your character, then of course it could come into play somewhat. And there will be skill in knowing how to use your character effeciently if in fact that is what you mean you are correct. But it IS level-based.
The chicken system simply keeps the game fair, thus fun. the point of WAR is to be in a constant battle in the various level zones, not going to starting areas and caping everyone. That would throw off how the game works entirely. Plus, after 120 votes 86% says no.. hmm.. seems fine to me.
Ganking players 20 levels lower is WoW, and if that is your cup of tea, stick to that.
Originally posted by Alien WAR is going to be about fighting opponents who can fight back. It's going to be about needing skill to win, not levels. WAR is not going to be for everyone and it's perfectly understandable if some can't deal with the idea that they'll actually need skill to win in PvP. They don't have to play WAR.
This is not true. WAR is a level-based MMO and has little to do with skill levels. I don't mean that as an insult to WAR because I think it will be the best available MMO once it hits the market, but don't get it confused with with a skill-based game. I'd prefer a skill based game, but they are rediculously difficult to make and successfully release with the MMO market these days.
If you are a higher level then you will more than likely win unless you are talking about skill in terms of doing something stupid while controlling your character, then of course it could come into play somewhat. And there will be skill in knowing how to use your character effeciently if in fact that is what you mean you are correct. But it IS level-based.
He's not refering to a skill based system he's refering to actual reactionary & tactical / strategic thinking skills. If you just run head long through a RvR area expect to die alot. Thats what he refers too. A smart skilled player will think first before just randomly running off somewhere. Not that it won't be fun to do that on a whim anyway but you get the point yes?
if a player wins it won't be due to level since the chicken system doesn't allow players out of level range to go hunting lowbies unless said lowbies go into a higher tiered area where they become fair game.
Please Refer to Doom Cat with all conspiracies & evil corporation complaints. He'll give you the simple explination of..WE"RE ALL DOOMED!
Please stop because you are making the community of AoC look like a bunch of children.
First off, I did not create this topic. Secondly, I'm very consired of how WAR is progressing. That Is why I express my thoughts in this thread. But when I do, I'm asked to leave (to AOC or something even worse).
The chicken thing is so silly. It goes against what Warhammer stands for, and It is just a feature to satisfy all the whiners.
To handle gankers, use an agression system like in WOW, or make Uber Elite NPC guards who quickly take care of the greifers. But for god sake, don't introduce any more crap to WAR.
Please stop because you are making the community of AoC look like a bunch of children.
First off, I did not create this topic. Secondly, I'm very consired of how WAR is progressing. That Is why I express my thoughts in this thread. But when I do, I'm asked to leave (to AOC or something even worse).
The chicken thing is so silly. It goes against what Warhammer stands for, and It is just a feature to satisfy all the whiners.
To handle gankers, use an agression system like in WOW, or make Uber Elite NPC guards who quickly take care of the greifers. But for god sake, don't introduce any more crap to WAR.
You know what really makes me laugh is all these AOC fans saying how they re happy with 48 vs 48 end game EPIC pvp sieges because it s fair blah blah blah. Then in Warhammer they throw a little thing in like making a gutless lowbie killing ganker into a chicken for fun and humor sake to make it FAIR yet it s stupid in WAR. It might be cute and silly to you but to me it s a bit of humor like there is in Warhammers lore. See it s there to make the gaming experience fun and fair for all in RVR situations not just a gankfest frusteration.
I hope it stays in, not just so everyone doesnt have to deal with people ganking but also so I can go to low tier zones and mess with lowbies as a chicken, that imo sounds like fun.
I hope it stays in, not just so everyone doesnt have to deal with people ganking but also so I can go to low tier zones and mess with lowbies as a chicken, that imo sounds like fun.
Lol it does and i m sure it will stay in. See they don t want to deal with the stuff that happens in a FFA pvp game type this is why it s a RVR game. It will stay im sure.
I would wait to see how it integrates with the whole combat and PvP system before commenting for or against it. If the developers felt it was needed given beta feedback, then it probably did.
Please stop because you are making the community of AoC look like a bunch of children.
First off, I did not create this topic. Secondly, I'm very consired of how WAR is progressing. That Is why I express my thoughts in this thread. But when I do, I'm asked to leave (to AOC or something even worse).
The chicken thing is so silly. It goes against what Warhammer stands for, and It is just a feature to satisfy all the whiners.
To handle gankers, use an agression system like in WOW, or make Uber Elite NPC guards who quickly take care of the greifers. But for god sake, don't introduce any more crap to WAR.
The RvR areas are supposed to be PVP content areas you shouldn't NEED PvE guards to protect you, its one thing to have Keep Guards to help enforce Keep control so players can go to sleep but another to have wandering ones.
Its a cop out to me that I'd have to RUN away from a perfectly good Keep battle because its taken over entirely by Tier 4 people despite the Keep being for Teir 2 players. Thats why the chicken system is there. Gankers / Lowbie Hunters would just guild up & OWN an entire Zone made for Lower Levels. If it wasn't the chicken it'd be something else entirely like a message saying "you can't enter this zone" which is FAR less immersive and way less fun than the chicken.
Zone control is extremely important and if you think a couple of high level guards would be enough to keep High Levels from completely unbalancing the game by taking over Lower Level areas then your obviously crazy or you have no idea how much zone control plays into the game. Zone control actually matters alot in Warhammer.
You may enjoy ganking or getting ganked but most people don't if the PvP content wasnt' actually IMPORTANT there'd be no need for the chicken or a restriction / cut off wall for high level players and your guard mechanic would make sense.
Please Refer to Doom Cat with all conspiracies & evil corporation complaints. He'll give you the simple explination of..WE"RE ALL DOOMED!
The chicken thing is so silly. It goes against what Warhammer stands for, and It is just a feature to satisfy all the whiners.
It doesn't go against what "Warhammer stands for." Warhammer is replete with humor.
I like the chicken rule, I hope it stays, and I hope that I will be a part of killing a 100 chicken raid and also be a part of a 100 chicken raid. Sounds like great fun!
Until you cancel your subscription, you are only helping to continue the cycle of mediocrity.
But will you be able to customize your chicken avatar adequately? Feather style, Eye size (beady eyed evil looking bird or Big eyed cartoon mutant, etc.), color scheme of course... and will the chicken grow if it actually manages to kill something? Which btw, will there be cock fights possible, as in can upper tier opponents both be in a lower tier area? THis might start a whole nother E-sport.
Just some random, completely rhetorical, non-serious thoughts.
It would be funny as a side game to customize your chicken but sadly No unless they're hiding it from us you can't customize your chicken form. Considering you do get a Peck attack I don't see why two chickens couldn't peck each other to death...
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Originally posted by StellosOriginally posted by Alien WAR is going to be about fighting opponents who can fight back. It's going to be about needing skill to win, not levels. WAR is not going to be for everyone and it's perfectly understandable if some can't deal with the idea that they'll actually need skill to win in PvP. They don't have to play WAR.
This is not true. WAR is a level-based MMO and has little to do with skill levels. I don't mean that as an insult to WAR because I think it will be the best available MMO once it hits the market, but don't get it confused with with a skill-based game. I'd prefer a skill based game, but they are rediculously difficult to make and successfully release with the MMO market these days.
If you are a higher level then you will more than likely win unless you are talking about skill in terms of doing something stupid while controlling your character, then of course it could come into play somewhat. And there will be skill in knowing how to use your character effeciently if in fact that is what you mean you are correct. But it IS level-based.
He's not refering to a skill based system he's refering to actual reactionary & tactical / strategic thinking skills. If you just run head long through a RvR area expect to die alot. Thats what he refers too. A smart skilled player will think first before just randomly running off somewhere. Not that it won't be fun to do that on a whim anyway but you get the point yes?
if a player wins it won't be due to level since the chicken system doesn't allow players out of level range to go hunting lowbies unless said lowbies go into a higher tiered area where they become fair game.
Exactly what I meant, Elvenangel. Thank you for explaining so I didn't need to do it. DoomKitty gets a DoomCatnip.
Looking at the poll results so far, it looks like it seriously backfired on the OP. But the thread did point out some things people often overlook.
WAR is a game and Mythic are good designers so we should expect game mechanics for balancing
The Warhammer setting DOES have crazy humor. It's not just all bloody, dark grimness.
Frankly I rather have a system were you temporarily de-level to the highest rank of that tier level when you enter a lower tier zone. This would easily allow people to play with friends and go back to complete old/new quests/content in the future.
Games I've played/tried out:WAR, LOTRO, Tabula Rasa, AoC, EQ1, EQ2, WoW, Vangaurd, FFXI, D&DO, Lineage 2, Saga Of Ryzom, EvE Online, DAoC, Guild Wars,Star Wars Galaxies, Hell Gate London, Auto Assault, Grando Espada ( AKA SoTNW ), Archlord, CoV/H, Star Trek Online, APB, Champions Online, FFXIV, Rift Online, GW2.
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I'm too lazy to look for the link Bama, but basically it works like this:
If a higher level player enters a lower tiered zone he is immediately transformed into a chaos chicken.
The chicken has 1 hit point, and 1 skill "Peck" that only inflicts 1 point of damage if it hits. Also I belive all stats are made 1 as well.
Warhammer universe is bloody, dirty and raw. WFT !!!! People turning into chickens ? Are they making a game for kids !?
Come on people ....
no they are making this game for people who live to PVP/PVE and have fun not get ganked around every turn
Warhammer is an extremely exaggerated and European satire world. GW themselves have always intented for prevailent comedy of a darker fashion. Besides the last time I looked killing an army soldier in TT didnt' have explosions of blood and guts only the comic books, novels, and the pen n paper game all of which were NOT written by the GW people at all.
The world also isn't about ganking lowbies for sick pleasure. If GW didn't like the chicken and thought it was out of character for the world they'd have Mythic remove it. If you can't find the humor in being an army of chickens then...there is no hope for your dark future.
Please Refer to Doom Cat with all conspiracies & evil corporation complaints. He'll give you the simple explination of..WE"RE ALL DOOMED!
Go play AoC, I hear that game's FFA PVP server is right up your alley
Always change your signature.
Will I be transformed to a cute rabbit if I gank someone ?
No but you'll probably be Ganked while your trying to zone in or rezzing since those areas are campable. Happy PvPing..we don't want negative bully nancies.
If GW approves and Beta Testers Rave to keep it (which is why they did keep the idea) then I say its all good plus I think its incredibly comical and I hate Gankers..so let them come to the Tier 1 Zones but punish them for it...that seems perfect in my book
Please Refer to Doom Cat with all conspiracies & evil corporation complaints. He'll give you the simple explination of..WE"RE ALL DOOMED!
Will I be transformed to a cute rabbit if I gank someone ?
As Elvenangel and the WAR devs stated: The beta testers like the once placeholder, now permanent, chicken turning mechanic. It shows everyone around that player what a higher level coming into a lower level RvR zone really is. I see you cannot fathom another game coming out since AoC is out now Crusher so you have to fill your fervered need to come here and bash WAR some more to make you feel more secure in your purchase of AoC. Some of us can enjoy both games without all the childish bashing. Please stop because you are making the community of AoC look like a bunch of children.
Cheers!
MMO Vet since AOL Neverwinter Nights circa 1992. My MMO beat up your MMO. =S
If you are a higher level then you will more than likely win unless you are talking about skill in terms of doing something stupid while controlling your character, then of course it could come into play somewhat. And there will be skill in knowing how to use your character effeciently if in fact that is what you mean you are correct. But it IS level-based.
The chicken system simply keeps the game fair, thus fun. the point of WAR is to be in a constant battle in the various level zones, not going to starting areas and caping everyone. That would throw off how the game works entirely. Plus, after 120 votes 86% says no.. hmm.. seems fine to me.
Ganking players 20 levels lower is WoW, and if that is your cup of tea, stick to that.
WHEN DID CREATIVITY DIE
If you are a higher level then you will more than likely win unless you are talking about skill in terms of doing something stupid while controlling your character, then of course it could come into play somewhat. And there will be skill in knowing how to use your character effeciently if in fact that is what you mean you are correct. But it IS level-based.
He's not refering to a skill based system he's refering to actual reactionary & tactical / strategic thinking skills. If you just run head long through a RvR area expect to die alot. Thats what he refers too. A smart skilled player will think first before just randomly running off somewhere. Not that it won't be fun to do that on a whim anyway but you get the point yes?
if a player wins it won't be due to level since the chicken system doesn't allow players out of level range to go hunting lowbies unless said lowbies go into a higher tiered area where they become fair game.
Please Refer to Doom Cat with all conspiracies & evil corporation complaints. He'll give you the simple explination of..WE"RE ALL DOOMED!
First off, I did not create this topic. Secondly, I'm very consired of how WAR is progressing. That Is why I express my thoughts in this thread. But when I do, I'm asked to leave (to AOC or something even worse).
The chicken thing is so silly. It goes against what Warhammer stands for, and It is just a feature to satisfy all the whiners.
To handle gankers, use an agression system like in WOW, or make Uber Elite NPC guards who quickly take care of the greifers. But for god sake, don't introduce any more crap to WAR.
First off, I did not create this topic. Secondly, I'm very consired of how WAR is progressing. That Is why I express my thoughts in this thread. But when I do, I'm asked to leave (to AOC or something even worse).
The chicken thing is so silly. It goes against what Warhammer stands for, and It is just a feature to satisfy all the whiners.
To handle gankers, use an agression system like in WOW, or make Uber Elite NPC guards who quickly take care of the greifers. But for god sake, don't introduce any more crap to WAR.
You know what really makes me laugh is all these AOC fans saying how they re happy with 48 vs 48 end game EPIC pvp sieges because it s fair blah blah blah. Then in Warhammer they throw a little thing in like making a gutless lowbie killing ganker into a chicken for fun and humor sake to make it FAIR yet it s stupid in WAR. It might be cute and silly to you but to me it s a bit of humor like there is in Warhammers lore. See it s there to make the gaming experience fun and fair for all in RVR situations not just a gankfest frusteration.
I hope it stays in, not just so everyone doesnt have to deal with people ganking but also so I can go to low tier zones and mess with lowbies as a chicken, that imo sounds like fun.
Lol it does and i m sure it will stay in. See they don t want to deal with the stuff that happens in a FFA pvp game type this is why it s a RVR game. It will stay im sure.
I can't wait to see the first hundred chicken "raid" and see how many newbs they can kill, if any, before being all destroyed.
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I would wait to see how it integrates with the whole combat and PvP system before commenting for or against it. If the developers felt it was needed given beta feedback, then it probably did.
First off, I did not create this topic. Secondly, I'm very consired of how WAR is progressing. That Is why I express my thoughts in this thread. But when I do, I'm asked to leave (to AOC or something even worse).
The chicken thing is so silly. It goes against what Warhammer stands for, and It is just a feature to satisfy all the whiners.
To handle gankers, use an agression system like in WOW, or make Uber Elite NPC guards who quickly take care of the greifers. But for god sake, don't introduce any more crap to WAR.
The RvR areas are supposed to be PVP content areas you shouldn't NEED PvE guards to protect you, its one thing to have Keep Guards to help enforce Keep control so players can go to sleep but another to have wandering ones.
Its a cop out to me that I'd have to RUN away from a perfectly good Keep battle because its taken over entirely by Tier 4 people despite the Keep being for Teir 2 players. Thats why the chicken system is there. Gankers / Lowbie Hunters would just guild up & OWN an entire Zone made for Lower Levels. If it wasn't the chicken it'd be something else entirely like a message saying "you can't enter this zone" which is FAR less immersive and way less fun than the chicken.
Zone control is extremely important and if you think a couple of high level guards would be enough to keep High Levels from completely unbalancing the game by taking over Lower Level areas then your obviously crazy or you have no idea how much zone control plays into the game. Zone control actually matters alot in Warhammer.
You may enjoy ganking or getting ganked but most people don't if the PvP content wasnt' actually IMPORTANT there'd be no need for the chicken or a restriction / cut off wall for high level players and your guard mechanic would make sense.
Please Refer to Doom Cat with all conspiracies & evil corporation complaints. He'll give you the simple explination of..WE"RE ALL DOOMED!
I like the chicken rule, I hope it stays, and I hope that I will be a part of killing a 100 chicken raid and also be a part of a 100 chicken raid. Sounds like great fun!
Until you cancel your subscription, you are only helping to continue the cycle of mediocrity.
But will you be able to customize your chicken avatar adequately? Feather style, Eye size (beady eyed evil looking bird or Big eyed cartoon mutant, etc.), color scheme of course... and will the chicken grow if it actually manages to kill something? Which btw, will there be cock fights possible, as in can upper tier opponents both be in a lower tier area? THis might start a whole nother E-sport.
Just some random, completely rhetorical, non-serious thoughts.
It would be funny as a side game to customize your chicken but sadly No unless they're hiding it from us you can't customize your chicken form. Considering you do get a Peck attack I don't see why two chickens couldn't peck each other to death...
Please Refer to Doom Cat with all conspiracies & evil corporation complaints. He'll give you the simple explination of..WE"RE ALL DOOMED!
No thanks.
If you know anything about Mark Jacobs you know he's not for anything that allows this sort of behavior.
I suspect they'll probably add a FFA server and like in DAoC it'll fade down to the 2 people that like that sorta thing in no time.
http://www.greycouncil.org/
here's a video link to someone being chickenfied, notice it gives the player a countdown before he "poofs"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSq-Wj_PwAc
This is not true. WAR is a level-based MMO and has little to do with skill levels. I don't mean that as an insult to WAR because I think it will be the best available MMO once it hits the market, but don't get it confused with with a skill-based game. I'd prefer a skill based game, but they are rediculously difficult to make and successfully release with the MMO market these days.If you are a higher level then you will more than likely win unless you are talking about skill in terms of doing something stupid while controlling your character, then of course it could come into play somewhat. And there will be skill in knowing how to use your character effeciently if in fact that is what you mean you are correct. But it IS level-based.
He's not refering to a skill based system he's refering to actual reactionary & tactical / strategic thinking skills. If you just run head long through a RvR area expect to die alot. Thats what he refers too. A smart skilled player will think first before just randomly running off somewhere. Not that it won't be fun to do that on a whim anyway but you get the point yes?
if a player wins it won't be due to level since the chicken system doesn't allow players out of level range to go hunting lowbies unless said lowbies go into a higher tiered area where they become fair game.
Exactly what I meant, Elvenangel. Thank you for explaining so I didn't need to do it. DoomKitty gets a DoomCatnip.
Looking at the poll results so far, it looks like it seriously backfired on the OP. But the thread did point out some things people often overlook.
Frankly I rather have a system were you temporarily de-level to the highest rank of that tier level when you enter a lower tier zone. This would easily allow people to play with friends and go back to complete old/new quests/content in the future.
Games I've played/tried out:WAR, LOTRO, Tabula Rasa, AoC, EQ1, EQ2, WoW, Vangaurd, FFXI, D&DO, Lineage 2, Saga Of Ryzom, EvE Online, DAoC, Guild Wars,Star Wars Galaxies, Hell Gate London, Auto Assault, Grando Espada ( AKA SoTNW ), Archlord, CoV/H, Star Trek Online, APB, Champions Online, FFXIV, Rift Online, GW2.
Game(s) I Am Currently Playing:
GW2 (+LoL and BF3)