ummax and Obraik are just misguided here... You are blaming EVERYONE and EVERYTHING for low FPS except for the actual game.
This is because they are too emotionally invested in their defense of SWG and SOE. They can't admit they are wrong about this issue because then they might be wrong about all of their arguments. They are no longer able to look objectively at SWG and critique it in any meainingful way.
I think you hit the nail on the head with that one.
you guys do realize that I didn't actually say anything about the FPS in this game and that my post actually lumped sony in with the rest of the crappy service providers for blaming users computers for the issue right and that in fact we both said totally opposite things in this thread?
Or is everyone convinced now I work for sony?
I will also then state for the record that I'm the prime minister and that my I'm queen elizabeth's secret daughter
Since denail of this stuff is in fact impossible its all true right?
Here is a more reasonable explanation
I dont post on other forums on this site because I dont play any other games on this site and I dont post about what I"m not playing I forget about it.
Apart from that carry on its getting interesting
People should take the time to read what is being said in threads then they would be less confused about what others actually say
The game is better than WoW, and it would do good if the old vets didnt all get ticked and leave and then beat the game to nothingness by discouraging anyone to play it. In other words: Everyone go download the free trial and if you like it buy it and maybe if SOE starts to get more money off of it they will improve it!
Bah ha ha ha based on the votes 80% say no lol
must b multi votes for yes from some one lol
And suddenly the "vocal minority" becomes the majority.
I dont post on other forums on this site because I dont play any other games on this site and I dont post about what I"m not playing I forget about it.
So all those posts made under your name in the Pirates of the Burning Sea forum were made by an imposter?
I dont post on other forums on this site because I dont play any other games on this site and I dont post about what I"m not playing I forget about it.
So all those posts made under your name in the Pirates of the Burning Sea forum were made by an imposter?
err until 1 weeek ago I was actually still hanging on and playing. My subcription officially ended yesterday so not sure what your talking about here but if your talking about all 10 post fine. Also your following me around this site or what? because quite honestly that's creepy. I know its hard to believe but some people stop caring about things once they leave them behind
Apathy sure seems like a great way to describe games that are heralded as "The game isn't that bad" .
Why care about games you don't play you say. It isn't like those games will have any affect on whatever game you are playing or waiting to come out. Nope, in no way did WoW have any affect on the braintrust behind SWG. Of course you might be totally wrong too.
don't use your little sony box FPS meter use fraps or something to check your FPS, you will get very different results... It's not rocket science that it's the server.
ummax and Obraik are just misguided here... You are blaming EVERYONE and EVERYTHING for low FPS except for the actual game. Obraik, you clearly have little to no understanding of client-side and server-side arrangements. You also clearly don't understand how the actual servers, the game code, and the systems can have an impact on the performance the game has on your computer. I don't care if you are playing on a premiere gaming unit, if the game is poorly designed and the servers aren't efficient, you will get dramatically worse results. I realize you work for SOE in the PR department and have nothing to do with development but you just don't and won't get it. Ummax is just as confused. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if you were the same person with different usernames.
You need to learn how to read what's actually wrriten.
That actually makes a lot of sense... since it is WoW that 'destroyed' Star Wars Galaxies.
Why play a half done copy when you can play the real thing ?
I played swg for years lol but never again
Witty reply, but the fact remain that WoW is the very game that destroyed SWG - no way around it. In fact, it's continuing to destroy MMO's to this day.
Talk about "selling your soul to the devil."
Say what you will about the fact that every few months I sub to SWG for the crafting - say I'm a "fanboi" a "NGE supporter" a "idiot from hell" - but YOU play WoW.
I miss the good ol' days when nerds were actually intelligent.
That actually makes a lot of sense... since it is WoW that 'destroyed' Star Wars Galaxies.
Why play a half done copy when you can play the real thing ?
I played swg for years lol but never again
Witty reply, but the fact remain that WoW is the very game that destroyed SWG - no way around it. In fact, it's continuing to destroy MMO's to this day.
Talk about "selling your soul to the devil."
Say what you will about the fact that every few months I sub to SWG for the crafting - say I'm a "fanboi" a "NGE supporter" a "idiot from hell" - but YOU play WoW.
Yes Blizzard is the "FACT" why SWG is destroyed. It has nothing to do with the years of SOE pushing their products out long before they are release worthy. Nothing to do with ignoring their customers and doing what they think will make them more money, even when they know it will lose them some current subscribers. Nothing to do with breaking trust bonds or just flat out being liars to their customers.
Nope, Blizzard made a finished well made product that works and that must be why SWG was ruined. I know seeing a game that is well thought out and finished must be such a foreign concept coming from SOE land, but lets at least try to give SOE some credit for the results of their actions.
WoW is such a success, because the MMO market was so freaking weak that it was only a matter of time before someone did it.
So in other words, you listen to Britney Spears and think her music is better than, say, The Misfits because she has sold 100 times the albums they have.
And dude, if you think WoW is a good game... damn. We should just end this discussion because we are WAY too different in our opinions of what makes a good MMO.
Also, with all their millions of subs you'd think they would actually spend some of their profit on you fanboys. But no, 4 years and only one expansion. Yeah, thats good business ethics alright.
Thats $15 x 8 million every 30 days. 1 expansion. Yeah, what a great company.
You fund this evil giant and therefore you fund the DESTRUCTION of virtual worlds.
SWG even today is a thousand times better than that pre-school game.
I'd rater play with myself than play WoW.
I miss the good ol' days when nerds were actually intelligent.
Nikoz, stop deflecting. SWG is in the shape it is because of the choices that SOE made. You can yammer on about brittany spears or how WoW doesn't put out enough expansions, but you are just trying to cloud the subject of backing up your comments. Ipods, coca-cola and intel are market dominators so by your logic that must mean they suck too? Quit being obtuse.
I will ask you a direct question, can you please explain how WoW is responsible for the destruction of SWG... please? Don't go off on some wild tangent about Blizzard being evil or some crap like that. Be specific, don't apologize for SOE and detail why you say WoW destroyed SWG.
I will take 2 years between expansions any day over the rubbish that SOE churns out just to meet deadlines regardless of how it affects their game. Quality > Quantity which is something you haven't gotten yet? How are the ZERO expansions for SWG suiting you for the past THREE years?
So in other words, you listen to Britney Spears and think her music is better than, say, The Misfits because she has sold 100 times the albums they have. And dude, if you think WoW is a good game... damn. We should just end this discussion because we are WAY too different in our opinions of what makes a good MMO. Also, with all their millions of subs you'd think they would actually spend some of their profit on you fanboys. But no, 4 years and only one expansion. Yeah, thats good business ethics alright. Thats $15 x 8 million every 30 days. 1 expansion. Yeah, what a great company. You fund this evil giant and therefore you fund the DESTRUCTION of virtual worlds. SWG even today is a thousand times better than that pre-school game. I'd rater play with myself than play WoW.
WoW, no pun intented, but you are just a confused kid.
World of Warcraft is 100 times better than SWG. You DO realize that the NGE is a bad rip-off of WoW right? That's why the game was changed.... To look and play like WoW....
WoW runs 1000X smoother, has 1/10th of the issues, has 1000X the populations....
The NGE "Skills" come from WoW. The pet system comes from WoW. The professions come from WoW. WoW UI is a lot better than SWG. WoW doesn't have the major lag issues. The list goes on and on.
I don't like WoW. I only played WoW to see what the hype was about after Pre-CU was taken away. It's a game for kids. Despite all that it is 100X more fun than the NGE. It isn't even close. The quests are a lot better and more diverse and the game doesn't feel so stale and dead.
That actually makes a lot of sense... since it is WoW that 'destroyed' Star Wars Galaxies.
Why play a half done copy when you can play the real thing ?
I played swg for years lol but never again
Witty reply, but the fact remain that WoW is the very game that destroyed SWG - no way around it. In fact, it's continuing to destroy MMO's to this day.
Talk about "selling your soul to the devil."
Say what you will about the fact that every few months I sub to SWG for the crafting - say I'm a "fanboi" a "NGE supporter" a "idiot from hell" - but YOU play WoW.
lol dude if you are enjoying the game all the power to you...
I am not.
I also never called you anything..
I also dislike wow a lot...
I find the players when your looking for a group to be in wow purple crazy if you don't have the purples you don't get the group. even in the guild I'm in,I never answer a H-group request as i hate being ignored.
And dude, if you think WoW is a good game... damn. We should just end this discussion because we are WAY too different in our opinions of what makes a good MMO.
See above.
Also, if you don't know how WoW destroyed the better pre-cu game, as well as continuing to destroy virtual worlds - then you have a lot to learn about our genera of computer games.
Somewhat of an example would be how huge corporations have taken over the music industry.
They have taken country music and infused it with catchy, shallow candy-assed pop crap. Because pop $ells.
They don't care about destroying what used to be soulful, wholesome folk music. Now days you see a music video of Shania Twain doing the booty shake to what sounds like R&B music. Thats country music??
They replaced Don Williams (who writes his own music based on his life experience) with 'hollywood' pseudo-rebel Toby Keith (who's songs are written by hired-help and pre-selected by business men).
And I have a problem with that.
WoW is destroying virtual worlds because they dumbed down (WAY down) the core of what an MMO is (or should I say, USED to be). They made a pop-MMO, if you will. They cashed in on all the sheep who don't know any better (same people who buy pop music).
So now all the other evil corporations (SOE, TURBINE, et al), are trying to cash in as well. What do we have now? Things like the NGE and countless WoW clones (with no end in sight).
You can say I should not rag on Blizzard for doing what evil corporations do - and you would have a point.
It's like getting mad at a wild dog when it bites you and infects you with rabies.
But I don't have to like it.
So defend WoW all you want. No matter how you TRY to spin it - you know I'm right. At least, if you're hip to what I'm talking about.
SWG even today is much closer to a REAL open-ended virtual world than your little "WOW" computer game could ever hope to be.
You remember those things called MMORPG's, right?
The only real MMO's today are Vanguard, Darkfall, Fallen Earth and of course the classics like UO.
I miss the good ol' days when nerds were actually intelligent.
While I agree with you that WoW is bad for MMO gaming, I have to question your logic when you PAY to play a game that is an inferior copy of WoW itself.
I mean if you said, "WoW destroyed SWG so that's why I hate it and I don't play SWG any longer" then your argument makes sense...
Problem is you still PAY to play the game that attempted to copy WoW and ditched a complex and rich system in doing so. So by example, you are supporting the impact WoW has because you still subscribe to SWG. So apparently you don't hate WoW THAT much because you still financially contribute to a game that dumed itself down to steal every idea that it employs from WoW.
And dude, if you think WoW is a good game... damn. We should just end this discussion because we are WAY too different in our opinions of what makes a good MMO.
See above.
Also, if you don't know how WoW destroyed the better pre-cu game, as well as continuing to destroy virtual worlds - then you have a lot to learn about our genera of computer games.
Somewhat of an example would be how huge corporations have taken over the music industry.
They have taken country music and infused it with catchy, shallow candy-assed pop crap. Because pop $ells.
They don't care about destroying what used to be soulful, wholesome folk music. Now days you see a music video of Shania Twain doing the booty shake to what sounds like R&B music. Thats country music??
They replaced Don Williams (who writes his own music based on his life experience) with 'hollywood' pseudo-rebel Toby Keith (who's songs are written by hired-help and pre-selected by business men).
And I have a problem with that.
WoW is destroying virtual worlds because they dumbed down (WAY down) the core of what an MMO is (or should I say, USED to be). They made a pop-MMO, if you will. They cashed in on all the sheep who don't know any better (same people who buy pop music).
So now all the other evil corporations (SOE, TURBINE, et al), are trying to cash in as well. What do we have now? Things like the NGE and countless WoW clones (with no end in sight).
You can say I should not rag on Blizzard for doing what evil corporations do - and you would have a point.
It's like getting mad at a wild dog when it bites you and infects you with rabies.
But I don't have to like it.
So defend WoW all you want. No matter how you TRY to spin it - you know I'm right. At least, if you're hip to what I'm talking about.
SWG even today is much closer to a REAL open-ended virtual world than your little "WOW" computer game could ever hope to be.
You remember those things called MMORPG's, right?
The only real MMO's today are Vanguard, Darkfall, Fallen Earth and of course the classics like UO.
First lets not say what a "real" MMO is and what isn't as if your opinions are the be all end all of gaming. It is fine that you have your personal preference of sandbox styled games or whatever, but that doesn't automatically disqualify every other game as being bad, let alone detrimental of the genre. There are plenty of games I don't like, but I can be mature enough to respect them for being solid games for those that enjoy.
Also, what is with the stupid analogies that make no sense at all. Simply pointing at something popular with negative pop culture stigmas doesn't make your views valid. I could say things just as pointless like Star Wars movies hold 5 of the top 25 grossing movies of all times. SW fans are sheep and lucas is the evil empire ruining movies. Blah blah blah, enough misdirecting already. If you don't want to talk about the subject stop posting. Enough about pop music, rabid dogs and hamburgers already.
Now to point. SWG was bleeding subscribers before WoW. It was being revamped long before WoW. SOE was lying to the players long before WoW. The game was a complete mess at launch, the CU, the NGE and beyond. SOE changed design directions every time they sneezed before WoW. The point is that everything that is happening now in SWG was already happening. The mismanagement, the lies, the broken gameplay, everything. WoW didn't ruin SWG, it just accelerated the decline.
WoW took what players were asking for in MMOs and delivered a finished game based on that input.
SOE ignored what players asked for several times, delivered the exact opposite based on who the hell knows what they were thinking and continually failed to deliver anything close to a finished game based on that. Why do you blame anyone other than SOE for the train wreck that is SWG? What else is there to say? Even Smedley admits it.
Just so you know what I mean by "good" game. I am not talking about one you might enjoy, I am talking about a finished well thought out product. Not one that has the players paying money for months/years on end hoping the devs will fix and finish the game so it lives up to its potential. The days of paying money in the hopes of a company getting around to fixing something so that the players MIGHT like it are dead. That is what WoW changed and most people don't realize. The days of paying in the hopes of something fun might eventually happen are over (edit: hopefully!). People who still think like that are really holding back the genre if you really look at it. There is nothing stopping a company from following the basic footsteps of WoW and making tons of money. I'm not talking about cloning WoW/EQ either. It could be a sandbox game, space shooter or whatever your heart desires.
I voted no. I'm not one of these vets you are talking about that discourages people to stay away from the game, but I am a vet. In my opinion, the game is crap for many reasons. All my reasons has been stated many times before, so I won't get into it. Let's put it this way, if the game was that good, it would sell itself. It's Star Wars for Pete's sake. There should be millions of people rushing in to pick up a copy, like Blizzard did with WoW. Most MMORPGers don't read forums, so there is another reason people aren't buying SWG. You should think about what those reasons are.
MMORPG's w/ Max level characters: DAoC, SWG, & WoW
Currently Playing: WAR Preferred Playstyle: Roleplay/adventurous, in a sandbox game.
I voted no. I'm not one of these vets you are talking about that discourages people to stay away from the game, but I am a vet. In my opinion, the game is crap for many reasons. All my reasons has been stated many times before, so I won't get into it. Let's put it this way, if the game was that good, it would sell itself. It's Star Wars for Pete's sake. There should be millions of people rushing in to pick up a copy, like Blizzard did with WoW. Most MMORPGers don't read forums, so there is another reason people aren't buying SWG. You should think about what those reasons are.
So, by your own words, for a game to be good there has to be millions of people buying it? Guess the rules out the majority of MMO's then...
No Obriak, what he is saying is that the game could have been good enough combined with the Star Wars title to reach millions of subscribers if the game was as great as people say it is. Instead the game is suffering from a bleeding population problem for years and has little to no ability to attract new players, because the game is not as good as people here want others to believe.
You could take the non-combat entertainment professions out, the sandbox housing system, the integrated PvP/PvE system, the huge non-instanced/zoned planets, the kickass crafting system, the multi-passenger space ships/the deep-space station/space PvP, the harvesting machines, the insane amount of factions, all the Star Wars reference and NPC's, and on and on.... you could take out everything good that remains in this game...
And it would STILL be better than your "WOW!" toy.
Some forum vets just started an official MMORPG.com guild. What game did they choose? VANGUARD (an SOE game). Why? In their own words, "it's the closest thing we could find to a real MMO."
Come on, why should we accept what they are doing to our genera? We may argue and disagree, but what unites us is our love of these virtual worlds. And don't tell me we have no power to effect things. Just look at the history of Star Wars Galaxies.
I miss the good ol' days when nerds were actually intelligent.
Yet again you have not detailed how WOW is responsible for the destruction of SWG and now it seems the entire genre. Still waiting for your explanation.
As is a few forum "vets" making a guild in a game here is the definitive proof of your ideas? Is that really the best evidence you have to offer? Really?
I will again submit, if SWG was such an awesome game then why does only a handful of people play it? If the game were as great as you think it is, then it would sell itself and more people would flock to it. In theory all those things you list sound awesome and are things I would love to play with and some I miss very much, but it is to bad they have never delivered a cohesive experience when all put together. The two most requested items on the official forums from the actual players are server mergers and a return to the old game. What does that tell you?
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This is because they are too emotionally invested in their defense of SWG and SOE. They can't admit they are wrong about this issue because then they might be wrong about all of their arguments. They are no longer able to look objectively at SWG and critique it in any meainingful way.
I think you hit the nail on the head with that one.
you guys do realize that I didn't actually say anything about the FPS in this game and that my post actually lumped sony in with the rest of the crappy service providers for blaming users computers for the issue right and that in fact we both said totally opposite things in this thread?
Or is everyone convinced now I work for sony?
I will also then state for the record that I'm the prime minister and that my I'm queen elizabeth's secret daughter
Since denail of this stuff is in fact impossible its all true right?
Here is a more reasonable explanation
I dont post on other forums on this site because I dont play any other games on this site and I dont post about what I"m not playing I forget about it.
Apart from that carry on its getting interesting
People should take the time to read what is being said in threads then they would be less confused about what others actually say
Bah ha ha ha based on the votes 80% say no lol
must b multi votes for yes from some one lol
And suddenly the "vocal minority" becomes the majority.
So all those posts made under your name in the Pirates of the Burning Sea forum were made by an imposter?
So all those posts made under your name in the Pirates of the Burning Sea forum were made by an imposter?
err until 1 weeek ago I was actually still hanging on and playing. My subcription officially ended yesterday so not sure what your talking about here but if your talking about all 10 post fine. Also your following me around this site or what? because quite honestly that's creepy. I know its hard to believe but some people stop caring about things once they leave them behind
Apathy sure seems like a great way to describe games that are heralded as "The game isn't that bad" .
Why care about games you don't play you say. It isn't like those games will have any affect on whatever game you are playing or waiting to come out. Nope, in no way did WoW have any affect on the braintrust behind SWG. Of course you might be totally wrong too.
don't use your little sony box FPS meter use fraps or something to check your FPS, you will get very different results... It's not rocket science that it's the server.
That actually makes a lot of sense... since it is WoW that 'destroyed' Star Wars Galaxies.
Why play a half done copy when you can play the real thing ?
I played swg for years lol but never again
You need to learn how to read what's actually wrriten.
What was that term lol
Irony
AoC isn't that bad. It's 100 times better than SWG, even this early after launch.
Tecmo Bowl.
That actually makes a lot of sense... since it is WoW that 'destroyed' Star Wars Galaxies.
Why play a half done copy when you can play the real thing ?
I played swg for years lol but never again
Witty reply, but the fact remain that WoW is the very game that destroyed SWG - no way around it. In fact, it's continuing to destroy MMO's to this day.
Talk about "selling your soul to the devil."
Say what you will about the fact that every few months I sub to SWG for the crafting - say I'm a "fanboi" a "NGE supporter" a "idiot from hell" - but YOU play WoW.
I miss the good ol' days when nerds were actually intelligent.
You must be talking about yourself (psychology).
I miss the good ol' days when nerds were actually intelligent.
That actually makes a lot of sense... since it is WoW that 'destroyed' Star Wars Galaxies.
Why play a half done copy when you can play the real thing ?
I played swg for years lol but never again
Witty reply, but the fact remain that WoW is the very game that destroyed SWG - no way around it. In fact, it's continuing to destroy MMO's to this day.
Talk about "selling your soul to the devil."
Say what you will about the fact that every few months I sub to SWG for the crafting - say I'm a "fanboi" a "NGE supporter" a "idiot from hell" - but YOU play WoW.
Yes Blizzard is the "FACT" why SWG is destroyed. It has nothing to do with the years of SOE pushing their products out long before they are release worthy. Nothing to do with ignoring their customers and doing what they think will make them more money, even when they know it will lose them some current subscribers. Nothing to do with breaking trust bonds or just flat out being liars to their customers.
Nope, Blizzard made a finished well made product that works and that must be why SWG was ruined. I know seeing a game that is well thought out and finished must be such a foreign concept coming from SOE land, but lets at least try to give SOE some credit for the results of their actions.
WoW is such a success, because the MMO market was so freaking weak that it was only a matter of time before someone did it.
So in other words, you listen to Britney Spears and think her music is better than, say, The Misfits because she has sold 100 times the albums they have.
And dude, if you think WoW is a good game... damn. We should just end this discussion because we are WAY too different in our opinions of what makes a good MMO.
Also, with all their millions of subs you'd think they would actually spend some of their profit on you fanboys. But no, 4 years and only one expansion. Yeah, thats good business ethics alright.
Thats $15 x 8 million every 30 days. 1 expansion. Yeah, what a great company.
You fund this evil giant and therefore you fund the DESTRUCTION of virtual worlds.
SWG even today is a thousand times better than that pre-school game.
I'd rater play with myself than play WoW.
I miss the good ol' days when nerds were actually intelligent.
Nikoz, stop deflecting. SWG is in the shape it is because of the choices that SOE made. You can yammer on about brittany spears or how WoW doesn't put out enough expansions, but you are just trying to cloud the subject of backing up your comments. Ipods, coca-cola and intel are market dominators so by your logic that must mean they suck too? Quit being obtuse.
I will ask you a direct question, can you please explain how WoW is responsible for the destruction of SWG... please? Don't go off on some wild tangent about Blizzard being evil or some crap like that. Be specific, don't apologize for SOE and detail why you say WoW destroyed SWG.
I will take 2 years between expansions any day over the rubbish that SOE churns out just to meet deadlines regardless of how it affects their game. Quality > Quantity which is something you haven't gotten yet? How are the ZERO expansions for SWG suiting you for the past THREE years?
I'd rater play with myself than play WoW.
That is obvious since you play SWG....
WoW, no pun intented, but you are just a confused kid.
World of Warcraft is 100 times better than SWG. You DO realize that the NGE is a bad rip-off of WoW right? That's why the game was changed.... To look and play like WoW....
WoW runs 1000X smoother, has 1/10th of the issues, has 1000X the populations....
The NGE "Skills" come from WoW. The pet system comes from WoW. The professions come from WoW. WoW UI is a lot better than SWG. WoW doesn't have the major lag issues. The list goes on and on.
I don't like WoW. I only played WoW to see what the hype was about after Pre-CU was taken away. It's a game for kids. Despite all that it is 100X more fun than the NGE. It isn't even close. The quests are a lot better and more diverse and the game doesn't feel so stale and dead.
They both suck, but WoW is a LOT better.
Tecmo Bowl.
That actually makes a lot of sense... since it is WoW that 'destroyed' Star Wars Galaxies.
Why play a half done copy when you can play the real thing ?
I played swg for years lol but never again
Witty reply, but the fact remain that WoW is the very game that destroyed SWG - no way around it. In fact, it's continuing to destroy MMO's to this day.
Talk about "selling your soul to the devil."
Say what you will about the fact that every few months I sub to SWG for the crafting - say I'm a "fanboi" a "NGE supporter" a "idiot from hell" - but YOU play WoW.
lol dude if you are enjoying the game all the power to you...
I am not.
I also never called you anything..
I also dislike wow a lot...
I find the players when your looking for a group to be in wow purple crazy if you don't have the purples you don't get the group. even in the guild I'm in,I never answer a H-group request as i hate being ignored.
See above.
Also, if you don't know how WoW destroyed the better pre-cu game, as well as continuing to destroy virtual worlds - then you have a lot to learn about our genera of computer games.
Somewhat of an example would be how huge corporations have taken over the music industry.
They have taken country music and infused it with catchy, shallow candy-assed pop crap. Because pop $ells.
They don't care about destroying what used to be soulful, wholesome folk music. Now days you see a music video of Shania Twain doing the booty shake to what sounds like R&B music. Thats country music??
They replaced Don Williams (who writes his own music based on his life experience) with 'hollywood' pseudo-rebel Toby Keith (who's songs are written by hired-help and pre-selected by business men).
And I have a problem with that.
WoW is destroying virtual worlds because they dumbed down (WAY down) the core of what an MMO is (or should I say, USED to be). They made a pop-MMO, if you will. They cashed in on all the sheep who don't know any better (same people who buy pop music).
So now all the other evil corporations (SOE, TURBINE, et al), are trying to cash in as well. What do we have now? Things like the NGE and countless WoW clones (with no end in sight).
You can say I should not rag on Blizzard for doing what evil corporations do - and you would have a point.
It's like getting mad at a wild dog when it bites you and infects you with rabies.
But I don't have to like it.
So defend WoW all you want. No matter how you TRY to spin it - you know I'm right. At least, if you're hip to what I'm talking about.
SWG even today is much closer to a REAL open-ended virtual world than your little "WOW" computer game could ever hope to be.
You remember those things called MMORPG's, right?
The only real MMO's today are Vanguard, Darkfall, Fallen Earth and of course the classics like UO.
I miss the good ol' days when nerds were actually intelligent.
While I agree with you that WoW is bad for MMO gaming, I have to question your logic when you PAY to play a game that is an inferior copy of WoW itself.
I mean if you said, "WoW destroyed SWG so that's why I hate it and I don't play SWG any longer" then your argument makes sense...
Problem is you still PAY to play the game that attempted to copy WoW and ditched a complex and rich system in doing so. So by example, you are supporting the impact WoW has because you still subscribe to SWG. So apparently you don't hate WoW THAT much because you still financially contribute to a game that dumed itself down to steal every idea that it employs from WoW.
Ironic-
Tecmo Bowl.
See above.
Also, if you don't know how WoW destroyed the better pre-cu game, as well as continuing to destroy virtual worlds - then you have a lot to learn about our genera of computer games.
Somewhat of an example would be how huge corporations have taken over the music industry.
They have taken country music and infused it with catchy, shallow candy-assed pop crap. Because pop $ells.
They don't care about destroying what used to be soulful, wholesome folk music. Now days you see a music video of Shania Twain doing the booty shake to what sounds like R&B music. Thats country music??
They replaced Don Williams (who writes his own music based on his life experience) with 'hollywood' pseudo-rebel Toby Keith (who's songs are written by hired-help and pre-selected by business men).
And I have a problem with that.
WoW is destroying virtual worlds because they dumbed down (WAY down) the core of what an MMO is (or should I say, USED to be). They made a pop-MMO, if you will. They cashed in on all the sheep who don't know any better (same people who buy pop music).
So now all the other evil corporations (SOE, TURBINE, et al), are trying to cash in as well. What do we have now? Things like the NGE and countless WoW clones (with no end in sight).
You can say I should not rag on Blizzard for doing what evil corporations do - and you would have a point.
It's like getting mad at a wild dog when it bites you and infects you with rabies.
But I don't have to like it.
So defend WoW all you want. No matter how you TRY to spin it - you know I'm right. At least, if you're hip to what I'm talking about.
SWG even today is much closer to a REAL open-ended virtual world than your little "WOW" computer game could ever hope to be.
You remember those things called MMORPG's, right?
The only real MMO's today are Vanguard, Darkfall, Fallen Earth and of course the classics like UO.
First lets not say what a "real" MMO is and what isn't as if your opinions are the be all end all of gaming. It is fine that you have your personal preference of sandbox styled games or whatever, but that doesn't automatically disqualify every other game as being bad, let alone detrimental of the genre. There are plenty of games I don't like, but I can be mature enough to respect them for being solid games for those that enjoy.
Also, what is with the stupid analogies that make no sense at all. Simply pointing at something popular with negative pop culture stigmas doesn't make your views valid. I could say things just as pointless like Star Wars movies hold 5 of the top 25 grossing movies of all times. SW fans are sheep and lucas is the evil empire ruining movies. Blah blah blah, enough misdirecting already. If you don't want to talk about the subject stop posting. Enough about pop music, rabid dogs and hamburgers already.
Now to point. SWG was bleeding subscribers before WoW. It was being revamped long before WoW. SOE was lying to the players long before WoW. The game was a complete mess at launch, the CU, the NGE and beyond. SOE changed design directions every time they sneezed before WoW. The point is that everything that is happening now in SWG was already happening. The mismanagement, the lies, the broken gameplay, everything. WoW didn't ruin SWG, it just accelerated the decline.
WoW took what players were asking for in MMOs and delivered a finished game based on that input.
SOE ignored what players asked for several times, delivered the exact opposite based on who the hell knows what they were thinking and continually failed to deliver anything close to a finished game based on that. Why do you blame anyone other than SOE for the train wreck that is SWG? What else is there to say? Even Smedley admits it.
Just so you know what I mean by "good" game. I am not talking about one you might enjoy, I am talking about a finished well thought out product. Not one that has the players paying money for months/years on end hoping the devs will fix and finish the game so it lives up to its potential. The days of paying money in the hopes of a company getting around to fixing something so that the players MIGHT like it are dead. That is what WoW changed and most people don't realize. The days of paying in the hopes of something fun might eventually happen are over (edit: hopefully!). People who still think like that are really holding back the genre if you really look at it. There is nothing stopping a company from following the basic footsteps of WoW and making tons of money. I'm not talking about cloning WoW/EQ either. It could be a sandbox game, space shooter or whatever your heart desires.
I voted no. I'm not one of these vets you are talking about that discourages people to stay away from the game, but I am a vet. In my opinion, the game is crap for many reasons. All my reasons has been stated many times before, so I won't get into it. Let's put it this way, if the game was that good, it would sell itself. It's Star Wars for Pete's sake. There should be millions of people rushing in to pick up a copy, like Blizzard did with WoW. Most MMORPGers don't read forums, so there is another reason people aren't buying SWG. You should think about what those reasons are.
MMORPG's w/ Max level characters: DAoC, SWG, & WoW
Currently Playing: WAR
Preferred Playstyle: Roleplay/adventurous, in a sandbox game.
So, by your own words, for a game to be good there has to be millions of people buying it? Guess the rules out the majority of MMO's then...
No Obriak, what he is saying is that the game could have been good enough combined with the Star Wars title to reach millions of subscribers if the game was as great as people say it is. Instead the game is suffering from a bleeding population problem for years and has little to no ability to attract new players, because the game is not as good as people here want others to believe.
Does that clear things up for you?
Rabble, rabble! (South Park anyone?)
As for SWG-NGE:
You could take the non-combat entertainment professions out, the sandbox housing system, the integrated PvP/PvE system, the huge non-instanced/zoned planets, the kickass crafting system, the multi-passenger space ships/the deep-space station/space PvP, the harvesting machines, the insane amount of factions, all the Star Wars reference and NPC's, and on and on.... you could take out everything good that remains in this game...
And it would STILL be better than your "WOW!" toy.
Some forum vets just started an official MMORPG.com guild. What game did they choose? VANGUARD (an SOE game). Why? In their own words, "it's the closest thing we could find to a real MMO."
Come on, why should we accept what they are doing to our genera? We may argue and disagree, but what unites us is our love of these virtual worlds. And don't tell me we have no power to effect things. Just look at the history of Star Wars Galaxies.
I miss the good ol' days when nerds were actually intelligent.
Yet again you have not detailed how WOW is responsible for the destruction of SWG and now it seems the entire genre. Still waiting for your explanation.
As is a few forum "vets" making a guild in a game here is the definitive proof of your ideas? Is that really the best evidence you have to offer? Really?
I will again submit, if SWG was such an awesome game then why does only a handful of people play it? If the game were as great as you think it is, then it would sell itself and more people would flock to it. In theory all those things you list sound awesome and are things I would love to play with and some I miss very much, but it is to bad they have never delivered a cohesive experience when all put together. The two most requested items on the official forums from the actual players are server mergers and a return to the old game. What does that tell you?
Sorry, I can't help you. You need a "special educator"
to help you grasp what is clear to the rest of us.
I miss the good ol' days when nerds were actually intelligent.