Sorry, I can't help you. You need a "special educator" to help you grasp what is clear to the rest of us.
When you say "clear to the rest of us" who exactly have you elected yourself to speak on the behalf of? If you can't make a rational statement without talking about pop music, fabricating legions of people that agree with you or stooping to name calling, just don't post anymore.
I think I summed up the entire discussion here if you care to refute it by all means go ahead. Otherwise spare me your shallow attempts at being clever.
WoW took what players were asking for in MMOs and delivered a finished game based on that input.
SOE ignored what players asked for several times, delivered the exact opposite based on who the hell knows what they were thinking and continually failed to deliver anything close to a finished game based on that. Why do you blame anyone other than SOE for the train wreck that is SWG? What else is there to say? Even Smedley admits it.
WoW took what players were asking for in MMOs and delivered a finished game based on that input.
No offence, but you use a lot of what people in debate class call "weasel words."
Also I've stated my case clearly. Sorry it's not what you want to hear. You could debate my points instead of repeatedly saying that my points don't convince you and asking my to make you understand where I'm coming from.
Sorry, but I don't think -based on your numerous comments- that we have very much in common at all and therefore further debate is pointless. I could care less what you think man.
You believe WoW is a good game and that it's what we all wanted out of an MMO. I mean, I half believe you are just joking (?).
I miss the good ol' days when nerds were actually intelligent.
What points have you made? That is the problem. You talk about everything under the sun EXCEPT the specifics of why you think WoW ruined SWG. You seem to think you are making clear points talking about pop music and other non related issues, but nothing you have said backs up your claim. I on the other hand have shown some very specific examples of what SOE did the has adversely affected the game and set the games course.
All I see you doing is trying to blame another company for the failures of SWG, which is clearly the fault of SOE/LA and with a long history of doing it before WoW even launched.
Just to clear one point up, I NEVER said WoW is what we all want in an MMO. You continue to confuse personal game preferences with a well made product. The two are completely different and I never said WoW is what everyone wants to play, I just said it is a better made game than SWG. For example, if SWG-DarknLight, Vanguard and other "sandbox like" games had taken the time to release finished products we wouldn't be blaming WoW for the failure of SWG. Instead we would most likely be talking about how many SWG clones there are, because of how successful those types of games became. See?
Just to clear one point up, I NEVER said WoW is what we all want in an MMO.
Um, dude you did say that. See your own quote above.
Forget SWG. World of Warcraft destroyed many games because it was so successful and every other game company tried to emulate it's success by copying it.
How is that not clear?
World of Warcraft is a shitty, simplistic linear game with the wort community in MMO history. The point is that it is now the "standard" of MMO design and thats a real shame because it single handedly has caused DE-EVOLUTION in the way virtual worlds are now designed.
You claim it's what we all wanted, but man, NO ONE I know wanted games like SWG to be dumbed down to WoW's standard. It's not about how WoW directly destroyed anything. It's very existence and success is what has set the MMO genera back 10 years. You think I'm the only one that sees this very clear truth?
You can say it's popular because it's a great game, and that is where I'd say that pop music is also a most popular form of entertainment - but anyone into music can tell you it's shallow crap designed to appeal to the masses (MOO).
I'm out.
I miss the good ol' days when nerds were actually intelligent.
I will retort with this. Why aren't the supposed other great games more popular? If WoW sucks so bad as you say, then why did it prosper over these other MMO giants? If the other games are so awesome and great, what is holding them back?
Because those other giants all suffer from huge flaws of one nature or the other and most of them several flaws. There was nothing stopping other companies from making their games better. Performance, options, entertainment, variety or whatever. Yet they didn't. No one FORCED any company to clone WoW.. which is just an EQ clone if you cared to look. Care to name a few of these clones that you say are infesting the market? I'm betting you can't, because most of the post WoW launch games have actually been very different from the EQ/WoW formula.
SOE screwed themselves by doing what they did to their own game, because that company has no idea how to make a game in a competitive market. They didn't learn what made WoW such a success and instead they CHOSE to attempt to clone someone else.
Again, I NEVER said WoW is the game everyone wanted, but it does delivery a better PRODUCT than any other game. WoW is not responsible for Smedley and company sitting in a back room hiding their idiotic design choices to screw the game over. They have been experts at that with many years of experience before WoW even launched.
WoW should be the standard of BUSINESS practice in making MMOs. Apply that same principle to any type of MMO and odds are it will be a success. Do the opposite like SOE does and see the results first hand. You don't get that, because you are to busy making excuses for the very people who are ruining the market by trashing their own games.
WoW should be the standard of BUSINESS practice in making MMOs. Apply that same principle to any type of MMO and odds are it will be a success. Do the opposite like SOE does and see the results first hand. You don't get that, because you are to busy making excuses for the very people who are ruining the market by trashing their own games.
This is exactly right. Bash WoW all you want but Blizzard figured out how to do things right. First, they didn't release their game until it was finished. Second, their game just plain worked out of the box. Third, they realize that their current customer base is important and doesn't throw them under the bus in retarded attempts to replace them.
Also, when they see something in their game that is bad for the players they do something about it. The horrible PvP system with rank decay that SOE ripped off for the NGE? Blizzard got rid of it when they realized their players hated it.
Lol this thread is funny, theres like 2 people argueing against everyone else over and over again and not anwering any questions/statements and the only real responses are distractive, personal or historically inaccurate to say the least.
Original SWG = sandbox ... then WoW came = Level + cookie cutter...Mix them together we get the NGE = Lame attempt of WoW.
Thats simply it., the game is a badly done copy.
Some people like the NGE, most dont. Lots of people like WoW and those sort of people (target audience and that is not meant derogatory way just as a marketing point) really should buy that game as it has been designed/created for those sorts of gamers, unless your a star wars fan which is why this topic will not go away and the main reason why people dont 'get' how they can get it so wrong with SWG.
SWG wasnt made for the NGE which is why it fails and the lack of options is frightengly damaging to the IP at the very least.
I just wonder as to how there are going to be any new gamers to swg when the only way of buying it is from there online store and from no where else? The internet is a big place ....
"Obi-Wan Kenobi: We were decieved by a lie; we all were. It appears that SOE is behind everything, including the NGE! After the death of CU, the NGE became their new apprentice."
the game is a HELL of a lot better than what it was November 15th 2005.
And people really need to realize that even this game now....there won't be another like it for a long long time if ever. The market is gonna stay flooded with WoW clones. The same quest bases leveling. The same stupid epic gear. The same end game content (Raids Raids and umm...oh yeah Raids) and just the same old crap over and over again. Granted SWG isn't a completely different/unique game like it was....but at least it still has some diversity that you won't find in any other MMO out there right now.
Yes, the game is a lot better than it was when the NGE arrived. But the problem I find is that it is just not changing fast enough. It feels stagnant - sure the new additions are more than welcome and do add to the experience, but every time I return (and I have done several times now purely for nostalgia) it gets dull very fast as there is nothing new to see. Other games have new landscapes to explore on a regular basis, but SWG feels stuck in a rut. They need more devs, they need more change faster, much faster. [I won't go into how bad the combat system is here].
IWhen the game finally dies it's going to be like putting down a sick family pet. It will break your heart to see them gone, but you knew it was for the best.
Saying the NGE is better now than it was at launch is like saying the pile of dog poop in your yard doesn't smell as bad as it did the day it was "launched". While both statements might be true you're still dealing with crap.
The sad truth, is that people won't even play this game for free, as evidenced by the last "extended" vet trial. Very few people even bothered or wanted to reinstall and have to patch the game for 12 hours or more.
And people really need to realize that even this game now....there won't be another like it for a long long time if ever. The market is gonna stay flooded with WoW clones.
that is a point that is clear, crystal clear, and yet haf the people in this discussion fail to see. When SWG dies, it might equal to the death of broad open sanbox mmorpgs.
Over the years (3.5 years without logging into it) I made my peace with swg because it is the last sandbox mmorpg. That, per se, is enough reason to not bash it based on fanatism and what happened years ago.
And even years ago , even before CU, SWG was not a game for the masses like wow is. Thats was what SOE and many players didn't understood. it was a very complex niche game.
and this comes frm a person that has 400 played days in WOW in as single character ( and i have 5 chars, so it is close to 500 played days); with 3 times rank 14, 3 seasons at +2400 ratting and all raid instances cleared. And what happesn when i'm ow burn out? I take a 1 or 2 month sub in swg, have some casual fun
AOc runs 100 times better? yes. AOC is 100 times better? no, it is not. it is even more linear than wow, runs on a totally compartimented world and apart the graphics and to a point the sound is, currently, bellow wow and many others.
Just let the damn game live for what it still has and means, an open door to a different kind of MMORPG (what opens another discussion, most people bash swg looking at it only from a MMO point of view, SWG was a mmoRPG.)
Originally posted by Dkevlar When SWG dies, it might equal to the death of broad open sanbox mmorpgs.
The NGE was the death of broad, open sandbox mmorpgs. The current version of SWG is a poor WoW clone with player levels, quest driven leveling and cookie-cutter instances.
The sandbox element of SWG DIED in Novemeber of 2005. You guys are just delusional. You are restricted to paths, classes, levels, and instances now.
WoW is BETTER than SWG. It is the real deal. People won't play this game for free, they just gave over 30 days of free play time and nearly all those players are already gone.
Truth be told, Nikoz, Everquest destroyed sandboxes before WoW ever did.
it'll never be as good as pre cu or even cu HOWEVER the game is a HELL of a lot better than what it was November 15th 2005. And people really need to realize that even this game now....there won't be another like it for a long long time if ever. The market is gonna stay flooded with WoW clones. The same quest bases leveling. The same stupid epic gear. The same end game content (Raids Raids and umm...oh yeah Raids) and just the same old crap over and over again. Granted SWG isn't a completely different/unique game like it was....but at least it still has some diversity that you won't find in any other MMO out there right now.
Never? Crusades looks like a likely candidate for a sandbox world to play in.
I usually make it a point to ask other people what they think of a game before I try it. But even if they say things like 'It's crappy!' or 'It sucks!' I will still try it out if it has a free trial. I've been wanting to try this game for a long time, but I haven't been able to because it won't let me for some reason. I think it has something to do with the trial codes. I can't seem to get one. It keeps saying that they are out or something like that. I hope that it fixes in a couple of days because I really want to try this out. I think that if more people played this game, then the people who work on it could probably do more to make it better. Well, that's all for now. Talk to you later
I usually make it a point to ask other people what they think of a game before I try it. But even if they say things like 'It's crappy!' or 'It sucks!' I will still try it out if it has a free trial. I've been wanting to try this game for a long time, but I haven't been able to because it won't let me for some reason. I think it has something to do with the trial codes. I can't seem to get one. It keeps saying that they are out or something like that. I hope that it fixes in a couple of days because I really want to try this out. I think that if more people played this game, then the people who work on it could probably do more to make it better. Well, that's all for now. Talk to you later
Obviously, whatever god you worship loves you and is trying to spare you from the horrible, unfun mess that is Star Wars Galaxies. More people playing SWG won't make it a better game. More money for development won't make the game better. The current core game is what is wrong with the game, and it is the one part of the game the developers refuse to fix. They can slap as much lipstick on SWG as they want, but at the end of the day it will still be a pig.
Unless you are one the folks who have no self control where Star Wars is concerned, I'd suggest you try Tabula Rasa instead. TR's combat system is very similar to SWG's, but it doesn't suck as bad. TR is not a good, or even fun, game, but it is still much better than SWG. If the SWG developers focused on making the current core game as good as it possibly could be, they would have made Tabula Rasa. It still wouldn't be worth playing, even with the star Wars skin, since the core game itself is the fundamental problem with both games.
I usually make it a point to ask other people what they think of a game before I try it. But even if they say things like 'It's crappy!' or 'It sucks!' I will still try it out if it has a free trial. I've been wanting to try this game for a long time, but I haven't been able to because it won't let me for some reason. I think it has something to do with the trial codes. I can't seem to get one. It keeps saying that they are out or something like that. I hope that it fixes in a couple of days because I really want to try this out. I think that if more people played this game, then the people who work on it could probably do more to make it better. Well, that's all for now. Talk to you later
Obviously, whatever god you worship loves you and is trying to spare you from the horrible, unfun mess that is Star Wars Galaxies. More people playing SWG won't make it a better game. More money for development won't make the game better. The current core game is what is wrong with the game, and it is the one part of the game the developers refuse to fix. They can slap as much lipstick on SWG as they want, but at the end of the day it will still be a pig.
Unless you are one the folks who have no self control where Star Wars is concerned, I'd suggest you try Tabula Rasa instead. TR's combat system is very similar to SWG's, but it doesn't suck as bad. TR is not a good, or even fun, game, but it is still much better than SWG. If the SWG developers focused on making the current core game as good as it possibly could be, they would have made Tabula Rasa. It still wouldn't be worth playing, even with the star Wars skin, since the core game itself is the fundamental problem with both games.
Are you kidding? I've played Tabula Rasa, and went straight back to SWG after a week. No PvP to speak of, clunky targeting (worse than SWG if you know how to map your keys right), virtually no way to save your items (you'll run out of footlocker space in no time).
So I started to walk into the water. I won't lie to you boys...I was terrified. But I pressed on, and as I made my way past the breakers, a strange calm came over me. I don't know if it was divine intervention or the kinship of all living things, but I tell you, Jerry, at that moment ... I was a marine biologist.
I usually make it a point to ask other people what they think of a game before I try it. But even if they say things like 'It's crappy!' or 'It sucks!' I will still try it out if it has a free trial. I've been wanting to try this game for a long time, but I haven't been able to because it won't let me for some reason. I think it has something to do with the trial codes. I can't seem to get one. It keeps saying that they are out or something like that. I hope that it fixes in a couple of days because I really want to try this out. I think that if more people played this game, then the people who work on it could probably do more to make it better. Well, that's all for now. Talk to you later
I think the best/easiest way to get into the trial is to head to http://launcher.station.sony.com and download the Launcher from there. Once downloaded and installed, log into your Station account and click the SWG listing to activate the trial and start downloading the game files. Once it's done, you'll be able to log in and get started with the game.
Pre-cu honestly, was a heaping pile of bugs, exploits, and broken beyond any repair, was i pissed when the cu came, yeah, but i came to a realization, i was so used to playing swg pre-cu broken that it felt like that was the normal way swg should be, (it was borked from the start, i dont believe there was anyway to fix that game with its messed up mechanics one thing got half fixed which seemed to make another thing fully broke) after sucking in my gut and getting ovfer my own whiny ass i gave the cu a real go, and its great to be playing swg as a working game, the gameplay is a hell of a lot more fun then the pre-cu broken garbage that was put out.
NGE has JUST as many bugs, it doesn't have ANY of the complexity, and the combat is 1,000 X worse than it was, along with the economy, and the professions.
Nice try, but to you people who claim Pre-CU was a buggy mess, and you required that SOE dumb-down this game so you could enjoy it look at the official boards and follow the VAST LIST OF BUGS that still haunt this game today, 5 YEARS LATER!!!
If the same amount of effort went into fixing the pre-cu game it would have turned out just as good. Instead SOE decided to put the majority of their dev focus on making expansions and revamping the game designed on their marketing strategies instead of their players desires. I'm not saying the combat upgrade was bad, but it did not have anything that could not have been applied directly to the original game which would have resulted in a stronger product.
Saying the original game was beyond repair is false. SOE never game the original game a chance to get fixed. If SOE could have picked one design course and stayed with it for more than one month things would have turned out differently. While people were begging for balance, content and bug fixes what did SOE do? They put decay on PvP which made it all risk and no reward, turned off battlegrounds and added holocrons in an attempt to stem player subscription loss. When they did try to add something it rarely worked and would remain busted for months. Take the warrens for examople, how many times did they cry wolf about that place being fixed? SOE never game the game half the effort it deserved, so it is easy to look back and say it could not be fixed, but that isn't really the truth of the matter.
Guess what, NGE has JUST as many bugs, it doesn't have ANY of the complexity, and the combat is 1,000 X worse than it was, along with the economy, and the professions. Nice try, but to you people who claim Pre-CU was a buggy mess, and you required that SOE dumb-down this game so you could enjoy it look at the official boards and follow the VAST LIST OF BUGS that still haunt this game today, 5 YEARS LATER!!! Just as many bugs today and 1/1000 of the fun.
thats a good point there. Must people always say SOE this, SOE that, but all this CU and NGE and many of the (bad) changes was a result of players whinning on the boards about pre-cu being too complex, about jedi visibility, about fps style of combat etc etc etc.... swg was never and will never be a broad audience MMORPG like wow. IN fact all that tried to go wow route end up bad, let's see if AOC holds itself- what I think will not happen.
Guess what, NGE has JUST as many bugs, it doesn't have ANY of the complexity, and the combat is 1,000 X worse than it was, along with the economy, and the professions. Nice try, but to you people who claim Pre-CU was a buggy mess, and you required that SOE dumb-down this game so you could enjoy it look at the official boards and follow the VAST LIST OF BUGS that still haunt this game today, 5 YEARS LATER!!! Just as many bugs today and 1/1000 of the fun.
thats a good point there. Must people always say SOE this, SOE that, but all this CU and NGE and many of the (bad) changes was a result of players whinning on the boards about pre-cu being too complex, about jedi visibility, about fps style of combat etc etc etc.... swg was never and will never be a broad audience MMORPG like wow. IN fact all that tried to go wow route end up bad, let's see if AOC holds itself- what I think will not happen.
Neither the CU or the NGE were the result of the players whining about anything. Both were done to make the game appeal to mythical group of people who didn't play the game, but would magically appear if the developers could just mangle the game enough. With the NGE, they fully expected to lose almost every account they had at the time it was implemented, but the NGE was going to replace those people with even greater numbers. It turns out they were half right, but the brand new playerbase is still just a fantasy.
It wasn't the players who killed the game, it was the developers and management.
SOE has a long and distinguished history of making bad decisions, nothing new there. But I played SWG and I have one question for anyone in this discussion who liked the game: why?
I mean that seriously. I bought this title on the strength of the franchise and it is IMO hands down the very worst MMORPG I ever played, from any point of view.
Graphics: even cranked (assuming you don't crash out) the visuals are horrible, animation is jerky
Gameplay: obtusely laid out, horrible menu system, too much emphasis on text presented in ugly bubbles, unintuitive controls.
Sound: don't remember much except that the weapon fire sounded pretty bad (in a Star Wars product! How can this be??)
Story: I honestly didn't encounter any
World: sparsely populated. Uncommunicative people. Design seemed to involve a lot of brown color.
I don't mean to trash the game - I honestly hated it but I'm not here to tell people their game sucks. I was trying to understand the point of view of people who actually like what in my own point of view was one of the worst titles I ever encountered. Maybe I missed something...
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Sorry, I can't help you. You need a "special educator"
to help you grasp what is clear to the rest of us.
When you say "clear to the rest of us" who exactly have you elected yourself to speak on the behalf of? If you can't make a rational statement without talking about pop music, fabricating legions of people that agree with you or stooping to name calling, just don't post anymore.
I think I summed up the entire discussion here if you care to refute it by all means go ahead. Otherwise spare me your shallow attempts at being clever.
WoW took what players were asking for in MMOs and delivered a finished game based on that input.
SOE ignored what players asked for several times, delivered the exact opposite based on who the hell knows what they were thinking and continually failed to deliver anything close to a finished game based on that. Why do you blame anyone other than SOE for the train wreck that is SWG? What else is there to say? Even Smedley admits it.
No offence, but you use a lot of what people in debate class call "weasel words."
Also I've stated my case clearly. Sorry it's not what you want to hear. You could debate my points instead of repeatedly saying that my points don't convince you and asking my to make you understand where I'm coming from.
Sorry, but I don't think -based on your numerous comments- that we have very much in common at all and therefore further debate is pointless. I could care less what you think man.
You believe WoW is a good game and that it's what we all wanted out of an MMO. I mean, I half believe you are just joking (?).
I miss the good ol' days when nerds were actually intelligent.
What points have you made? That is the problem. You talk about everything under the sun EXCEPT the specifics of why you think WoW ruined SWG. You seem to think you are making clear points talking about pop music and other non related issues, but nothing you have said backs up your claim. I on the other hand have shown some very specific examples of what SOE did the has adversely affected the game and set the games course.
All I see you doing is trying to blame another company for the failures of SWG, which is clearly the fault of SOE/LA and with a long history of doing it before WoW even launched.
Just to clear one point up, I NEVER said WoW is what we all want in an MMO. You continue to confuse personal game preferences with a well made product. The two are completely different and I never said WoW is what everyone wants to play, I just said it is a better made game than SWG. For example, if SWG-DarknLight, Vanguard and other "sandbox like" games had taken the time to release finished products we wouldn't be blaming WoW for the failure of SWG. Instead we would most likely be talking about how many SWG clones there are, because of how successful those types of games became. See?
Um, dude you did say that. See your own quote above.
Forget SWG. World of Warcraft destroyed many games because it was so successful and every other game company tried to emulate it's success by copying it.
How is that not clear?
World of Warcraft is a shitty, simplistic linear game with the wort community in MMO history. The point is that it is now the "standard" of MMO design and thats a real shame because it single handedly has caused DE-EVOLUTION in the way virtual worlds are now designed.
You claim it's what we all wanted, but man, NO ONE I know wanted games like SWG to be dumbed down to WoW's standard. It's not about how WoW directly destroyed anything. It's very existence and success is what has set the MMO genera back 10 years. You think I'm the only one that sees this very clear truth?
You can say it's popular because it's a great game, and that is where I'd say that pop music is also a most popular form of entertainment - but anyone into music can tell you it's shallow crap designed to appeal to the masses (MOO).
I'm out.
I miss the good ol' days when nerds were actually intelligent.
I will retort with this. Why aren't the supposed other great games more popular? If WoW sucks so bad as you say, then why did it prosper over these other MMO giants? If the other games are so awesome and great, what is holding them back?
Because those other giants all suffer from huge flaws of one nature or the other and most of them several flaws. There was nothing stopping other companies from making their games better. Performance, options, entertainment, variety or whatever. Yet they didn't. No one FORCED any company to clone WoW.. which is just an EQ clone if you cared to look. Care to name a few of these clones that you say are infesting the market? I'm betting you can't, because most of the post WoW launch games have actually been very different from the EQ/WoW formula.
SOE screwed themselves by doing what they did to their own game, because that company has no idea how to make a game in a competitive market. They didn't learn what made WoW such a success and instead they CHOSE to attempt to clone someone else.
Again, I NEVER said WoW is the game everyone wanted, but it does delivery a better PRODUCT than any other game. WoW is not responsible for Smedley and company sitting in a back room hiding their idiotic design choices to screw the game over. They have been experts at that with many years of experience before WoW even launched.
WoW should be the standard of BUSINESS practice in making MMOs. Apply that same principle to any type of MMO and odds are it will be a success. Do the opposite like SOE does and see the results first hand. You don't get that, because you are to busy making excuses for the very people who are ruining the market by trashing their own games.
This is exactly right. Bash WoW all you want but Blizzard figured out how to do things right. First, they didn't release their game until it was finished. Second, their game just plain worked out of the box. Third, they realize that their current customer base is important and doesn't throw them under the bus in retarded attempts to replace them.
Also, when they see something in their game that is bad for the players they do something about it. The horrible PvP system with rank decay that SOE ripped off for the NGE? Blizzard got rid of it when they realized their players hated it.
Lol this thread is funny, theres like 2 people argueing against everyone else over and over again and not anwering any questions/statements
and the only real responses are distractive, personal or historically inaccurate to say the least.
Original SWG = sandbox ... then WoW came = Level + cookie cutter...Mix them together we get the NGE = Lame attempt of WoW.
Thats simply it., the game is a badly done copy.
Some people like the NGE, most dont. Lots of people like WoW and those sort of people (target audience and that is not meant derogatory way just as a marketing point) really should buy that game as it has been designed/created for those sorts of gamers, unless your a star wars fan which is why this topic will not go away and the main reason why people dont 'get' how they can get it so wrong with SWG.
SWG wasnt made for the NGE which is why it fails and the lack of options is frightengly damaging to the IP at the very least.
I just wonder as to how there are going to be any new gamers to swg when the only way of buying it is from there online store and from no where else? The internet is a big place ....
"Obi-Wan Kenobi: We were decieved by a lie; we all were. It appears that SOE is behind everything, including the NGE! After the death of CU, the NGE became their new apprentice."
it'll never be as good as pre cu or even cu
HOWEVER
the game is a HELL of a lot better than what it was November 15th 2005.
And people really need to realize that even this game now....there won't be another like it for a long long time if ever. The market is gonna stay flooded with WoW clones. The same quest bases leveling. The same stupid epic gear. The same end game content (Raids Raids and umm...oh yeah Raids) and just the same old crap over and over again. Granted SWG isn't a completely different/unique game like it was....but at least it still has some diversity that you won't find in any other MMO out there right now.
Yes, the game is a lot better than it was when the NGE arrived. But the problem I find is that it is just not changing fast enough. It feels stagnant - sure the new additions are more than welcome and do add to the experience, but every time I return (and I have done several times now purely for nostalgia) it gets dull very fast as there is nothing new to see. Other games have new landscapes to explore on a regular basis, but SWG feels stuck in a rut. They need more devs, they need more change faster, much faster. [I won't go into how bad the combat system is here].
IWhen the game finally dies it's going to be like putting down a sick family pet. It will break your heart to see them gone, but you knew it was for the best.
Saying the NGE is better now than it was at launch is like saying the pile of dog poop in your yard doesn't smell as bad as it did the day it was "launched". While both statements might be true you're still dealing with crap.
The sad truth, is that people won't even play this game for free, as evidenced by the last "extended" vet trial. Very few people even bothered or wanted to reinstall and have to patch the game for 12 hours or more.
How far SWG has fallen.....
that is a point that is clear, crystal clear, and yet haf the people in this discussion fail to see. When SWG dies, it might equal to the death of broad open sanbox mmorpgs.
Over the years (3.5 years without logging into it) I made my peace with swg because it is the last sandbox mmorpg. That, per se, is enough reason to not bash it based on fanatism and what happened years ago.
And even years ago , even before CU, SWG was not a game for the masses like wow is. Thats was what SOE and many players didn't understood. it was a very complex niche game.
and this comes frm a person that has 400 played days in WOW in as single character ( and i have 5 chars, so it is close to 500 played days); with 3 times rank 14, 3 seasons at +2400 ratting and all raid instances cleared. And what happesn when i'm ow burn out? I take a 1 or 2 month sub in swg, have some casual fun
AOc runs 100 times better? yes. AOC is 100 times better? no, it is not. it is even more linear than wow, runs on a totally compartimented world and apart the graphics and to a point the sound is, currently, bellow wow and many others.
Just let the damn game live for what it still has and means, an open door to a different kind of MMORPG (what opens another discussion, most people bash swg looking at it only from a MMO point of view, SWG was a mmoRPG.)
The NGE was the death of broad, open sandbox mmorpgs. The current version of SWG is a poor WoW clone with player levels, quest driven leveling and cookie-cutter instances.
Nikoz and the other fanbois...
The sandbox element of SWG DIED in Novemeber of 2005. You guys are just delusional. You are restricted to paths, classes, levels, and instances now.
WoW is BETTER than SWG. It is the real deal. People won't play this game for free, they just gave over 30 days of free play time and nearly all those players are already gone.
Truth be told, Nikoz, Everquest destroyed sandboxes before WoW ever did.
Tecmo Bowl.
Never? Crusades looks like a likely candidate for a sandbox world to play in.
http://www.vizualfxstudios.com/crusades/
/cross fingers
I usually make it a point to ask other people what they think of a game before I try it. But even if they say things like 'It's crappy!' or 'It sucks!' I will still try it out if it has a free trial. I've been wanting to try this game for a long time, but I haven't been able to because it won't let me for some reason. I think it has something to do with the trial codes. I can't seem to get one. It keeps saying that they are out or something like that. I hope that it fixes in a couple of days because I really want to try this out. I think that if more people played this game, then the people who work on it could probably do more to make it better. Well, that's all for now. Talk to you later
Obviously, whatever god you worship loves you and is trying to spare you from the horrible, unfun mess that is Star Wars Galaxies. More people playing SWG won't make it a better game. More money for development won't make the game better. The current core game is what is wrong with the game, and it is the one part of the game the developers refuse to fix. They can slap as much lipstick on SWG as they want, but at the end of the day it will still be a pig.
Unless you are one the folks who have no self control where Star Wars is concerned, I'd suggest you try Tabula Rasa instead. TR's combat system is very similar to SWG's, but it doesn't suck as bad. TR is not a good, or even fun, game, but it is still much better than SWG. If the SWG developers focused on making the current core game as good as it possibly could be, they would have made Tabula Rasa. It still wouldn't be worth playing, even with the star Wars skin, since the core game itself is the fundamental problem with both games.
Obviously, whatever god you worship loves you and is trying to spare you from the horrible, unfun mess that is Star Wars Galaxies. More people playing SWG won't make it a better game. More money for development won't make the game better. The current core game is what is wrong with the game, and it is the one part of the game the developers refuse to fix. They can slap as much lipstick on SWG as they want, but at the end of the day it will still be a pig.
Unless you are one the folks who have no self control where Star Wars is concerned, I'd suggest you try Tabula Rasa instead. TR's combat system is very similar to SWG's, but it doesn't suck as bad. TR is not a good, or even fun, game, but it is still much better than SWG. If the SWG developers focused on making the current core game as good as it possibly could be, they would have made Tabula Rasa. It still wouldn't be worth playing, even with the star Wars skin, since the core game itself is the fundamental problem with both games.
Are you kidding? I've played Tabula Rasa, and went straight back to SWG after a week. No PvP to speak of, clunky targeting (worse than SWG if you know how to map your keys right), virtually no way to save your items (you'll run out of footlocker space in no time).
So I started to walk into the water. I won't lie to you boys...I was terrified. But I pressed on, and as I made my way past the breakers, a strange calm came over me. I don't know if it was divine intervention or the kinship of all living things, but I tell you, Jerry, at that moment ... I was a marine biologist.
I think the best/easiest way to get into the trial is to head to http://launcher.station.sony.com and download the Launcher from there. Once downloaded and installed, log into your Station account and click the SWG listing to activate the trial and start downloading the game files. Once it's done, you'll be able to log in and get started with the game.
Pre-cu honestly, was a heaping pile of bugs, exploits, and broken beyond any repair, was i pissed when the cu came, yeah, but i came to a realization, i was so used to playing swg pre-cu broken that it felt like that was the normal way swg should be, (it was borked from the start, i dont believe there was anyway to fix that game with its messed up mechanics one thing got half fixed which seemed to make another thing fully broke) after sucking in my gut and getting ovfer my own whiny ass i gave the cu a real go, and its great to be playing swg as a working game, the gameplay is a hell of a lot more fun then the pre-cu broken garbage that was put out.
playing eq2 and two worlds
Guess what,
NGE has JUST as many bugs, it doesn't have ANY of the complexity, and the combat is 1,000 X worse than it was, along with the economy, and the professions.
Nice try, but to you people who claim Pre-CU was a buggy mess, and you required that SOE dumb-down this game so you could enjoy it look at the official boards and follow the VAST LIST OF BUGS that still haunt this game today, 5 YEARS LATER!!!
Just as many bugs today and 1/1000 of the fun.
Tecmo Bowl.
If the same amount of effort went into fixing the pre-cu game it would have turned out just as good. Instead SOE decided to put the majority of their dev focus on making expansions and revamping the game designed on their marketing strategies instead of their players desires. I'm not saying the combat upgrade was bad, but it did not have anything that could not have been applied directly to the original game which would have resulted in a stronger product.
Saying the original game was beyond repair is false. SOE never game the original game a chance to get fixed. If SOE could have picked one design course and stayed with it for more than one month things would have turned out differently. While people were begging for balance, content and bug fixes what did SOE do? They put decay on PvP which made it all risk and no reward, turned off battlegrounds and added holocrons in an attempt to stem player subscription loss. When they did try to add something it rarely worked and would remain busted for months. Take the warrens for examople, how many times did they cry wolf about that place being fixed? SOE never game the game half the effort it deserved, so it is easy to look back and say it could not be fixed, but that isn't really the truth of the matter.
thats a good point there. Must people always say SOE this, SOE that, but all this CU and NGE and many of the (bad) changes was a result of players whinning on the boards about pre-cu being too complex, about jedi visibility, about fps style of combat etc etc etc.... swg was never and will never be a broad audience MMORPG like wow. IN fact all that tried to go wow route end up bad, let's see if AOC holds itself- what I think will not happen.
thats a good point there. Must people always say SOE this, SOE that, but all this CU and NGE and many of the (bad) changes was a result of players whinning on the boards about pre-cu being too complex, about jedi visibility, about fps style of combat etc etc etc.... swg was never and will never be a broad audience MMORPG like wow. IN fact all that tried to go wow route end up bad, let's see if AOC holds itself- what I think will not happen.
Neither the CU or the NGE were the result of the players whining about anything. Both were done to make the game appeal to mythical group of people who didn't play the game, but would magically appear if the developers could just mangle the game enough. With the NGE, they fully expected to lose almost every account they had at the time it was implemented, but the NGE was going to replace those people with even greater numbers. It turns out they were half right, but the brand new playerbase is still just a fantasy.
It wasn't the players who killed the game, it was the developers and management.
SOE has a long and distinguished history of making bad decisions, nothing new there. But I played SWG and I have one question for anyone in this discussion who liked the game: why?
I mean that seriously. I bought this title on the strength of the franchise and it is IMO hands down the very worst MMORPG I ever played, from any point of view.
Graphics: even cranked (assuming you don't crash out) the visuals are horrible, animation is jerky
Gameplay: obtusely laid out, horrible menu system, too much emphasis on text presented in ugly bubbles, unintuitive controls.
Sound: don't remember much except that the weapon fire sounded pretty bad (in a Star Wars product! How can this be??)
Story: I honestly didn't encounter any
World: sparsely populated. Uncommunicative people. Design seemed to involve a lot of brown color.
I don't mean to trash the game - I honestly hated it but I'm not here to tell people their game sucks. I was trying to understand the point of view of people who actually like what in my own point of view was one of the worst titles I ever encountered. Maybe I missed something...
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JULIE xx