WoW is not ranked number one for two reasons: [*]MMORPG.com is full of angry, disgruntled players who tend to either be elitist/snobby or bitter, and vote against the status quo at every possible opportunity in an attempt to tear down success
The people who are enjoying WoW are either playing the game and not wasting time here slamming it, or are the casual type who do not lurk on MMORPG websites and post their opinions
If you polled every single MMORPG player, otherwise known as taking a census, and asked them what the best MMORPG is, WoW would win. The problem is the sample voting here is not representative of the MMORPG community as a whole. This is a niche community and WoW is not a niche game - it is actually a successful one.
Anyway, always take reviews, opinions, and rankings here with a grain of salt. They mean almost nothing at all.
By the way, I do not currently play WoW but if I were to vote, I would say right now it is the best MMORPG on the market. It is stable, it is full of content, it caters to casual and hardcore players, it has PvE and PvP, and it is polished to a diamond-like brilliance.
But it will still be bashed as the devil of MMORPGs, despite somehow managing to be the most successful MMORPG of all time. Go figure.
Completely wrong. They want to know why WoW isnt ranked #1 here. Its verry easy to figure out. It has nothing to do with being an eliteist, snobby or anything else. People here are dying for something new. Most here are MMO vets who have played the classics and want something similar. They are also tired of seeing games come out that arent trying to improve on the industry but are just trying to copy WoW's sucess and they blame WoW for it.....and rightfully so.
Just because people here dont follow the masses like sheep doesnt make them snobby, disgruntled or eliteists. It makes them there own person. Sorry you cant handle that.
WRONG! no one from Blizzard is putting a gun on ANY of these companies heads and saying "DO IT MORE LIKE WOW!". Face it, the reason why the games YOU want to succeed aren't succeeding is, because they don't have the cojones to try something different and follow their own vision. They're sheep, they're followers, that's why they're not putting out the games you want to play with the game mechanics you want to play.
It's more like the publishers see wow's subscription numbers, and see all those pretty dollar signs. So they force the developers that they are paying, to make the game more like wow so they can make that kind of money. If Eve Online had that kind of subscriber base, and made that kind of money, instead of wow, then every publisher would make the game more like Eve. Developers usually don't get the chance to make the game they want to make. He who controls the check book controls the world.
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Originally posted by Koddo Originally posted by Bane82
Originally posted by xenogias
Originally posted by Sornin
WoW is not ranked number one for two reasons: [*]MMORPG.com is full of angry, disgruntled players who tend to either be elitist/snobby or bitter, and vote against the status quo at every possible opportunity in an attempt to tear down success The people who are enjoying WoW are either playing the game and not wasting time here slamming it, or are the casual type who do not lurk on MMORPG websites and post their opinionsIf you polled every single MMORPG player, otherwise known as taking a census, and asked them what the best MMORPG is, WoW would win. The problem is the sample voting here is not representative of the MMORPG community as a whole. This is a niche community and WoW is not a niche game - it is actually a successful one. Anyway, always take reviews, opinions, and rankings here with a grain of salt. They mean almost nothing at all. By the way, I do not currently play WoW but if I were to vote, I would say right now it is the best MMORPG on the market. It is stable, it is full of content, it caters to casual and hardcore players, it has PvE and PvP, and it is polished to a diamond-like brilliance. But it will still be bashed as the devil of MMORPGs, despite somehow managing to be the most successful MMORPG of all time. Go figure.
Completely wrong. They want to know why WoW isnt ranked #1 here. Its verry easy to figure out. It has nothing to do with being an eliteist, snobby or anything else. People here are dying for something new. Most here are MMO vets who have played the classics and want something similar. They are also tired of seeing games come out that arent trying to improve on the industry but are just trying to copy WoW's sucess and they blame WoW for it.....and rightfully so. Just because people here dont follow the masses like sheep doesnt make them snobby, disgruntled or eliteists. It makes them there own person. Sorry you cant handle that.
WRONG! no one from Blizzard is putting a gun on ANY of these companies heads and saying "DO IT MORE LIKE WOW!". Face it, the reason why the games YOU want to succeed aren't succeeding is, because they don't have the cojones to try something different and follow their own vision. They're sheep, they're followers, that's why they're not putting out the games you want to play with the game mechanics you want to play.
It's more like the publishers see wow's subscription numbers, and see all those pretty dollar signs. So they force the developers that they are paying, to make the game more like wow so they can make that kind of money. If Eve Online had that kind of subscriber base, and made that kind of money, instead of wow, then every publisher would make the game more like Eve. Developers usually don't get the chance to make the game they want to make. He who controls the check book controls the world.
Exactly my point though Koddo, the publishers don't have the cojones, nor the originality anymore, to pursue THEIR OWN vision of their own game, all they see is money. So who is really to blame here? Sorry, but it's not Blizzards fault the other publishers make stupid mistakes, look at SOE with SWG and see how well THAT went. In fact, in the SWG Vet Refuge forums, I've seen that, while some small group over there do blame WoW for some dumb reason, some of the more logical vets there blame SOE for SWG's downfall and not Blizzard. Again, for being a follower, a sheep, instead of standing tall behind their product.
WoW is by no means the best MMORPG out there. Just has the most subs.
But really it doesn't make sense, it's got 10 mill subs, millions more than any other game, and it's ranked at some 20th or so?
there are asian MMOs that make wow look like it has no subs. why aren't they listed?
no one likes games that force you to raid for hours on end, in order to MAYBE get one item... then to do that same dungeon, in the same exact way, another 40-100 times... then rinse/repeat for the next dungeon.
that is the most incredibly boring garbage to ever hit the MMO world.
im not a wow fan boy either but fact is wow is sadly still most completed mmo so far thnks to funcom sigh* Incredibly boring game it may be for a guy that plays it for 2-3 years so you are wrong Damian 7
Noone forces you to farm raiding in wow..in fact you can only play pvp if you like + some heroics and u can get that way lots of good loot especially pvp gear ,..
Originally posted by Vortigon *Insert any example you wish* Quantity (amount of users) Does Not = Quality This applies to all walks of life, all products in the world and all people in the world. That is why WoW isn't ranked number 1. It's not the best game, only the most popular, why are some people having so much trouble understanding that difference? Very confusing.
What is "best" is subjective from person to person, use art as an example, can't stand abstract art, I think it's ridiculous that people will spend MILLIONS of dollars to buy something that looks like a bunch of squares put together by a 4 year old, and yet, I love impressionist art like Monet. So, YOU may think WoW is not the best out there, and yet, I believe that, thanks to a lot of publishers having a lack of vision, a lot of their MMO's including the one you may like, are crap. Are you going to say I'm wrong? or are you going to start calling me a "fanboi"? as one movie actor once pointed out: "The ball's in your park Chuckles"
WoW has a large subscription because of advertising, accessibility, and name brand. It isn't "better" or "worse" than any other mainstream MMO on the market. Everything else is just conjecture and post count, that's it.
"Granted thinking for yourself could be considered a timesink of shorter or longer duration depending on how smart..or how dumb you are."
WoW is by no means the best MMORPG out there. Just has the most subs.
But really it doesn't make sense, it's got 10 mill subs, millions more than any other game, and it's ranked at some 20th or so?
Cause its a commercial game. Britney Spears surely has more fallowers, but is her music really better then that of "The Doors" or I dunno "Metallica"?
Both for music and games this is an interesting question. To most people who care to speak up, WoW and Britney Spears are not the "best" - we give that label to more technically advanced games and music. This is however the opinion of people who feel they personally have a better understanding of what is "good", i.e. us elitists. ;-)
WoW and Britney Spears clearly manage to entertain and activate more people than EQII and Tool, so I'd say one can definitely say they're "better". I'll personally stick with Tool and Metallica, but I'm not going to claim I know "better" than the millions supporting Britney Spears.
This applies to all walks of life, all products in the world and all people in the world. That is why WoW isn't ranked number 1.
It's not the best game, only the most popular, why are some people having so much trouble understanding that difference? Very confusing.
What is "best" is subjective from person to person, use art as an example, can't stand abstract art, I think it's ridiculous that people will spend MILLIONS of dollars to buy something that looks like a bunch of squares put together by a 4 year old, and yet, I love impressionist art like Monet. So, YOU may think WoW is not the best out there, and yet, I believe that, thanks to a lot of publishers having a lack of vision, a lot of their MMO's including the one you may like, are crap. Are you going to say I'm wrong? or are you going to start calling me a "fanboi"? as one movie actor once pointed out: "The ball's in your park Chuckles"
You're now equating taste with a value. If you have the correct tools and knowledge about it, you can actually judge the quality of something without falling into "this sucks FOR ME" terrain. The truth is, we're all going on intuition here, since most of the posters here, including me, concretely know nothing of game design, costs, etc. They think they do, just like you think you know anything about art, and go on a limb and judge based on pure matters of taste, and not on what they should, which is non-superficial knowledge of that which they are judging. You're not wrong per se, but you're blurring the line between opinion and informed judgement. This is where it's at. Unfortunately, professional reviewers and people with an actual idea of what they're saying are scarce, so, ultimately, this is also all we'll get. So, you're both wrong because you're both going for absolute positions; one because popular instantly means it's not good, and the other because good is directly associated with personal experience ("I like it, therefore it must be good"). And there's nothing "right" I'll be able to say about the whole thing either, and not many of us will. So stop with the antagonizing, because you're both standing on the same damn soapbox. WoW isn't ranked number one because the people in this site simply don't want to rank it number one. That's it. There's no authentic debate surrounding it beyond what you two are doing, and that's it. It's not negative at all, after all, not everyone can have deep knowledge about games. Just be conscious of it, and please, don't make "good" a pairing of "I like".
WoW has a large subscription because of advertising, accessibility, and name brand. It isn't "better" or "worse" than any other mainstream MMO on the market. Everything else is just conjecture and post count, that's it.
That name brand that you so quickly dismiss has a long history of releasing high quality games that are fun to play. Something that is very lacking in the MMO genre at the moment. Most of the bigger companies have terrible reputations for making mistake after mistake....
There is a reason WoW not only attracts so many players, but also RETAINS them. I have to say that Blizzard has done many things much better than most of the other MMOs out right now. That goes pretty much across the board. It isn't the best at every single aspect, but it rates very highly in just about every one.
When compared side by side WoW does do most aspects better than the next game. Not every single one, but the majority yes. That is why the game excels and so many others fall short of expectations.
When game companies start caring enough about the games they launch then the market will even out subscriber wise. Until then there is are many reasons one game rules the market.
WoW has a large subscription because of advertising, accessibility, and name brand. It isn't "better" or "worse" than any other mainstream MMO on the market. Everything else is just conjecture and post count, that's it.
That name brand that you so quickly dismiss has a long history of releasing high quality games that are fun to play. Something that is very lacking in the MMO genre at the moment. Most of the bigger companies have terrible reputations for making mistake after mistake....
There is a reason WoW not only attracts so many players, but also RETAINS them. I have to say that Blizzard has done many things much better than most of the other MMOs out right now. That goes pretty much across the board. It isn't the best at every single aspect, but it rates very highly in just about every one.
When compared side by side WoW does do most aspects better than the next game. Not every single one, but the majority yes. That is why the game excels and so many others fall short of expectations.
When game companies start caring enough about the games they launch then the market will even out subscriber wise. Until then there is are many reasons one game rules the market.
LOL Whatever, +1 post count, grats. EVERY aspect of WoW is done better somewhere else. In fact, WoW has never originalized anything. Everything they added to the game was copied from someone else.
Death Penalty - retarded
Graphics - mediocre (at best)
Gameplay - simplistic and mundane (monotonous)
Performance - Good - My point earlier in accessibility, but, at the cost of graphics and gameplay.
Service - same as everyone else
Updates and timelines - Worst in the industry
"Granted thinking for yourself could be considered a timesink of shorter or longer duration depending on how smart..or how dumb you are."
You are partially right Bahamut1. Every aspect of WoW is done better somewhere else in some other game, save maybe service and releasing a product when it is ready [a concept very foreign to those of you in SOE land I know]. True WoW didn't "originalize", as you put it, not very many things.
The same exact thing can be said of every fantasy MMO out right now that I can think of. Even worse some games had chunks of their "originalized" aspects taken out because they were so terribly thought out, such as early EQ2.
But you have a very narrow veiw chose to not see the whole. Pick one aspect of WoW and I'm sure you can find another game that does that one aspect better. Now compare ALL aspects of gameplay, service, quality, etc between those two game and you will see why WoW is dominating the market.
There are plenty of games that do one or two thing really good, but at the same time they do dozens of other things medicore to down right terrible. WoW delivers high marks across the board which is what seperates it from the pack. When other companies step up to the plate with similar grades we will start seeing more people playing a wider selection of games.
Which is better, the company that tries to reinvent the wheel and delivers a pile of shit game or the company that build a game based on what works in MMO and delivers a refined enjoyable experience?
WoW is a quality product. That is the reason for its success.
Quit fooling yourselves saying its only successful because it is simple and unchallenging. If that was the case it would have major competetion already. Must be easier to make a simple and unchallenging game than one that is complex and challenging.
The reason no game has came close to knock it off its throne is because no company has released a game of the same level of quality.
While WoW is not everyones cup of tea I do believe if they cannot acknowledge WoW's a quality product then they're the one who are simple minded. (While they in turn believe they possess superior judgement. I find this hilarious.)
Wow is a very good game. Like it or not it raised the MMORPG bar. It is the game thal all MMOs strive to beat. But many people talk poorly about wow because like anything else even good games become boring to you after you have been playing them for 3 years. So now alot of people are looking for a new game to play.
The reason no game has came close to knock it off its throne is because no company has released a game of the same level of quality.
I would agree if you had said the word "playability "instead of the word "quality":) It isn't quality that makes WoW so successful IMHO- it's because of it's crazy low PC requirements and smooth gameplay on any old regular computer.
No company has knocked WoW off it's throne because no other company has made a game that "millions" could play on a 5 year old PC. All the MMO's that have come out since WoW have gone in the opposite direction for PC requirements- making them higher and higher and higher.
They've also made it impossible to play their games on a STOCK computer bought off the shelf. VG and AoC require several upgraded components to get SMOOTH play with high FPS. Even LoTRO with it's lil gentler requirements needs extra RAM to get smooth play. WoW does not need any upgrades to run it well Heck, I played WoW on a 2002 stock Dell on AOL Dial-up internet and got smooth play -except in SW and IF and BootyBay:)
Game companies keep cranking out games made for gamers with gamer's rigs and those games just can't get "millions' of subscribers because most people don't have the PC's that can run the games well or at all.
The reason no game has came close to knock it off its throne is because no company has released a game of the same level of quality.
I would agree if you had said the word "playability "instead of the word "quality":) It isn't quality that makes WoW so successful IMHO- it's because of it's crazy low PC requirements and smooth gameplay on any old regular computer.
No company has knocked WoW off it's throne because no other company has made a game that "millions" could play on a 5 year old PC. All the MMO's that have come out since WoW have gone in the opposite direction for PC requirements- making them higher and higher and higher.
They've also made it impossible to play their games on a STOCK computer bought off the shelf. VG and AoC require several upgraded components to get SMOOTH play with high FPS. Even LoTRO with it's lil gentler requirements needs extra RAM to get smooth play. WoW does not need any upgrades to run it well Heck, I played WoW on a 2002 stock Dell on AOL Dial-up internet and got smooth play -except in SW and IF and BootyBay:)
Game companies keep cranking out games made for gamers with gamer's rigs and those games just can't get "millions' of subscribers because most people don't have the PC's that can run the games well or at all.
This is something I've been screaming about. Yes, the nice graphics are great, BUT when you make it so that you NEED a current or custom system to play it, you've automatically cut off about 3/4 of the market. Another issue the gaming companies fail to see often times is that Broadband may be common, but it is not the standard for game players. I know plenty of MMO'ers that still have a dial up connection. If you are going to be serious about making an online game, you need to go for max compatibility. There is always the option for upgrades later.
That is one of the reasons WoW is still around... curse you Blizzard and your evil common sense genius!
The reason no game has came close to knock it off its throne is because no company has released a game of the same level of quality.
I would agree if you had said the word "playability "instead of the word "quality":) It isn't quality that makes WoW so successful IMHO- it's because of it's crazy low PC requirements and smooth gameplay on any old regular computer.
No company has knocked WoW off it's throne because no other company has made a game that "millions" could play on a 5 year old PC. All the MMO's that have come out since WoW have gone in the opposite direction for PC requirements- making them higher and higher and higher.
They've also made it impossible to play their games on a STOCK computer bought off the shelf. VG and AoC require several upgraded components to get SMOOTH play with high FPS. Even LoTRO with it's lil gentler requirements needs extra RAM to get smooth play. WoW does not need any upgrades to run it well Heck, I played WoW on a 2002 stock Dell on AOL Dial-up internet and got smooth play -except in SW and IF and BootyBay:)
Game companies keep cranking out games made for gamers with gamer's rigs and those games just can't get "millions' of subscribers because most people don't have the PC's that can run the games well or at all.
I think Age of Conan is posed to sell 1 million copies faster than WoW did or at least close to it. There is a lot of speculation, but it looks like people are leaving in large quantities due to the game not being finished or polished if you will. The game runs just fine for the most part, but the problem people are complaining about is the actual gameplay.
There are plenty of games that can be played on old computers, yet people opt to play WoW instead. There are also plenty of people playing WoW that have computers very capable of playing the high system spec mmos out, yet they don't.
It isn't like 11 million people play WoW, because their computers won't play anything else. There is more to the games success than just being able to load it. It is a combination of many things done right and addressing the things done wrong.
No, you're thinking of FFXI, as most asian MMO's are nothing but grind. Also, I would say that, 100% of all MMO's out there right now have some form of a grind, so what was the point of your incredibly weak argument?
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Completely wrong. They want to know why WoW isnt ranked #1 here. Its verry easy to figure out. It has nothing to do with being an eliteist, snobby or anything else. People here are dying for something new. Most here are MMO vets who have played the classics and want something similar. They are also tired of seeing games come out that arent trying to improve on the industry but are just trying to copy WoW's sucess and they blame WoW for it.....and rightfully so.
Just because people here dont follow the masses like sheep doesnt make them snobby, disgruntled or eliteists. It makes them there own person. Sorry you cant handle that.
WRONG! no one from Blizzard is putting a gun on ANY of these companies heads and saying "DO IT MORE LIKE WOW!". Face it, the reason why the games YOU want to succeed aren't succeeding is, because they don't have the cojones to try something different and follow their own vision. They're sheep, they're followers, that's why they're not putting out the games you want to play with the game mechanics you want to play.
It's more like the publishers see wow's subscription numbers, and see all those pretty dollar signs. So they force the developers that they are paying, to make the game more like wow so they can make that kind of money. If Eve Online had that kind of subscriber base, and made that kind of money, instead of wow, then every publisher would make the game more like Eve. Developers usually don't get the chance to make the game they want to make. He who controls the check book controls the world.
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WoW has too many haters to be on top. "1/10 because it sucks" is their the only argument
Completely wrong. They want to know why WoW isnt ranked #1 here. Its verry easy to figure out. It has nothing to do with being an eliteist, snobby or anything else. People here are dying for something new. Most here are MMO vets who have played the classics and want something similar. They are also tired of seeing games come out that arent trying to improve on the industry but are just trying to copy WoW's sucess and they blame WoW for it.....and rightfully so.
Just because people here dont follow the masses like sheep doesnt make them snobby, disgruntled or eliteists. It makes them there own person. Sorry you cant handle that.
WRONG! no one from Blizzard is putting a gun on ANY of these companies heads and saying "DO IT MORE LIKE WOW!". Face it, the reason why the games YOU want to succeed aren't succeeding is, because they don't have the cojones to try something different and follow their own vision. They're sheep, they're followers, that's why they're not putting out the games you want to play with the game mechanics you want to play.
It's more like the publishers see wow's subscription numbers, and see all those pretty dollar signs. So they force the developers that they are paying, to make the game more like wow so they can make that kind of money. If Eve Online had that kind of subscriber base, and made that kind of money, instead of wow, then every publisher would make the game more like Eve. Developers usually don't get the chance to make the game they want to make. He who controls the check book controls the world.
Exactly my point though Koddo, the publishers don't have the cojones, nor the originality anymore, to pursue THEIR OWN vision of their own game, all they see is money. So who is really to blame here? Sorry, but it's not Blizzards fault the other publishers make stupid mistakes, look at SOE with SWG and see how well THAT went. In fact, in the SWG Vet Refuge forums, I've seen that, while some small group over there do blame WoW for some dumb reason, some of the more logical vets there blame SOE for SWG's downfall and not Blizzard. Again, for being a follower, a sheep, instead of standing tall behind their product.
But really it doesn't make sense, it's got 10 mill subs, millions more than any other game, and it's ranked at some 20th or so?
there are asian MMOs that make wow look like it has no subs. why aren't they listed?
no one likes games that force you to raid for hours on end, in order to MAYBE get one item... then to do that same dungeon, in the same exact way, another 40-100 times... then rinse/repeat for the next dungeon.
that is the most incredibly boring garbage to ever hit the MMO world.
im not a wow fan boy either but fact is wow is sadly still most completed mmo so far thnks to funcom sigh* Incredibly boring game it may be for a guy that plays it for 2-3 years so you are wrong Damian 7
Noone forces you to farm raiding in wow..in fact you can only play pvp if you like + some heroics and u can get that way lots of good loot especially pvp gear ,..
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Quantity (amount of users) Does Not = Quality
This applies to all walks of life, all products in the world and all people in the world. That is why WoW isn't ranked number 1.
It's not the best game, only the most popular, why are some people having so much trouble understanding that difference? Very confusing.
Take the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.
What is "best" is subjective from person to person, use art as an example, can't stand abstract art, I think it's ridiculous that people will spend MILLIONS of dollars to buy something that looks like a bunch of squares put together by a 4 year old, and yet, I love impressionist art like Monet. So, YOU may think WoW is not the best out there, and yet, I believe that, thanks to a lot of publishers having a lack of vision, a lot of their MMO's including the one you may like, are crap. Are you going to say I'm wrong? or are you going to start calling me a "fanboi"? as one movie actor once pointed out: "The ball's in your park Chuckles"
WoW has a large subscription because of advertising, accessibility, and name brand. It isn't "better" or "worse" than any other mainstream MMO on the market. Everything else is just conjecture and post count, that's it.
"Granted thinking for yourself could be considered a timesink of shorter or longer duration depending on how smart..or how dumb you are."
But really it doesn't make sense, it's got 10 mill subs, millions more than any other game, and it's ranked at some 20th or so?
Cause its a commercial game. Britney Spears surely has more fallowers, but is her music really better then that of "The Doors" or I dunno "Metallica"?
Both for music and games this is an interesting question. To most people who care to speak up, WoW and Britney Spears are not the "best" - we give that label to more technically advanced games and music. This is however the opinion of people who feel they personally have a better understanding of what is "good", i.e. us elitists. ;-)
WoW and Britney Spears clearly manage to entertain and activate more people than EQII and Tool, so I'd say one can definitely say they're "better". I'll personally stick with Tool and Metallica, but I'm not going to claim I know "better" than the millions supporting Britney Spears.
What is "best" is subjective from person to person, use art as an example, can't stand abstract art, I think it's ridiculous that people will spend MILLIONS of dollars to buy something that looks like a bunch of squares put together by a 4 year old, and yet, I love impressionist art like Monet. So, YOU may think WoW is not the best out there, and yet, I believe that, thanks to a lot of publishers having a lack of vision, a lot of their MMO's including the one you may like, are crap. Are you going to say I'm wrong? or are you going to start calling me a "fanboi"? as one movie actor once pointed out: "The ball's in your park Chuckles"
You're now equating taste with a value. If you have the correct tools and knowledge about it, you can actually judge the quality of something without falling into "this sucks FOR ME" terrain. The truth is, we're all going on intuition here, since most of the posters here, including me, concretely know nothing of game design, costs, etc. They think they do, just like you think you know anything about art, and go on a limb and judge based on pure matters of taste, and not on what they should, which is non-superficial knowledge of that which they are judging. You're not wrong per se, but you're blurring the line between opinion and informed judgement. This is where it's at. Unfortunately, professional reviewers and people with an actual idea of what they're saying are scarce, so, ultimately, this is also all we'll get. So, you're both wrong because you're both going for absolute positions; one because popular instantly means it's not good, and the other because good is directly associated with personal experience ("I like it, therefore it must be good"). And there's nothing "right" I'll be able to say about the whole thing either, and not many of us will. So stop with the antagonizing, because you're both standing on the same damn soapbox. WoW isn't ranked number one because the people in this site simply don't want to rank it number one. That's it. There's no authentic debate surrounding it beyond what you two are doing, and that's it. It's not negative at all, after all, not everyone can have deep knowledge about games. Just be conscious of it, and please, don't make "good" a pairing of "I like".
That name brand that you so quickly dismiss has a long history of releasing high quality games that are fun to play. Something that is very lacking in the MMO genre at the moment. Most of the bigger companies have terrible reputations for making mistake after mistake....
There is a reason WoW not only attracts so many players, but also RETAINS them. I have to say that Blizzard has done many things much better than most of the other MMOs out right now. That goes pretty much across the board. It isn't the best at every single aspect, but it rates very highly in just about every one.
When compared side by side WoW does do most aspects better than the next game. Not every single one, but the majority yes. That is why the game excels and so many others fall short of expectations.
When game companies start caring enough about the games they launch then the market will even out subscriber wise. Until then there is are many reasons one game rules the market.
That name brand that you so quickly dismiss has a long history of releasing high quality games that are fun to play. Something that is very lacking in the MMO genre at the moment. Most of the bigger companies have terrible reputations for making mistake after mistake....
There is a reason WoW not only attracts so many players, but also RETAINS them. I have to say that Blizzard has done many things much better than most of the other MMOs out right now. That goes pretty much across the board. It isn't the best at every single aspect, but it rates very highly in just about every one.
When compared side by side WoW does do most aspects better than the next game. Not every single one, but the majority yes. That is why the game excels and so many others fall short of expectations.
When game companies start caring enough about the games they launch then the market will even out subscriber wise. Until then there is are many reasons one game rules the market.
LOL Whatever, +1 post count, grats. EVERY aspect of WoW is done better somewhere else. In fact, WoW has never originalized anything. Everything they added to the game was copied from someone else.
Death Penalty - retarded
Graphics - mediocre (at best)
Gameplay - simplistic and mundane (monotonous)
Performance - Good - My point earlier in accessibility, but, at the cost of graphics and gameplay.
Service - same as everyone else
Updates and timelines - Worst in the industry
"Granted thinking for yourself could be considered a timesink of shorter or longer duration depending on how smart..or how dumb you are."
You are partially right Bahamut1. Every aspect of WoW is done better somewhere else in some other game, save maybe service and releasing a product when it is ready [a concept very foreign to those of you in SOE land I know]. True WoW didn't "originalize", as you put it, not very many things.
The same exact thing can be said of every fantasy MMO out right now that I can think of. Even worse some games had chunks of their "originalized" aspects taken out because they were so terribly thought out, such as early EQ2.
But you have a very narrow veiw chose to not see the whole. Pick one aspect of WoW and I'm sure you can find another game that does that one aspect better. Now compare ALL aspects of gameplay, service, quality, etc between those two game and you will see why WoW is dominating the market.
There are plenty of games that do one or two thing really good, but at the same time they do dozens of other things medicore to down right terrible. WoW delivers high marks across the board which is what seperates it from the pack. When other companies step up to the plate with similar grades we will start seeing more people playing a wider selection of games.
Which is better, the company that tries to reinvent the wheel and delivers a pile of shit game or the company that build a game based on what works in MMO and delivers a refined enjoyable experience?
WoW is a quality product. That is the reason for its success.
Quit fooling yourselves saying its only successful because it is simple and unchallenging. If that was the case it would have major competetion already. Must be easier to make a simple and unchallenging game than one that is complex and challenging.
The reason no game has came close to knock it off its throne is because no company has released a game of the same level of quality.
While WoW is not everyones cup of tea I do believe if they cannot acknowledge WoW's a quality product then they're the one who are simple minded. (While they in turn believe they possess superior judgement. I find this hilarious.)
Wow is a very good game. Like it or not it raised the MMORPG bar. It is the game thal all MMOs strive to beat. But many people talk poorly about wow because like anything else even good games become boring to you after you have been playing them for 3 years. So now alot of people are looking for a new game to play.
I would hold off beating the "WoW sucks" drum.
EQ2 has 50K subs. EQ2 couldn't even fill up Badlands on a WoW server.
SoE is like an ant in the MMO industry, NCsoft and Blizzard are 2 giants who have to watch their step or they would crush it.
And learn to spell before you start your crusade against a successful MMO company. "Originalized"?.. Christ.
I would hold off beating the "WoW sucks" drum.
EQ2 has 50K subs. EQ2 couldn't even fill up Badlands on a WoW server.
SoE is like an ant in the MMO industry, NCsoft and Blizzard are 2 giants who have to watch their step or they would crush it.
And learn to spell before you start your crusade against a successful MMO company. "Originalized"?.. Christ.
EQ2 has more subs than LoTRO... FACT.
"Granted thinking for yourself could be considered a timesink of shorter or longer duration depending on how smart..or how dumb you are."
I would hold off beating the "WoW sucks" drum.
EQ2 has 50K subs. EQ2 couldn't even fill up Badlands on a WoW server.
SoE is like an ant in the MMO industry, NCsoft and Blizzard are 2 giants who have to watch their step or they would crush it.
And learn to spell before you start your crusade against a successful MMO company. "Originalized"?.. Christ.
EQ2 has more subs than LoTRO... FACT.
Way to ignore everything posted and try to deflect attention onto LOTRO. Not that many are going to believe your "fact" anyhow.
Move
"Granted thinking for yourself could be considered a timesink of shorter or longer duration depending on how smart..or how dumb you are."
I would agree if you had said the word "playability "instead of the word "quality":) It isn't quality that makes WoW so successful IMHO- it's because of it's crazy low PC requirements and smooth gameplay on any old regular computer.
No company has knocked WoW off it's throne because no other company has made a game that "millions" could play on a 5 year old PC. All the MMO's that have come out since WoW have gone in the opposite direction for PC requirements- making them higher and higher and higher.
They've also made it impossible to play their games on a STOCK computer bought off the shelf. VG and AoC require several upgraded components to get SMOOTH play with high FPS. Even LoTRO with it's lil gentler requirements needs extra RAM to get smooth play. WoW does not need any upgrades to run it well Heck, I played WoW on a 2002 stock Dell on AOL Dial-up internet and got smooth play -except in SW and IF and BootyBay:)
Game companies keep cranking out games made for gamers with gamer's rigs and those games just can't get "millions' of subscribers because most people don't have the PC's that can run the games well or at all.
.. because 11 year olds don't know how to come to this site, register, and vote for a game. However, they can raid end game dungeons in WoW.
Oh, but they do come here and vote...
...and thanks for the stereotype
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Grammar nazi's. This one is for you.
I would agree if you had said the word "playability "instead of the word "quality":) It isn't quality that makes WoW so successful IMHO- it's because of it's crazy low PC requirements and smooth gameplay on any old regular computer.
No company has knocked WoW off it's throne because no other company has made a game that "millions" could play on a 5 year old PC. All the MMO's that have come out since WoW have gone in the opposite direction for PC requirements- making them higher and higher and higher.
They've also made it impossible to play their games on a STOCK computer bought off the shelf. VG and AoC require several upgraded components to get SMOOTH play with high FPS. Even LoTRO with it's lil gentler requirements needs extra RAM to get smooth play. WoW does not need any upgrades to run it well Heck, I played WoW on a 2002 stock Dell on AOL Dial-up internet and got smooth play -except in SW and IF and BootyBay:)
Game companies keep cranking out games made for gamers with gamer's rigs and those games just can't get "millions' of subscribers because most people don't have the PC's that can run the games well or at all.
This is something I've been screaming about. Yes, the nice graphics are great, BUT when you make it so that you NEED a current or custom system to play it, you've automatically cut off about 3/4 of the market. Another issue the gaming companies fail to see often times is that Broadband may be common, but it is not the standard for game players. I know plenty of MMO'ers that still have a dial up connection. If you are going to be serious about making an online game, you need to go for max compatibility. There is always the option for upgrades later.
That is one of the reasons WoW is still around... curse you Blizzard and your evil common sense genius!
I would agree if you had said the word "playability "instead of the word "quality":) It isn't quality that makes WoW so successful IMHO- it's because of it's crazy low PC requirements and smooth gameplay on any old regular computer.
No company has knocked WoW off it's throne because no other company has made a game that "millions" could play on a 5 year old PC. All the MMO's that have come out since WoW have gone in the opposite direction for PC requirements- making them higher and higher and higher.
They've also made it impossible to play their games on a STOCK computer bought off the shelf. VG and AoC require several upgraded components to get SMOOTH play with high FPS. Even LoTRO with it's lil gentler requirements needs extra RAM to get smooth play. WoW does not need any upgrades to run it well Heck, I played WoW on a 2002 stock Dell on AOL Dial-up internet and got smooth play -except in SW and IF and BootyBay:)
Game companies keep cranking out games made for gamers with gamer's rigs and those games just can't get "millions' of subscribers because most people don't have the PC's that can run the games well or at all.
I think Age of Conan is posed to sell 1 million copies faster than WoW did or at least close to it. There is a lot of speculation, but it looks like people are leaving in large quantities due to the game not being finished or polished if you will. The game runs just fine for the most part, but the problem people are complaining about is the actual gameplay.
There are plenty of games that can be played on old computers, yet people opt to play WoW instead. There are also plenty of people playing WoW that have computers very capable of playing the high system spec mmos out, yet they don't.
It isn't like 11 million people play WoW, because their computers won't play anything else. There is more to the games success than just being able to load it. It is a combination of many things done right and addressing the things done wrong.
No, you're thinking of FFXI, as most asian MMO's are nothing but grind. Also, I would say that, 100% of all MMO's out there right now have some form of a grind, so what was the point of your incredibly weak argument?
GW not so; so more like 99,9%