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I actually love EVE Online and do play it. Best PVP ever! But i like sword and spell games too and EVE is all Sci-Fi. great game though
Yes ganking and being ganked or betrayed and gank is so much fun. I think I'll stick to RvR games instead of players get to decide who to like games...I had enough of that in UO ...you couldn't trust anyone in that game unless you knew them in RL.
Exactly, thank you.
Okay, let me try to pin the absurdity of this statement.
You say that Warhammer orcs are a cartoon. Thus, you want the opposite, which would be realistic, right? Realistic orcs? I guess you haven't been outside much if you don't know that orcs are not real. They can be expressed in different ways, though they have a base set of requirements for you to say "Hey! That's an orc!", such as green skin, muscles, lack of intelligence, etc. If anything, Warhammer orcs are what all orcs should look like. Just because they have big jaws doesn't make them cartoony.
Though, seeing as the Warhammer world is full of humor, maybe they're supposed to make you chuckle anyways. I know I'd laugh if I get launched from an Orcapult. However, what are they supposed to look like in an MMO? You want them to look different than the tabletop figures? And still call it Warhammer? Do you realize how stupid that is?
Please, please tell me what your definition of a "realistic orc" is...the WoW variety, which is basically a human with green skin, a bit more muscle, and a hunchback? They try to look mean but once you've seen them more than three times you just think "meh. That's not scary at all."
Hmm what makes you spend time rebating your own imaginary arguments?
Anyway if you like funny orcs, I respect that.
Tell us, all-knowing one, what does a non-funny orc look like?
There is no absurdity in this argument
A fantasy creature can have a cartoony or a life like appearance, it doesnt matter the creature doesnt exist.
See, a Dragon isnt real, but you can have a belivable one or a cartoonie one.
See, this is an exotic flying Dragon, but he is beliveable.
This is not a beliveable Dragon, it is a cartoon...
Orcs in War are cartoonie, funny, almost childish...
Sure it matches the Warhammer lore and miniatures, but your argument is flawed at best.
But as you asked...
A realistic Orc concept for you.
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There is no absurdity in this argument
A fantasy creature can have a cartoony or a life like appearance, it doesnt matter the creature doesnt exist.
See, a Dragon isnt real, but you can have a belivable one or a cartoonie one.
See, this is an exotic flying Dragon, but he is beliveable.
This is not a beliveable Dragon, it is a cartoon...
Orcs in War are cartoonie, funny, almost childish...
Sure it matches the Warhammer lore and miniatures, but your argument is flawed at best.
But as you asked...
A realistic Orc concept for you.
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The concept art you posted is exactly that, concept. Rarely once rendered does anything look like their concept counterparts. Also, that is merely another rendition of what someone "believes" an orc to look like, you know, since know one knows what they actually look like.
EDIT: Here is a concept drawing from Warhammer. Doesn't look too "cartoony" to me.
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You wouldn't understand
I seriously agree with you, it's the reason why I won't play this game
another cartoonish MMOG............crap.
I seriously agree with you, it's the reason why I won't play this game
another cartoonish MMOG............crap.
How does the orc in the above picture - saliva dripping from his teeth as he prepares to hack a dwarf to pieces - look childish?
No, it's just that people are FAR too picky nowadays.
EDIT - And as far as you go Umbral, the many times I bump into you, it's something negative about the game, yet you still claim you are following it and blah blah. Come to think of it, I haven't seen you say one positive thing about the game. I don't know if posting negative things on these forums help better your hate for the game, but whatever the case may be, we don't need it.
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There is no absurdity in this argument
A fantasy creature can have a cartoony or a life like appearance, it doesnt matter the creature doesnt exist.
See, a Dragon isnt real, but you can have a belivable one or a cartoonie one.
See, this is an exotic flying Dragon, but he is beliveable.
This is not a beliveable Dragon, it is a cartoon...
Orcs in War are cartoonie, funny, almost childish...
Sure it matches the Warhammer lore and miniatures, but your argument is flawed at best.
But as you asked...
A realistic Orc concept for you.
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Your points are valid but they really have nothing to do with WAR. If they changed war to reflect a more realistic Modeling style then it would no longer be WAR it would be something else like EQ, AOC, LOTRO etc. WAR in fact if they had gone that route in the game design I would imagine they would have lost the IPA rights.
I'm sure when the game is successful others will come along and try to build another with a realsitic format and a similar RvR enviorment maybe they will go with Dragonlance that might make a good Realistic IP for an MMO.
I seriously agree with you, it's the reason why I won't play this game
another cartoonish MMOG............crap.
Fantasy sells. . .realism does not. If you want to play a realistic game, take your keyboard run it up your sleeve and pretend your running around outside with the WASD keys.
No one will ever be happy. FunCom makes a game like AoC, what happens it doesn't run on anyones computer. Looks real, yep, plays like molasses running in the wintertime. Blizzard makes WoW, plays great on Timmy's TI-83 calculator. . .looks like Saturday morning cartoons.
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You wouldn't understand
Warhammer is known for being dark and gritty. Yet when you look at the gameplay in this mmo, its all pretty colorful. I wish they would of just made it dark and gritty like the series is best known for. Who cares if it has a m rated it will still be fun. They want it like this so they can get more money they dont care about the series.
If millions of dollars worth in funding was used to back your MMO's development, you'd want to reap the benefits as well.
EVERY game company wants more money in this world; they are human, and they have families to support as well.
By giving it a Teen rating, not only do they make more money, but it can fuel the large RVR fights they have planned for this game way better than a more age-restricted group can.
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Tuck2000
My argument was not against War orcs, it was against ascension and his silly argument a fantasy creature cant be realistic.
A War Orc should look cartoony and the way it is now, Im not against this kind of looks.
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Funny last time I flipped on Warhammer the RTS games...they were dark and gritty but there was a whole lot of color and life to the world. Not everything is dead dark adn bleak unless you play chaos. Different Chaos gods like different colors like Purple & Pink & Red. Different mages where different color robes depending on their elemental style like Fire Oranges & Red, Jade & Forest greens, or Blues & Whites. The Skaven that love to play with green ooze tend to be around lots of toxic neon green splats ... i mean how can you say Warhammer shouldn't have these colors??
Last time I looked Warhammer GAMES are full of color...the MMO is no different. Just because you prefer for it go strickly by the comic book or made up imagery in your own head doesn't mean the imagery that Mythic gives us isn't Warhammer. Infact is very much SO warhammer otherwise GW wouldn't approve it.
Comics are more gritty dark and colorless as far as the life around it because comics are limited in scope. Books are stricky by what you see in your own head. Table Top GAmes & the RTS games best show the color life and wild fantasy world that is Warhammer and the MMO is a perfect example of that.
If you don't like it...who honestly cares? I don't...ta ta...go play age of conan. Its gritty dark and boring when it works.
Even the orc in this concept is totally cartoony, just check the facil proportions, he is just more agressive than the ingame orc.
It seems you are confusing cartoony with cute or not agressive...
Orcs in Oblivion, Morrowind, Gothic 3 are not cartoony and have a life like appearance even for a fantasy creature and all the graphical limitations.
Orcs in Warhammer are cartoony from the concept to the ingame renders, it is how Warhammer looks, but lets not fool ourselves and think every orc in every lore inside a game should be cartoony.
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I can't imaigine being to old for toons, and I'm the same age as the OP.
I know exactly what you mean, however, until more of the populous upgrade their computer you are going to see the "less than real-life" games.
Blizzard showed the world how this works. Make a game that runs on virtually every computer that can get on the internet and people will come. Everquest2 went with a more "realistic" approach and people bitched about it running like a slideshow for years. Now we have AoC, very realistic looking, very few people have the computers capable of running it.
If you guys are looking for realistic game experience try LoTRO. That is about as close to "realistic fantasy" as you are going to get.
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Even the orc in this concept is totally cartoony, just check the facil proportions, he is just more agressive than the ingame orc.
It seems you are confusing cartoony with cute or not agressive...
Orcs in Oblivion, Morrowind, Gothic 3 are not cartoony and have a life like appearance even for a fantasy creature and all the graphical limitations.
Orcs in Warhammer are cartoony from the concept to the ingame renders, it is how Warhammer looks, but lets not fool ourselves and think every orc in every lore inside a game should be cartoony.
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Define realistic, or a life like appearance?
Considering Orcs are all fantasy in the first place, who are we to say what looks cartoony? The Orc has no reference point to compare it to in real life, so one Orc is just as believable as the next.
Who knows? That Orc you gave us a picture of earlier looked like a human, and if that's what you mean by realistic, an Orc is an entirely different species of their own, made of fungus... of course they are not going to look how you'd expect them to look.
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I would just like to tell you, as a beta tester and someone who plays it constantly there is NOTHING "colorful"-- that is, such as WOW-- and pansy'ish about it.
God i want to say more so badly, but all the people making comments will be pleasently surprised on how DARK it really is.
While I enjoy both realistic graphics and cartoonish graphics, I feel that cartoonish graphics are immensly superior in an MMO-setting. First off, they are easier to run by lower-end computers which also translates to larger battles for high-end computers. Second, they have better longetivity compared to realistic graphics.
Ask someone to rate WoW's graphics versus a realistic game that came out at the same time, and most everybody will say at today's standards WoW looks better. Because MMO's are supposed to last so long, this is an immense pro towards the cartoon's case.
So at this point, I feel that good cartoonish graphics are preferable to bad realistic graphics that an MMO would require performance wise.
"Ask yourself whether the dream of heaven and greatness should be waiting for us in our graves - or whether it should be ours here and now and on this earth." Ayn Rand
Oblivionate
Really, I think you are the one picking on me.
I didnt say anything against Warhammer here, I like the War visuals.
My argument was against ascension argument that a fantasy creature cant look realistic, and we all know it can.
My hate for the game? Sure the game is not impressive as Aion... just joking;)
I have nothing against Warhammer.
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Oblivionate
Really, I think you are the one picking on me.
I didnt say anything against Warhammer here, I like the War visuals.
My argument was against ascension argument that a fantasy creature cant look realistic, and we all know it can.
My hate for the game? Sure the game is not impressive as Aion... just joking;)
I have nothing against Warhammer.
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You seem to only pop up in the threads with posts saying negative things about Warhammer.
I'm sure you can understand where I'm coming from.
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Just check one of my replies here and you will see examples of a realistic and most important beliveable fantasy creature, you will noticed the Dragon is totally different than most of Dragons concepts but still beliveable.
Really, if you cant see Warhammer orcs are cartoony and there are plenty of fantasy creatures expressed in a realistic view, I think you are just playing blind.
Creatures and landscapes doesnt need to exist to be expressed artistically in a beliveable and "realistic" way.
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Just check one of my replies here and you will see examples of a realistic and most important beliveable fantasy creature, you will noticed the Dragon is totally different than most of Dragons concepts but still beliveable.
Really, if you cant see Warhammer orcs are cartoony and there are plenty of fantasy creatures expressed in a realistic view, I think you are just playing blind.
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So you think that the game isn;tgood enough when its bang on the look and art work from the table top game it takes its lore from?
Wow... can't this thread be closed... This is Warhammer Online, the MMORPG of Warhammer Fantasy Battleby Games Workshop and a game that recently had its 25th birthday
Your say "One orc is just as believable as the next". This is not true. We all have in our mind an archetype of an orc. I'ts not set in stone, as any of use has one and it's different from others and it's not completely finished or defined, so there can be many variations. But everybody would recognize a representation of that archetype as a "believable" orc. But not anything goes. Deviate enough from that idea in our minds and it won't be believable anymore.
With WAR orcs, it's deviated enough for some persons to see it as a creature that's not really what an orc should look like. In my case, I see it more like a cute furry stuffed toy a 3yo girl would take to bed than a scary creature.
Just check one of my replies here and you will see examples of a realistic and most important beliveable fantasy creature, you will noticed the Dragon is totally different than most of Dragons concepts but still beliveable.
Really, if you cant see Warhammer orcs are cartoony and there are plenty of fantasy creatures expressed in a realistic view, I think you are just playing blind.
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So you think that the game isn;tgood enough when its bang on the look and art work from the table top game it takes its lore from?
Wow... can't this thread be closed... This is Warhammer Online, the MMORPG of Warhammer Fantasy Battleby Games Workshop and a game that recently had its 25th birthday
No I think the game is a perfect translation from the table top to the MMO.
Again, the fact Warhammer orcs ARE cartoony, from the original lore to the upcoming game is not equal the art of Warhammer is bad.
Im not against War art, I against the silly comment that a fantasy creature like an orc cant be beliveable.
Why this thread should be close? It is a pertinent discussion.
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