FACT - You have done no research on the game. FACT - You know nothing about marketing.
First of all you do not know me, so assuming you "think i do not know" is just naive. Second, give a talented group of programmers, artist and musicians 20+ million to make an MMO title and they will deliver perfection! Mythic is only trying to get a "bite" of WOW player base in order to make cash, period!
Umm...if musicians and artists made an MMO it would be cancelled because it would be about drugs and sex and killing beyond beleif...mostly gangstar MMOs would come out, and new wave or w/e would just make a BIG painting...so no, they would not make PERFECTION
FACT - War will make millions in a safe game design method with little risk to pull in some cash for profit of a company. Seriously, do you blame them? Look at what happened to AoC trying something different. Now all people do is bash it. The only companies you will see release drastically reformed ideas will be indie companies, and most of them will fail on their journey to stardom. AoC wasn't unsuccessful for the ideas that they had. In fact, many of their ideas turned out really great. People bash AoC because the company running it has been flat out lying about their game for the past 6 months (for the most part that's what people are angry about, at least). I don't blame Mythic for going the safe route. I have no doubt in my mind that this game can become good. But that's about as far as it will get... "good" ("Good" and "Popular" are two different terms that both WoW has and WAR can achieve). A game can't become "great" without adding something new to the table. Sure, it's good for them to go safe in the long run. But bad for us. We need innovative companies or else the gaming industry will not evolve. FACT - Very few game companies will ever have the balls to design a true innovative game NOT based on this safe WoW formula. True innovation is hard to come by, you know it, I know it, and so does everyone else. Then you have the form of innovation in the minds of an idiot. Look at Brad McQuade for example. I'd rather see a game fail for trying something new then a game become successful for not breaking the mold. And I'd be even happier if a game became successful for trying something new. Innovation is everywhere. It's a matter of if you use it and have a make or break chance or go with the safe WoW formula. FACT - Big corporations can care less about you, or innovation, they care about $$$ Fact indeed, you will never change this. Corporations are out for there for your money and they always will be. I think we all realize this, and it's not really a bad thing. Why else would the corporations be doing any of this if it weren't for $$$? It's like asking why do you do your job 10 hours a day? I don't care if they're making money from us, good for them. What matters to me is if they actually use that money to at least somewhat improve the game. It's really all a matter of how far a company shows that they care about the customer and their game as much as they care about the profit.
Yeah, I don't think me and you are too far off the mark on opinions. I know many WoW players on my server who feel the same way as you. There is no doubt there is no currently released game as good as WoW. A fantastic achievement in gaming. You also agree that the PVP is very poorly implemented. Although I think I came off as sort of a PVP nut, I'm not. I love a good PVE session and working with a guild as much as the next guy (my time in EverQuest is still some of the most fun MMO I've ever had). One thing I liked about DAOC was the ability to do both PVE and PVP (RVR). Trials of Atlantis killed the game for many DAOC players, including me, but if that expansion had been better I might STILL be playing that game. So I'm hoping that WAR will improve on DAOC's PVE and have that fantastic RVR that I enjoy. Better graphics and a new engine just adds icing on the cake for me. I also hold to my word I will never play WoW again. I'm one of those people who put entirely too much time into it and its lost all entertainment value for me. My account still exists and I could always go back, but I just won't. It's like quitting smoking for me. You either do it and stop talking about it, or you keep smoking.
Yeah the thing about ToA is very true.
Trials of Atlantis was the nail in the coffin for DAoC. They seen games like EQ, FF11 and thought that forcing grouping for PvE content and dungeons was a good idea.
However where they made the biggest mistake was linking it to the RvR game which was DAoC greatest strong point.
Powerhouse guilds who could get into the ML raids and get all the Artifacts were dominating PvP and leaving the little guys to get massive frustration and the feeling of being not able to compete.
They were right in a way.
So trying to copy another games PvE aspect when they already had the most solid PvP game was a mistake, DAoC would have done superb had they only made the 2 aspects separate or at the very least just made the Arti's/ML's easier for the little guys to complete.
Lesson learned tho I guess because it cost Mythic about 60% of their subs or more.
Anyway WoW's PvP has it's moments it can be enjoyable, however it suffers from HORRIBLE balance issues. With the addition of Arena the classes needed to be MUCH more balanced but instead they seem to have made them worse. Giving the already easy mode classes even more power to dominate the game.
Me for example, I play a mage, hunter and paladin.
It seems though that to dominate arena you need a rogue, druid, warlock, shadow priest, or warrior.
None of which I play or have a desire to play. So arena isn't very fun for me since I get destroyed by the above team combinations.
BG's at least give me some pleasure as they are much more team oriented and a good bg of players can yield really good results if they work as a team.
Still DAoC and soon to be WAR's PvP will murders WoW's I have no doubts about it.
I just don't think it will hold much a candle to WoW's still very dominating PvE content.
Shrugs lol guess we will see tho, I am going to play WAR after release as I said I play them all to give them the honest shot.... Even the horrid AoC.
Someone please shoot me for ever giving funcom my money /cry.
I find it interesting how everything is a "WoW" clone now days. There are lots of posts saying how new games "copy" from WoW. When WoW first came out, I seem to remember things in WoW that were taken from EQ, and DAoC. They were the good things, but still, Blizzard did not totally invent anything new either, they just polished up on some of the things already out there. There were some new things in WoW that added a nice touch. Blizzard has done the safe "copy" some ideas and add a few of their own.
... WoW has one of the hardest end game content's on the planet. Which is why only a handful of the best guild in the world have completed Sunwell to date. ....
I don't think the guy 32 boxing endgame content would call it very hard. Or the people 5 boxing pvp content. Or the people paying 10k for a character on ebay. Time consuming and expensive, but not hard.
I don't think people don't "get it" I think people don't care. You obviously enjoy WoW so you stick with that. On the other hand alot of us want some meaningful PvP/RvR and the majority of us haven't seen that in an MMO for a good while now.
The big thing which WAR does so well to me is they added many of the aspects you expect in end game to the entire stream of events. Major battles which anyone who wants to can jump into are always going on. No looking for groups. Just jump in. That in and of it self was a HUGE difference from WAR for me.
Meh, I dont really want to discuss why people don't get it. I just play what I like
WAR..... WAR is a combination of things, however WAR is not innovative. WAR takes 2 very popular games, one of them a has been and one of them immortal. Mythic is trying to merge these 2 games into 1.
hopefully other mmos will use public quests (altho Ive heard FFXI has something similar)
The Digital Continuum: How WAR will leave its mark
If WAR can provide the things that WoW does without the timesink features and such, I'm in.
WoW has become the World of Wait-craft. It seems as though the things I enjoy doing in WoW require me to wait 20-30 min's to do (AV rounds). 20-30 min's may not be long when compared to old queue times, but IRL... that's really too long to have to wait to do anything while playing a game you pay to play.
This isn't me wanting 'instant grat' because I'm an impatient little kid. It's because I logged in to the game to have fun.... and waiting isn't really fun, imho.
WAR..... WAR is a combination of things, however WAR is not innovative. WAR takes 2 very popular games, one of them a has been and one of them immortal. Mythic is trying to merge these 2 games into 1.
hopefully other mmos will use public quests (altho Ive heard FFXI has something similar)
The Digital Continuum: How WAR will leave its mark
Well about the only mark WAR will leave will be the mark of financial numbers shrinking a few months after the game releases once everyone sees how vanilla the core game really is.
FACT - You have done no research on the game. FACT - You know nothing about marketing.
First of all you do not know me, so assuming you "think i do not know" is just naive. Second, give a talented group of programmers, artist and musicians 20+ million to make an MMO title and they will deliver perfection! Mythic is only trying to get a "bite" of WOW player base in order to make cash, period!
Do I need to know you if you spout out opinion as fact? No I dont. You do know nothing about marketing.
The MMO market just freakin started. Are you going to tell me that there were almost 11 million MMOers before WoW even came around?
The majority I have played with and the majority of people I know in real life STARTED with WoW. By saying the MMO market is starting to realise the lack of innovation is like saying hybrid cars are loosing their appeal. If you think this website or any other forum website is any sort of representation of how people feel about MMO's you are on crack.
I do not know the total number of people registered on this site. But i do know at least 15% of the number of people regiestered are duplacates.
Anything less than say 3million people is such a major minority you can't even consider it for any business to consider catering to.
WAR has as much inovation as WoW had to it. Just enough to make it look better and feel more fun. Nothing like creating a hover car. And again how many subs does it have?
You sound like some person that just wants to be able to live their life in a virtual world. You insist that there is this greater community need for Skill based Non-Level X and Y quest based MMO. Yet do you even realise that even skill based non-level and non x and y quest mmos are still exactly what you dont want?
Any rank of skills is another form of a level. Any so called complex quest can be broken down to x and y. For calling WAR a grind fest MMO is a reason for saying you have done no research.
The majority of WoW will not leave correct, but that does not mean they can not play both. Some may never leave because they love competative arena. Or they just have alot of time invested into the game. Others will enjoy both games. For those that are bord and sick of WoW many will leave WoW for WAR. If they truely hate WAR then they will stop playing. Some will go back to WoW and wait on the next big MMO. Others will contiune to stay away from WoW.
There is no WoW Killer. If WAR does well, all that will happen is WoW will have a bit of competition. And other smaller MMO companies will see that WoW is not the be all end all MMO and might try out their hand at creating an MMO seeing that WAR was succeful.
The dull and boringness of fantasy is your opinion. If you want sci-fi go play an FPS. There are plunty there. If you knew marketing you would know a reason behind little to no sci-fi mmos. The majorty in polls and statistics show that people like fantasy more.
By stating facts as opinions you take the approach of being ego centric and thinking the world revolves around you. But no company cares what you think. They dont care about just one person. They could watch you slit your wrists because you want some special game just for you and nothing will be done. You would be called a dumb mother *****.
What do you expect from an MMO? There will always be grinding, killing x amount of this and a x amount of that, that is an MMO, its a freaking game not reality man...learn to distinguish between the two then maybe you will find what you enjoy...in game and in real life...
Its this mentality that causes the MMO rift of dull and unimaginative genre thats become!
"What do you expect from an MMO" you ask.. Well lets see considering most of these games cost 20+ million to make, i would say i expect ALLOT more than another cookie-cut garbage title thats for sure!
"Its a freaking game not reality man" you say.. Not when money is involved, its no longer a game, it becomes a business that sheep like you follow no matter what they dangle in front of you, why dont you just give them your wallet while your at it?
The MMO industry is at an all time low, and it shows with titles like AoC and WAR, when after 20+ Millions to make a game and all that a company can deliver is another WOW clone and not even have all the classes and cities at launch they advertised says allot for the industry as a whole, that the gamers are willing to pay for beta and the players are willing to take what ever a game company will dish.
Sad are the current days of MMO and worse the mentality the players seem to have with such low expectations!
I haven't played WAR so I'm not gonna say it's a bad game but based on information from the developers website I would say that it is essentially a WoW clone with some slightly different gameplay features.
There is definitely a lack imagination in mmo development. The games industry a supposed to be creative industry but they seem to be severely lacking at the moment.
People are still coming up with innovative idea's for television programmes and movies even though the medium has been around for 80 years. Are developers really saying that they are out of idea's after only 10 years?
Well lets face it the big developers are pumping out formulaic clones with proven mass market appeal.
I can't see any of these games being long remembered as classics of the genre. They sure aren't going to make any top 10 lists in 20 years time.
My hope lies with small developers who are willing to take a risk and produce something ground breaking.
FACT - WAR lacks innovation and creativity, the vast majority of players want something new, not the same fantasy setting killing animals for X amount of times just to advance in levels.
Bovine feces.
Everytime a non-fantasy non-level grinder comes out nobody plays it.
Then why not push the technology? why settle for garbage remakes? Im mean are we so "programmed" to simply accept whats given to us without question? I know im not, but by the looks of it most are!
The problem continues to be you continue to try and speak on behalf of the community. Also, one can not simply push tech in mmos. One of the reasons these games are successful is because of the low system requirements. Look at games that required high tech when they launched like Vanguard and now AoC. They were hurt by it which leads to future developers being weary of pushing tech when they make a game.
Geez here another classic example of WAR community at its best, so once again i shall delve and explain; No one said pushing technology means hardware you silly rabbit; Technology doesnt have to be hardware, its in the manner which software is designed. Too many companys are simply opting to "buy" pre-made MMO engines which share the same core system and they simply dress it up and 'whoala" out comes MMO of X Title which so many of you flock to purchase!
A well written graphics driver is by far much better than the standard cookie-cut API drivers used by most of the game developers that purchase premade MMO engines!
And im by no means talking on behalf of the community, im talking on behalf of those that "understand" what im talking about! which you dont seem to get.
The funny thing is, you are describing higher technology. By optomizing something you are entering into and higher technological MMO engine.
Look at the ATI's new 4970 card. It didnt add more Ram to the GPU it modified the read speed. Thus entering into a new technology. Going from what Nvidia uses GDDR 3 to GDDR 5.
Optimization is just another form of higher technology in the sence of better programing. And does higher technology really make games good? No not at all. The gameplay and feel of the game is what makes a game good.
Example can you tell me that every FPS has the exact same feel to it? Are you going to tell me that Halo plays and feels exact like Counter Strike Source or Call of Duty 4? Can you say UO and Eve have the same feel to the game?
What makes a game has nothing to do with technology. Its all about the presentation, the gameplay and the entire feel of the game. If the game feels fun then the game will be fun, despite what ever magical technological advaces it has made.
Its not a matter of WAR this and WoW that, its a matter of FACT's: FACT - Vast majority of players are tired of the same level based grind fest, kill X and rinse repeat Y amount of times before you may proceed. FACT - The majority of WoW player base WILL NOT leave their fully developed characters just to start another level based grind all over again. FACT - WAR lacks innovation and creativity, the vast majority of players want something new, not the same fantasy setting killing animals for X amount of times just to advance in levels. FACT - The MMO market is starting to realize the lack of innovation and creativity and some of the new upcoming titles are proof, This will make WAR and any other WoW cookie-cut level based clone a short lived shelf life! Im sure all the Warhammer fanbui's will enjoy the game, but to fill your mind with pure fantasies about how WAR is the next WoW killer is not only ridiculous but naive. Although i applaud your "faith" the fact of the matter is, WAR wil not make much of a dent in an already dull and boaring genre that the fantasy MMO has become!
Old post, I know, but has anyone ever taught you the difference between "Fact" and "Opinion"? The point being made here is that you have no idea what this game will do until we see some hard evidence. Fanboi or not, you're just as bad preaching your "FACTS". At least the people excited about WAR have a direction to point their zealotry.
In even shorter syntax, stfu. No one cares about your "OPINION".
I'm not to ashamed to admit that if WAR is 90% WoW and 10% innovation, I'll be happy as sin. I'm tired of WoW because the world is no longer fresh and after a numerous alts I just don't want to play through again. I'm also sick of the end game grind.
If I can enjoy WAR the way I enjoyed WoW and have fun for the next six+ months playing a few alts through the level progression, I'll be satisfied. Anything beyond that will be gravy.
I'd welcome a good, content rich MMO that is very different than WoW, but honestly I also wouldn't mind a fun, content rich "WoW clone" either.
If you don't want to play it don't, coming to a forum to just troll about how bad you think a game is, well that just doing a naked cart wheel on the beach sceaming look at me, look at me
I look at it this way... what is new with warhammer? Public Quests: This system may seem nice but very much flawed! No Craft Grind: Ha so adding the option of failing to make an item doesn’t = grind? Capturable Cities: This is the same thing as end game raiding for wow. A few casual people may make a small impact but only the hardcore people will really be making a difference! Other than having a really cool guild interface warhammer really isn’t that different from wow, lotro etc.. So why is everybody making this game out to be sooo bloody awesome? So warhammer might be a good mmo but its not adding a whole lot that hasent been done before.
Please inform me how the PQ system is 'flawed'
Capital Cities are so much more than a WoW raid. I think you ought to do some research before spewing out a heaping load of shit.
And lol...I don't care about an innovative guild interface. I'm more concerned with the heraldry and standards. Those will actually be affecting gameplay.
Its simple. The way the PQ's work is the top 10 people or top something "not 100% sure" in the fight get put into a random pool for loot "if you dont rank high enough the game will tell you" So if your a healing class or a lvl or two lower than everybody else.. you almost never get into the top 10. So you just wasted how every long it took you to get past the phases. Most people will get into a group of 5 or 6 and keep at a pq quest for an hour or two and not leave untill they get maxed influance so people who are lower lvl have to wait untill the big groups are gone.
Im not saying the PQ system isnt a good idea but it needs some work "So thats why i said it was flawed"
Second i said that capital cities are like raiding in wow.. becuase a casual player who plays maybe 5 - 7 hours a week will not make a huge impact on city captures..
So before telling me im just spewing out a healing load of shit.. you might wanna ask if im in beta.. and o wait i am so i know how shit works.
Its not a matter of WAR this and WoW that, its a matter of FACT's: FACT - Vast majority of players are tired of the same level based grind fest, kill X and rinse repeat Y amount of times before you may proceed. FACT - The majority of WoW player base WILL NOT leave their fully developed characters just to start another level based grind all over again. FACT - WAR lacks innovation and creativity, the vast majority of players want something new, not the same fantasy setting killing animals for X amount of times just to advance in levels. FACT - The MMO market is starting to realize the lack of innovation and creativity and some of the new upcoming titles are proof, This will make WAR and any other WoW cookie-cut level based clone a short lived shelf life! Im sure all the Warhammer fanbui's will enjoy the game, but to fill your mind with pure fantasies about how WAR is the next WoW killer is not only ridiculous but naive. Although i applaud your "faith" the fact of the matter is, WAR wil not make much of a dent in an already dull and boaring genre that the fantasy MMO has become!
By saying the word FACT doesn't make you smarter or anything. And if all of this is true then you should really consider a different genre to play cause you are in the wrong one.
BTW another thing:"The MMO market is starting to realize the lack of innovation and creativity " .
Have you seen fps games latetly? plz tell me what is so innovative and creative about playing fps games. I mean Medal of honor has always been about world war. But the funny fact is medal of honor has been around LONGER then the world war actually was. I mean if you gonna bitch about lack of creativity and innovation plz stop playing games cause it aint gonna change.
FACT - Vast majority of players are tired of the same level based grind fest, kill X and rinse repeat Y amount of times before you may proceed. FACT - The majority of WoW player base WILL NOT leave their fully developed characters just to start another level based grind all over again. FACT - WAR lacks innovation and creativity, the vast majority of players want something new, not the same fantasy setting killing animals for X amount of times just to advance in levels. FACT - The MMO market is starting to realize the lack of innovation and creativity and some of the new upcoming titles are proof, This will make WAR and any other WoW cookie-cut level based clone a short lived shelf life!
Nothing listed there is factual at all, its strictly biased personal opinion.
Get real.
Rock a FailCom avatar now and express your disgust with pride!
FACT - The majority of WoW player base WILL NOT leave their fully developed characters just to start another level based grind all over again. FACT: WotLK will make your current gear OBSOLETE anyway.
You'll only get to keep your current 70 levels and then have to level 10 levels with the same game mechanics. I prefer something different after 4 years.
"FACT - The majority of WoW player base WILL NOT leave their fully developed characters just to start another level based grind all over again."
how is this a "fact"? we been playing WOW for years and personally I am tired of the game, the problem is no good MMO's have came out since WOW. I know a million people who will leave WOW if WAR lives up to the hype or is just as good, me being one of them. i don't know where all your hate is coming from. we all want an "UPDATED" version of WOW, WAR might just be it.
Forget an updated version of WoW, I just want something with as much freedom of SWG had, war is not an updated version of WoW; the only thing it does right is allowing people to jump right into an event without looking for a group.
I have to say, I really thought WOW was beta when it first came out. I quit after the first month, and didn't get back into it until just before Burning Crusade came out. I'm currently a WOW-addict with 2 70's and a number of lower level characters.
Here comes WAR, a game I'm excited for, even though it has flaws that make the developers look lazy. I'm sorry, the character animators should all be fired, they walk like constipated rednecks.
Still, WAR looks like it's going to be fun, and I can set aside the flaws because I did the same for WOW. After over 2 years in Azeroth, I'm ready for Warhammer.
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First of all you do not know me, so assuming you "think i do not know" is just naive. Second, give a talented group of programmers, artist and musicians 20+ million to make an MMO title and they will deliver perfection! Mythic is only trying to get a "bite" of WOW player base in order to make cash, period!
Umm...if musicians and artists made an MMO it would be cancelled because it would be about drugs and sex and killing beyond beleif...mostly gangstar MMOs would come out, and new wave or w/e would just make a BIG painting...so no, they would not make PERFECTION
Yeah the thing about ToA is very true.
Trials of Atlantis was the nail in the coffin for DAoC. They seen games like EQ, FF11 and thought that forcing grouping for PvE content and dungeons was a good idea.
However where they made the biggest mistake was linking it to the RvR game which was DAoC greatest strong point.
Powerhouse guilds who could get into the ML raids and get all the Artifacts were dominating PvP and leaving the little guys to get massive frustration and the feeling of being not able to compete.
They were right in a way.
So trying to copy another games PvE aspect when they already had the most solid PvP game was a mistake, DAoC would have done superb had they only made the 2 aspects separate or at the very least just made the Arti's/ML's easier for the little guys to complete.
Lesson learned tho I guess because it cost Mythic about 60% of their subs or more.
Anyway WoW's PvP has it's moments it can be enjoyable, however it suffers from HORRIBLE balance issues. With the addition of Arena the classes needed to be MUCH more balanced but instead they seem to have made them worse. Giving the already easy mode classes even more power to dominate the game.
Me for example, I play a mage, hunter and paladin.
It seems though that to dominate arena you need a rogue, druid, warlock, shadow priest, or warrior.
None of which I play or have a desire to play. So arena isn't very fun for me since I get destroyed by the above team combinations.
BG's at least give me some pleasure as they are much more team oriented and a good bg of players can yield really good results if they work as a team.
Still DAoC and soon to be WAR's PvP will murders WoW's I have no doubts about it.
I just don't think it will hold much a candle to WoW's still very dominating PvE content.
Shrugs lol guess we will see tho, I am going to play WAR after release as I said I play them all to give them the honest shot.... Even the horrid AoC.
Someone please shoot me for ever giving funcom my money /cry.
I find it interesting how everything is a "WoW" clone now days. There are lots of posts saying how new games "copy" from WoW. When WoW first came out, I seem to remember things in WoW that were taken from EQ, and DAoC. They were the good things, but still, Blizzard did not totally invent anything new either, they just polished up on some of the things already out there. There were some new things in WoW that added a nice touch. Blizzard has done the safe "copy" some ideas and add a few of their own.
I don't think the guy 32 boxing endgame content would call it very hard. Or the people 5 boxing pvp content. Or the people paying 10k for a character on ebay.
Time consuming and expensive, but not hard.
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I don't think people don't "get it" I think people don't care. You obviously enjoy WoW so you stick with that. On the other hand alot of us want some meaningful PvP/RvR and the majority of us haven't seen that in an MMO for a good while now.
The big thing which WAR does so well to me is they added many of the aspects you expect in end game to the entire stream of events. Major battles which anyone who wants to can jump into are always going on. No looking for groups. Just jump in. That in and of it self was a HUGE difference from WAR for me.
Meh, I dont really want to discuss why people don't get it. I just play what I like
hopefully other mmos will use public quests (altho Ive heard FFXI has something similar)
The Digital Continuum: How WAR will leave its mark
www.massively.com/photos/the-digital-continuum-how-war-will-leave-its-mark/735863/
EQ2 fan sites
If WAR can provide the things that WoW does without the timesink features and such, I'm in.
WoW has become the World of Wait-craft. It seems as though the things I enjoy doing in WoW require me to wait 20-30 min's to do (AV rounds). 20-30 min's may not be long when compared to old queue times, but IRL... that's really too long to have to wait to do anything while playing a game you pay to play.
This isn't me wanting 'instant grat' because I'm an impatient little kid. It's because I logged in to the game to have fun.... and waiting isn't really fun, imho.
hopefully other mmos will use public quests (altho Ive heard FFXI has something similar)
The Digital Continuum: How WAR will leave its mark
www.massively.com/photos/the-digital-continuum-how-war-will-leave-its-mark/735863/
Well about the only mark WAR will leave will be the mark of financial numbers shrinking a few months after the game releases once everyone sees how vanilla the core game really is.
First of all you do not know me, so assuming you "think i do not know" is just naive. Second, give a talented group of programmers, artist and musicians 20+ million to make an MMO title and they will deliver perfection! Mythic is only trying to get a "bite" of WOW player base in order to make cash, period!
Do I need to know you if you spout out opinion as fact? No I dont. You do know nothing about marketing.
The MMO market just freakin started. Are you going to tell me that there were almost 11 million MMOers before WoW even came around?
The majority I have played with and the majority of people I know in real life STARTED with WoW. By saying the MMO market is starting to realise the lack of innovation is like saying hybrid cars are loosing their appeal. If you think this website or any other forum website is any sort of representation of how people feel about MMO's you are on crack.
I do not know the total number of people registered on this site. But i do know at least 15% of the number of people regiestered are duplacates.
Anything less than say 3million people is such a major minority you can't even consider it for any business to consider catering to.
WAR has as much inovation as WoW had to it. Just enough to make it look better and feel more fun. Nothing like creating a hover car. And again how many subs does it have?
You sound like some person that just wants to be able to live their life in a virtual world. You insist that there is this greater community need for Skill based Non-Level X and Y quest based MMO. Yet do you even realise that even skill based non-level and non x and y quest mmos are still exactly what you dont want?
Any rank of skills is another form of a level. Any so called complex quest can be broken down to x and y. For calling WAR a grind fest MMO is a reason for saying you have done no research.
The majority of WoW will not leave correct, but that does not mean they can not play both. Some may never leave because they love competative arena. Or they just have alot of time invested into the game. Others will enjoy both games. For those that are bord and sick of WoW many will leave WoW for WAR. If they truely hate WAR then they will stop playing. Some will go back to WoW and wait on the next big MMO. Others will contiune to stay away from WoW.
There is no WoW Killer. If WAR does well, all that will happen is WoW will have a bit of competition. And other smaller MMO companies will see that WoW is not the be all end all MMO and might try out their hand at creating an MMO seeing that WAR was succeful.
The dull and boringness of fantasy is your opinion. If you want sci-fi go play an FPS. There are plunty there. If you knew marketing you would know a reason behind little to no sci-fi mmos. The majorty in polls and statistics show that people like fantasy more.
By stating facts as opinions you take the approach of being ego centric and thinking the world revolves around you. But no company cares what you think. They dont care about just one person. They could watch you slit your wrists because you want some special game just for you and nothing will be done. You would be called a dumb mother *****.
Its this mentality that causes the MMO rift of dull and unimaginative genre thats become!
"What do you expect from an MMO" you ask.. Well lets see considering most of these games cost 20+ million to make, i would say i expect ALLOT more than another cookie-cut garbage title thats for sure!
"Its a freaking game not reality man" you say.. Not when money is involved, its no longer a game, it becomes a business that sheep like you follow no matter what they dangle in front of you, why dont you just give them your wallet while your at it?
The MMO industry is at an all time low, and it shows with titles like AoC and WAR, when after 20+ Millions to make a game and all that a company can deliver is another WOW clone and not even have all the classes and cities at launch they advertised says allot for the industry as a whole, that the gamers are willing to pay for beta and the players are willing to take what ever a game company will dish.
Sad are the current days of MMO and worse the mentality the players seem to have with such low expectations!
I haven't played WAR so I'm not gonna say it's a bad game but based on information from the developers website I would say that it is essentially a WoW clone with some slightly different gameplay features.
There is definitely a lack imagination in mmo development. The games industry a supposed to be creative industry but they seem to be severely lacking at the moment.
People are still coming up with innovative idea's for television programmes and movies even though the medium has been around for 80 years. Are developers really saying that they are out of idea's after only 10 years?
Well lets face it the big developers are pumping out formulaic clones with proven mass market appeal.
I can't see any of these games being long remembered as classics of the genre. They sure aren't going to make any top 10 lists in 20 years time.
My hope lies with small developers who are willing to take a risk and produce something ground breaking.
Bovine feces.
Everytime a non-fantasy non-level grinder comes out nobody plays it.
The problem continues to be you continue to try and speak on behalf of the community. Also, one can not simply push tech in mmos. One of the reasons these games are successful is because of the low system requirements. Look at games that required high tech when they launched like Vanguard and now AoC. They were hurt by it which leads to future developers being weary of pushing tech when they make a game.
Geez here another classic example of WAR community at its best, so once again i shall delve and explain; No one said pushing technology means hardware you silly rabbit; Technology doesnt have to be hardware, its in the manner which software is designed. Too many companys are simply opting to "buy" pre-made MMO engines which share the same core system and they simply dress it up and 'whoala" out comes MMO of X Title which so many of you flock to purchase!
A well written graphics driver is by far much better than the standard cookie-cut API drivers used by most of the game developers that purchase premade MMO engines!
And im by no means talking on behalf of the community, im talking on behalf of those that "understand" what im talking about! which you dont seem to get.
The funny thing is, you are describing higher technology. By optomizing something you are entering into and higher technological MMO engine.
Look at the ATI's new 4970 card. It didnt add more Ram to the GPU it modified the read speed. Thus entering into a new technology. Going from what Nvidia uses GDDR 3 to GDDR 5.
Optimization is just another form of higher technology in the sence of better programing. And does higher technology really make games good? No not at all. The gameplay and feel of the game is what makes a game good.
Example can you tell me that every FPS has the exact same feel to it? Are you going to tell me that Halo plays and feels exact like Counter Strike Source or Call of Duty 4? Can you say UO and Eve have the same feel to the game?
What makes a game has nothing to do with technology. Its all about the presentation, the gameplay and the entire feel of the game. If the game feels fun then the game will be fun, despite what ever magical technological advaces it has made.
Old post, I know, but has anyone ever taught you the difference between "Fact" and "Opinion"? The point being made here is that you have no idea what this game will do until we see some hard evidence. Fanboi or not, you're just as bad preaching your "FACTS". At least the people excited about WAR have a direction to point their zealotry.
In even shorter syntax, stfu. No one cares about your "OPINION".
I'm not to ashamed to admit that if WAR is 90% WoW and 10% innovation, I'll be happy as sin. I'm tired of WoW because the world is no longer fresh and after a numerous alts I just don't want to play through again. I'm also sick of the end game grind.
If I can enjoy WAR the way I enjoyed WoW and have fun for the next six+ months playing a few alts through the level progression, I'll be satisfied. Anything beyond that will be gravy.
I'd welcome a good, content rich MMO that is very different than WoW, but honestly I also wouldn't mind a fun, content rich "WoW clone" either.
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FEED THE TROLLS!
If you don't want to play it don't, coming to a forum to just troll about how bad you think a game is, well that just doing a naked cart wheel on the beach sceaming look at me, look at me
Please inform me how the PQ system is 'flawed'
Capital Cities are so much more than a WoW raid. I think you ought to do some research before spewing out a heaping load of shit.
And lol...I don't care about an innovative guild interface. I'm more concerned with the heraldry and standards. Those will actually be affecting gameplay.
Its simple. The way the PQ's work is the top 10 people or top something "not 100% sure" in the fight get put into a random pool for loot "if you dont rank high enough the game will tell you" So if your a healing class or a lvl or two lower than everybody else.. you almost never get into the top 10. So you just wasted how every long it took you to get past the phases. Most people will get into a group of 5 or 6 and keep at a pq quest for an hour or two and not leave untill they get maxed influance so people who are lower lvl have to wait untill the big groups are gone.
Im not saying the PQ system isnt a good idea but it needs some work "So thats why i said it was flawed"
Second i said that capital cities are like raiding in wow.. becuase a casual player who plays maybe 5 - 7 hours a week will not make a huge impact on city captures..
So before telling me im just spewing out a healing load of shit.. you might wanna ask if im in beta.. and o wait i am so i know how shit works.
By saying the word FACT doesn't make you smarter or anything. And if all of this is true then you should really consider a different genre to play cause you are in the wrong one.
BTW another thing:"The MMO market is starting to realize the lack of innovation and creativity " .
Have you seen fps games latetly? plz tell me what is so innovative and creative about playing fps games. I mean Medal of honor has always been about world war. But the funny fact is medal of honor has been around LONGER then the world war actually was. I mean if you gonna bitch about lack of creativity and innovation plz stop playing games cause it aint gonna change.
Nothing listed there is factual at all, its strictly biased personal opinion.
Get real.
Rock a FailCom avatar now and express your disgust with pride!
The truth hurts...
Funcom RX
You'll only get to keep your current 70 levels and then have to level 10 levels with the same game mechanics. I prefer something different after 4 years.
What WAR is and is not will start to become clear after the NDA is lifted tomorrow.Whether some are open to hear it......you can decide.
"FACT - The majority of WoW player base WILL NOT leave their fully developed characters just to start another level based grind all over again."
how is this a "fact"? we been playing WOW for years and personally I am tired of the game, the problem is no good MMO's have came out since WOW. I know a million people who will leave WOW if WAR lives up to the hype or is just as good, me being one of them. i don't know where all your hate is coming from. we all want an "UPDATED" version of WOW, WAR might just be it.
Forget an updated version of WoW, I just want something with as much freedom of SWG had, war is not an updated version of WoW; the only thing it does right is allowing people to jump right into an event without looking for a group.
I have to say, I really thought WOW was beta when it first came out. I quit after the first month, and didn't get back into it until just before Burning Crusade came out. I'm currently a WOW-addict with 2 70's and a number of lower level characters.
Here comes WAR, a game I'm excited for, even though it has flaws that make the developers look lazy. I'm sorry, the character animators should all be fired, they walk like constipated rednecks.
Still, WAR looks like it's going to be fun, and I can set aside the flaws because I did the same for WOW. After over 2 years in Azeroth, I'm ready for Warhammer.