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I think WoW is dead, the PVE is too easy and WAR is a better game :)
Greyhooff
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Let's face it, ALL pve and raid WOTLK content was beaten by the best guild 2 days after release, and most of the top 50-100 guilds have now cleared all of it also. It will take 1 more week for most of the good raiding guilds to complete all of it - including malygos, full naxx 25 etc
Then everyone and their granny who has never played a computer game will be able to kill Kelthuzad and Malygos. Sad but true, WoW is just dumb now.
WoW has been dumbed down so that anyone with a keyboard can complete it and get their epics. It's boring to know everyone has full epics and there's no variety, no sense of achievement.
There's simply no point to WoW any more. It's not fun, and it's too easy. It's pointless.
WAR may not be as polished, but it is more fun. I play with a good top-end guild, we are killing bosses in Lost Vale that are harder than any boss in WOTLK (order doesn't have repel)
And the mass PVP with zone control throughout the actual game map (rather than some instances lake BG aka AV2) is more fun than crappy arena duels and the same BGs again and again.
I see a lot of people who have now completed WoW/WOTLK looking around saying "is that all there is?"
I'm happy playing WAR 
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WAR is just shit, it isn't in the same league with WoW, LOTRO, EVE or hell, not even L2. It's just a pathetic WoW clone.
The lake might as well be instances, the other zones are questing areas, lake is just a PVP area, it's a BG, nothing more
I've seen all the bosses in WOTLK, all of the good guilds have already cleared all the content, now the 2nd tier guilds are clearing it also
Next week the mouth-breathers and casual raiders will clear it all also. Epics for everyone who can faceroll through easymode PVE made for kids
Oh and if you don't need me in WoW that's fine. I used to be a hardcore raider who loved WoW PVE. Now I think it's easymode garbage made for kids
I see you decided to ignore my comments, 1 guild has completed the content as they played it beta for 6months, no other guild has, there will be some guild running 10man naxx maybe even 25man but thats it. Again you have not played wrath so your not educated enough to comment. I have played WAR and what a dissapointment that was in all areas.
It's just the same with WAR Altdorf was under siege within a week of release which means they've seen just about everything this game has to offer.
I see you decided to ignore my comments, 1 guild has completed the content as they played it beta for 6months, no other guild has, there will be some guild running 10man naxx maybe even 25man but thats it. Again you have not played wrath so your not educated enough to comment. I have played WAR and what a dissapointment that was in all areas.
No one made it into Altdorf Palace on that first Altdorf siege, and no one killed Karl Franz. Also, Lost Vale has harder PVE bosses than anything in WOTLK
And you're wrong - all the good guilds are clearing WOTLK already, it's easy mode. My old server is Kazzak and here are some comments from the progression thread there :
* 29. Re: Kazzak Raid Progression 18/11/2008 19:31:47 PST
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We killed KT and Sarth aswell, but whatever at this list for lol-content.
I see noone really bothered to post it even.
Agreed, one-shotting Kel'thuzad is not to cool.
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* 30. Re: Kazzak Raid Progression 18/11/2008 22:56:44 PST
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ye its a total walkover i was there in my gear allmost offensive to the old naxx.
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The only reason no ones completely sacked a city yet is because the end game in War is borked with the vp system not working not because the games hard.
Sadly, the OP is right to an extent. There are guilds that are pretty much done with the end-game content. The game is still fun tho, it just seems Blizzard shot themselves in the foot on this one. They thought to much about what they had to do to compete with WAR instead of what they should do to make the game last longer. I'm not going to name the guilds because you can read there forums and see for yourself. I still do enjoy the game tho. Regardless, the content shouldn't of been beaten so quickly regardless of there status in beta or being a hardcore guild. All Blizzard had to due was tone the encounters up, but instead they left them the same. Oh well, its still enjoyable.
Wotlk endgame content isn't even all unlocked yet, just the stepin stuff is open at the moment.
And as said before, there's plenty of people who don't agree WAR is a better game and it certainly isn't automatically true if Wotlk sucks
Actually, assuming these people are not more than 50 individuals, therefore their percentage in WoW population makes them 0.0000004%.
GoA killed WAR for Europe, RIP on the dead servers and bad service. End of story, at least for me and at least for now.
The OP's comments say more about hardcore guilds than the quality of a game.
I'm glad you like WAR, but take care that you compare like with like.
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Melmoth
I agree on that. I am with the other 99.9999996% struggling at level 72.... after one week.
I just finished a quest with a trained and controlled falcon flying over the mountains to pick up eggs. Unmatched. I am glad I can do content like that. Still PvP is my main interest, but having this PVE quality is rare these days.
OP: Typical to protect your game by saying stuff about games you don't even play or experience.
Whatever makes you sleep better hey?
100 guilds x 200 ppl = 20,000 unhappy-ppl-cleared-wotlk comparing to 11m. That's fine, other 99.8% sub still happy.
Hey......I know......lets make stuff up to prove our point. *cough*.
I'm still having more fun in WAR PvP than I ever did in WOW simply because of the large scale fights and keep sieges. I don't think 1 PvP zone is really going to save WoW PvP and people will just keep playing the same old battlegrounds.
I see you decided to ignore my comments, 1 guild has completed the content as they played it beta for 6months, no other guild has, there will be some guild running 10man naxx maybe even 25man but thats it. Again you have not played wrath so your not educated enough to comment. I have played WAR and what a dissapointment that was in all areas.
No one made it into Altdorf Palace on that first Altdorf siege, and no one killed Karl Franz. Also, Lost Vale has harder PVE bosses than anything in WOTLK
And you're wrong - all the good guilds are clearing WOTLK already, it's easy mode. My old server is Kazzak and here are some comments from the progression thread there :
* 29. Re: Kazzak Raid Progression 18/11/2008 19:31:47 PST
quote reply
Q u o t e:
We killed KT and Sarth aswell, but whatever at this list for lol-content.
I see noone really bothered to post it even.
Agreed, one-shotting Kel'thuzad is not to cool.
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* 30. Re: Kazzak Raid Progression 18/11/2008 22:56:44 PST
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ye its a total walkover i was there in my gear allmost offensive to the old naxx.
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10man or 25man? does not say.
On my server GrimBatol (very old hi-pop server) , about 3 25man raid groups are going through NAXX (naxx being a starter raid BTW) no one has cleared it yet, only 1 guild killed 25man Sartharion , no guild has done 25man Malygos.
Theres more sucess in 10man versions but again only about 6 guilds doing this content.
These are the elite raid guilds, many of whom played on beta for months learning these bosses or looked up guides on the net.
Your acting like these players have never seen these bosses or played these bosses prior to Wrath being released, thats not true they were accessable in beta for months, videos being made, guides being wirtten and players experiencing it.
And you cant compare the tacked on tank'n'spank PvE raids in WAR to crafted scripted PvE raids in WoW.
I see you decided to ignore my comments, 1 guild has completed the content as they played it beta for 6months, no other guild has, there will be some guild running 10man naxx maybe even 25man but thats it. Again you have not played wrath so your not educated enough to comment. I have played WAR and what a dissapointment that was in all areas.
No one made it into Altdorf Palace on that first Altdorf siege, and no one killed Karl Franz. Also, Lost Vale has harder PVE bosses than anything in WOTLK
And you're wrong - all the good guilds are clearing WOTLK already, it's easy mode. My old server is Kazzak and here are some comments from the progression thread there :
* 29. Re: Kazzak Raid Progression 18/11/2008 19:31:47 PST
quote reply
Q u o t e:
We killed KT and Sarth aswell, but whatever at this list for lol-content.
I see noone really bothered to post it even.
Agreed, one-shotting Kel'thuzad is not to cool.
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Calle
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* 30. Re: Kazzak Raid Progression 18/11/2008 22:56:44 PST
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ye its a total walkover i was there in my gear allmost offensive to the old naxx.
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10man or 25man? does not say.
On my server GrimBatol (very old hi-pop server) , about 3 25man raid groups are going through NAXX (naxx being a starter raid BTW) no one has cleared it yet, only 1 guild killed 25man Sartharion , no guild has done 25man Malygos.
Theres more sucess in 10man versions but again only about 6 guilds doing this content.
These are the elite raid guilds, many of whom played on beta for months learning these bosses or looked up guides on the net.
Your acting like these players have never seen these bosses or played these bosses prior to Wrath being released, thats not true they were accessable in beta for months, videos being made, guides being wirtten and players experiencing it.
And you cant compare the tacked on tank'n'spank PvE raids in WAR to crafted scripted PvE raids in WoW.
Crafted scripted raids? I thought you were talking about LOTRO's quest system for a minute. No offense, but both WAR and WoWs raids are pretty much similar, tank and spank. Its how mmo's play, and I trully don't see anything wrong with that. What else would you want? They are called tanks for a reason, are they not?
Have you even tried WotLK's Lake Wintergrasp or the new Strand ? The first time I entered the fortress of LW I was speechless. These are pure wargames m8. Pure wargames.
The castle and multiple walls of Lake Wintergrasp alone are as big as the complete Warsong Gulch battlefield. Multiple walls. Multiple gates. Unbelievable. That zone is h u g e .
And these walls and gates fall. The infantry is running behind the tanks. The artillery shreds you to pieces. First experience this and then come back with your personal comments please. Because I 've never seen anything like it in an MMORPG. Large scale and keep sieges? I don't think you can even compare it.
It's no RvR !!!, but as PvP, the new zones/BG in WotLK are really unmatched. So unless you're a Wow hater, I would certainly give it a try... these are not the usual capture the flag things... far from.
If you want a correct assessment of the two games, you should compare them down to their strengths and weaknesses.
First of all, WoW is less dependant on server population and server imbalance. in WAR you need to be in a healthy server, which in my opinion means full/full at peak hours. Anything else and the game is a sub-par experience (which led to my ex-WAR server premature population death & migration to more healthy servers). The open world PvP is much better in WAR, but you really need to be at the right server for it. If you're not, things become very un-fun, especially in T4.
WAR PvE is sub-par. Especially compared to Lich King expansion. I'd say that WoW and WAR were in equal grounds PvE wise (minus the raids of course) during Outland. Storytelling however in the Lich King is leaps and bounds better in WoW. If you're into an engaging storytelling, you'll like the classic WoW and the Lich King from WAR and get bored by both Outland and WAR PvE.
In terms of accessibility, they are both equally accessible games now. WoW used to be a much harder game if people wanted to experience all the content. You could only do it in big raid groups, something that it's no longer a necessity. WAR accessibility is very good from the get go, so no complains there. In terms of penalising the players for their mistakes, both games are forgiving, although WAR is more forgiving than WoW.
In terms of content for a new player, WoW has more but then again, WoW is now on the second expansion, so it's only natural. I'm among the people that find the excessive expansion race a detterent from checking games (part of the reason I didn't return to EQ2). So, while WoW does have more content due to the two expansions, WAR being fresh looks more appealing for somebody that doesn't want to be overwhelmed with things to do.
Overall both games are very good and a fun passtime. Just make sure that you pick a healthy WAR server in order to have the best experience out of that game.
Have you even tried WotLK's Lake Wintergrasp or the new Strand ? The first time I entered the fortress of LW I was speechless. These are pure wargames m8. Pure wargames.
The castle and multiple walls of Lake Wintergrasp alone are as big as the complete Warsong Gulch battlefield. Multiple walls. Multiple gates. Unbelievable. That zone is h u g e .
And these walls and gates fall. The infantry is running behind the tanks. The artillery shreds you to pieces. First experience this and then come back with your personal comments please. Because I 've never seen anything like it in an MMORPG. Large scale and keep sieges? I don't think you can even compare it.
It's no RvR !!!, but as PvP, the new zones/BG in WotLK are really unmatched. So unless you're a Wow hater, I would certainly give it a try... these are not the usual capture the flag things... far from.
No offense, but the PvP and that zone are kinda silly. Yeah it looks great, but it seems as though you haven't really played it. And yes, I do play WoW. I like it, but not for PvP. If i want fun PvP, i still play DaoC for that. I'm suprised Mythic didn't just copy there model. Its a blast still to this day.
Crafted scripted raids? I thought you were talking about LOTRO's quest system for a minute. No offense, but both WAR and WoWs raids are pretty much similar, tank and spank. Its how mmo's play, and I trully don't see anything wrong with that. What else would you want? They are called tanks for a reason, are they not?
This is a clear example of somebody that speaks of things he read, instead of things he experienced. People with your mentality are the reason guilds never gone past Heidan or Thaddeus in the classic WoW Naxxramas dungeons.
There are bosses still not killed in WAR
Every boss has been killed in WOTLK by the good raiding guilds (including the 25man ones, 25man KT, Malygos and Sart).
And I can tell you for a fact that Malygos 25 man is easier than any sunwell fight, and is easier even than bosses in Lost Vale in WAR (Lost Vale isn't even the hardest instance in WAR)
WAR pve > WoW pve in terms of challenge now
Have you even tried WotLK's Lake Wintergrasp or the new Strand ? The first time I entered the fortress of LW I was speechless. These are pure wargames m8. Pure wargames.
The castle and multiple walls of Lake Wintergrasp alone are as big as the complete Warsong Gulch battlefield. Multiple walls. Multiple gates. Unbelievable. That zone is h u g e .
And these walls and gates fall. The infantry is running behind the tanks. The artillery shreds you to pieces. First experience this and then come back with your personal comments please. Because I 've never seen anything like it in an MMORPG. Large scale and keep sieges? I don't think you can even compare it.
It's no RvR !!!, but as PvP, the new zones/BG in WotLK are really unmatched. So unless you're a Wow hater, I would certainly give it a try... these are not the usual capture the flag things... far from.
No offense, but the PvP and that zone are kinda silly. Yeah it looks great, but it seems as though you haven't really played it. And yes, I do play WoW. I like it, but not for PvP. If i want fun PvP, i still play DaoC for that. I'm suprised Mythic didn't just copy there model. Its a blast still to this day.
Oh Dear God, I give up on this. "Silly" ? No use even discussing this. Are people so afraid ? It seems so. Have fun.
lol @ this thread.
everything OP said about wotlk, thats what our EQ guild thought of wow from day 1...
didn't think the game could get any easier
Does anyone know how to make a mmoRPG anymore?