Just wanted to throw my 2 cents in. Is there a lot of hate towards DF? Yes. Could Tasos's rather blatant arogance in the thread be due to the hate? Sure, probably is. Then my question would be, Why has Adventurine, and Tasos cultured and fueled this hate? Every thing they release is vague, extremely vague. They dodge questions that arent about gameplay, or NDA game features, but about development cycles. They dont do any main stream media previews, and when they finally hit a mainstream outlet, they come off as curt and rude. Sure MMORPG.com asked some tough questions... but... its nothing that most of us that are labeled as "Haters" by the fanbois have been screaming about for years. Most of us that are skeptical about DF, have been following the game since we played UO and AC1. We were at one point in time rather hopeful about the game (at least I know I was)... but you can only fake start beta so many times, pretend to be close to launch so many times. Eventually you get to the point that you want to see some hard evidence before you get your hopes up again. Adventurine could turn around the DF negativity TOMORROW, by letting IGN, MMORPG, Gamespy, and a few others into beta, and giving them freedom to post what they think. Information would flood out, skeptics would have their doubts either shattered or confirmed, and DF would get some much needed publicity. Adventurine however has chosen to treat DF like the roswel incident. We know somethings going on in that dessert, but we dont know if its aliens or a weather ballon. IF darkfall is as close to release as Tasos claims, then there is no reason to NOT get the media behind them. Its free advertising. However, assuming everything is as good as Tasos says (which we have no third party to verify that) the only thing that disturbs me is beta. Several hundred people is less than 1000. Most MMO servers now have 2000 - 10000 people on one server. With so few people there, they have no way of stress testing the servers or their network. Even if Darkfall is as badass as we are being led to believe, we are being setup for experiencing server side lag and conectivity issues that havent been seen since the first week of Ultima Online launch back in August of 1997.
actully this has been convered in journal but it wasnt full of details how but yea they found a way to do tis called npc/ai that cause just as much stress as real players. also you can packet spam the server.
but ir emeber taoss saying the server cant till the diffrence between a real player and the npc/bots/ai in game
pretty good hint how they did it
Ah, yes. The amazing Darkfall AI which not only controls all those goblins but also beta test the game.
I still get a laugh from that one.
that isnt what tasos meant by a i helping them it really hard ot explain. let me put this in a way youll understand
bots/ai/npc cause same stress as real players. (server cant tell the diffrence from players or npcs) ai skilsl up jsut like a rela player it roams it does stuff jsu tliek a real player would it builds yada yada yada. to what extent do they help who knows but the main one i bet is stress granted theys till need to let alto of people in to double check everything. but i have seen a fake npc logged into (cough swg pre cu emulator that was causign the same stress as a real person)
There we go, I can argue that.
See, bots and AI cant cause the same stress for multiple reasons.
#1 they were programed by the same people who programed the game.
#2 Computers are only as good as they were programed
#3 Players do things programers never intended them to do or try, that pretty much breaks 2 and 1
#4 Players use third party apps to try and break the game and cheat...AI doesnt do that.
#5 Most importantly, Players connect from outside the building, from different regions, states, etc. AI connects internally. Its not going to stress test the network infrastructure.
#6 Players use different pcs, millions and millions of different systems, AI doesnt test that.
Thats just a few rather simple issues I can come up with that AI cant solve.... and those issues alone could cause MASSIVE problems.
isnt that what the hardware test is for im talking stress thats about it
do you even know how peole in cause stress to server being logged in?
isnt that what the hardware test is for im talking stress thats about it
do you even know how peole in cause stress to server being logged in?
It doesn't matter. Any good IT professional will tell you that the only good test is with REAL people.
I have been part of the development of new auction software system.
Development tested it with all kinds of stress test programs and everything looked okay.
The moment we rolled out the new software on the tribunes and tested with real live customers to use the new software simultaniously on the tribunes, all kinds of issues, problems, bottlenecks, performance issues arose.
There is no AI testing program that can beat real live testers.
To be honest, I've found his attitude in this article far from pleasant. He really sounded like an elitish puberal arrogant ass. Sorry to say it like that. Nothing about thick skin, vaporware trolls this and that. If you are going to answer an interview this is clearly not the way to answer. He really thinks he is the king of the MMO industry, seeing how he reacted and thinks about other MMO companies. Sorry tho, but he should be a bit more respectful towards the competition. As so far they themselves haven't delivered anything yet and are a new indy company in this bussiness. And this arrogant elitish attitude isn't going to do them any favors! Maybe he should keep both his feet on the ground and act a bit more humiliate and normal. Cheers
isnt that what the hardware test is for im talking stress thats about it
do you even know how peole in cause stress to server being logged in?
It doesn't matter. Any good IT professional will tell you that the only good test is with REAL people.
I have been part of the development of new auction software system.
Development tested it with all kinds of stress test programs and everything looked okay.
The moment we rolled out the new software on the tribunes and tested with real live customers to use the new software simultaniously on the tribunes, all kinds of issues, problems, bottlenecks, performance issues arose.
There is no AI testing program that can beat real live testers.
Cheers
yea there never used to be cars and planes either and the light bulb
I'll have to agree that this interview didn't give much, if any, info. I also agree that Tacos came across like somewhat of a jerk, and he usually does. I hope he won't be in customer support lol.
Also, as someone who doesn't read these boards that much, I'm baffled by the mood in the Darkfall section.. what the hell is wrong with people who support Darkfall? I sure hope the community won't be anything like this in the actual game because I'd have a hard time enjoying it no matter how good the game itself is. Geeeeez come on.
I'll have to agree that this interview didn't give much, if any, info. I also agree that Tacos came across like somewhat of a jerk, and he usually does. I hope he won't be in customer support lol. Also, as someone who doesn't read these boards that much, I'm baffled by the mood in the Darkfall section.. what the hell is wrong with people who support Darkfall? I sure hope the community won't be anything like this in the actual game because I'd have a hard time enjoying it no matter how good the game itself is. Geeeeez come on.
Tasos and the Adventurine are serious about releasing an MMO for all those gamers who have been left out in the cold over the past 8 or more years, with a full loot, ffa pvp,skill based, sandbox, modern graphics MMO.
There are literally tens of thousands of people who are waiting for a game of this type to be released. And more, much much more people introduced to the MMO genre through WoW will come across once it is released, because it is a game based around PVP WITH CONSEQUENCE. No more hand holding carebear hugs and kisses, no more whack-a-mole combat, no more level grinding, no more stupid 'kill 10 bats' CRAP. And they DON'T F****ING CARE if you don't like full loot pvp sandbox, they don't want to hear your snivelling whining about 10 hour raids to gain a shiney, they don't want to listen about your needs for 'teh lvl grind'. If you don't like those concepts, or for some reason think the game is all smoke and mirrors, then GTFO of the house, you whining, weak-willed worm.
I could not have said it better. Cudos
Hallarious considering that even if Darkfall ever does see the light of day, this "ultimate skill based game of all time!' boils down to smashing the mouse button over and over until things die and random ganking. If there are no objectives, I fail to see the "conseqnece" of PvP besides perhaps having to go buy another genericsword_01 to replace the one that was spammed out of you by 12 noobs.
Tasos and the Adventurine are serious about releasing an MMO for all those gamers who have been left out in the cold over the past 8 or more years, with a full loot, ffa pvp,skill based, sandbox, modern graphics MMO.
There are literally tens of thousands of people who are waiting for a game of this type to be released. And more, much much more people introduced to the MMO genre through WoW will come across once it is released, because it is a game based around PVP WITH CONSEQUENCE. No more hand holding carebear hugs and kisses, no more whack-a-mole combat, no more level grinding, no more stupid 'kill 10 bats' CRAP. And they DON'T F****ING CARE if you don't like full loot pvp sandbox, they don't want to hear your snivelling whining about 10 hour raids to gain a shiney, they don't want to listen about your needs for 'teh lvl grind'. If you don't like those concepts, or for some reason think the game is all smoke and mirrors, then GTFO of the house, you whining, weak-willed worm.
I could not have said it better. Cudos
Hallarious considering that even if Darkfall ever does see the light of day, this "ultimate skill based game of all time!' boils down to smashing the mouse button over and over until things die and random ganking. If there are no objectives, I fail to see the "conseqnece" of PvP besides perhaps having to go buy another genericsword_01 to replace the one that was spammed out of you by 12 noobs.
Tasos and the Adventurine are serious about releasing an MMO for all those gamers who have been left out in the cold over the past 8 or more years, with a full loot, ffa pvp,skill based, sandbox, modern graphics MMO.
There are literally tens of thousands of people who are waiting for a game of this type to be released. And more, much much more people introduced to the MMO genre through WoW will come across once it is released, because it is a game based around PVP WITH CONSEQUENCE. No more hand holding carebear hugs and kisses, no more whack-a-mole combat, no more level grinding, no more stupid 'kill 10 bats' CRAP. And they DON'T F****ING CARE if you don't like full loot pvp sandbox, they don't want to hear your snivelling whining about 10 hour raids to gain a shiney, they don't want to listen about your needs for 'teh lvl grind'. If you don't like those concepts, or for some reason think the game is all smoke and mirrors, then GTFO of the house, you whining, weak-willed worm.
I could not have said it better. Cudos
Hallarious considering that even if Darkfall ever does see the light of day, this "ultimate skill based game of all time!' boils down to smashing the mouse button over and over until things die and random ganking. If there are no objectives, I fail to see the "conseqnece" of PvP besides perhaps having to go buy another genericsword_01 to replace the one that was spammed out of you by 12 noobs.
not going to be like that
You say that now. Hell, even the scant few trailers they've released show warriors running around just spiraling their arms like some kind of sword windmill until something dies and then gliding over to the next thing.
To be honest, I've found his attitude in this article far from pleasant. He really sounded like an elitish puberal arrogant ass. Sorry to say it like that. Nothing about thick skin, vaporware trolls this and that. If you are going to answer an interview this is clearly not the way to answer. He really thinks he is the king of the MMO industry, seeing how he reacted and thinks about other MMO companies. Sorry tho, but he should be a bit more respectful towards the competition. As so far they themselves haven't delivered anything yet and are a new indy company in this bussiness. And this arrogant elitish attitude isn't going to do them any favors! Maybe he should keep both his feet on the ground and act a bit more humiliate and normal. Cheers
like the trolls k
The only troll are you. Just look back your own posts. Being a blind fanboi is even worse then the average troll on these forums k
At least I am not trolling and post replies with a foundation. Can't say that from you k
isnt that what the hardware test is for im talking stress thats about it
do you even know how peole in cause stress to server being logged in?
It doesn't matter. Any good IT professional will tell you that the only good test is with REAL people.
I have been part of the development of new auction software system.
Development tested it with all kinds of stress test programs and everything looked okay.
The moment we rolled out the new software on the tribunes and tested with real live customers to use the new software simultaniously on the tribunes, all kinds of issues, problems, bottlenecks, performance issues arose.
There is no AI testing program that can beat real live testers.
Cheers
First, if you read the article carefully, they claim to have been using real, live interntal QA test staff for over a year. Now, as someone who has been developing software for over 20 years, I can tell you that the best testing includes the users as well.
However that said, more than one application I've worked on released successfully with no user acceptance testing, and while we did experience problems that would have been caught by them before release, we just fixed the problems afterwards and moved forwards.
Now we know they have several hundred external testers working on the software testing. How much is enough? Is 200 or 300 external testers who actually test more valuable than 10,000 who do nothing but play the game and never file a bug report? I'm thinking, maybe they are.
The only thing they really can't do is properly load test the system, though their are load testing simulators I've used not quite sure how they could be practically applied to an MMO.
Time will tell whether their approach will work better than the recent releases that had large scale open betas yet still released with lots of problems. Could they really do any worse?
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To be honest, I've found his attitude in this article far from pleasant. He really sounded like an elitish puberal arrogant ass. Sorry to say it like that. Nothing about thick skin, vaporware trolls this and that. If you are going to answer an interview this is clearly not the way to answer. He really thinks he is the king of the MMO industry, seeing how he reacted and thinks about other MMO companies. Sorry tho, but he should be a bit more respectful towards the competition. As so far they themselves haven't delivered anything yet and are a new indy company in this bussiness. And this arrogant elitish attitude isn't going to do them any favors! Maybe he should keep both his feet on the ground and act a bit more humiliate and normal. Cheers
like the trolls k
The only troll are you. Just look back your own posts. Being a blind fanboi is even worse then the average troll on these forums k
At least I am not trolling and post replies with a foundation. Can't say that from you k
im not blind im not going to pay shit until i get to try the game and see for my self
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009..... In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
I'll have to agree that this interview didn't give much, if any, info. I also agree that Tacos came across like somewhat of a jerk, and he usually does. I hope he won't be in customer support lol. Also, as someone who doesn't read these boards that much, I'm baffled by the mood in the Darkfall section.. what the hell is wrong with people who support Darkfall? I sure hope the community won't be anything like this in the actual game because I'd have a hard time enjoying it no matter how good the game itself is. Geeeeez come on.
Oh that is just the result of years of trolling.. we will be fine once the game releases. Until then, we will jum at anyone saying bullit on the boards, it's a reflex ;p
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First, if you read the article carefully, they claim to have been using real, live interntal QA test staff for over a year. Now, as someone who has been developing software for over 20 years, I can tell you that the best testing includes the users as well.
However that said, more than one application I've worked on released successfully with no user acceptance testing, and while we did experience problems that would have been caught by them before release, we just fixed the problems afterwards and moved forwards.
Now we know they have several hundred external testers working on the software testing. How much is enough? Is 200 or 300 external testers who actually test more valuable than 10,000 who do nothing but play the game and never file a bug report? I'm thinking, maybe they are.
The only thing they really can't do is properly load test the system, though their are load testing simulators I've used not quite sure how they could be practically applied to an MMO.
Time will tell whether their approach will work better than the recent releases that had large scale open betas yet still released with lots of problems. Could they really do any worse?
You need to fill the server to max load and let those thousands of players play the game for a good while, so you can load test every zone of your game.
So many MMO's fell flat on their face, because they only did a short Open Beta period and load tested the starting area, while there were zones in the game that were causing the servers to crash with far less people.
I can cough up two MMO's right now in wich this happened. Matrix Online and Tabula Rasa (altho in tabula rasa the servers didn't crash, but one zone was completely unplayable and it took them litterly months to fix that zone AFTER release!).
Same with Warhammer Online. Now after launch Fortress zones in TIer4 are crashing or even bringing the whole server to it's knees. All because they appearently didn't properly load tested the endgame zones!
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in my example with the new Auction system software, we could perfectly well testing the load on the software itself with bots, but we did a load test with real live customers, because they do things you don't expect them to do. Not to mention that they can create problems, bugs and performance issues you haven't thought of.
Tasos and the Adventurine are serious about releasing an MMO for all those gamers who have been left out in the cold over the past 8 or more years, with a full loot, ffa pvp,skill based, sandbox, modern graphics MMO.
There are literally tens of thousands of people who are waiting for a game of this type to be released. And more, much much more people introduced to the MMO genre through WoW will come across once it is released, because it is a game based around PVP WITH CONSEQUENCE. No more hand holding carebear hugs and kisses, no more whack-a-mole combat, no more level grinding, no more stupid 'kill 10 bats' CRAP. And they DON'T F****ING CARE if you don't like full loot pvp sandbox, they don't want to hear your snivelling whining about 10 hour raids to gain a shiney, they don't want to listen about your needs for 'teh lvl grind'. If you don't like those concepts, or for some reason think the game is all smoke and mirrors, then GTFO of the house, you whining, weak-willed worm.
I could not have said it better. Cudos
Hallarious considering that even if Darkfall ever does see the light of day, this "ultimate skill based game of all time!' boils down to smashing the mouse button over and over until things die and random ganking. If there are no objectives, I fail to see the "conseqnece" of PvP besides perhaps having to go buy another genericsword_01 to replace the one that was spammed out of you by 12 noobs.
You obviously don't now anyting about this game or its features, ever played UO? ever played an FPS?
If you are realy intrested in knowing (witch I doubt) you can start by reading my blog entries here on MMORPG.com.
This game is obviously not for you tough, it sound as if you need the quest, and raids and epic shite that so many other games proved for you.
Have a nice life
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is it me or Tasos sounded like he was a 17 old nerd, who's cocky, inexperienced and frankly a bit of a dick. the way he talks about the game is like it's second coming (Darkfall fanbois - now i know the reason for Your attitude) is not very appealing to me. i know they are independent so there's not much of PR or all that corporate spin cycle going on there but still... besides i would love MMORPG.COM to record their interviews on camera (if it's over the phone then just audio). reading the interview doesnt give the emotion of the interview at all (so i might've misinterpreted my first observation)
right now everything about this game is just words, few vids and small and unispiring site...
isnt that what the hardware test is for im talking stress thats about it
do you even know how peole in cause stress to server being logged in?
It doesn't matter. Any good IT professional will tell you that the only good test is with REAL people.
I have been part of the development of new auction software system.
Development tested it with all kinds of stress test programs and everything looked okay.
The moment we rolled out the new software on the tribunes and tested with real live customers to use the new software simultaniously on the tribunes, all kinds of issues, problems, bottlenecks, performance issues arose.
There is no AI testing program that can beat real live testers.
Cheers
First, if you read the article carefully, they claim to have been using real, live interntal QA test staff for over a year. Now, as someone who has been developing software for over 20 years, I can tell you that the best testing includes the users as well.
However that said, more than one application I've worked on released successfully with no user acceptance testing, and while we did experience problems that would have been caught by them before release, we just fixed the problems afterwards and moved forwards.
Now we know they have several hundred external testers working on the software testing. How much is enough? Is 200 or 300 external testers who actually test more valuable than 10,000 who do nothing but play the game and never file a bug report? I'm thinking, maybe they are.
The only thing they really can't do is properly load test the system, though their are load testing simulators I've used not quite sure how they could be practically applied to an MMO.
Time will tell whether their approach will work better than the recent releases that had large scale open betas yet still released with lots of problems. Could they really do any worse?
Dead on analysis.
I can't for the life of me se how 10.000 l33t 12-yearolds running around in the world dueling would help?
-"ahhh, like dude I kindof sliped off the stone there to the left; right, is it supposed to be like that, like?"
-"dude the guy with the über stick killed me in 2 blows like! that isnt right, right´?"
***************************** I have nothing clever to say.
Tasos and the Adventurine are serious about releasing an MMO for all those gamers who have been left out in the cold over the past 8 or more years, with a full loot, ffa pvp,skill based, sandbox, modern graphics MMO.
There are literally tens of thousands of people who are waiting for a game of this type to be released. And more, much much more people introduced to the MMO genre through WoW will come across once it is released, because it is a game based around PVP WITH CONSEQUENCE. No more hand holding carebear hugs and kisses, no more whack-a-mole combat, no more level grinding, no more stupid 'kill 10 bats' CRAP. And they DON'T F****ING CARE if you don't like full loot pvp sandbox, they don't want to hear your snivelling whining about 10 hour raids to gain a shiney, they don't want to listen about your needs for 'teh lvl grind'. If you don't like those concepts, or for some reason think the game is all smoke and mirrors, then GTFO of the house, you whining, weak-willed worm.
I could not have said it better. Cudos
Hallarious considering that even if Darkfall ever does see the light of day, this "ultimate skill based game of all time!' boils down to smashing the mouse button over and over until things die and random ganking. If there are no objectives, I fail to see the "conseqnece" of PvP besides perhaps having to go buy another genericsword_01 to replace the one that was spammed out of you by 12 noobs.
not going to be like that
You say that now. Hell, even the scant few trailers they've released show warriors running around just spiraling their arms like some kind of sword windmill until something dies and then gliding over to the next thing.
I never thought I would dislike Tasos more than I did before I read this interview, but alas I have been proven wrong.
He was so unprofessional in this interview, Id like to know how he got this job in the first place. He comes off as snippish, arrogant, and just plain rude. Ive seen front desk clerks in motel 6s come across with more professionalism than this guy can muster.
Frankly I dont think hes cut out for the job, he, like Aventurine has no prior experience, and frankly his attitude isnt helping Darkfall one bit.Seriously I can point you in the direction of some good training vidoes for dealing with the public Tasos, you obviously need help.
I applaud MMORPG.COM for finally busting this guys chops like they should have been years ago. Not only did you get them out there, but you exposed the guy for the unprofessional hack that he really is.
A step in the right direction for Darkfall would be to fire this inexperienced jackanape and get someone in there who can handle tough questions without coming off like a petulant child.
That was a nice interview, thanks mmorpg.com! I have to admit Tasos is pretty good with his words. No wonder he has a huge community to back him up. I rather take straight answers than cute puppy answers, like Gaute had. Always brown nosing.
Let's just hope this game pops out eventually. I have to admit though, this is the first mmorpg I WONT be preordering, no matter how good it sounds. So much rumours around it.
Anyways, +1 to Darkfall and Tasos. Let's see if you can deliver.
I really liked the interview, it was very "Darkfally". It more or less said "If you dont like it...get the *¤#% out!".
Maybe people isnt ready for that kind of attitude? Most people are used to developers saying things that people want to hear. But not Tasos, he said what he was thinking : )
And with all the bullshit Aventurine have taken over the years, i cant bliame him. Soon it might be over. Darkfall is released and everyone can go back to whatever they want.
I never thought I would dislike Tasos more than I did before I read this interview, but alas I have been proven wrong. He was so unprofessional in this interview, Id like to know how he got this job in the first place. He comes off as snippish, arrogant, and just plain rude. Ive seen front desk clerks in motel 6s come across with more professionalism than this guy can muster. Frankly I dont think hes cut out for the job, he, like Aventurine has no prior experience, and frankly his attitude isnt helping Darkfall one bit.Seriously I can point you in the direction of some good training vidoes for dealing with the public Tasos, you obviously need help. I applaud MMORPG.COM for finally busting this guys chops like they should have been years ago. Not only did you get them out there, but you exposed the guy for the unprofessional hack that he really is. A step in the right direction for Darkfall would be to fire this inexperienced jackanape and get someone in there who can handle tough questions without coming off like a petulant child.
But the "petulant child" you describe him as is exactly the mentality of his blind faith followers. These immature piss-ants are mostly likely the kind of people who will be playing his game (if it even is playable, yet to be determined).
So he's just basically catering to the lowest common denominator... His fans.
I never thought I would dislike Tasos more than I did before I read this interview, but alas I have been proven wrong. He was so unprofessional in this interview, Id like to know how he got this job in the first place. He comes off as snippish, arrogant, and just plain rude. Ive seen front desk clerks in motel 6s come across with more professionalism than this guy can muster. Frankly I dont think hes cut out for the job, he, like Aventurine has no prior experience, and frankly his attitude isnt helping Darkfall one bit.Seriously I can point you in the direction of some good training vidoes for dealing with the public Tasos, you obviously need help. I applaud MMORPG.COM for finally busting this guys chops like they should have been years ago. Not only did you get them out there, but you exposed the guy for the unprofessional hack that he really is. A step in the right direction for Darkfall would be to fire this inexperienced jackanape and get someone in there who can handle tough questions without coming off like a petulant child.
meh most of forumfall thought that it was cool he answerd the way msot people would. just tells me he snot going to crumble under the crying about open pvp and stuf and change the game.
but the good thing is hes not costimer support hes just a guy that gives us updates. if oyu dont like it all well . if the game is good i bet most people dont care what he says as long as it isnt out right lieing
he just answerd honestly and honestly he always been this way i dont really care as long as the game is good and actully works
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actully this has been convered in journal but it wasnt full of details how but yea they found a way to do tis called npc/ai that cause just as much stress as real players. also you can packet spam the server.
but ir emeber taoss saying the server cant till the diffrence between a real player and the npc/bots/ai in game
pretty good hint how they did it
Ah, yes. The amazing Darkfall AI which not only controls all those goblins but also beta test the game.
I still get a laugh from that one.
that isnt what tasos meant by a i helping them it really hard ot explain. let me put this in a way youll understand
bots/ai/npc cause same stress as real players. (server cant tell the diffrence from players or npcs) ai skilsl up jsut like a rela player it roams it does stuff jsu tliek a real player would it builds yada yada yada. to what extent do they help who knows but the main one i bet is stress granted theys till need to let alto of people in to double check everything. but i have seen a fake npc logged into (cough swg pre cu emulator that was causign the same stress as a real person)
There we go, I can argue that.
See, bots and AI cant cause the same stress for multiple reasons.
#1 they were programed by the same people who programed the game.
#2 Computers are only as good as they were programed
#3 Players do things programers never intended them to do or try, that pretty much breaks 2 and 1
#4 Players use third party apps to try and break the game and cheat...AI doesnt do that.
#5 Most importantly, Players connect from outside the building, from different regions, states, etc. AI connects internally. Its not going to stress test the network infrastructure.
#6 Players use different pcs, millions and millions of different systems, AI doesnt test that.
Thats just a few rather simple issues I can come up with that AI cant solve.... and those issues alone could cause MASSIVE problems.
isnt that what the hardware test is for im talking stress thats about it
do you even know how peole in cause stress to server being logged in?
diffrent game same concept tho
isnt that what the hardware test is for im talking stress thats about it
do you even know how peole in cause stress to server being logged in?
It doesn't matter. Any good IT professional will tell you that the only good test is with REAL people.
I have been part of the development of new auction software system.
Development tested it with all kinds of stress test programs and everything looked okay.
The moment we rolled out the new software on the tribunes and tested with real live customers to use the new software simultaniously on the tribunes, all kinds of issues, problems, bottlenecks, performance issues arose.
There is no AI testing program that can beat real live testers.
Cheers
like the trolls k
isnt that what the hardware test is for im talking stress thats about it
do you even know how peole in cause stress to server being logged in?
It doesn't matter. Any good IT professional will tell you that the only good test is with REAL people.
I have been part of the development of new auction software system.
Development tested it with all kinds of stress test programs and everything looked okay.
The moment we rolled out the new software on the tribunes and tested with real live customers to use the new software simultaniously on the tribunes, all kinds of issues, problems, bottlenecks, performance issues arose.
There is no AI testing program that can beat real live testers.
Cheers
yea there never used to be cars and planes either and the light bulb
I'll have to agree that this interview didn't give much, if any, info. I also agree that Tacos came across like somewhat of a jerk, and he usually does. I hope he won't be in customer support lol.
Also, as someone who doesn't read these boards that much, I'm baffled by the mood in the Darkfall section.. what the hell is wrong with people who support Darkfall? I sure hope the community won't be anything like this in the actual game because I'd have a hard time enjoying it no matter how good the game itself is. Geeeeez come on.
some will but this is boards not a game heh
Hallarious considering that even if Darkfall ever does see the light of day, this "ultimate skill based game of all time!' boils down to smashing the mouse button over and over until things die and random ganking. If there are no objectives, I fail to see the "conseqnece" of PvP besides perhaps having to go buy another genericsword_01 to replace the one that was spammed out of you by 12 noobs.
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Hallarious considering that even if Darkfall ever does see the light of day, this "ultimate skill based game of all time!' boils down to smashing the mouse button over and over until things die and random ganking. If there are no objectives, I fail to see the "conseqnece" of PvP besides perhaps having to go buy another genericsword_01 to replace the one that was spammed out of you by 12 noobs.
not going to be like that
Hallarious considering that even if Darkfall ever does see the light of day, this "ultimate skill based game of all time!' boils down to smashing the mouse button over and over until things die and random ganking. If there are no objectives, I fail to see the "conseqnece" of PvP besides perhaps having to go buy another genericsword_01 to replace the one that was spammed out of you by 12 noobs.
not going to be like that
You say that now. Hell, even the scant few trailers they've released show warriors running around just spiraling their arms like some kind of sword windmill until something dies and then gliding over to the next thing.
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like the trolls k
The only troll are you. Just look back your own posts. Being a blind fanboi is even worse then the average troll on these forums k
At least I am not trolling and post replies with a foundation. Can't say that from you k
isnt that what the hardware test is for im talking stress thats about it
do you even know how peole in cause stress to server being logged in?
It doesn't matter. Any good IT professional will tell you that the only good test is with REAL people.
I have been part of the development of new auction software system.
Development tested it with all kinds of stress test programs and everything looked okay.
The moment we rolled out the new software on the tribunes and tested with real live customers to use the new software simultaniously on the tribunes, all kinds of issues, problems, bottlenecks, performance issues arose.
There is no AI testing program that can beat real live testers.
Cheers
First, if you read the article carefully, they claim to have been using real, live interntal QA test staff for over a year. Now, as someone who has been developing software for over 20 years, I can tell you that the best testing includes the users as well.
However that said, more than one application I've worked on released successfully with no user acceptance testing, and while we did experience problems that would have been caught by them before release, we just fixed the problems afterwards and moved forwards.
Now we know they have several hundred external testers working on the software testing. How much is enough? Is 200 or 300 external testers who actually test more valuable than 10,000 who do nothing but play the game and never file a bug report? I'm thinking, maybe they are.
The only thing they really can't do is properly load test the system, though their are load testing simulators I've used not quite sure how they could be practically applied to an MMO.
Time will tell whether their approach will work better than the recent releases that had large scale open betas yet still released with lots of problems. Could they really do any worse?
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like the trolls k
The only troll are you. Just look back your own posts. Being a blind fanboi is even worse then the average troll on these forums k
At least I am not trolling and post replies with a foundation. Can't say that from you k
im not blind im not going to pay shit until i get to try the game and see for my self
Soon we know more, short but nice interview:)
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009.....
In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
Oh that is just the result of years of trolling.. we will be fine once the game releases. Until then, we will jum at anyone saying bullit on the boards, it's a reflex ;p
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I have nothing clever to say.
First, if you read the article carefully, they claim to have been using real, live interntal QA test staff for over a year. Now, as someone who has been developing software for over 20 years, I can tell you that the best testing includes the users as well.
However that said, more than one application I've worked on released successfully with no user acceptance testing, and while we did experience problems that would have been caught by them before release, we just fixed the problems afterwards and moved forwards.
Now we know they have several hundred external testers working on the software testing. How much is enough? Is 200 or 300 external testers who actually test more valuable than 10,000 who do nothing but play the game and never file a bug report? I'm thinking, maybe they are.
The only thing they really can't do is properly load test the system, though their are load testing simulators I've used not quite sure how they could be practically applied to an MMO.
Time will tell whether their approach will work better than the recent releases that had large scale open betas yet still released with lots of problems. Could they really do any worse?
You need to fill the server to max load and let those thousands of players play the game for a good while, so you can load test every zone of your game.
So many MMO's fell flat on their face, because they only did a short Open Beta period and load tested the starting area, while there were zones in the game that were causing the servers to crash with far less people.
I can cough up two MMO's right now in wich this happened. Matrix Online and Tabula Rasa (altho in tabula rasa the servers didn't crash, but one zone was completely unplayable and it took them litterly months to fix that zone AFTER release!).
Same with Warhammer Online. Now after launch Fortress zones in TIer4 are crashing or even bringing the whole server to it's knees. All because they appearently didn't properly load tested the endgame zones!
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in my example with the new Auction system software, we could perfectly well testing the load on the software itself with bots, but we did a load test with real live customers, because they do things you don't expect them to do. Not to mention that they can create problems, bugs and performance issues you haven't thought of.
Cheers
Hallarious considering that even if Darkfall ever does see the light of day, this "ultimate skill based game of all time!' boils down to smashing the mouse button over and over until things die and random ganking. If there are no objectives, I fail to see the "conseqnece" of PvP besides perhaps having to go buy another genericsword_01 to replace the one that was spammed out of you by 12 noobs.
You obviously don't now anyting about this game or its features, ever played UO? ever played an FPS?
If you are realy intrested in knowing (witch I doubt) you can start by reading my blog entries here on MMORPG.com.
This game is obviously not for you tough, it sound as if you need the quest, and raids and epic shite that so many other games proved for you.
Have a nice life
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I have nothing clever to say.
is it me or Tasos sounded like he was a 17 old nerd, who's cocky, inexperienced and frankly a bit of a dick. the way he talks about the game is like it's second coming (Darkfall fanbois - now i know the reason for Your attitude) is not very appealing to me. i know they are independent so there's not much of PR or all that corporate spin cycle going on there but still... besides i would love MMORPG.COM to record their interviews on camera (if it's over the phone then just audio). reading the interview doesnt give the emotion of the interview at all (so i might've misinterpreted my first observation)
right now everything about this game is just words, few vids and small and unispiring site...
isnt that what the hardware test is for im talking stress thats about it
do you even know how peole in cause stress to server being logged in?
It doesn't matter. Any good IT professional will tell you that the only good test is with REAL people.
I have been part of the development of new auction software system.
Development tested it with all kinds of stress test programs and everything looked okay.
The moment we rolled out the new software on the tribunes and tested with real live customers to use the new software simultaniously on the tribunes, all kinds of issues, problems, bottlenecks, performance issues arose.
There is no AI testing program that can beat real live testers.
Cheers
First, if you read the article carefully, they claim to have been using real, live interntal QA test staff for over a year. Now, as someone who has been developing software for over 20 years, I can tell you that the best testing includes the users as well.
However that said, more than one application I've worked on released successfully with no user acceptance testing, and while we did experience problems that would have been caught by them before release, we just fixed the problems afterwards and moved forwards.
Now we know they have several hundred external testers working on the software testing. How much is enough? Is 200 or 300 external testers who actually test more valuable than 10,000 who do nothing but play the game and never file a bug report? I'm thinking, maybe they are.
The only thing they really can't do is properly load test the system, though their are load testing simulators I've used not quite sure how they could be practically applied to an MMO.
Time will tell whether their approach will work better than the recent releases that had large scale open betas yet still released with lots of problems. Could they really do any worse?
Dead on analysis.
I can't for the life of me se how 10.000 l33t 12-yearolds running around in the world dueling would help?
-"ahhh, like dude I kindof sliped off the stone there to the left; right, is it supposed to be like that, like?"
-"dude the guy with the über stick killed me in 2 blows like! that isnt right, right´?"
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I have nothing clever to say.
Hallarious considering that even if Darkfall ever does see the light of day, this "ultimate skill based game of all time!' boils down to smashing the mouse button over and over until things die and random ganking. If there are no objectives, I fail to see the "conseqnece" of PvP besides perhaps having to go buy another genericsword_01 to replace the one that was spammed out of you by 12 noobs.
not going to be like that
You say that now. Hell, even the scant few trailers they've released show warriors running around just spiraling their arms like some kind of sword windmill until something dies and then gliding over to the next thing.
wasnt meant ot show more than what it showed
I never thought I would dislike Tasos more than I did before I read this interview, but alas I have been proven wrong.
He was so unprofessional in this interview, Id like to know how he got this job in the first place. He comes off as snippish, arrogant, and just plain rude. Ive seen front desk clerks in motel 6s come across with more professionalism than this guy can muster.
Frankly I dont think hes cut out for the job, he, like Aventurine has no prior experience, and frankly his attitude isnt helping Darkfall one bit.Seriously I can point you in the direction of some good training vidoes for dealing with the public Tasos, you obviously need help.
I applaud MMORPG.COM for finally busting this guys chops like they should have been years ago. Not only did you get them out there, but you exposed the guy for the unprofessional hack that he really is.
A step in the right direction for Darkfall would be to fire this inexperienced jackanape and get someone in there who can handle tough questions without coming off like a petulant child.
That was a nice interview, thanks mmorpg.com! I have to admit Tasos is pretty good with his words. No wonder he has a huge community to back him up. I rather take straight answers than cute puppy answers, like Gaute had. Always brown nosing.
Let's just hope this game pops out eventually. I have to admit though, this is the first mmorpg I WONT be preordering, no matter how good it sounds. So much rumours around it.
Anyways, +1 to Darkfall and Tasos. Let's see if you can deliver.
I really liked the interview, it was very "Darkfally". It more or less said "If you dont like it...get the *¤#% out!".
Maybe people isnt ready for that kind of attitude? Most people are used to developers saying things that people want to hear. But not Tasos, he said what he was thinking : )
And with all the bullshit Aventurine have taken over the years, i cant bliame him. Soon it might be over. Darkfall is released and everyone can go back to whatever they want.
But the "petulant child" you describe him as is exactly the mentality of his blind faith followers. These immature piss-ants are mostly likely the kind of people who will be playing his game (if it even is playable, yet to be determined).
So he's just basically catering to the lowest common denominator... His fans.
meh most of forumfall thought that it was cool he answerd the way msot people would. just tells me he snot going to crumble under the crying about open pvp and stuf and change the game.
but the good thing is hes not costimer support hes just a guy that gives us updates. if oyu dont like it all well . if the game is good i bet most people dont care what he says as long as it isnt out right lieing
he just answerd honestly and honestly he always been this way i dont really care as long as the game is good and actully works