What we need to learn is to pick the hate from the reality. Most fanboys think that any critic is ´hate´, and therefore it helps to hurt the game itself, for all critics help to improve the game in a way or another. I think that Tasos is totally lost on it. A so secret beta test only means that there is no confidence in the game (specially so near the launch). The arrogance of the PR have been seen on PoBS, and we all know today the ´no crying on red circle´ mantra by now, and how PoBS is a joke nowdays... We dont want to that to happen on DFO, at least the ones who pursue the dream of a GOOD game, not the game itself (be it godd or bad). DFO has an incridible concept, but the reality, today, teached us to be a little more... cautious... D&L. PoBS, AoC teached us a lesson... Great hype, arrogant devs and too promises with very low ´showing it up´ (like the marvelous PvP on battlekeeps, of AoC, the jewel of the crown, or the DX10, never show on beta but promised as ´certain´ until the launch) is a sign of great disaster... And all those points are HUGE on DFO.. (the hype on DFO is higher than the AoC, the arrogance of Tasos is far bigger than even the PoBS devs, and the secrecy of the main features we cant even start with, since we only knew of a ´ghost beta´, without even notices of ANYTHING, and VERY near the launch). I am worried about it, everyday without notices of the beta (the real one, I mean) makes me a little more skeptical about DFO. Notice that I still love the game (the concept of it, I mean), and I really hope that ll those bad signs are only a terrible coincidence...
Well said. I don't understand the level of hostility shown towards this game just because it's not trying to follow the big marketing budget hype formula of other MMOs. Putting the game's development before ALL other considerations surely has to be admired, no? It's like some of the posters here *want* big MMO companies to continue releasing half-finished titles and expecting gamers to pay them to fix it.
The fact there is almost 200K+ forum/beta subscribers for Darkfall with 5K new subs added every week with *zero* marketing dollars spent is amazing.
Kudos to aventurine, and i sincerely hope they do well, because the MMO genre and industry NEEDs a shakeup.
I think most of the "hate" is directed towards Tasos. No self-respecting company would allow someone so unprofessional to handle PR. If such things happens, one must wonder why: is it because lack of funds to hire a professional? If so, then the followup question would be: is this just another scam intended to rip people "Dark and Light" style?
Im speculating here but if they have no money to do real PR or advertising, they go for the shock factor. They try to stirr up some flames to bring DF to attention. It doesn't matter if a lot of people voice their doubtsabout the game, some people will try the game regardless of the general view.
A game with so little information so close to release screms to me "im a failure". But we will have to wait and see what will actualy happen. Who knows, maybe everyone will suddenly love open FFA and full loot system. I know i wont.
Most hate is directed towards the game Darkfall, not Tasos.
Many carebears fears there own game will suffer subscription losses if Darkfall is a success. They're plain egocentric.
Again the word is "skepticism", learn the difference, when you use the word "hate" in such an improper manner it just lends to other derogatory labels. Also using desultery words like "Carebears" just lessens others opinion of you. Trying to demean others because they don't enjoy the same play style as you, just negates any opinions you might express.
I don't think that anyone that has two feet on the ground is worried about Darkfall being successful. A harsh world like they are proposing will never have a large audience, that is a given. So who is the egocentric on here?
Most hate is directed towards the game Darkfall, not Tasos. Many carebears fears there own game will suffer subscription losses if Darkfall is a success. They're plain egocentric.
I think people who play non-open PvP games would only rejoice when annoying little kids who love open PvP only because they can kill someone 10 levels below them with no consequences. So no, you are wrong there.
Most people dont really have any solid info on DF, so their "hate" that you think they have is not hate but just legit doubt.
Velika: City of Wheels: Among the mortal races, the humans were the only one that never built cities or great empires; a curse laid upon them by their creator, Gidd, forced them to wander as nomads for twenty centuries...
prove it. link me the compiled info for another *pre-release* MMO that has more released info.
most people who troll and diss Darkfall are apparently just not bright enough to use google...
Here's proof... there is no open beta. Anything you say may be just a PR or an advertisement. Only public access to a game would mean that there is enough information about the game to make a valid opinion. Anything private is just that, an opinion of someone who is affiliated with the game. Even if there is a preview by an independent magazine or game website, even then its just one single opinion. Definitely not enough.
If there is no public beta or public access to the game, then anything you read about DF may be propaganda, trollism, fanboism, advertisement or just simply outdated information. And we all know that game changes so much that what you are told is now, may not be so at the release.
Wow. Awesome interview from Tasos. Terrible questioning, MMORPG.com really missed an opportunity to ask good, technical questions and specific gameplay mechanics questions. Even if Tasos had refused to answer every single one, the attempt would have been laudable.
I love how annoyed Tasos became with the aweful "vapo" questions. He really poked this community in the eye, which is by far the worst gaming community I've ever come across. I'm very happy to see that. MMORPG.com posters are a tiny portion of the gaming community and are not representative of the overall population by any stretch. Most people have figured out that if you want to actually discuss the game, darkfall.com forums are the place to do it, not this trashy site.
Wow. Awesome interview from Tasos. Terrible questioning, MMORPG.com really missed an opportunity to ask good, technical questions and specific gameplay mechanics questions. Even if Tasos had refused to answer every single one, the attempt would have been laudable. I love how annoyed Tasos became with the aweful "vapo" questions. He really poked this community in the eye, which is by far the worst gaming community I've ever come across. I'm very happy to see that. MMORPG.com posters are a tiny portion of the gaming community and are not representative of the overall population by any stretch. Most people have figured out that if you want to actually discuss the game, darkfall.com forums are the place to do it, not this trashy site. Nice work Tasos.
Now that is kind of funny, since you can't discuss anything on the Darkfall forums because of all the noise from blind faith adherents. Most of us realists have seen this happen time after time. Great expectations dashed upon gameplay of a month or two. While anything is possible, the attitude of Tasos prepares most of us for the expected crash of expectations.
I think the only tiny portion of the gaming community are those that post on the Darkfall forums. I have seen more nonsense posted there then anywhere else.
Here is what you are going to see come January. The game will release and most probably work decently at the lower levels of play. Expect a lot of promised functions to either be not in game, turned off or not working correctly. The best thing is to expect a mediocre game at first and hope they have the time to fix it before the funders pull the plug.
Hopefully this won't be another Dark and Light episode. Remember Eve started out a bit shaky, but it is doing pretty well now, so small indy shops can be a success.
Originally posted by Domenicus What we need to learn is to pick the hate from the reality. Most fanboys think that any critic is ´hate´, and therefore it helps to hurt the game itself, for all critics help to improve the game in a way or another. I think that Tasos is totally lost on it. A so secret beta test only means that there is no confidence in the game (specially so near the launch). The arrogance of the PR have been seen on PoBS, and we all know today the ´no crying on red circle´ mantra by now, and how PoBS is a joke nowdays... We dont want to that to happen on DFO, at least the ones who pursue the dream of a GOOD game, not the game itself (be it godd or bad). DFO has an incridible concept, but the reality, today, teached us to be a little more... cautious... D&L. PoBS, AoC teached us a lesson... Great hype, arrogant devs and too promises with very low ´showing it up´ (like the marvelous PvP on battlekeeps, of AoC, the jewel of the crown, or the DX10, never show on beta but promised as ´certain´ until the launch) is a sign of great disaster... And all those points are HUGE on DFO.. (the hype on DFO is higher than the AoC, the arrogance of Tasos is far bigger than even the PoBS devs, and the secrecy of the main features we cant even start with, since we only knew of a ´ghost beta´, without even notices of ANYTHING, and VERY near the launch). I am worried about it, everyday without notices of the beta (the real one, I mean) makes me a little more skeptical about DFO. Notice that I still love the game (the concept of it, I mean), and I really hope that ll those bad signs are only a terrible coincidence...
Did you seriously say teached?
I couldn't think of anything else after I got to that point sorry.
Darkfall is coming, and it will be either good or bad. We will see when it comes. But it is coming, and Aventurine is serious about this.
"There are two great powers, and they've been fighting since time began. Every advance in human life, every scrap of knowledge and wisdom and decency we have has been torn by one side from the teeth of the other. Every little increase in human freedom has been fought over ferociously between those who want us to know more and be wiser and stronger, and those who want us to obey and be humble and submit."
John Parry, to his son Will; "The Subtle Knife," by Phillip Pullman
What we need to learn is to pick the hate from the reality. Most fanboys think that any critic is ´hate´, and therefore it helps to hurt the game itself, for all critics help to improve the game in a way or another.
I think that Tasos is totally lost on it. A so secret beta test only means that there is no confidence in the game (specially so near the launch). The arrogance of the PR have been seen on PoBS, and we all know today the ´no crying on red circle´ mantra by now, and how PoBS is a joke nowdays... We dont want to that to happen on DFO, at least the ones who pursue the dream of a GOOD game, not the game itself (be it godd or bad).
DFO has an incridible concept, but the reality, today, teached us to be a little more... cautious... D&L. PoBS, AoC teached us a lesson... Great hype, arrogant devs and too promises with very low ´showing it up´ (like the marvelous PvP on battlekeeps, of AoC, the jewel of the crown, or the DX10, never show on beta but promised as ´certain´ until the launch) is a sign of great disaster... And all those points are HUGE on DFO.. (the hype on DFO is higher than the AoC, the arrogance of Tasos is far bigger than even the PoBS devs, and the secrecy of the main features we cant even start with, since we only knew of a ´ghost beta´, without even notices of ANYTHING, and VERY near the launch).
I am worried about it, everyday without notices of the beta (the real one, I mean) makes me a little more skeptical about DFO. Notice that I still love the game (the concept of it, I mean), and I really hope that ll those bad signs are only a terrible coincidence...
Did you seriously say teached?
I couldn't think of anything else after I got to that point sorry.
Darkfall is coming, and it will be either good or bad. We will see when it comes. But it is coming, and Aventurine is serious about this.
A quick check of Domenicus's profile - took about 5 seconds - shows he's from Brazil. I'd say it's a safe bet English isn't his first language. Still, I can understand what he's saying perfectly fine.
If you can't get past him saying "teached" instead of "taught", and respond to what he's saying instead of how he's saying it, then I would say the problem isn't with his grammar.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
I keep noticing posters defending Tasos. I just have to ask the question, what has this guy done to make you believers? If you sit back and think about it, it is easy to make a case of unbelievability against this guy. He has no success record, not one of his statements can be backed up with proof, as no game to date has been kept under such a cloud of secrecy as this one. Past history shows promises never kept, and a consistent me against the world attitude.
Very simple... He's involved with a game they are eagerly awaiting and believe will be THE game they've all been waiting for. So, they're going to stand behind him or anyone else involved with the game, deem anything they say as gospel, and defend any behavior as "justified".
It's no different than people who bought into McQuaid's "Vision" for Vanguard and defended him tooth and nail, calling any nay-sayers "trolls" and "haters". Or the people who stood firmly lby Richard Garriot's hype for TR... Or any other similar situation one can point to.
They are absolutely convinced that Tasos is going to deliver the game they've been waiting for - because he's said so - so anything he says or does, however unprofessional or unwarranted it would be considered in any other setting.
Rose-colored glasses.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
"So I would say that our development time is consistent with the making a breakthrough game, all the reusable technology to run it, and limited resources to do so. It's a long time, sure...but not for what we've achieved." This statement comes off as very arrogant. It is not the developer who decides what is a breakthrough game, or what they have achieved. It is the players. Right now, Aventurine has not released anything breakthrough and they have achieved nothing in the realm of MMO games. These things can only happen after release. So a person is arrogant if he's proud on what he has archieved? Maybe they just delivered what they promised and have no major buggs? Also the feedback from the beta testers seems to be really positive. If you really have archieved something, you aren't arrogant just because you aren't super modest about it. It's not like he said "everything else is stupid and we just made the MMORPG of the millenium - everyone who thinks differently is stupid!!1".
Umm... you're responding to a point that he didn't make.
It's not arrogant to be proud of what you've accomplished... And that's not what Daemon said.
What he said, in detail, is that it's arrogant to declare your own product as "a breakthrough game", before it's even released. It's not the developer who makes that declaration, but those playing and reviewing it.
In that sense, Daemon is correct. It was an arrogant statement to make.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
I would guess, 30+ pages tonight alone! We need some marketing!=)
While I recognize the sarcasm intended in this comment..
The sheer ignorance of it is remarkable.
Yes, some traditional marketing would benefit DF. No, a highly active forum thread does not change that. Why? Because even if this thread reached 200 pages... By and large, the only people who would know it exists are those who come to mmorpg.com and follow DF anyway.
You think a thread like this is going to get the attention of someone who barely even knows this site exists, much less this thread?
Come on.
Try it out.. Talk to someone you know who's an avid gamer and, perhaps, forum savvy, but not necessarily very aware of DF. Ask them what they think of the discussion thread for the interview with Tasos about DF on mmorpg.com. Just like that. Don't qualify it or try to influence the answer by saying how many pages it is, etc. etc. Chances are they won't even know what you're talking about.
So yes... despite how popular this particular thread, on this particular site is.. it does not = "marketing".
A forum thread is not marketing. It's more like preaching to the choir.
As has been said in this thread, Marketing is intended to reach people who *wouldn't* otherwise know of a product. For a pre-release game it comes in the form of doing interviews and previews with various gaming magazines and websites, especially major ones. An interview is free publicity that benefits both the company and the publication. The developer gets exposure for their product, the publication gets an article to print. It's a win-win situation.
So, objectively speaking, it is odd that they would actively avoid doing such a thing, whatever their stated reasons. Especially so when the lackluster results of other MMOs has so often been attributed to a lack of sufficient marketing; that "hardly anyone even knew it existed".
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
I would guess, 30+ pages tonight alone! We need some marketing!=)
While I recognize the sarcasm intended in this comment..
The sheer ignorance of it is remarkable.
Yes, some traditional marketing would benefit DF. No, a highly active forum thread does not change that. Why? Because even if this thread reached 200 pages... By and large, the only people who would know it exists are those who come to mmorpg.com and follow DF anyway.
You think a thread like this is going to get the attention of someone who barely even knows this site exists, much less this thread?
Come on.
Try it out.. Talk to someone you know who's an avid gamer and, perhaps, forum savvy, but not necessarily very aware of DF. Ask them what they think of the discussion thread for the interview with Tasos about DF on mmorpg.com. Just like that. Don't qualify it or try to influence the answer by saying how many pages it is, etc. etc. Chances are they won't even know what you're talking about.
So yes... despite how popular this particular thread, on this particular site is.. it does not = "marketing".
A forum thread is not marketing. It's more like preaching to the choir.
As has been said in this thread, Marketing is intended to reach people who *wouldn't* otherwise know of a product. For a pre-release game it comes in the form of doing interviews and previews with various gaming magazines and websites, especially major ones. An interview is free publicity that benefits both the company and the publication. The developer gets exposure for their product, the publication gets an article to print. It's a win-win situation.
So, objectively speaking, it is odd that they would actively avoid doing such a thing, whatever their stated reasons. Especially so when the lackluster results of other MMOs has so often been attributed to a lack of sufficient marketing; that "hardly anyone even knew it existed".
Well said and straight to the point. Especially the last paragraph. Lack of advertising, marketing, public beta worries me. Any game that is so secret raises a red flag: "WARNING: procede with caution".
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ghost beta wtf are you talking about
I think most of the "hate" is directed towards Tasos. No self-respecting company would allow someone so unprofessional to handle PR. If such things happens, one must wonder why: is it because lack of funds to hire a professional? If so, then the followup question would be: is this just another scam intended to rip people "Dark and Light" style?
Im speculating here but if they have no money to do real PR or advertising, they go for the shock factor. They try to stirr up some flames to bring DF to attention. It doesn't matter if a lot of people voice their doubtsabout the game, some people will try the game regardless of the general view.
A game with so little information so close to release screms to me "im a failure". But we will have to wait and see what will actualy happen. Who knows, maybe everyone will suddenly love open FFA and full loot system. I know i wont.
Most hate is directed towards the game Darkfall, not Tasos.
Many carebears fears there own game will suffer subscription losses if Darkfall is a success. They're plain egocentric.
Again the word is "skepticism", learn the difference, when you use the word "hate" in such an improper manner it just lends to other derogatory labels. Also using desultery words like "Carebears" just lessens others opinion of you. Trying to demean others because they don't enjoy the same play style as you, just negates any opinions you might express.
I don't think that anyone that has two feet on the ground is worried about Darkfall being successful. A harsh world like they are proposing will never have a large audience, that is a given. So who is the egocentric on here?
I think people who play non-open PvP games would only rejoice when annoying little kids who love open PvP only because they can kill someone 10 levels below them with no consequences. So no, you are wrong there.
Most people dont really have any solid info on DF, so their "hate" that you think they have is not hate but just legit doubt.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
The problem with this is that it's just so false: there is more info out there for Darkfall than for any other pre-launch MMO....
The problem with this is that it's just so false: there is more info out there for Darkfall than for any other pre-launch MMO....
I don't think so bro, It falls way short.
Velika: City of Wheels: Among the mortal races, the humans were the only one that never built cities or great empires; a curse laid upon them by their creator, Gidd, forced them to wander as nomads for twenty centuries...
prove it. link me the compiled info for another *pre-release* MMO that has more released info.
most people who troll and diss Darkfall are apparently just not bright enough to use google...
prove it. link me the compiled info for another *pre-release* MMO that has more released info.
most people who troll and diss Darkfall are apparently just not bright enough to use google...
Here's proof... there is no open beta. Anything you say may be just a PR or an advertisement. Only public access to a game would mean that there is enough information about the game to make a valid opinion. Anything private is just that, an opinion of someone who is affiliated with the game. Even if there is a preview by an independent magazine or game website, even then its just one single opinion. Definitely not enough.
If there is no public beta or public access to the game, then anything you read about DF may be propaganda, trollism, fanboism, advertisement or just simply outdated information. And we all know that game changes so much that what you are told is now, may not be so at the release.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
Wow. Awesome interview from Tasos. Terrible questioning, MMORPG.com really missed an opportunity to ask good, technical questions and specific gameplay mechanics questions. Even if Tasos had refused to answer every single one, the attempt would have been laudable.
I love how annoyed Tasos became with the aweful "vapo" questions. He really poked this community in the eye, which is by far the worst gaming community I've ever come across. I'm very happy to see that. MMORPG.com posters are a tiny portion of the gaming community and are not representative of the overall population by any stretch. Most people have figured out that if you want to actually discuss the game, darkfall.com forums are the place to do it, not this trashy site.
Nice work Tasos.
Now that is kind of funny, since you can't discuss anything on the Darkfall forums because of all the noise from blind faith adherents. Most of us realists have seen this happen time after time. Great expectations dashed upon gameplay of a month or two. While anything is possible, the attitude of Tasos prepares most of us for the expected crash of expectations.
I think the only tiny portion of the gaming community are those that post on the Darkfall forums. I have seen more nonsense posted there then anywhere else.
Here is what you are going to see come January. The game will release and most probably work decently at the lower levels of play. Expect a lot of promised functions to either be not in game, turned off or not working correctly. The best thing is to expect a mediocre game at first and hope they have the time to fix it before the funders pull the plug.
Hopefully this won't be another Dark and Light episode. Remember Eve started out a bit shaky, but it is doing pretty well now, so small indy shops can be a success.
Sorry but i dont see on this game nothing special!
Did you seriously say teached?
I couldn't think of anything else after I got to that point sorry.
Darkfall is coming, and it will be either good or bad. We will see when it comes. But it is coming, and Aventurine is serious about this.
"There are two great powers, and they've been fighting since time began. Every advance in human life, every scrap of knowledge and wisdom and decency we have has been torn by one side from the teeth of the other. Every little increase in human freedom has been fought over ferociously between those who want us to know more and be wiser and stronger, and those who want us to obey and be humble and submit."
John Parry, to his son Will; "The Subtle Knife," by Phillip Pullman
Did you seriously say teached?
I couldn't think of anything else after I got to that point sorry.
Darkfall is coming, and it will be either good or bad. We will see when it comes. But it is coming, and Aventurine is serious about this.
A quick check of Domenicus's profile - took about 5 seconds - shows he's from Brazil. I'd say it's a safe bet English isn't his first language. Still, I can understand what he's saying perfectly fine.
If you can't get past him saying "teached" instead of "taught", and respond to what he's saying instead of how he's saying it, then I would say the problem isn't with his grammar.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
I keep noticing posters defending Tasos. I just have to ask the question, what has this guy done to make you believers? If you sit back and think about it, it is easy to make a case of unbelievability against this guy. He has no success record, not one of his statements can be backed up with proof, as no game to date has been kept under such a cloud of secrecy as this one. Past history shows promises never kept, and a consistent me against the world attitude.
Very simple... He's involved with a game they are eagerly awaiting and believe will be THE game they've all been waiting for. So, they're going to stand behind him or anyone else involved with the game, deem anything they say as gospel, and defend any behavior as "justified".
It's no different than people who bought into McQuaid's "Vision" for Vanguard and defended him tooth and nail, calling any nay-sayers "trolls" and "haters". Or the people who stood firmly lby Richard Garriot's hype for TR... Or any other similar situation one can point to.
They are absolutely convinced that Tasos is going to deliver the game they've been waiting for - because he's said so - so anything he says or does, however unprofessional or unwarranted it would be considered in any other setting.
Rose-colored glasses.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Umm... you're responding to a point that he didn't make.
It's not arrogant to be proud of what you've accomplished... And that's not what Daemon said.
What he said, in detail, is that it's arrogant to declare your own product as "a breakthrough game", before it's even released. It's not the developer who makes that declaration, but those playing and reviewing it.
In that sense, Daemon is correct. It was an arrogant statement to make.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
While I recognize the sarcasm intended in this comment..
The sheer ignorance of it is remarkable.
Yes, some traditional marketing would benefit DF. No, a highly active forum thread does not change that. Why? Because even if this thread reached 200 pages... By and large, the only people who would know it exists are those who come to mmorpg.com and follow DF anyway.
You think a thread like this is going to get the attention of someone who barely even knows this site exists, much less this thread?
Come on.
Try it out.. Talk to someone you know who's an avid gamer and, perhaps, forum savvy, but not necessarily very aware of DF. Ask them what they think of the discussion thread for the interview with Tasos about DF on mmorpg.com. Just like that. Don't qualify it or try to influence the answer by saying how many pages it is, etc. etc. Chances are they won't even know what you're talking about.
So yes... despite how popular this particular thread, on this particular site is.. it does not = "marketing".
A forum thread is not marketing. It's more like preaching to the choir.
As has been said in this thread, Marketing is intended to reach people who *wouldn't* otherwise know of a product. For a pre-release game it comes in the form of doing interviews and previews with various gaming magazines and websites, especially major ones. An interview is free publicity that benefits both the company and the publication. The developer gets exposure for their product, the publication gets an article to print. It's a win-win situation.
So, objectively speaking, it is odd that they would actively avoid doing such a thing, whatever their stated reasons. Especially so when the lackluster results of other MMOs has so often been attributed to a lack of sufficient marketing; that "hardly anyone even knew it existed".
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
While I recognize the sarcasm intended in this comment..
The sheer ignorance of it is remarkable.
Yes, some traditional marketing would benefit DF. No, a highly active forum thread does not change that. Why? Because even if this thread reached 200 pages... By and large, the only people who would know it exists are those who come to mmorpg.com and follow DF anyway.
You think a thread like this is going to get the attention of someone who barely even knows this site exists, much less this thread?
Come on.
Try it out.. Talk to someone you know who's an avid gamer and, perhaps, forum savvy, but not necessarily very aware of DF. Ask them what they think of the discussion thread for the interview with Tasos about DF on mmorpg.com. Just like that. Don't qualify it or try to influence the answer by saying how many pages it is, etc. etc. Chances are they won't even know what you're talking about.
So yes... despite how popular this particular thread, on this particular site is.. it does not = "marketing".
A forum thread is not marketing. It's more like preaching to the choir.
As has been said in this thread, Marketing is intended to reach people who *wouldn't* otherwise know of a product. For a pre-release game it comes in the form of doing interviews and previews with various gaming magazines and websites, especially major ones. An interview is free publicity that benefits both the company and the publication. The developer gets exposure for their product, the publication gets an article to print. It's a win-win situation.
So, objectively speaking, it is odd that they would actively avoid doing such a thing, whatever their stated reasons. Especially so when the lackluster results of other MMOs has so often been attributed to a lack of sufficient marketing; that "hardly anyone even knew it existed".
Well said and straight to the point. Especially the last paragraph. Lack of advertising, marketing, public beta worries me. Any game that is so secret raises a red flag: "WARNING: procede with caution".
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
I believe this interview was photoshopped. MMORPG is vaporware.
why would anyone take you seriously with a name like that? just stick to ciggys from now on because, parnoia will destroyah
why would anyone take you seriously with a name like that? just stick to ciggys from now on because, parnoia will destroyah
sad state.... nonstoners don't come with humor or sarcasm detectors anymore it seems
why would anyone take you seriously with a name like that? just stick to ciggys from now on because, parnoia will destroyah
sad state.... nonstoners don't come with humor or sarcasm detectors anymore it seems
QFT
*reaches for bong*