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Darkfall: Interview with Tasos Flambouras

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  • Whiskeyjack1Whiskeyjack1 Member Posts: 169

    Tasos Interview 2009 : "what? I said in '08 as in 3008. Puny Mortals. Only if you follow me blindly will you be around to play it , "

    You fanbois are the reason cults are so easy to start....

  • daelnordaelnor Member UncommonPosts: 1,556


    Originally posted by Master25
    *sigh* the trolls keep denying darkfalls existence till the end.
    Lemme ask you something, why do you hate on DF?
    The answer ''Because they never release it'' is retarded, because if you don't care about the game what's the fucking point of following it?
     
    Tasos an echo maniac? yea right, read the post from the AoC dev against DF.
    That someone can be such a baby, unbelievable.
     
    AoC, buggy game, still tons of things not working correctly.
    Hey! let's fix it by implementing DX10!!!

    How do you expect to be taken even remotely seriously when you don't even make sense and start cursing?

    what the hell is an echo maniac? That's not even a typo...that's just stupidity.

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  • damian7damian7 Member Posts: 4,449
    Originally posted by xaldraxius


     

    Originally posted by qombi
    Originally posted by Arcken
    Originally posted by grimfall
    Originally posted by Arcken I never thought I would dislike Tasos more than I did before I read this interview, but alas I have been proven wrong. He was so unprofessional in this interview, Id like to know how he got this job in the first place. He comes off as snippish, arrogant, and just plain rude. Ive seen front desk clerks in motel 6s come across with more professionalism than this guy can muster. Frankly I dont think hes cut out for the job, he, like Aventurine has no prior experience, and frankly his attitude isnt helping Darkfall one bit.Seriously I can point you in the direction of some good training vidoes for dealing with the public Tasos, you obviously need help. I applaud MMORPG.COM for finally busting this guys chops like they should have been years ago. Not only did you get them out there, but you exposed the guy for the unprofessional hack that he really is. A step in the right direction for Darkfall would be to fire this inexperienced jackanape and get someone in there who can handle tough questions without coming off like a petulant child.  
      You should read the interview before you comment on it.  He was slightly defensive when asked two questions that were clearly biased.  Go accuse the CEO of any major corporation of deceiving the public and see how they respond.  Better yet, turn on CSPN and watch these three guys from The Big Three talk to Congress.  You should also probably quit frequenting Motel 6's if you're going to be conducting training courses on how presidents should do media relations.

      Anyone who has ever dont PR, or even customer service would grimace at his attitude. Frankly I dont see many people in CEO positions stooping to slang terminology in response to criticism. A consumate professional would have addressed the questions without coming off like hes miffed. The man has no previous experience doing this job, and it shows. P.S. He shouldnt have been "slightly defensive" he shouldnt have been defensive at all, its not hard to dismiss criticism, or explain the problem in question logically, and without anger.

      I would rather him be a passionate game developer with a vision than a marketing pro that blows smoke up our butts. How about you? I for one am tired of the crap that is churned out today they call MMOPRGs, where their biggest budget is for PR and kissing the customers behind.

    I agree. Tasos shoots from the hip. He doesn't pander to the kiddies like he's advertising a Disney Movie or something. You would think that after the sweet talk and hype from companies like FunCom and Mythic that Tasos's brand of honest, no nonsense answers would be like a breath of fresh air. But you just can't please some people no matter what you do.

     



     

     

    i would thoroughly enjoy answers to the questions asked, which actually made sense.

    alas, we got what we got instead.

    could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?

  • damian7damian7 Member Posts: 4,449
    Originally posted by xxpigxx


    No . . . what is funny here is all the trolls trying to backstep
     
     



     

    what's funnier is the end of the trailer which states that darkfall will be released in 2008.

     

    but, it's not the first time for this game, is it? 

    could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?

  • ArckenArcken Member Posts: 2,431
    Originally posted by damian7

    Originally posted by xxpigxx


    No . . . what is funny here is all the trolls trying to backstep
     
     



     

    what's funnier is the end of the trailer which states that darkfall will be released in 2008.

     

    but, it's not the first time for this game, is it? 



     

    Going back on the release date again? Theres your backstepping.

  • daelnordaelnor Member UncommonPosts: 1,556


    actully this has been convered in journal but it wasnt full of details how but yea they found a way to do tis called npc/ai that cause just as much stress as real players. also you can packet spam the server.
    but ir emeber taoss saying the server cant till the diffrence between a real player and the npc/bots/ai in game
      pretty good hint how they did it



    Didn't AOC say the same thing??? Look where that got them at release...

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  • daelnordaelnor Member UncommonPosts: 1,556


    Originally posted by nooblicon
    If more developers spent their time actually making their game better and delivering on promises rather than hyping up their own game, we'd have fewer Vanguard, AOC, WAR, Tabula Rasa games and more good ones.
     
    Hopefully DF will deliver, but I don't see how people can question the decision of Aventurine to wisely spend their money on development rather than advertising.
     
    You have $200,000USD. Do you:
    A. spend it to hire 4 more skilled people to add to the development team
    B. spend it on advertising in the many countries in which this game will release
     
    Which option will actually make the game better?

    C. Don't try and develop a game with $200,000 because it is an impossible task?

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  • kazmokazmo Member Posts: 715
    Originally posted by daelnor


     

    Originally posted by nooblicon

    If more developers spent their time actually making their game better and delivering on promises rather than hyping up their own game, we'd have fewer Vanguard, AOC, WAR, Tabula Rasa games and more good ones.

     

    Hopefully DF will deliver, but I don't see how people can question the decision of Aventurine to wisely spend their money on development rather than advertising.

     

    You have $200,000USD. Do you:

    A. spend it to hire 4 more skilled people to add to the development team

    B. spend it on advertising in the many countries in which this game will release

     

    Which option will actually make the game better?

     

    C. Don't try and develop a game with $200,000 because it is an impossible task?

     

    That isn't what was stated.



    They are saying that if they had 200,000 leftover towards the end of the development -



    Would they use it touch up a lot of things or use it to shamefully hype the game.



    Just an example obviously, no real numbers floating around.

  • damian7damian7 Member Posts: 4,449
    Originally posted by nileq

    Originally posted by Arcken

    Originally posted by grimfall

    Originally posted by Arcken


    I never thought I would dislike Tasos more than I did before I read this interview, but alas I have been proven wrong.
    He was so unprofessional in this interview, Id like to know how he got this job in the first place. He comes off as snippish, arrogant, and just plain rude. Ive seen front desk clerks in motel 6s come across with more professionalism than this guy can muster.
    Frankly I dont think hes cut out for the job, he, like Aventurine has no prior experience, and frankly his attitude isnt helping Darkfall one bit.Seriously I can point you in the direction of some good training vidoes for dealing with the public Tasos, you obviously need help.
    I applaud MMORPG.COM for finally busting this guys chops like they should have been years ago. Not only did you get them out there, but you exposed the guy for the unprofessional hack that he really is.
    A step in the right direction for Darkfall would be to fire this inexperienced jackanape and get someone in there who can handle tough questions without coming off like a petulant child.
     



     

    You should read the interview before you comment on it.  He was slightly defensive when asked two questions that were clearly biased.  Go accuse the CEO of any major corporation of deceiving the public and see how they respond.  Better yet, turn on CSPN and watch these three guys from The Big Three talk to Congress. 

    You should also probably quit frequenting Motel 6's if you're going to be conducting training courses on how presidents should do media relations.



     

    Anyone who has ever dont PR, or even customer service would grimace at his attitude. Frankly I dont see many people in CEO positions stooping to slang terminology in response to criticism.

    A consumate professional would have addressed the questions without coming off like hes miffed.

    The man has no previous experience doing this job, and it shows.

    P.S. He shouldnt have been "slightly defensive" he shouldnt have been defensive at all, its not hard to dismiss criticism, or explain the problem in question logically, and without anger.



     

    hey guess what?

    It's a FFA/PVP Full Loot game, if you think Tasos is to hard for your sencible mind, don't bother playing the game.

    And I'll guess you would recommend him to use your own tactics instead of saying that the trolls suck? 

    Talking around and around never getting to any kind of point.. oh no yuo already accuesed him of doing that and then you said it was a BAD thing..



     

    coming from someone that's played UO during the dread lord days and that has been playing eve online for a while now... tasos doesn't strike me as hardcore at all.  unprofessional is a good term however.  he's the face of the company to the (potential) customer base.  do you want to hear crap like "no whining in the red circle" from him if the game ever gets to retail?

    am i missing the ingame footage which actually shows a lot of the "stuff" that i see on the darkfall website?  something like 17 minutes of a video and all i saw was typical classes.  i didn't see where anyone crossed over to anything outside of a standard fantasy class. 

    i keep "hearing" a lot of stuff about this supposed game.  not seeing it.  seeing a lot of fanbois hyping the game to expectations that can't be met, especially by vaporware.  i would love to be proved wrong.  would love to.  would love for a great game to come out.  not holding my breath on it being this game.

     

    could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?

  • damian7damian7 Member Posts: 4,449
    Originally posted by AOD_Rywo


    *sigh of relief*  Release date January 22, 2009.  I can hear the sound of vaportrolls dying from here.



     

    seriously, posts like this amaze me.

    could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?

  • damian7damian7 Member Posts: 4,449
    Originally posted by Arcken

    Originally posted by damian7

    Originally posted by xxpigxx


    No . . . what is funny here is all the trolls trying to backstep
     
     



     

    what's funnier is the end of the trailer which states that darkfall will be released in 2008.

     

    but, it's not the first time for this game, is it? 



     

    Going back on the release date again? Theres your backstepping.



     

    the release date was changed.

     

    never said i believed that a quality game would ever come from this.  nor did i stated i believed that a game that's playable would be released.  nor did i state that i believe that anything will be released into retail at all.

     

    but, let's get a couple of things straight and in plain english so that anyone can understand, shall we?

     

    a LOT of the vaporware trolls have called the game vaporware because of the ZERO information released over the years.  a LOT of the supposed vaporware trolls have been following the game for YEARS longer than the so-called fanbois.

    making a couple of posts on some random forum about how you're some super fanboi, doesn't mean anything to anyone ever.   ever.

     

    i hope a game like what is listed on the website for darkfall would be released. 

    after the history of THIS game, and the obvious inconsistencies in the handful of public statements (which we've really just gotten this year), i honestly doubt darkfall will be that game.

     

    but believe me when i say that every post over-hyping darkfall, made by fanbois, the same fanbois that over-hyped vanguard, aoc, and all the other games.... those posts are doing far more harm than anything a so-called vaporware troll could.

     

    and by the by, did you notice on tasos' april interview where he stated that they would not ever miss a release date?  he didn't state "again", but with a january '09 release date, it seems he has forgotten what is on the lil trailer they released.  honest? 

     

    but please go on, harping on that cutesy little term "vaporware troll".  it's so becoming. 

    could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?

  • Death1942Death1942 Member UncommonPosts: 2,587

    400 posts and maybe 20 are half decent.  can we please lock this thread and move on?

    MMO wish list:

    -Changeable worlds
    -Solid non level based game
    -Sharks with lasers attached to their heads

  • SeggallionSeggallion Member UncommonPosts: 684
    Originally posted by Death1942


    400 posts and maybe 20 are half decent.  can we please lock this thread and move on?

     

    Don't think there is any news that have more posts than this one.

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  • damian7damian7 Member Posts: 4,449
    Originally posted by Death1942


    400 posts and maybe 20 are half decent.  can we please lock this thread and move on?



     

    what?

    could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?

  • smutsmut Member Posts: 250
    Originally posted by kishe


    Look at AoC, long beta...100 million dollars used, hundred more developers, vast marketing campaign: flop
     
    WAR: Long beta, 100 million dollars used, hundred more developers, vast marketing campaign: flop
     
     
    Darkfall: less than 50 developers, 10 million euros used, minimal marketing campaign....they arent arrogant when they say they arent competing with big players...with 10 million euros used on development, they can keep the servers running and developers paid with 10000 or so active subscribers.
     
    its not gonna be a mainstream game, instead of competing with mainstream games, it will be right there with smaller titles and do well against them...it will be competive against smaller titles and find its place in the scene but no, it will not be a wow-killer or killer of any other game that has got hundreds of millions put in it.
     
    Thats my realistic stance on things.
     
     
     
     

     

    So i'm really curious, can you share those iternal subscribers numbers you somehow got with the rest of us? Because to make a claim that war is a flop, you must have some insider info considering there hasn't been any public numbers released except for the 800k registered users PR. So tell us the subscriber numbers you have that led you to believe its a flop. I would love to see it, oh thats right. You cannot provide such a thing. You made it up to try to prove a point. Realistic stance haha, make believe stance is more like it considering your spouting out make belief information.

  • TimacekTimacek Member UncommonPosts: 183

    wohooo finally its here, behind the doors. Iam so very exited. A complex game, freedom gameplay, skillbased and meaningful pvp. Death hurts aye? Yay

    cant wait.

  • Cyborg99Cyborg99 Member Posts: 576

    Wow, Tasos is a jerk. All the "trolling is getting to him so he has to act all defensive. It's ok though because df is gonna fail big time and he'll be poor.

    Trolls = Hardcore
    Fanbois = Carebears


    The only posts I read in threads are my own.

  • downtoearthdowntoearth Member Posts: 3,558
    Originally posted by Cyborg99


    Wow, Tasos is a jerk. All the "trolling is getting to him so he has to act all defensive. It's ok though because df is gonna fail big time and he'll be poor.

     

    you wanna bet?

  • gamerman98gamerman98 Member UncommonPosts: 809


    Originally posted by downtoearth
    Originally posted by Cyborg99 Wow, Tasos is a jerk. All the "trolling is getting to him so he has to act all defensive. It's ok though because df is gonna fail big time and he'll be poor.
     
    you wanna bet?


    sure id love to bet...cuz look around you...look at all of the so called "hardcore" MMOs we have now. DF will just be another small time mmo that casual players will stroll through to see how crappy it is. They wont get rich off of this game at all. I cant wait to see this game fall over after it launches lol.

  • ElaysiaElaysia Member UncommonPosts: 7

    I've read alot of posts that keep talking about the lack of  advertisment and his response to word of mouth. If anyone has ever played Ultima Online, then they damn well know word of mouth is the BEST way to reel people in.  I played UO for 7 years. I myself got at least 20 people playing it, in turn they told their friends, so on and so forth.  It also makes you feel more connected to the game.. like it's your game.

    I liked that he was real in his answers and thought the questions was pretty much what needed to be asked. I want this game to succeed. There is alot of into, alot of screenshots and a good bit of gameplay in the videos I have seen. Looks like it's ready to me. If he wants to take more time, that's cool with me. It needs to be a smooth launch so that it doesn't go the way of Vanguard and many others.

    Also, I read in the beta forums a release date of Jan 22, 2009, for Europe. NA can play it, not sure when it will be released in NA though. I haven't read all the posts so I wasn't sure if that had been mentioned yet.

  • FatGamerFatGamer Member UncommonPosts: 122

    After reading this interview I am more worried than ever. The ego of Tasos is quite see through. They are milking investors and will end up folding ala dark and light. Egos match, don't say fatgamer didn't tell you so when it happens.

     

     

     

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  • DomenicusDomenicus Member UncommonPosts: 290
    Originally posted by damian7

    Originally posted by Dameonk


    What's funny is people keep saying that Tasos' attitude does not matter once the game is released.  This couldn't be further from the truth.
    Think about it.  Game is released.  It's horrible.  (Think DnL horrible) people start leaving in droves and everyone posts that the game needs major fixes.  It's not fun, there's major issues with the gameplay, etc.  And how does Tasos respond?
    "Shut up trolls, our game is the best ever!"
    6 months later Darkfall closes it's doors and we continue to get the watered down linear games that we've been getting for years.
    Do you understand my point?  I WANT Darkfall to succeed.  I'm not even sure if I'll be playing it, but I WANT it to do better than any other game out there.  Do you know why?  So we can get some freaking real MMO games back into this genre!
    Tasos' holier than thou attitude is not conductive to changing a failing product based on legitimate criticism.  This is what worries me.



     

    another good post, summarizes the thinking of a lot of us folk labeled as "vaporware trolls".

     

    fanbois only hurt games, both short term and long term.  look at the laundry list of games to which fanboi'ism has directly contributed to the downfall...

    That´s EXACTLY my feeling.. I fear that the POSSIBLE incompetence of Tasos & cia. (and I believe on it, after  every new interview of Tasos, I sense a lot of b* and very little logic behind his actions) would hurt the ´complex MMO´ world, since DF was constructed as the holy grail of this kind of game (complex, sandbox, etc..), exactly as D&L was... And then the easy-go MMO players (know as Will of Weaks) will tell tht its impossible nowdays a complex, open word, that people need to be drive and do not want to think... And will miss the real point of the possible failure of DF and D&L, the utter incompetence of the dev team due to a major ego problem...

  • ZorvanZorvan Member CommonPosts: 8,912
    Originally posted by nileq

    Originally posted by Domenicus

    Originally posted by damian7

    Originally posted by Dameonk


    What's funny is people keep saying that Tasos' attitude does not matter once the game is released.  This couldn't be further from the truth.
    Think about it.  Game is released.  It's horrible.  (Think DnL horrible) people start leaving in droves and everyone posts that the game needs major fixes.  It's not fun, there's major issues with the gameplay, etc.  And how does Tasos respond?
    "Shut up trolls, our game is the best ever!"
    6 months later Darkfall closes it's doors and we continue to get the watered down linear games that we've been getting for years.
    Do you understand my point?  I WANT Darkfall to succeed.  I'm not even sure if I'll be playing it, but I WANT it to do better than any other game out there.  Do you know why?  So we can get some freaking real MMO games back into this genre!
    Tasos' holier than thou attitude is not conductive to changing a failing product based on legitimate criticism.  This is what worries me.



     

    another good post, summarizes the thinking of a lot of us folk labeled as "vaporware trolls".

     

    fanbois only hurt games, both short term and long term.  look at the laundry list of games to which fanboi'ism has directly contributed to the downfall...

    That´s EXACTLY my feeling.. I fear that the POSSIBLE incompetence of Tasos & cia. (and I believe on it, after  every new interview of Tasos, I sense a lot of b* and very little logic behind his actions) would hurt the ´complex MMO´ world, since DF was constructed as the holy grail of this kind of game (complex, sandbox, etc..), exactly as D&L was... And then the easy-go MMO players (know as Will of Weaks) will tell tht its impossible nowdays a complex, open word, that people need to be drive and do not want to think... And will miss the real point of the possible failure of DF and D&L, the utter incompetence of the dev team due to a major ego problem...



     

    The only ones with big egos running around here are the likes of you. Who the f. are you and what did you contribute to the MMO-world arena?

     

    huh?

     

    Guess nothing is the word you are looking for, hurts dosen't it?

    Good question. We'll let you answer it for starters. Or do you have nothing as well, therefore making your little jab worthless, petty, hypocritical, and downright pathetic?

     

    Take your time to gather all of your references/accomplishments/contributions to the "MMO-world arena".

  • DomenicusDomenicus Member UncommonPosts: 290
    Originally posted by nileq

    Originally posted by Zorvan

    Originally posted by nileq

    Originally posted by Domenicus

    Originally posted by damian7

    Originally posted by Dameonk


    What's funny is people keep saying that Tasos' attitude does not matter once the game is released.  This couldn't be further from the truth.
    Think about it.  Game is released.  It's horrible.  (Think DnL horrible) people start leaving in droves and everyone posts that the game needs major fixes.  It's not fun, there's major issues with the gameplay, etc.  And how does Tasos respond?
    "Shut up trolls, our game is the best ever!"
    6 months later Darkfall closes it's doors and we continue to get the watered down linear games that we've been getting for years.
    Do you understand my point?  I WANT Darkfall to succeed.  I'm not even sure if I'll be playing it, but I WANT it to do better than any other game out there.  Do you know why?  So we can get some freaking real MMO games back into this genre!
    Tasos' holier than thou attitude is not conductive to changing a failing product based on legitimate criticism.  This is what worries me.



     

    another good post, summarizes the thinking of a lot of us folk labeled as "vaporware trolls".

     

    fanbois only hurt games, both short term and long term.  look at the laundry list of games to which fanboi'ism has directly contributed to the downfall...

    That´s EXACTLY my feeling.. I fear that the POSSIBLE incompetence of Tasos & cia. (and I believe on it, after  every new interview of Tasos, I sense a lot of b* and very little logic behind his actions) would hurt the ´complex MMO´ world, since DF was constructed as the holy grail of this kind of game (complex, sandbox, etc..), exactly as D&L was... And then the easy-go MMO players (know as Will of Weaks) will tell tht its impossible nowdays a complex, open word, that people need to be drive and do not want to think... And will miss the real point of the possible failure of DF and D&L, the utter incompetence of the dev team due to a major ego problem...



     

    The only ones with big egos running around here are the likes of you. Who the f. are you and what did you contribute to the MMO-world arena?

     

    huh?

     

    Guess nothing is the word you are looking for, hurts dosen't it?

    Good question. We'll let you answer it for starters. Or do you have nothing as well, therefore making your little jab worthless, petty, hypocritical, and downright pathetic?

     

    Take your time to gather all of your references/accomplishments/contributions to the "MMO-world arena".



     

    haha.. nice try, really nice..

    for the record, I am not the one saying that Tasos is hurting the mmo-community here.

    Since the above poster was doing just that, I asked about his credetials in making that statement, since I suspect he just pulled it out of his ass.

    so I don't have to prove myself.

    Since you asked, maby you could start? I'll just pass the bucket to your ass.. 

    You, however, is the only one asking for ´credentials´... Which is pretty pathetic...  This is a FORUM, everyone in here is ´pulling it out of our asses´ if you havent noticed. The main difference between you and those, are not the ´credentials´, but the utterly lack of understanding of what is a forum. A forum is a place to discuss ideas, agree with those or not. Attacking the ones who have put his idea on a forum is simply stupid, asking for his ´credentials of the ´MMO-world arena´ is stupid AND egocentric.

     

    Its like when someone tells that did not like the soup and you ask him ´what his crdentials for the world cuisine´... Those lines put there are MY idea, and not mine only. Wanna comment them, fine... Dont have how to do it (for lack of arguments or intelligence)? then do not post in here instead of argumenting ´ad hominen´ (Attacking the one who made the statement since the statement itself cant be attacked), its jut too low, even for a MMO forum.

    The difference, also between you and Tasos is, taht Tasos is doing that for the money (of course, and thats not a critic, far from that, its something totally expected, he is selling his game), but you are doing because...? Oh, yeah, to save the ´honor´ of the game of people like me... No, dont worry, I am not asking for your credentials of the ´world mmo-arena´, I would just sound stupid...

    By the way, this ´pause´ in the real discussion was healthy because made me remember something that I havent spoke of yey. Worst than good concepts going bad because of bad developers is the fanboys who support them. Fanboys are the cancer of any wannabe-complex-and-good-MMO, because they feed the egos of the wrong people of MMO industry, blind the market for the truth and utterly destroy any hope of a good game, for their irrational behavior.

  • KshahdooKshahdoo Member Posts: 553

    It was the first interview of this guy I've read. And I haven't followed DF for zillion years like most of mmorpg.com. So I can say I'm pretty fresh and unbiased. And I haven't seen any cockyness and prickness in this interview. To tell the true I agree with guy and could tell pretty much the same if I was him.

    Where are all those "big MMORPGs" with their huge marketing budgets? Where is AoC? Tabula Rasa? Vanguard? WAR to the some extent? And I can't remember a big marketing campaign for WoW. Yes Blizzard spent some money but "word of mouse" did so much more. People've been playing WoW not because marketing but because it's great.

    I bet if DF will turn out to be great we'll see alotta marketing. But no points to ad a game people don't wanna play. DF's developers not sure so far how good or bad people will be on the game so they (developers) just doing their best to make a good one. Everything other can wait.

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