The only ones with big egos running around here are the likes of you. Who the f. are you and what did you contribute to the MMO-world arena?
huh?
Guess nothing is the word you are looking for, hurts dosen't it?
Good question. We'll let you answer it for starters. Or do you have nothing as well, therefore making your little jab worthless, petty, hypocritical, and downright pathetic?
Take your time to gather all of your references/accomplishments/contributions to the "MMO-world arena".
haha.. nice try, really nice..
for the record, I am not the one saying that Tasos is hurting the mmo-community here.
Since the above poster was doing just that, I asked about his credetials in making that statement, since I suspect he just pulled it out of his ass.
so I don't have to prove myself.
Since you asked, maby you could start? I'll just pass the bucket to your ass..
You, however, is the only one asking for ´credentials´... Which is pretty pathetic... This is a FORUM, everyone in here is ´pulling it out of our asses´ if you havent noticed. The main difference between you and those, are not the ´credentials´, but the utterly lack of understanding of what is a forum. A forum is a place to discuss ideas, agree with those or not. Attacking the ones who have put his idea on a forum is simply stupid, asking for his ´credentials of the ´MMO-world arena´ is stupid AND egocentric.
Its like when someone tells that did not like the soup and you ask him ´what his crdentials for the world cuisine´... Those lines put there are MY idea, and not mine only. Wanna comment them, fine... Dont have how to do it (for lack of arguments or intelligence)? then do not post in here instead of argumenting ´ad hominen´ (Attacking the one who made the statement since the statement itself cant be attacked), its jut too low, even for a MMO forum.
The difference, also between you and Tasos is, taht Tasos is doing that for the money (of course, and thats not a critic, far from that, its something totally expected, he is selling his game), but you are doing because...? Oh, yeah, to save the ´honor´ of the game of people like me... No, dont worry, I am not asking for your credentials of the ´world mmo-arena´, I would just sound stupid...
By the way, this ´pause´ in the real discussion was healthy because made me remember something that I havent spoke of yey. Worst than good concepts going bad because of bad developers is the fanboys who support them. Fanboys are the cancer of any wannabe-complex-and-good-MMO, because they feed the egos of the wrong people of MMO industry, blind the market for the truth and utterly destroy any hope of a good game, for their irrational behavior.
Incase you don't know how this works here's a quicklist for you:
1. You make a statement; in this case a future-scrying/prediction the usual stuff that people that for some reason DON'T want a new game to succed.. (can't for the life of me figure out why though..)
2. You get challanged for your statement
3. You provide some sort of evidens/logic for your statement
4. Let the arguing commence!
Now what happend in this particular case was the following:
1. A person wrote some pertty stupid analysis on this forum, with no logic or evidence.
2. I called him out and asked for above.
3. Several other (you included) entered the discussion trying to call me out (on no grounds)
4. The fist persons comment is now discarded as trolling and so are you.
only one problem remains; you'r ass is full of shit so watch it when you pull stuff form there.
MMORPG.com: Darkfall is a game that has many within the MMO community buzzing. Can you tell us why we haven't seen a marketing campaign similar to those conducted pre-launch by many other MMO studios?
Tasos Flambouras: The MMO community is buzzing, and then you ask why we don't have marketing. It's somewhat of an oxymoron. We've done what we could with the resources we've had available.'
Was that really neccesary? He perfectly knew what MMORPG.com meant with the question.
But perhaps he said it with a smile on his face, it's hard to be sure about a persons tone in a post.
Wow, someones angry that their vaporware is never coming out... Smoke and mirrors. I hear they are looking for investors! If anyone buys into this BS they need to have their head examined.
huh?!
I think most people around (even here on MMORPG.com) would agree that the one that needs his head examined is the one that STILL argues that DFO will never release.. geez
You should look up the definition of troll, your posts are truely a great example of such.
As most of us here still have not seen Darkfall nor have any of the media, it is easily to wonder in what state the game exists. The D&L debacle is heavily on the minds of many and it is a legitimate concern.
Tasos's continued arrogance does not help either. To even suggest that they have done what they could to advertise with a limited budget is ludicrous. Media interviews and demos cost them nothing yet they completely avoided such an avenue. Studios with any kind of marketing sense take great advantage of the many free advertising outlets out there. Aventurine has avoided all of them.
From that, it is easy to lead up to the point they really don't have a product that could be subject to such a examination. Of course it just could be that Tasos and his company are so paronoid about their game that they don't want anyone touching it until it meets their standards too.
We will all have have to wait until January to find out.
Wow, someones angry that their vaporware is never coming out... Smoke and mirrors. I hear they are looking for investors! If anyone buys into this BS they need to have their head examined.
huh?!
I think most people around (even here on MMORPG.com) would agree that the one that needs his head examined is the one that STILL argues that DFO will never release.. geez
You should look up the definition of troll, your posts are truely a great example of such.
As most of us here still have not seen Darkfall nor have any of the media, it is easily to wonder in what state the game exists. The D&L debacle is heavily on the minds of many and it is a legitimate concern.
Tasos's continued arrogance does not help either. To even suggest that they have done what they could to advertise with a limited budget is ludicrous. Media interviews and demos cost them nothing yet they completely avoided such an avenue. Studios with any kind of marketing sense take great advantage of the many free advertising outlets out there. Aventurine has avoided all of them.
From that, it is easy to lead up to the point they really don't have a product that could be subject to such a examination. Of course it just could be that Tasos and his company are so paronoid about their game that they don't want anyone touching it until it meets their standards too.
We will all have have to wait until January to find out.
Good lord the irony in you calling someone else a troll, especially in regards to DF, is amazing.
Yep we will wait and see on January 22nd 2009 when you realize just how ridiculous it was to question if this game exists. You can take a look at the link in my sig for hard 100% proof that EVERYONE but the truly paranoid agrees makes it no question that the game exists....but that would be asking the troll to actually have to respond to facts.
I can't wait to release day when you make absolutly no mention and ignore posts calling you out on your trolling and just move on to bashing whatever you come up with next.
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
Wow, someones angry that their vaporware is never coming out... Smoke and mirrors. I hear they are looking for investors! If anyone buys into this BS they need to have their head examined.
huh?!
I think most people around (even here on MMORPG.com) would agree that the one that needs his head examined is the one that STILL argues that DFO will never release.. geez
You should look up the definition of troll, your posts are truely a great example of such.
As most of us here still have not seen Darkfall nor have any of the media, it is easily to wonder in what state the game exists. The D&L debacle is heavily on the minds of many and it is a legitimate concern.
Tasos's continued arrogance does not help either. To even suggest that they have done what they could to advertise with a limited budget is ludicrous. Media interviews and demos cost them nothing yet they completely avoided such an avenue. Studios with any kind of marketing sense take great advantage of the many free advertising outlets out there. Aventurine has avoided all of them.
From that, it is easy to lead up to the point they really don't have a product that could be subject to such a examination. Of course it just could be that Tasos and his company are so paronoid about their game that they don't want anyone touching it until it meets their standards too.
We will all have have to wait until January to find out.
You Ozmodan occationaly post good sceptical posts like this one. But I urge you to look at the original post that I was responing to, and argue to me again that he/she deserved more than he/she got.
January it is!
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It sounds like honesty. I don't know how people can say he is being an ego maniac or too defensive when he is faced with questions like "so, people have called your game vaporware, how do you respond?". Give me a break. In fact, that is a very disrespectful question to ask if you want to conduct a serious interview. The interview was hostile and asked very little about the game itself. Despite that, Tasos was able to respond logically. Don't know about most people, but I'd prefer that larger companies would also adopt the Darkfall method of monetary allotment. Most of them spend too damn much on advertisement and damn near all of it turns out to be bull. You want real vaporware? Check out Warhammer online. Age of Conan. They promised many things and delivered someone completely different. In light of that, I simply do not understand the criticisms many people are throwing out there atm.
He's an ego maniac with an attitude that WILL turn people off from this game. It's not needed, nor is it wanted. Anyone about to release a product to the public with that tone needs a course in tact.
As for AoC and WAR being vaporware? I suggest you look up the meaning of the word before you start using it.
_________________________________ JonMichael
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Why all fanboys defy logic and just run from any discussion?
Why every troll love to speak about ass and shit and very little about ideas?
Why every troll try to avoid adult conversation, using some childish things like ´I will call my mom´ or the other version ´whats your credentials?´...
Its ideas who are being put in here, like it or not, I can pin point several points in common with D&L, specially dumbs fanboys...
The most clear thing in my statement and the statement which I quoted was totally missed by you because your furious fanboy-rage and debile defense of Tasos, which is that I want this game to be a HUGE sucess, we need a complex, sandbox game, we all are putting our chips on DF, however Tasos, to ANYONE with a minimun of intelligence to notice, is slipping... He is full of bullshit (which do not mean that DF will fail, but its a good indication, IN MY OPINION).
And a new failure in this kind of game would be seen as a fail of a genre of game (in case, a complex, sanbox game), and not as fail of some devs, SPECIALLY because the dumb fanboys are helping to hype ATTITUDES, not a game, and all those attitudes hurt the genre, its an ego thing. Clearly, Tasos is acting as a mix of a Pirates of Burning Sea dev and a Dark & Light dev, in others words, a train crash....
Why all fanboys defy logic and just run from any discussion? Why every troll love to speak about ass and shit and very little about ideas? Why every troll try to avoid adult conversation, using some childish things like ´I will call my mom´ or the other version ´whats your credentials?´... Its ideas who are being put in here, like it or not, I can pin point several points in common with D&L, specially dumbs fanboys... The most clear thing in my statement and the statement which I quoted was totally missed by you because your furious fanboy-rage and debile defense of Tasos, which is that I want this game to be a HUGE sucess, we need a complex, sandbox game, we all are putting our chips on DF, however Tasos, to ANYONE with a minimun of intelligence to notice, is slipping... He is full of bullshit (which do not mean that DF will fail, but its a good indication, IN MY OPINION). And a new failure in this kind of game would be seen as a fail of a genre of game (in case, a complex, sanbox game), and not as fail of some devs, SPECIALLY because the dumb fanboys are helping to hype ATTITUDES, not a game, and all those attitudes hurt the genre, its an ego thing. Clearly, Tasos is acting as a mix of a Pirates of Burning Sea dev and a Dark & Light dev, in others words, a train crash....
Why you would argue that you are a fan of darkfall? I beg to differ, you utilize all the classic signs of a person only here to talk smack about the game.
Item 1:
“I want this game to be a HUGE success”, this is the “I am really on your side, BUT” comment. Yeah.. I believe that.. sure thing.
Item 2:
“I can pin point several points in common with D&L, specially dumb fanboys..”, care to explain to me how the fans of a game can make it a failure as D&L, that statement defies logic. And on another note why would ANY similarities between D&L and DFO mean that they will meet the same fate?
I mean do you even now the history of D&L? Sure sounds like you don’t. That game was not intended as a scam. They had every intention of finishing it, it was later when it all went to shit that they went overboard, I think they are STILL trying to sell it, lol.
Now can you please name a few similarities that actually infer that DFO will be the same as D&L, taking into account all the evidence you have at your disposal?
Item 3:
“to ANYONE with a minimum of intelligence to notice, is slipping.” So every other quote in this thread saying “Hey, I don’t think he comes off as having a big ego” is just fanboys and idiots? Way to go, buddy.
To summarize
Now if you would care to have a look at the game we are discussing here you would now that this game is highly debated, you would also know that the company behind the game (Aventurine SA) have a personal stalker trying with all means possible to discredit it (the former web-admin of the failed Mourning MMO). You would also know that this site (mmorpg.com) is a cesspool of trollers and haters of this game. Add to that that the questions where a bit on the harsh side, I am sure Tasos didn’t mind, but as anyone would know the way you ask the questions sets the note of the replies.
So when Tasos answers fall in line with the questions, they might seem a bit rough, but hey, most of us don’t feel but-hurt because of that, I really don’t care that you do, but your ranting saying the usual shit:
Allow me to summarize your post for you:
-“I want this game to succeed, BUT it will be like D&L and anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot”
Let’s face it:
1. You DON’T want this game to succeed-
2. You WILL cry when it releases.
3. You WILL still, after release, argue that it is a bug-ridden piece of crap.
4. You are afraid to fly.
***************************** I have nothing clever to say.
Why all fanboys defy logic and just run from any discussion? Why every troll love to speak about ass and shit and very little about ideas? Why every troll try to avoid adult conversation, using some childish things like ´I will call my mom´ or the other version ´whats your credentials?´... Its ideas who are being put in here, like it or not, I can pin point several points in common with D&L, specially dumbs fanboys... The most clear thing in my statement and the statement which I quoted was totally missed by you because your furious fanboy-rage and debile defense of Tasos, which is that I want this game to be a HUGE sucess, we need a complex, sandbox game, we all are putting our chips on DF, however Tasos, to ANYONE with a minimun of intelligence to notice, is slipping... He is full of bullshit (which do not mean that DF will fail, but its a good indication, IN MY OPINION). And a new failure in this kind of game would be seen as a fail of a genre of game (in case, a complex, sanbox game), and not as fail of some devs, SPECIALLY because the dumb fanboys are helping to hype ATTITUDES, not a game, and all those attitudes hurt the genre, its an ego thing. Clearly, Tasos is acting as a mix of a Pirates of Burning Sea dev and a Dark & Light dev, in others words, a train crash....
Why you would argue that you are a fan of darkfall? I beg to differ, you utilize all the classic signs of a person only here to talk smack about the game.
Item 1:
“I want this game to be a HUGE success”, this is the “I am really on your side, BUT” comment. Yeah.. I believe that.. sure thing.
Item 2:
“I can pin point several points in common with D&L, specially dumb fanboys..”, care to explain to me how the fans of a game can make it a failure as D&L, that statement defies logic. And on another note why would ANY similarities between D&L and DFO mean that they will meet the same fate?
I mean do you even now the history of D&L? Sure sounds like you don’t. That game was not intended as a scam. They had every intention of finishing it, it was later when it all went to shit that they went overboard, I think they are STILL trying to sell it, lol.
Now can you please name a few similarities that actually infer that DFO will be the same as D&L, taking into account all the evidence you have at your disposal?
Item 3:
“to ANYONE with a minimum of intelligence to notice, is slipping.” So every other quote in this thread saying “Hey, I don’t think he comes off as having a big ego” is just fanboys and idiots? Way to go, buddy.
To summarize
Now if you would care to have a look at the game we are discussing here you would now that this game is highly debated, you would also know that the company behind the game (Aventurine SA) have a personal stalker trying with all means possible to discredit it (the former web-admin of the failed Mourning MMO). You would also know that this site (mmorpg.com) is a cesspool of trollers and haters of this game. Add to that that the questions where a bit on the harsh side, I am sure Tasos didn’t mind, but as anyone would know the way you ask the questions sets the note of the replies.
So when Tasos answers fall in line with the questions, they might seem a bit rough, but hey, most of us don’t feel but-hurt because of that, I really don’t care that you do, but your ranting saying the usual shit:
Allow me to summarize your post for you:
-“I want this game to succeed, BUT it will be like D&L and anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot”
Let’s face it:
1. You DON’T want this game to succeed-
2. You WILL cry when it releases.
3. You WILL still, after release, argue that it is a bug-ridden piece of crap.
4. You are afraid to fly.
You are a fanboy. Fanboy hurt games.
I am not a fanboy, I am a supporter of the Darkfall, exactly BECAUSE I am not a fanboy ANd you can see from what I have been writing since a looong time in here, I want it to work it. But I am not a fool also... I have been fooled by D&L and AoC, and I want this game to work, so I am not going to feed Tasos egos.
Again, you havent missed the whole discussion to only defend your hero, Tasos. You say taht there is people in here paid to thrash the game, but tehre is morons in here NOT paid that only praises something really, really wrong...
Tasos is having a serious ego problem which can hurt not only DF, but the genre as well... If DF turn to be a failure, it would fail the very hope of this kind of game... SW:TOR will be a WoW clone, as far I have been seeing, DF is the last hope.
Dont assume what I want or what I am, just stick to the discussion if you can, fanboy... Try to ask the following questions as:
1) Do you think that supporting blindly a whole bucket of bullshit (as throw by Tasos in EVERY interview) is going to help the game?
2) Do you think, really, tyhat there is hundreds of beta testers, and NO BETA LEAK? Do you even think that this is possible?
3) Do you really think that the game will be launched in 22 Januray, ready to go, without a decent beta test?
4) Do you think that the problems on forums are due to ´trolls´ only, and not the way which Aventurine is dealing the things?
5) Do you think that the sandbox genre can survive a failure? (oh, I forgot, this is NOT possible, since, you know, Tsos is a GOD, he can go back in time and make the things happens the way we, all Tasos followers want...)
I am no “fanboi” in the regards that you refer to it; I am merely a fan, a fan bloody tired of all the idiots trashing this game for no good god damn reason at all. So like the popup-frogs on the funfair I smash the ugly buggers at first show.
To prove this to you I will refer you to the blog-entries that I have made here on mmorpg about DFO as reference.
Alright, I had a look into your post-history, and I will admit that you are not the typical hater/troll and might even sincerely be hoping for this game. Bearing that in mind I will answer your post refraining from flaming.
I was not fooled by AoC, neither D&L but I have high hopes that DFO will actually be what it says it will be. Mind you I am under no illusion that all the features will be there at launch, likewise the game will probably have lots of bugs at start, in short it’s an MMO so we know what to expect.
I must ask you what’s with the hate on Tasos? I don’t see the guy as the second coming or anything, and truth be told, the PR of Aventurine sucks big-time. I am not taking Tasos word for anything; HOWEVER in those areas that we have yet to receive a report from beta-tester or other reviewer I have yet to see any reason why I would NOT believe in what he tells us. (and don’t pull out the arguments of failed dates, and lies, that will not fly very well).
I won’t go into it in depth but, what about the partners of Aventurine? Do you really think they would be on board if the game was a hoax?
About Tasos answers in the latest mmorpg interview, I don’t find them particularly boasting, he have stated that the game will speak for itself and he is sticking to that, what is wrong with that really? Sure he takes a piss on the trolls, but after all the shit that they have taken over the years, why is that such a bad thing?
As a summarization I would like to say to you, I in no way idolize Tasos the way you suggest, I really think Aventurine could have a fulltime PR guy instead. I will instead point out to you that YOU seem to have a serious problem with Tasos. I along with many other don’t view his statements and actions the way that you do. If DFO is your last hope, why do you think a couple of hard answers from Tasos in an interview will dissuade people to play DFO, it’s not as if they are going to group with Tasos? Besides it’s a FFA/PVP Full loot game, it will be ha hard alternate reality.
And oh; I NEVER said there are people paid to thrash DFO, the person that I referred to in my earlier post was an example of the shit they are taking, and I am sure he does it without charge. No company is paying anyone to thrash a game, that would be ridiculous.
Now on to your questions:
1) Do you think that supporting blindly a whole bucket of bullshit (as throw by Tasos in EVERY interview) is going to help the game? (see.. here you come of as a true hater/troll I am ignoring that now though)
I choose to believe in that witch I cannot disprove. You choose to call it a bucket of bullshit on the grounds that it is not yet proven, so your stance on the matter was set beforehand.
2) Do you think, really, tyhat there is hundreds of beta testers, and NO BETA LEAK? Do you even think that this is possible?
I know several of the more notorious forumfallers who are in the beta as we speak, and I also know that they would blow the whistle if something was amiss, or Tasos was blatantly lying. Surly is one of them if you want a name. And about the leaks, they are out there, just not in plain view there are one at the most logical place to look for it (without actually giving you the address).
3) Do you really think that the game will be launched in 22 Januray, ready to go, without a decent beta test?
I have been working in software development for 10 years now, and I am always amazed about the “must have a beta of 10.000 players or more to weed out the bugs” statements. Do you really think that 10.000 is better than 500 (barring the stress test)? How the mumbojumbo do you think that you could possible handle the 10.000 12-yearolds and their bug-reports? They can hardly write!
And here comes the “all mmo’s have large betas” argument, yes most have, but they are not to weed out more bugs than betas of 500 they are stress-tests and free PR.
I am also a bit confused as to why you posted this question since Aventurine have stated that they will have an open beta to stress-test the game. Why should I doubt that?
4) Do you think that the problems on forums are due to ´trolls´ only, and not the way which Aventurine is dealing the things?
By large Yes, why should I blame Aventurine? Because they have a bad PR department?
5) Do you think that the sandbox genre can survive a failure? (oh, I forgot, this is NOT possible, since, you know, Tsos is a GOD, he can go back in time and make the things happens the way we, all Tasos followers want...)
Oh it’s possible all right, DFO could be a total flop no question about it. You see, you read too much into what I write I have never said that Tasos is GOD, you did that. The continuance of the hate against this game is what colored my responses in this forum not the gospel of Tasos.
Will the sandbox genre survive? Yes I think so. There are several more in the works, someone will get it right.
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So your saying you trust a guy like this. ... That sounds about right for the past 4 - 5 years. Like I said before... Tasos = Smedley
it's amusing that you spent the time to type all that out but forgot to include the facts:
1) numerous people outside of Aventurine have played the game, and are playing it right now.
2) there is abundant information, screenshots and videos of the game in the public domain
L2google.
Numerous people that are not a respectable website or magazine that wrote a review/preview is not a number at all.
well they had mentioend a Italianc group had come in played and got a few screenies. and full report go read it on DF forums if not stop trolling , and kinda noticed ur a WoW player as well then i guess u wont bother reading the report then.
Accusing a legitimate post of trolling is trolling on its own. My current subscription has nothing to do with the current topic. So please, stop with the trolling and get back to the real answers. Doesn't it really bother you that all we have on our hands is some kind of italian group that made some screenies? Some movies and screenies that the company itself made does not really represent a fair opinion in my mind. I mean, would you trust the company that says their product is great? Wouldn't their opinion be biased? The most trustworthy opinion is the opinion of the free press or people that are not affiliated with the company. But in order to get that, you need a public beta of sort. As far as I know, in all those years, there was no public beta. No independent press was invited for an extensive review/preview, or anything of the sort. If im wrong, please feel free to correct me with a link to the review. ANd once again, stop trolling.
Originally posted by doobster Firstly, just because a game is ready to launch doesn't mean they can just go 'k gaiz tomarow is launch date lolz'. They need to setup servers with a third party, manufacturing of discs with a third party, etc. Word of mouth IS their marketing strategy at this point, they know it and they've said it. People like you who are so passionate about making sure everyone hears about their skepticism only fuels the fire. So... thanks i guess
In my perspective, if the game is ready to launch that means that the servers are already prepared, tested and ready. If you do not have servers or they arent ready or not tested, then you are NOT ready to launch.
400 posts and maybe 20 are half decent. can we please lock this thread and move on?
nononononono! This thread has been providing me with comic relief for the last week! Please do not lock this thread! I wish Taco, i mean Tasos would post more of his madman rumblings here. I mean, the kid is brilliant as an ass face of the company.
You, however, is the only one asking for ´credentials´... Which is pretty pathetic... This is a FORUM, everyone in here is ´pulling it out of our asses´ if you havent noticed. The main difference between you and those, are not the ´credentials´, but the utterly lack of understanding of what is a forum. A forum is a place to discuss ideas, agree with those or not. Attacking the ones who have put his idea on a forum is simply stupid, asking for his ´credentials of the ´MMO-world arena´ is stupid AND egocentric.
Its like when someone tells that did not like the soup and you ask him ´what his crdentials for the world cuisine´... Those lines put there are MY idea, and not mine only. Wanna comment them, fine... Dont have how to do it (for lack of arguments or intelligence)? then do not post in here instead of argumenting ´ad hominen´ (Attacking the one who made the statement since the statement itself cant be attacked), its jut too low, even for a MMO forum. The difference, also between you and Tasos is, taht Tasos is doing that for the money (of course, and thats not a critic, far from that, its something totally expected, he is selling his game), but you are doing because...? Oh, yeah, to save the ´honor´ of the game of people like me... No, dont worry, I am not asking for your credentials of the ´world mmo-arena´, I would just sound stupid... By the way, this ´pause´ in the real discussion was healthy because made me remember something that I havent spoke of yey. Worst than good concepts going bad because of bad developers is the fanboys who support them. Fanboys are the cancer of any wannabe-complex-and-good-MMO, because they feed the egos of the wrong people of MMO industry, blind the market for the truth and utterly destroy any hope of a good game, for their irrational behavior.
Well said. I only wanted to add that if push came to shove and for some stupid odd reason we did have to show our credentials, then Tasos would have to be first. He hasn't really produced anything before, has he? If he has, Ill take my comment back. But if he hasn't, then he is just like me or you, a regular Joe who is making a game... or so he says he does.
Incase you don't know how this works here's a quicklist for you: 1. You make a statement; in this case a future-scrying/prediction the usual stuff that people that for some reason DON'T want a new game to succed.. (can't for the life of me figure out why though..)
2. You get challanged for your statement
3. You provide some sort of evidens/logic for your statement
4. Let the arguing commence!
Now what happend in this particular case was the following: 1. A person wrote some pertty stupid analysis on this forum, with no logic or evidence.
2. I called him out and asked for above.
3. Several other (you included) entered the discussion trying to call me out (on no grounds)
4. The fist persons comment is now discarded as trolling and so are you. only one problem remains; you'r ass is full of shit so watch it when you pull stuff form there. New troll rhyme:
not-vapor-but-TASOS-is-bashing-me-for-bashing-his-game-and-I-got-scared.. *Edited to save space
You lost any and all credibility after this post. GG
You interviewed Tasos and no doubt you spoke with him on an unofficial level.
Can you be so good as to give us your opinion after having spoken with Tasos on that unofficial level, on whether or not you feel and believe DarkFall is indeed almost ready for release?
One other thing. It is now the 12th December 2008. More than a FEW days have passed since we all here were informed that a release date will be out "in a few days".
A couple = 2
A few = 3-4
Several = 5-9
I, and many others am sure will appreciate your feedback on the above.
Hey Stradden, You interviewed Tasos and no doubt you spoke with him on an unofficial level. Can you be so good as to give us your opinion after having spoken with Tasos on that unofficial level, on whether or not you feel and believe DarkFall is indeed almost ready for release? One other thing. It is now the 12th December 2008. More than a FEW days have passed since we all here were informed that a release date will be out "in a few days". A couple = 2 A few = 3-4 Several = 5-9 I, and many others am sure will appreciate your feedback on the above.
Axxiss
How was your trip under the rock? A lot of things have happened since you were gone. Release Date was announcened a while ago, January 22nd.
I've read alot of posts that keep talking about the lack of advertisment and his response to word of mouth. If anyone has ever played Ultima Online, then they damn well know word of mouth is the BEST way to reel people in. I played UO for 7 years. I myself got at least 20 people playing it, in turn they told their friends, so on and so forth. It also makes you feel more connected to the game.. like it's your game. I liked that he was real in his answers and thought the questions was pretty much what needed to be asked. I want this game to succeed. There is alot of info, alot of screenshots and a good bit of gameplay in the videos I have seen. Looks like it's ready to me. If he wants to take more time, that's cool with me. It needs to be a smooth launch so that it doesn't go the way of Vanguard and many others. Also, I read in the beta forums a release date of Jan 22, 2009, for Europe. NA can play it, not sure when it will be released in NA though. I haven't read all the posts so I wasn't sure if that had been mentioned yet.
Well said. I don't understand the level of hostility shown towards this game just because it's not trying to follow the big marketing budget hype formula of other MMOs. Putting the game's development before ALL other considerations surely has to be admired, no? It's like some of the posters here *want* big MMO companies to continue releasing half-finished titles and expecting gamers to pay them to fix it.
The fact there is almost 200K+ forum/beta subscribers for Darkfall with 5K new subs added every week with *zero* marketing dollars spent is amazing.
Kudos to aventurine, and i sincerely hope they do well, because the MMO genre and industry NEEDs a shakeup.
Well said. I don't understand the level of hostility shown towards this game just because it's not trying to follow the big marketing budget hype formula of other MMOs. Putting the game's development before ALL other considerations surely has to be admired, no? It's like some of the posters here *want* big MMO companies to continue releasing half-finished titles and expecting gamers to pay them to fix it.
The fact there is almost 200K+ forum/beta subscribers for Darkfall with 5K new subs added every week with *zero* marketing dollars spent is amazing.
Kudos to aventurine, and i sincerely hope they do well, because the MMO genre and industry NEEDs a shakeup.
I think most of the "hate" is directed towards Tasos. No self-respecting company would allow someone so unprofessional to handle PR. If such things happens, one must wonder why: is it because lack of funds to hire a professional? If so, then the followup question would be: is this just another scam intended to rip people "Dark and Light" style?
Im speculating here but if they have no money to do real PR or advertising, they go for the shock factor. They try to stirr up some flames to bring DF to attention. It doesn't matter if a lot of people voice their doubtsabout the game, some people will try the game regardless of the general view.
A game with so little information so close to release screms to me "im a failure". But we will have to wait and see what will actualy happen. Who knows, maybe everyone will suddenly love open FFA and full loot system. I know i wont.
Well said. I don't understand the level of hostility shown towards this game just because it's not trying to follow the big marketing budget hype formula of other MMOs. Putting the game's development before ALL other considerations surely has to be admired, no? It's like some of the posters here *want* big MMO companies to continue releasing half-finished titles and expecting gamers to pay them to fix it.
The fact there is almost 200K+ forum/beta subscribers for Darkfall with 5K new subs added every week with *zero* marketing dollars spent is amazing.
Kudos to aventurine, and i sincerely hope they do well, because the MMO genre and industry NEEDs a shakeup.
I think most of the "hate" is directed towards Tasos. No self-respecting company would allow someone so unprofessional to handle PR. If such things happens, one must wonder why: is it because lack of funds to hire a professional? If so, then the followup question would be: is this just another scam intended to rip people "Dark and Light" style?
Im speculating here but if they have no money to do real PR or advertising, they go for the shock factor. They try to stirr up some flames to bring DF to attention. It doesn't matter if a lot of people voice their doubtsabout the game, some people will try the game regardless of the general view.
A game with so little information so close to release screms to me "im a failure". But we will have to wait and see what will actualy happen. Who knows, maybe everyone will suddenly love open FFA and full loot system. I know i wont.
Most hate is directed towards the game Darkfall, not Tasos.
Many carebears fears there own game will suffer subscription losses if Darkfall is a success. They're plain egocentric.
What we need to learn is to pick the hate from the reality. Most fanboys think that any critic is ´hate´, and therefore it helps to hurt the game itself, for all critics help to improve the game in a way or another.
I think that Tasos is totally lost on it. A so secret beta test only means that there is no confidence in the game (specially so near the launch). The arrogance of the PR have been seen on PoBS, and we all know today the ´no crying on red circle´ mantra by now, and how PoBS is a joke nowdays... We dont want to that to happen on DFO, at least the ones who pursue the dream of a GOOD game, not the game itself (be it godd or bad).
DFO has an incridible concept, but the reality, today, teached us to be a little more... cautious... D&L. PoBS, AoC teached us a lesson... Great hype, arrogant devs and too promises with very low ´showing it up´ (like the marvelous PvP on battlekeeps, of AoC, the jewel of the crown, or the DX10, never show on beta but promised as ´certain´ until the launch) is a sign of great disaster... And all those points are HUGE on DFO.. (the hype on DFO is higher than the AoC, the arrogance of Tasos is far bigger than even the PoBS devs, and the secrecy of the main features we cant even start with, since we only knew of a ´ghost beta´, without even notices of ANYTHING, and VERY near the launch).
I am worried about it, everyday without notices of the beta (the real one, I mean) makes me a little more skeptical about DFO. Notice that I still love the game (the concept of it, I mean), and I really hope that ll those bad signs are only a terrible coincidence...
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The only ones with big egos running around here are the likes of you. Who the f. are you and what did you contribute to the MMO-world arena?
huh?
Guess nothing is the word you are looking for, hurts dosen't it?
Good question. We'll let you answer it for starters. Or do you have nothing as well, therefore making your little jab worthless, petty, hypocritical, and downright pathetic?
Take your time to gather all of your references/accomplishments/contributions to the "MMO-world arena".
haha.. nice try, really nice..
for the record, I am not the one saying that Tasos is hurting the mmo-community here.
Since the above poster was doing just that, I asked about his credetials in making that statement, since I suspect he just pulled it out of his ass.
so I don't have to prove myself.
Since you asked, maby you could start? I'll just pass the bucket to your ass..
You, however, is the only one asking for ´credentials´... Which is pretty pathetic... This is a FORUM, everyone in here is ´pulling it out of our asses´ if you havent noticed. The main difference between you and those, are not the ´credentials´, but the utterly lack of understanding of what is a forum. A forum is a place to discuss ideas, agree with those or not. Attacking the ones who have put his idea on a forum is simply stupid, asking for his ´credentials of the ´MMO-world arena´ is stupid AND egocentric.
Its like when someone tells that did not like the soup and you ask him ´what his crdentials for the world cuisine´... Those lines put there are MY idea, and not mine only. Wanna comment them, fine... Dont have how to do it (for lack of arguments or intelligence)? then do not post in here instead of argumenting ´ad hominen´ (Attacking the one who made the statement since the statement itself cant be attacked), its jut too low, even for a MMO forum.
The difference, also between you and Tasos is, taht Tasos is doing that for the money (of course, and thats not a critic, far from that, its something totally expected, he is selling his game), but you are doing because...? Oh, yeah, to save the ´honor´ of the game of people like me... No, dont worry, I am not asking for your credentials of the ´world mmo-arena´, I would just sound stupid...
By the way, this ´pause´ in the real discussion was healthy because made me remember something that I havent spoke of yey. Worst than good concepts going bad because of bad developers is the fanboys who support them. Fanboys are the cancer of any wannabe-complex-and-good-MMO, because they feed the egos of the wrong people of MMO industry, blind the market for the truth and utterly destroy any hope of a good game, for their irrational behavior.
Incase you don't know how this works here's a quicklist for you:
1. You make a statement; in this case a future-scrying/prediction the usual stuff that people that for some reason DON'T want a new game to succed.. (can't for the life of me figure out why though..)
2. You get challanged for your statement
3. You provide some sort of evidens/logic for your statement
4. Let the arguing commence!
Now what happend in this particular case was the following:
1. A person wrote some pertty stupid analysis on this forum, with no logic or evidence.
2. I called him out and asked for above.
3. Several other (you included) entered the discussion trying to call me out (on no grounds)
4. The fist persons comment is now discarded as trolling and so are you.
only one problem remains; you'r ass is full of shit so watch it when you pull stuff form there.
New troll rhyme:
not-vapor-but-TASOS-is-bashing-me-for-bashing-his-game-and-I-got-scared..
*Edited to save space
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I have nothing clever to say.
What is this Tasos guy so angry about?
Isn't he supposed to have a thick skin?
Referring to this bit:
MMORPG.com: Darkfall is a game that has many within the MMO community buzzing. Can you tell us why we haven't seen a marketing campaign similar to those conducted pre-launch by many other MMO studios?
Tasos Flambouras: The MMO community is buzzing, and then you ask why we don't have marketing. It's somewhat of an oxymoron. We've done what we could with the resources we've had available.'
Was that really neccesary? He perfectly knew what MMORPG.com meant with the question.
But perhaps he said it with a smile on his face, it's hard to be sure about a persons tone in a post.
huh?!
I think most people around (even here on MMORPG.com) would agree that the one that needs his head examined is the one that STILL argues that DFO will never release.. geez
You should look up the definition of troll, your posts are truely a great example of such.
As most of us here still have not seen Darkfall nor have any of the media, it is easily to wonder in what state the game exists. The D&L debacle is heavily on the minds of many and it is a legitimate concern.
Tasos's continued arrogance does not help either. To even suggest that they have done what they could to advertise with a limited budget is ludicrous. Media interviews and demos cost them nothing yet they completely avoided such an avenue. Studios with any kind of marketing sense take great advantage of the many free advertising outlets out there. Aventurine has avoided all of them.
From that, it is easy to lead up to the point they really don't have a product that could be subject to such a examination. Of course it just could be that Tasos and his company are so paronoid about their game that they don't want anyone touching it until it meets their standards too.
We will all have have to wait until January to find out.
huh?!
I think most people around (even here on MMORPG.com) would agree that the one that needs his head examined is the one that STILL argues that DFO will never release.. geez
You should look up the definition of troll, your posts are truely a great example of such.
As most of us here still have not seen Darkfall nor have any of the media, it is easily to wonder in what state the game exists. The D&L debacle is heavily on the minds of many and it is a legitimate concern.
Tasos's continued arrogance does not help either. To even suggest that they have done what they could to advertise with a limited budget is ludicrous. Media interviews and demos cost them nothing yet they completely avoided such an avenue. Studios with any kind of marketing sense take great advantage of the many free advertising outlets out there. Aventurine has avoided all of them.
From that, it is easy to lead up to the point they really don't have a product that could be subject to such a examination. Of course it just could be that Tasos and his company are so paronoid about their game that they don't want anyone touching it until it meets their standards too.
We will all have have to wait until January to find out.
Good lord the irony in you calling someone else a troll, especially in regards to DF, is amazing.
Yep we will wait and see on January 22nd 2009 when you realize just how ridiculous it was to question if this game exists. You can take a look at the link in my sig for hard 100% proof that EVERYONE but the truly paranoid agrees makes it no question that the game exists....but that would be asking the troll to actually have to respond to facts.
I can't wait to release day when you make absolutly no mention and ignore posts calling you out on your trolling and just move on to bashing whatever you come up with next.
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Darkfall Releases on: February 25th, 2009
Darkfall Recap of everything that has happened the last 3 months: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/213296
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
huh?!
I think most people around (even here on MMORPG.com) would agree that the one that needs his head examined is the one that STILL argues that DFO will never release.. geez
You should look up the definition of troll, your posts are truely a great example of such.
As most of us here still have not seen Darkfall nor have any of the media, it is easily to wonder in what state the game exists. The D&L debacle is heavily on the minds of many and it is a legitimate concern.
Tasos's continued arrogance does not help either. To even suggest that they have done what they could to advertise with a limited budget is ludicrous. Media interviews and demos cost them nothing yet they completely avoided such an avenue. Studios with any kind of marketing sense take great advantage of the many free advertising outlets out there. Aventurine has avoided all of them.
From that, it is easy to lead up to the point they really don't have a product that could be subject to such a examination. Of course it just could be that Tasos and his company are so paronoid about their game that they don't want anyone touching it until it meets their standards too.
We will all have have to wait until January to find out.
You Ozmodan occationaly post good sceptical posts like this one. But I urge you to look at the original post that I was responing to, and argue to me again that he/she deserved more than he/she got.
January it is!
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I have nothing clever to say.
He's an ego maniac with an attitude that WILL turn people off from this game. It's not needed, nor is it wanted. Anyone about to release a product to the public with that tone needs a course in tact.
As for AoC and WAR being vaporware? I suggest you look up the meaning of the word before you start using it.
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JonMichael
Currently: AION, an MMO Beta under NDA
Played: WAR, LOTRO, Hellgate: London, CoX, GW, SotNW, DAOC, EQ2, SWG, WoW, AO, Horizons, Second Life, There, TSO
Beta'd: There, Second Life, EQ2, DAOC:LotM, LOTRO, Tabula Rasa, Gods and Heroes, Hellgate: London, Requiem:Bloodymare, AoC, WAR, DDO, Fallen Earth
Why all fanboys defy logic and just run from any discussion?
Why every troll love to speak about ass and shit and very little about ideas?
Why every troll try to avoid adult conversation, using some childish things like ´I will call my mom´ or the other version ´whats your credentials?´...
Its ideas who are being put in here, like it or not, I can pin point several points in common with D&L, specially dumbs fanboys...
The most clear thing in my statement and the statement which I quoted was totally missed by you because your furious fanboy-rage and debile defense of Tasos, which is that I want this game to be a HUGE sucess, we need a complex, sandbox game, we all are putting our chips on DF, however Tasos, to ANYONE with a minimun of intelligence to notice, is slipping... He is full of bullshit (which do not mean that DF will fail, but its a good indication, IN MY OPINION).
And a new failure in this kind of game would be seen as a fail of a genre of game (in case, a complex, sanbox game), and not as fail of some devs, SPECIALLY because the dumb fanboys are helping to hype ATTITUDES, not a game, and all those attitudes hurt the genre, its an ego thing. Clearly, Tasos is acting as a mix of a Pirates of Burning Sea dev and a Dark & Light dev, in others words, a train crash....
Why you would argue that you are a fan of darkfall? I beg to differ, you utilize all the classic signs of a person only here to talk smack about the game.
Item 1:
“I want this game to be a HUGE success”, this is the “I am really on your side, BUT” comment. Yeah.. I believe that.. sure thing.
Item 2:
“I can pin point several points in common with D&L, specially dumb fanboys..”, care to explain to me how the fans of a game can make it a failure as D&L, that statement defies logic. And on another note why would ANY similarities between D&L and DFO mean that they will meet the same fate?
I mean do you even now the history of D&L? Sure sounds like you don’t. That game was not intended as a scam. They had every intention of finishing it, it was later when it all went to shit that they went overboard, I think they are STILL trying to sell it, lol.
Now can you please name a few similarities that actually infer that DFO will be the same as D&L, taking into account all the evidence you have at your disposal?
Item 3:
“to ANYONE with a minimum of intelligence to notice, is slipping.” So every other quote in this thread saying “Hey, I don’t think he comes off as having a big ego” is just fanboys and idiots? Way to go, buddy.
To summarize
Now if you would care to have a look at the game we are discussing here you would now that this game is highly debated, you would also know that the company behind the game (Aventurine SA) have a personal stalker trying with all means possible to discredit it (the former web-admin of the failed Mourning MMO). You would also know that this site (mmorpg.com) is a cesspool of trollers and haters of this game. Add to that that the questions where a bit on the harsh side, I am sure Tasos didn’t mind, but as anyone would know the way you ask the questions sets the note of the replies.
So when Tasos answers fall in line with the questions, they might seem a bit rough, but hey, most of us don’t feel but-hurt because of that, I really don’t care that you do, but your ranting saying the usual shit:
Allow me to summarize your post for you:
-“I want this game to succeed, BUT it will be like D&L and anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot”
Let’s face it:
1. You DON’T want this game to succeed-
2. You WILL cry when it releases.
3. You WILL still, after release, argue that it is a bug-ridden piece of crap.
4. You are afraid to fly.
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I have nothing clever to say.
Why you would argue that you are a fan of darkfall? I beg to differ, you utilize all the classic signs of a person only here to talk smack about the game.
Item 1:
“I want this game to be a HUGE success”, this is the “I am really on your side, BUT” comment. Yeah.. I believe that.. sure thing.
Item 2:
“I can pin point several points in common with D&L, specially dumb fanboys..”, care to explain to me how the fans of a game can make it a failure as D&L, that statement defies logic. And on another note why would ANY similarities between D&L and DFO mean that they will meet the same fate?
I mean do you even now the history of D&L? Sure sounds like you don’t. That game was not intended as a scam. They had every intention of finishing it, it was later when it all went to shit that they went overboard, I think they are STILL trying to sell it, lol.
Now can you please name a few similarities that actually infer that DFO will be the same as D&L, taking into account all the evidence you have at your disposal?
Item 3:
“to ANYONE with a minimum of intelligence to notice, is slipping.” So every other quote in this thread saying “Hey, I don’t think he comes off as having a big ego” is just fanboys and idiots? Way to go, buddy.
To summarize
Now if you would care to have a look at the game we are discussing here you would now that this game is highly debated, you would also know that the company behind the game (Aventurine SA) have a personal stalker trying with all means possible to discredit it (the former web-admin of the failed Mourning MMO). You would also know that this site (mmorpg.com) is a cesspool of trollers and haters of this game. Add to that that the questions where a bit on the harsh side, I am sure Tasos didn’t mind, but as anyone would know the way you ask the questions sets the note of the replies.
So when Tasos answers fall in line with the questions, they might seem a bit rough, but hey, most of us don’t feel but-hurt because of that, I really don’t care that you do, but your ranting saying the usual shit:
Allow me to summarize your post for you:
-“I want this game to succeed, BUT it will be like D&L and anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot”
Let’s face it:
1. You DON’T want this game to succeed-
2. You WILL cry when it releases.
3. You WILL still, after release, argue that it is a bug-ridden piece of crap.
4. You are afraid to fly.
You are a fanboy. Fanboy hurt games.
I am not a fanboy, I am a supporter of the Darkfall, exactly BECAUSE I am not a fanboy ANd you can see from what I have been writing since a looong time in here, I want it to work it. But I am not a fool also... I have been fooled by D&L and AoC, and I want this game to work, so I am not going to feed Tasos egos.
Again, you havent missed the whole discussion to only defend your hero, Tasos. You say taht there is people in here paid to thrash the game, but tehre is morons in here NOT paid that only praises something really, really wrong...
Tasos is having a serious ego problem which can hurt not only DF, but the genre as well... If DF turn to be a failure, it would fail the very hope of this kind of game... SW:TOR will be a WoW clone, as far I have been seeing, DF is the last hope.
Dont assume what I want or what I am, just stick to the discussion if you can, fanboy... Try to ask the following questions as:
1) Do you think that supporting blindly a whole bucket of bullshit (as throw by Tasos in EVERY interview) is going to help the game?
2) Do you think, really, tyhat there is hundreds of beta testers, and NO BETA LEAK? Do you even think that this is possible?
3) Do you really think that the game will be launched in 22 Januray, ready to go, without a decent beta test?
4) Do you think that the problems on forums are due to ´trolls´ only, and not the way which Aventurine is dealing the things?
5) Do you think that the sandbox genre can survive a failure? (oh, I forgot, this is NOT possible, since, you know, Tsos is a GOD, he can go back in time and make the things happens the way we, all Tasos followers want...)
First off,
I am no “fanboi” in the regards that you refer to it; I am merely a fan, a fan bloody tired of all the idiots trashing this game for no good god damn reason at all. So like the popup-frogs on the funfair I smash the ugly buggers at first show.
To prove this to you I will refer you to the blog-entries that I have made here on mmorpg about DFO as reference.
Alright, I had a look into your post-history, and I will admit that you are not the typical hater/troll and might even sincerely be hoping for this game. Bearing that in mind I will answer your post refraining from flaming.
I was not fooled by AoC, neither D&L but I have high hopes that DFO will actually be what it says it will be. Mind you I am under no illusion that all the features will be there at launch, likewise the game will probably have lots of bugs at start, in short it’s an MMO so we know what to expect.
I must ask you what’s with the hate on Tasos? I don’t see the guy as the second coming or anything, and truth be told, the PR of Aventurine sucks big-time. I am not taking Tasos word for anything; HOWEVER in those areas that we have yet to receive a report from beta-tester or other reviewer I have yet to see any reason why I would NOT believe in what he tells us. (and don’t pull out the arguments of failed dates, and lies, that will not fly very well).
I won’t go into it in depth but, what about the partners of Aventurine? Do you really think they would be on board if the game was a hoax?
About Tasos answers in the latest mmorpg interview, I don’t find them particularly boasting, he have stated that the game will speak for itself and he is sticking to that, what is wrong with that really? Sure he takes a piss on the trolls, but after all the shit that they have taken over the years, why is that such a bad thing?
As a summarization I would like to say to you, I in no way idolize Tasos the way you suggest, I really think Aventurine could have a fulltime PR guy instead. I will instead point out to you that YOU seem to have a serious problem with Tasos. I along with many other don’t view his statements and actions the way that you do. If DFO is your last hope, why do you think a couple of hard answers from Tasos in an interview will dissuade people to play DFO, it’s not as if they are going to group with Tasos? Besides it’s a FFA/PVP Full loot game, it will be ha hard alternate reality.
And oh; I NEVER said there are people paid to thrash DFO, the person that I referred to in my earlier post was an example of the shit they are taking, and I am sure he does it without charge. No company is paying anyone to thrash a game, that would be ridiculous.
Now on to your questions:
1) Do you think that supporting blindly a whole bucket of bullshit (as throw by Tasos in EVERY interview) is going to help the game? (see.. here you come of as a true hater/troll I am ignoring that now though)
I choose to believe in that witch I cannot disprove. You choose to call it a bucket of bullshit on the grounds that it is not yet proven, so your stance on the matter was set beforehand.
2) Do you think, really, tyhat there is hundreds of beta testers, and NO BETA LEAK? Do you even think that this is possible?
I know several of the more notorious forumfallers who are in the beta as we speak, and I also know that they would blow the whistle if something was amiss, or Tasos was blatantly lying. Surly is one of them if you want a name. And about the leaks, they are out there, just not in plain view there are one at the most logical place to look for it (without actually giving you the address).
3) Do you really think that the game will be launched in 22 Januray, ready to go, without a decent beta test?
I have been working in software development for 10 years now, and I am always amazed about the “must have a beta of 10.000 players or more to weed out the bugs” statements. Do you really think that 10.000 is better than 500 (barring the stress test)? How the mumbojumbo do you think that you could possible handle the 10.000 12-yearolds and their bug-reports? They can hardly write!
And here comes the “all mmo’s have large betas” argument, yes most have, but they are not to weed out more bugs than betas of 500 they are stress-tests and free PR.
I am also a bit confused as to why you posted this question since Aventurine have stated that they will have an open beta to stress-test the game. Why should I doubt that?
4) Do you think that the problems on forums are due to ´trolls´ only, and not the way which Aventurine is dealing the things?
By large Yes, why should I blame Aventurine? Because they have a bad PR department?
5) Do you think that the sandbox genre can survive a failure? (oh, I forgot, this is NOT possible, since, you know, Tsos is a GOD, he can go back in time and make the things happens the way we, all Tasos followers want...)
Oh it’s possible all right, DFO could be a total flop no question about it. You see, you read too much into what I write I have never said that Tasos is GOD, you did that. The continuance of the hate against this game is what colored my responses in this forum not the gospel of Tasos.
Will the sandbox genre survive? Yes I think so. There are several more in the works, someone will get it right.
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I have nothing clever to say.
it's amusing that you spent the time to type all that out but forgot to include the facts:
1) numerous people outside of Aventurine have played the game, and are playing it right now.
2) there is abundant information, screenshots and videos of the game in the public domain
L2google.
Numerous people that are not a respectable website or magazine that wrote a review/preview is not a number at all.
well they had mentioend a Italianc group had come in played and got a few screenies. and full report go read it on DF forums if not stop trolling , and kinda noticed ur a WoW player as well then i guess u wont bother reading the report then.
Accusing a legitimate post of trolling is trolling on its own. My current subscription has nothing to do with the current topic. So please, stop with the trolling and get back to the real answers. Doesn't it really bother you that all we have on our hands is some kind of italian group that made some screenies? Some movies and screenies that the company itself made does not really represent a fair opinion in my mind. I mean, would you trust the company that says their product is great? Wouldn't their opinion be biased? The most trustworthy opinion is the opinion of the free press or people that are not affiliated with the company. But in order to get that, you need a public beta of sort. As far as I know, in all those years, there was no public beta. No independent press was invited for an extensive review/preview, or anything of the sort. If im wrong, please feel free to correct me with a link to the review. ANd once again, stop trolling.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
In my perspective, if the game is ready to launch that means that the servers are already prepared, tested and ready. If you do not have servers or they arent ready or not tested, then you are NOT ready to launch.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
nononononono! This thread has been providing me with comic relief for the last week! Please do not lock this thread! I wish Taco, i mean Tasos would post more of his madman rumblings here. I mean, the kid is brilliant as an ass face of the company.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
lol, Tasos is an ass. He just came across like a defensive jerk throughout the first 2/3 of that. He really shouldn't be doing the PR for that game.
Oh I don't know, he didn't seem to have any reason at all to be defensive /sarcasm
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That doesn't invalidate anything that I said.
Well said. I only wanted to add that if push came to shove and for some stupid odd reason we did have to show our credentials, then Tasos would have to be first. He hasn't really produced anything before, has he? If he has, Ill take my comment back. But if he hasn't, then he is just like me or you, a regular Joe who is making a game... or so he says he does.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
You lost any and all credibility after this post. GG
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
Hey Stradden,
You interviewed Tasos and no doubt you spoke with him on an unofficial level.
Can you be so good as to give us your opinion after having spoken with Tasos on that unofficial level, on whether or not you feel and believe DarkFall is indeed almost ready for release?
One other thing. It is now the 12th December 2008. More than a FEW days have passed since we all here were informed that a release date will be out "in a few days".
A couple = 2
A few = 3-4
Several = 5-9
I, and many others am sure will appreciate your feedback on the above.
Axxiss
How was your trip under the rock? A lot of things have happened since you were gone. Release Date was announcened a while ago, January 22nd.
With a "fanbase" like this, I'm really going to hate chatting in this game.
Well said. I don't understand the level of hostility shown towards this game just because it's not trying to follow the big marketing budget hype formula of other MMOs. Putting the game's development before ALL other considerations surely has to be admired, no? It's like some of the posters here *want* big MMO companies to continue releasing half-finished titles and expecting gamers to pay them to fix it.
The fact there is almost 200K+ forum/beta subscribers for Darkfall with 5K new subs added every week with *zero* marketing dollars spent is amazing.
Kudos to aventurine, and i sincerely hope they do well, because the MMO genre and industry NEEDs a shakeup.
I think most of the "hate" is directed towards Tasos. No self-respecting company would allow someone so unprofessional to handle PR. If such things happens, one must wonder why: is it because lack of funds to hire a professional? If so, then the followup question would be: is this just another scam intended to rip people "Dark and Light" style?
Im speculating here but if they have no money to do real PR or advertising, they go for the shock factor. They try to stirr up some flames to bring DF to attention. It doesn't matter if a lot of people voice their doubtsabout the game, some people will try the game regardless of the general view.
A game with so little information so close to release screms to me "im a failure". But we will have to wait and see what will actualy happen. Who knows, maybe everyone will suddenly love open FFA and full loot system. I know i wont.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
I think most of the "hate" is directed towards Tasos. No self-respecting company would allow someone so unprofessional to handle PR. If such things happens, one must wonder why: is it because lack of funds to hire a professional? If so, then the followup question would be: is this just another scam intended to rip people "Dark and Light" style?
Im speculating here but if they have no money to do real PR or advertising, they go for the shock factor. They try to stirr up some flames to bring DF to attention. It doesn't matter if a lot of people voice their doubtsabout the game, some people will try the game regardless of the general view.
A game with so little information so close to release screms to me "im a failure". But we will have to wait and see what will actualy happen. Who knows, maybe everyone will suddenly love open FFA and full loot system. I know i wont.
Most hate is directed towards the game Darkfall, not Tasos.
Many carebears fears there own game will suffer subscription losses if Darkfall is a success. They're plain egocentric.
What we need to learn is to pick the hate from the reality. Most fanboys think that any critic is ´hate´, and therefore it helps to hurt the game itself, for all critics help to improve the game in a way or another.
I think that Tasos is totally lost on it. A so secret beta test only means that there is no confidence in the game (specially so near the launch). The arrogance of the PR have been seen on PoBS, and we all know today the ´no crying on red circle´ mantra by now, and how PoBS is a joke nowdays... We dont want to that to happen on DFO, at least the ones who pursue the dream of a GOOD game, not the game itself (be it godd or bad).
DFO has an incridible concept, but the reality, today, teached us to be a little more... cautious... D&L. PoBS, AoC teached us a lesson... Great hype, arrogant devs and too promises with very low ´showing it up´ (like the marvelous PvP on battlekeeps, of AoC, the jewel of the crown, or the DX10, never show on beta but promised as ´certain´ until the launch) is a sign of great disaster... And all those points are HUGE on DFO.. (the hype on DFO is higher than the AoC, the arrogance of Tasos is far bigger than even the PoBS devs, and the secrecy of the main features we cant even start with, since we only knew of a ´ghost beta´, without even notices of ANYTHING, and VERY near the launch).
I am worried about it, everyday without notices of the beta (the real one, I mean) makes me a little more skeptical about DFO. Notice that I still love the game (the concept of it, I mean), and I really hope that ll those bad signs are only a terrible coincidence...