Btw here is the feature list i work with putting all the new info from latest screenshot / videos ... forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php Many thanks to Staatsschutz
Most of this feature list just link back to the FAQ and FEATURES LIST on the open website.
In other words. There are no proof of these hundreds of skills and spells. Not even videos of two mages fighting it out.
There are only very little to support all the many monsters. Or the size of the world. None of the second generation mechnics or crafting.
Come on... where is it?
Who here really believes this? Before you answer look through all the crafting promises. It is like the HOLY FRIGGIN GRAIL of mmos if it were true... but believe it??? LOL
Ah yes, of course. Silly me. Yes, they really should update the page. But about the feature list, if they don't give out preorders and let people first try the game before buying it, what would they gain by hiding things/lying? It really is simple as that IMO.
Why would ANY game that launches January 22nd. not give out preorders before xmas? If it is ready, feature complete and second generation and better than all the rest of the poorly programmed games like WAR, WoW and Lotro and the like?
Why not get a big chunk of the xmas sales??
Maybe because the day the accept preorders and money it will be fradulent and illegal. That is the only boundary they haven't overstepped, ... yet!
Maybe because they haven't spend millions to let the big public know that the game even exists? Maybe they prefer a slower start? One reason could also be that they still can't give exact date for NA launch? Take your pick.
Those are not replies. If the game releases in Europe in January why not take preorders?
Prefer a slower start? Jeeeezess.. how old are you? Have you ever heard of a company that wanted to earn less money?????
Why are you acting dimwitted and ask for preorders? You know and i think Aventurine knows too what the majority of the MMO community thinks about their game. If they start taking preorders it will just be used as an argument that it's a second DnL.
"The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands, To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming! On we sweep with threshing oar, our only goal will be the western shore."
So far, no one has put forth a plausible reason for not taking pre-orders before Xmas, when your release is Jan 22, 2009. Perhaps their Publisher is just not up to the task.
Yes there has. People keep saying it, but you fail to listen or you just want to egg people on.
They are not out to make big money, they are out to make a decent game.
Slow start.
Quality.
Speaks for itself.
Makes no sense what so ever.
If they have a feature complete game they would want preorders and sell it.
Or evenw show it.
Can someone please send me the video of those underworlds or TRACKLESS sea places? Even just a toon swimming? lol
If you can't figure out something is wrong, this is your problem, but something is totally wrong in this picture.
There is no shred of evidence for any of these features, yet even the most zealous fans can not come here to this thread and explain where all these features are.
Where???
You are right, there is no way anybody can know what the game has for features, like you suggest.
Though, it really doesn't matter to me personally, because I'll just try it when it comes out. I won't be losing out.
Now, if there were preorders and I had a box preordered, I would be a lot more skeptical. But as it stands, it will just release and we'll see.
Makes no sense what so ever. If they have a feature complete game they would want preorders and sell it. Or even show it. Can someone please send me the video of those underworlds or TRACKLESS sea places? Even just a toon swimming? lol
If you can't figure out something is wrong, this is your problem, but something is totally wrong in this picture. There is no shred of evidence for any of these features, yet even the most zealous fans can not come here to this thread and explain where all these features are. Where???
There are in the game ...
No one has the right to demand any feature being demonstrated before release..if you find out something is missing on release you free to not buy the game ..
So cry more ?
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No one has the right to demand any feature being demonstrated before release..if you find out something is missing on release you free to not buy the game ..
So cry more ?
Who is crying? I only see fans crying here whenever someone spells out the obvious.
Makes no sense what so ever. If they have a feature complete game they would want preorders and sell it. Or even show it. Can someone please send me the video of those underworlds or TRACKLESS sea places? Even just a toon swimming? lol
If you can't figure out something is wrong, this is your problem, but something is totally wrong in this picture. There is no shred of evidence for any of these features, yet even the most zealous fans can not come here to this thread and explain where all these features are. Where???
There are in the game ...
No one has the right to demand any feature being demonstrated before release..if you find out something is missing on release you free to not buy the game ..
So cry more ?
Damn that was such a good argument you just turned me into a fanboy. I can get rid of that thing called brains now and preach about how godly df is now.
I'm not a no life that sits in front of his computer all day long, I'm an intern that sits in front of his computer all day long.
I don't really know a MMO that DIDN't have pre-order... SWG, COV/COH, eve, WoW, everquest 2 , guild wars , LoTRO i mean come on
carry on...DnL
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Okay they have little budget for PR. Okay, I can buy that.
But for a company with a little budget for PR it would be crucial to make a good viral campaign. Instead of doing that they have alienated a large player base with promises no large company with 300+ developers could achieve. They claim to have built and re-built their own engine and create more features than any mmo out there over 7-8 years- despite saying development really started later.
It would be obvious that a game company with no PR budget would use mmorpg.com and many of the other western websites for online gaming for free, with previews etc.
If this game is feature complete why not show it off? Let's see those large underworlds and sea kingdoms, building of player cities and sieges and all. How can they even claim to be able to have 10s of thousands on a server when there is NO testing above a few dozens of people?
So what not do FREE PR? It makes no sense whatsoever.
If what they claim in the feature list was true it wouldn't be an online game but the second coming of Messias. Sangreal incarnated (or onlinenated)..
They haven't even updated their website a month before launch. Surely even a small team like that could ask someone to update the website. Hey even ask a friend to do it. How long can it take for a pro.
Everything I know of gaming, business, life and common sense, tells me this game will either never launch or will launch with 1000th of a fraction of what they promised.
THAT is why they are not showing the game. That is why there is no PR, that is why they don't take preorders (not wanting to be sued)..
Do you really beleive all these or even half is in the game? Have you any idea of the development needed? Time efforts costs?
I am not sure , some beta quote mentioned fishing and farming...
some fundamental ones like Blacksmithing , Armor / Weaponsmithing ..Yes makes no sense without
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Makes no sense what so ever. If they have a feature complete game they would want preorders and sell it. Or even show it. Can someone please send me the video of those underworlds or TRACKLESS sea places? Even just a toon swimming? lol
If you can't figure out something is wrong, this is your problem, but something is totally wrong in this picture. There is no shred of evidence for any of these features, yet even the most zealous fans can not come here to this thread and explain where all these features are. Where???
There are in the game ...
No one has the right to demand any feature being demonstrated before release..if you find out something is missing on release you free to not buy the game ..
So cry more ?
Damn that was such a good argument you just turned me into a fanboy. I can get rid of that thing called brains now and preach about how godly df is now.
Do you expected i am here to turn you or anyone else to a fanboi ?
Just did a statement how it is ...and btw something say to me that even if i started to proof some things demonstrated you wouldn't change your anti -df tune ..
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"Smoke and fire coming out of buildings, structures or equipment such as boats and siege weapons show the extent of damage they've received (AR 5, SR 8) Source: http://rpgvault.ign.com/articles/717/717767p1.html";
Can someone please link me to where there are any videos about this?
O I see - there are nothing to even support sieging, siege weapons, boats are in the game... right.. right on. I see ...
I don't think Aventurine spent many years in developing DF since 2003 with the "let's make the least possible money" in mind. Sorry but this is a business, and nobody creates a business thinking to make just a couple of bucks. The game has to be really polished and good, developing a game over 6 years is a lot of investment. The fact is that gamers won't accept another half-assed game because they already experienceed many half-assed games lately. Don't be surprised if Darkfall doesn't meet the gamers expectations.
The lack of information on the official Darkfall website worries me. I don't give squat about what people say on these forums, even developers. If you list a bunch of features on the official website and then when the game releases people find out that half of them are out, don't expect 150K + subs. Hell, I wish they get 300+, but let's get real, Aventurine is not a non-profit organization.
Oh but you forget: Tasos is God. Tasos doesn't need to prove anything. He is even above making money.
So despite he has a feature complete mmo ready, with full features promised and better and more revolutionary than any mmo in all of history, he still doesn't want the hundreds of millions of $.
Hey why even open with more than a European server??
Next thing we hear they will even donate their income away...
No one has the right to demand any feature being demonstrated before release..if you find out something is missing on release you free to not buy the game ..
So cry more ?
Who is crying? I only see fans crying here whenever someone spells out the obvious.
We will see who cries on the 22 nd of januari
some have faith others do not.
But why yoyu getting so worked up and agitated because some people believe in this game and its development team?
lol....just imagine ,....just imagine , they have a shitload full of features , they spend all their money on development and are trusting to let the product speak for itself . Just imagine what if , this game is some kind of a holy grail.
I have faith in them and tremendous respect.
I truly imagine they laugh at you as much as an atheist laughs at a christian that believes we all come from the big incest of Adam and Eve.
Oh but you forget: Tasos is God. Tasos doesn't need to prove anything. He is even above making money.
So despite he has a feature complete mmo ready, with full features promised and better and more revolutionary than any mmo in all of history, he still doesn't want the hundreds of millions of $.
Hey why even open with more than a European server??
Next thing we hear they will even donate their income away...
for real, actually it would be awesome to have a free subscription, and just pay for the download just for the giggles.
Couple of things: First, I'd like to say, again, that I'm looking forward to the 22nd, because, one way or another, we'll have an answer then. I'm also looking forward to trying the Free Trial and seeing for myself if Mr. Flambouras's bragging was deserved or not.
Now, to move on, there remain some thoughts that I have and which none of the huge number of threads here could really put at ease:
1) We've been told for a long time that the game is feature complete. We've recently been told the game is more ready for release than any game ever sampled by the big -F- himself. And yet, 7 weeks to launch, there is no drop of the NDA, there is no Open beta announcement, there is no display of -all- the features. There is no, not 1 person who has been allowed to talk about the game -freely- (no, Italians and even The n00b review do not count since they were still under NDA and the information was highly channeled).
I don't get it. I can understand a 22 day push-back of release due to distributor concerns, even if, quite honestly, it is a very weird business-decision NOT to launch during the christmas time when everyone is in a spending mood anyway. Most companies go out of their way to release products around christmas. Anyway, that in itself is not a problem. But where is the Free Trial? Where is the Open beta? If the game is so damn ready, why is it still behind a veil of secrecy? I have yet to hear a satisfactory answer to that, other than "they do things differently!".
2) The Website. Yes, this does bug me and some people may say it's not a big deal, but I do think it is a big deal. For a game that is supposedly not going to use much (or any) marketing and won't be covered in mainstream media -and- will likely only be available as Digital Download, the website is something like a showcase. And yet, DF's website has not been updated in...forever. No one has taken a minute of their time to at least bring the feature list up to speed.
There is no mention of the release date. There is zip indication that anything has changed in DF's status. In fact, it could very well be called false advertising. A customer coming new into the whole scene, seeing a link to the DF website and browsing through the feature list, going all wide-eyed and then going to buy the game from there will be disappointed, because a number of features that are promised in the FAQ have been removed from the game. The product DF, as advertised on the website, is not the product that will be released.
And if you're going to tell me that people -need- to read up more info on a game before buying it...sorry, that's just BS. If I go to the company's official homepage, I expect the information to be there...and that doesn't mean hidden away in dozens of Dev journals and in the forums.
Anyway...those are two concerns that keep nagging at me. Maybe they have valid reasons for doing things their way. Who knows? It just strikes me as odd. Of course, I will be (again) labeled as a Troll for this, but...*shrugs*. I remember a similar scenario about a year back. There was even a thread: "7 weeks till release, no drop of NDA, no Open Beta in sight...hmm.." The title was something like that.
That was for AoC. At the time, I also put my faith in a company to have valid reasons for this practice and was severely burned. Of course, Aventurine is not FunCom. But the similarities in that aspect are striking, no?
Don't expect any one to be able to refute all these things. Where are all the fans now?
Darkfall claims to have dynamic weather, dynamic swarm of enemies, not static. There servers hold tens of thousands and are completely scaleable.
Can you imagine how envious Funcom must be?? With their two development teams in both Norway and Asia they couldn't do that with ten times the manpower.
But we all know that Norway isn't a great IT country like Greece.
In fact they are so great in Aventurine they can promise all those ten of thousands pr. server without even having to test it.
Okay they have little budget for PR. Okay, I can buy that. But for a company with a little budget for PR it would be crucial to make a good viral campaign. Instead of doing that they have alienated a large player base with promises no large company with 300+ developers could achieve. They claim to have built and re-built their own engine and create more features than any mmo out there over 7-8 years- despite saying development really started later. It would be obvious that a game company with no PR budget would use mmorpg.com and many of the other western websites for online gaming for free, with previews etc. If this game is feature complete why not show it off? Let's see those large underworlds and sea kingdoms, building of player cities and sieges and all. How can they even claim to be able to have 10s of thousands on a server when there is NO testing above a few dozens of people? So what not do FREE PR? It makes no sense whatsoever. If what they claim in the feature list was true it wouldn't be an online game but the second coming of Messias. Sangreal incarnated (or onlinenated).. They haven't even updated their website a month before launch. Surely even a small team like that could ask someone to update the website. Hey even ask a friend to do it. How long can it take for a pro.
Everything I know of gaming, business, life and common sense, tells me this game will either never launch or will launch with 1000th of a fraction of what they promised. THAT is why they are not showing the game. That is why there is no PR, that is why they don't take preorders (not wanting to be sued)..
Use common sense, people. Please!
think about this for a second....
..imagine this ,... without spending almost a single euro on PR they will manage to reach millions of people , and then some more . They have created a mystery ,'underground' most promising and great game. IF or WHEN then game proves to be as great it will become a legend.
I don't think Aventurine spent many years in developing DF since 2003 with the "let's make the least possible money" in mind. Sorry but this is a business, and nobody creates a business thinking to make just a couple of bucks. The game has to be really polished and good, developing a game over 6 years is a lot of investment. The fact is that gamers won't accept another half-assed game because they already experienceed many half-assed games lately. Don't be surprised if Darkfall doesn't meet the gamers expectations.
The lack of information on the official Darkfall website worries me. I don't give squat about what people say on these forums, even developers. If you list a bunch of features on the official website and then when the game releases people find out that half of them are out, don't expect 150K + subs. Hell, I wish they get 300+, but let's get real, Aventurine is not a non-profit organization.
LoL nice that you point that out, "Aventurine is not a non-profit organization."
I can imagine some dev talks
"Kjetil : wouldn't be cool to implement spongdiver ?
Claus : fantastic idea, lets beg Tasos for another delay, i want my char sponge diving, community will love it ..
Claus: Hey Tasos , Kjetil had an idea...
Tasos :oh no ..not gain..guys we set up release date ..
Claus: But would be cool, the gamer will love it
Tasos: But we not a non-profit organization.
Claus : aww "
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Couple of things: First, I'd like to say, again, that I'm looking forward to the 22nd, because, one way or another, we'll have an answer then. I'm also looking forward to trying the Free Trial and seeing for myself if Mr. Flambouras's bragging was deserved or not.
Now, to move on, there remain some thoughts that I have and which none of the huge number of threads here could really put at ease:
1) We've been told for a long time that the game is feature complete. We've recently been told the game is more ready for release than any game ever sampled by the big -F- himself. And yet, 7 weeks to launch, there is no drop of the NDA, there is no Open beta announcement, there is no display of -all- the features. There is no, not 1 person who has been allowed to talk about the game -freely- (no, Italians and even The n00b review do not count since they were still under NDA and the information was highly channeled).
I don't get it. I can understand a 22 day push-back of release due to distributor concerns, even if, quite honestly, it is a very weird business-decision NOT to launch during the christmas time when everyone is in a spending mood anyway. Most companies go out of their way to release products around christmas. Anyway, that in itself is not a problem. But where is the Free Trial? Where is the Open beta? If the game is so damn ready, why is it still behind a veil of secrecy? I have yet to hear a satisfactory answer to that, other than "they do things differently!".
2) The Website. Yes, this does bug me and some people may say it's not a big deal, but I do think it is a big deal. For a game that is supposedly not going to use much (or any) marketing and won't be covered in mainstream media -and- will likely only be available as Digital Download, the website is something like a showcase. And yet, DF's website has not been updated in...forever. No one has taken a minute of their time to at least bring the feature list up to speed.
There is no mention of the release date. There is zip indication that anything has changed in DF's status. In fact, it could very well be called false advertising. A customer coming new into the whole scene, seeing a link to the DF website and browsing through the feature list, going all wide-eyed and then going to buy the game from there will be disappointed, because a number of features that are promised in the FAQ have been removed from the game. The product DF, as advertised on the website, is not the product that will be released.
And if you're going to tell me that people -need- to read up more info on a game before buying it...sorry, that's just BS. If I go to the company's official homepage, I expect the information to be there...and that doesn't mean hidden away in dozens of Dev journals and in the forums.
Anyway...those are two concerns that keep nagging at me. Maybe they have valid reasons for doing things their way. Who knows? It just strikes me as odd. Of course, I will be (again) labeled as a Troll for this, but...*shrugs*. I remember a similar scenario about a year back. There was even a thread: "7 weeks till release, no drop of NDA, no Open Beta in sight...hmm.." The title was something like that.
That was for AoC. At the time, I also put my faith in a company to have valid reasons for this practice and was severely burned. Of course, Aventurine is not FunCom. But the similarities in that aspect are striking, no?
at this point, I would like to know how I am going to get the game? I am going to try it, but where is the shopping cart?
Okay they have little budget for PR. Okay, I can buy that. But for a company with a little budget for PR it would be crucial to make a good viral campaign. Instead of doing that they have alienated a large player base with promises no large company with 300+ developers could achieve. They claim to have built and re-built their own engine and create more features than any mmo out there over 7-8 years- despite saying development really started later. It would be obvious that a game company with no PR budget would use mmorpg.com and many of the other western websites for online gaming for free, with previews etc. If this game is feature complete why not show it off? Let's see those large underworlds and sea kingdoms, building of player cities and sieges and all. How can they even claim to be able to have 10s of thousands on a server when there is NO testing above a few dozens of people? So what not do FREE PR? It makes no sense whatsoever. If what they claim in the feature list was true it wouldn't be an online game but the second coming of Messias. Sangreal incarnated (or onlinenated).. They haven't even updated their website a month before launch. Surely even a small team like that could ask someone to update the website. Hey even ask a friend to do it. How long can it take for a pro.
Everything I know of gaming, business, life and common sense, tells me this game will either never launch or will launch with 1000th of a fraction of what they promised. THAT is why they are not showing the game. That is why there is no PR, that is why they don't take preorders (not wanting to be sued)..
Use common sense, people. Please!
think about this for a second....
..imagine this ,... without spending almost a single euro on PR they will manage to reach millions of people , and then some more . They have created a mystery ,'underground' most promising and great game. IF or WHEN then game proves to be as great it will become a legend.
The best way to achieve all that would be to engage with all the online gaming companies and give them previews. That is FREE PR AND FREE ADVERTISEMENT.
You know the old saying: if it smells like...
My point is a company with no PR budget would be craving to get the attention of the world, not sitting there with the arms crossed like Tasos and being insulted at even getting interviewed... DOH!
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Most of this feature list just link back to the FAQ and FEATURES LIST on the open website.
In other words. There are no proof of these hundreds of skills and spells. Not even videos of two mages fighting it out.
There are only very little to support all the many monsters. Or the size of the world. None of the second generation mechnics or crafting.
Come on... where is it?
Who here really believes this? Before you answer look through all the crafting promises. It is like the HOLY FRIGGIN GRAIL of mmos if it were true... but believe it??? LOL
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Why would ANY game that launches January 22nd. not give out preorders before xmas? If it is ready, feature complete and second generation and better than all the rest of the poorly programmed games like WAR, WoW and Lotro and the like?
Why not get a big chunk of the xmas sales??
Maybe because the day the accept preorders and money it will be fradulent and illegal. That is the only boundary they haven't overstepped, ... yet!
Maybe because they haven't spend millions to let the big public know that the game even exists? Maybe they prefer a slower start? One reason could also be that they still can't give exact date for NA launch? Take your pick.
Those are not replies. If the game releases in Europe in January why not take preorders?
Prefer a slower start? Jeeeezess.. how old are you? Have you ever heard of a company that wanted to earn less money?????
Why are you acting dimwitted and ask for preorders? You know and i think Aventurine knows too what the majority of the MMO community thinks about their game. If they start taking preorders it will just be used as an argument that it's a second DnL.
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
On we sweep with threshing oar, our only goal will be the western shore."
Yes there has. People keep saying it, but you fail to listen or you just want to egg people on.
They are not out to make big money, they are out to make a decent game.
Slow start.
Quality.
Speaks for itself.
Makes no sense what so ever.
If they have a feature complete game they would want preorders and sell it.
Or evenw show it.
Can som eone please send me the video of those underworlds or TRACKLESS sea places? Even just a toon swimming? lol
If you can't figure out something is wrong, this is your problem, but something is totally wrong in this picture.
There is no shred of evidence for any of these features, yet even the most zealous fans can not come here to this thread and explain where all these features are.
Where???
You are right, there is no way anybody can know what the game has for features, like you suggest.
Though, it really doesn't matter to me personally, because I'll just try it when it comes out. I won't be losing out.
Now, if there were preorders and I had a box preordered, I would be a lot more skeptical. But as it stands, it will just release and we'll see.
I'm okay with that.
There are in the game ...
No one has the right to demand any feature being demonstrated before release..if you find out something is missing on release you free to not buy the game ..
So cry more ?
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-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
Look at the trade skills:
Known Trade Skills:
Farming (AR 10, SR 10) Source: http://www.darkfallonline.com/faq/world.html
Setting Snares (AR 10, SR 10) Source: http://www.darkfallonline.com/faq/world.html
Hunting (AR 10, SR 10) Source: http://www.darkfallonline.com/faq/world.html
Baking (AR 10, SR 10) Source: http://www.darkfallonline.com/faq/world.html
Cooking (AR 10, SR 10) Source: http://www.darkfallonline.com/faq/world.html
Fishing (AR 10, SR 10) Source: http://www.darkfallonline.com/faq/world.html
Mining (AR 10, SR 10) Source: http://www.darkfallonline.com/features/freedom.html
Lumberjacking (AR 8, SR 8) Source: http://rpgvault.ign.com/articles/719/719331p1.html
Herbalism (AR 8, SR 8) Source: http://rpgvault.ign.com/articles/719/719331p1.html
Blacksmithing (AR 8, SR 8) Source: http://rpgvault.ign.com/articles/719/719331p1.html
Armorsmithing (AR 8, SR 8) Source: http://rpgvault.ign.com/articles/719/719331p1.html
Weaponsmithing (AR 8, SR 8) Source: http://rpgvault.ign.com/articles/719/719331p1.html
Tinkering (AR 8, SR 8) Source: http://rpgvault.ign.com/articles/719/719331p1.html
Enchanting (AR 8, SR 8) Source: http://rpgvault.ign.com/articles/719/719331p1.html
Fletching (AR 8, SR 8) Source: http://rpgvault.ign.com/articles/719/719331p1.html
Alchemy (AR 8, SR 8) Source: http://rpgvault.ign.com/articles/719/719331p1.html
Do you really beleive all these or even half is in the game?
Have you any idea of the development needed? Time efforts costs?
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I wonder what the timesinks will be in this game.
There are in the game ...
No one has the right to demand any feature being demonstrated before release..if you find out something is missing on release you free to not buy the game ..
So cry more ?
Who is crying? I only see fans crying here whenever someone spells out the obvious.
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I don't really know a MMO that DIDN't have pre-order... SWG, COV/COH, eve, WoW, everquest 2 , guild wars , LoTRO i mean come on
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There are in the game ...
No one has the right to demand any feature being demonstrated before release..if you find out something is missing on release you free to not buy the game ..
So cry more ?
Damn that was such a good argument you just turned me into a fanboy. I can get rid of that thing called brains now and preach about how godly df is now.
I'm not a no life that sits in front of his computer all day long, I'm an intern that sits in front of his computer all day long.
carry on...DnL
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So let's talk about the PR.
Okay they have little budget for PR. Okay, I can buy that.
But for a company with a little budget for PR it would be crucial to make a good viral campaign. Instead of doing that they have alienated a large player base with promises no large company with 300+ developers could achieve. They claim to have built and re-built their own engine and create more features than any mmo out there over 7-8 years- despite saying development really started later.
It would be obvious that a game company with no PR budget would use mmorpg.com and many of the other western websites for online gaming for free, with previews etc.
If this game is feature complete why not show it off? Let's see those large underworlds and sea kingdoms, building of player cities and sieges and all. How can they even claim to be able to have 10s of thousands on a server when there is NO testing above a few dozens of people?
So what not do FREE PR? It makes no sense whatsoever.
If what they claim in the feature list was true it wouldn't be an online game but the second coming of Messias. Sangreal incarnated (or onlinenated)..
They haven't even updated their website a month before launch. Surely even a small team like that could ask someone to update the website. Hey even ask a friend to do it. How long can it take for a pro.
Everything I know of gaming, business, life and common sense, tells me this game will either never launch or will launch with 1000th of a fraction of what they promised.
THAT is why they are not showing the game. That is why there is no PR, that is why they don't take preorders (not wanting to be sued)..
Use common sense, people. Please!
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I am not sure , some beta quote mentioned fishing and farming...
some fundamental ones like Blacksmithing , Armor / Weaponsmithing ..Yes makes no sense without
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"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
There are in the game ...
No one has the right to demand any feature being demonstrated before release..if you find out something is missing on release you free to not buy the game ..
So cry more ?
Damn that was such a good argument you just turned me into a fanboy. I can get rid of that thing called brains now and preach about how godly df is now.
Do you expected i am here to turn you or anyone else to a fanboi ?
Just did a statement how it is ...and btw something say to me that even if i started to proof some things demonstrated you wouldn't change your anti -df tune ..
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-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
"Smoke and fire coming out of buildings, structures or equipment such as boats and siege weapons show the extent of damage they've received (AR 5, SR 8) Source: http://rpgvault.ign.com/articles/717/717767p1.html";
Can someone please link me to where there are any videos about this?
O I see - there are nothing to even support sieging, siege weapons, boats are in the game... right.. right on. I see ...
DOH!
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I don't think Aventurine spent many years in developing DF since 2003 with the "let's make the least possible money" in mind. Sorry but this is a business, and nobody creates a business thinking to make just a couple of bucks. The game has to be really polished and good, developing a game over 6 years is a lot of investment. The fact is that gamers won't accept another half-assed game because they already experienceed many half-assed games lately. Don't be surprised if Darkfall doesn't meet the gamers expectations.
The lack of information on the official Darkfall website worries me. I don't give squat about what people say on these forums, even developers. If you list a bunch of features on the official website and then when the game releases people find out that half of them are out, don't expect 150K + subs. Hell, I wish they get 300+, but let's get real, Aventurine is not a non-profit organization.
Oh but you forget: Tasos is God. Tasos doesn't need to prove anything. He is even above making money.
So despite he has a feature complete mmo ready, with full features promised and better and more revolutionary than any mmo in all of history, he still doesn't want the hundreds of millions of $.
Hey why even open with more than a European server??
Next thing we hear they will even donate their income away...
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There are in the game ...
No one has the right to demand any feature being demonstrated before release..if you find out something is missing on release you free to not buy the game ..
So cry more ?
Who is crying? I only see fans crying here whenever someone spells out the obvious.
We will see who cries on the 22 nd of januari
some have faith others do not.
But why yoyu getting so worked up and agitated because some people believe in this game and its development team?
lol....just imagine ,....just imagine , they have a shitload full of features , they spend all their money on development and are trusting to let the product speak for itself . Just imagine what if , this game is some kind of a holy grail.
I have faith in them and tremendous respect.
I truly imagine they laugh at you as much as an atheist laughs at a christian that believes we all come from the big incest of Adam and Eve.
Oh but you forget: Tasos is God. Tasos doesn't need to prove anything. He is even above making money.
So despite he has a feature complete mmo ready, with full features promised and better and more revolutionary than any mmo in all of history, he still doesn't want the hundreds of millions of $.
Hey why even open with more than a European server??
Next thing we hear they will even donate their income away...
for real, actually it would be awesome to have a free subscription, and just pay for the download just for the giggles.
To be honest the hardest feature for me to believe is the one where the game is actually going to be released.
Couple of things: First, I'd like to say, again, that I'm looking forward to the 22nd, because, one way or another, we'll have an answer then. I'm also looking forward to trying the Free Trial and seeing for myself if Mr. Flambouras's bragging was deserved or not.
Now, to move on, there remain some thoughts that I have and which none of the huge number of threads here could really put at ease:
1) We've been told for a long time that the game is feature complete. We've recently been told the game is more ready for release than any game ever sampled by the big -F- himself. And yet, 7 weeks to launch, there is no drop of the NDA, there is no Open beta announcement, there is no display of -all- the features. There is no, not 1 person who has been allowed to talk about the game -freely- (no, Italians and even The n00b review do not count since they were still under NDA and the information was highly channeled).
I don't get it. I can understand a 22 day push-back of release due to distributor concerns, even if, quite honestly, it is a very weird business-decision NOT to launch during the christmas time when everyone is in a spending mood anyway. Most companies go out of their way to release products around christmas. Anyway, that in itself is not a problem. But where is the Free Trial? Where is the Open beta? If the game is so damn ready, why is it still behind a veil of secrecy? I have yet to hear a satisfactory answer to that, other than "they do things differently!".
2) The Website. Yes, this does bug me and some people may say it's not a big deal, but I do think it is a big deal. For a game that is supposedly not going to use much (or any) marketing and won't be covered in mainstream media -and- will likely only be available as Digital Download, the website is something like a showcase. And yet, DF's website has not been updated in...forever. No one has taken a minute of their time to at least bring the feature list up to speed.
There is no mention of the release date. There is zip indication that anything has changed in DF's status. In fact, it could very well be called false advertising. A customer coming new into the whole scene, seeing a link to the DF website and browsing through the feature list, going all wide-eyed and then going to buy the game from there will be disappointed, because a number of features that are promised in the FAQ have been removed from the game. The product DF, as advertised on the website, is not the product that will be released.
And if you're going to tell me that people -need- to read up more info on a game before buying it...sorry, that's just BS. If I go to the company's official homepage, I expect the information to be there...and that doesn't mean hidden away in dozens of Dev journals and in the forums.
Anyway...those are two concerns that keep nagging at me. Maybe they have valid reasons for doing things their way. Who knows? It just strikes me as odd. Of course, I will be (again) labeled as a Troll for this, but...*shrugs*. I remember a similar scenario about a year back. There was even a thread: "7 weeks till release, no drop of NDA, no Open Beta in sight...hmm.." The title was something like that.
That was for AoC. At the time, I also put my faith in a company to have valid reasons for this practice and was severely burned. Of course, Aventurine is not FunCom. But the similarities in that aspect are striking, no?
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
Don't expect any one to be able to refute all these things. Where are all the fans now?
Darkfall claims to have dynamic weather, dynamic swarm of enemies, not static. There servers hold tens of thousands and are completely scaleable.
Can you imagine how envious Funcom must be?? With their two development teams in both Norway and Asia they couldn't do that with ten times the manpower.
But we all know that Norway isn't a great IT country like Greece.
In fact they are so great in Aventurine they can promise all those ten of thousands pr. server without even having to test it.
WOW
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think about this for a second....
..imagine this ,... without spending almost a single euro on PR they will manage to reach millions of people , and then some more . They have created a mystery ,'underground' most promising and great game. IF or WHEN then game proves to be as great it will become a legend.
LoL nice that you point that out, "Aventurine is not a non-profit organization."
I can imagine some dev talks
"Kjetil : wouldn't be cool to implement spongdiver ?
Claus : fantastic idea, lets beg Tasos for another delay, i want my char sponge diving, community will love it ..
Claus: Hey Tasos , Kjetil had an idea...
Tasos :oh no ..not gain..guys we set up release date ..
Claus: But would be cool, the gamer will love it
Tasos: But we not a non-profit organization.
Claus : aww "
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at this point, I would like to know how I am going to get the game? I am going to try it, but where is the shopping cart?
think about this for a second....
..imagine this ,... without spending almost a single euro on PR they will manage to reach millions of people , and then some more . They have created a mystery ,'underground' most promising and great game. IF or WHEN then game proves to be as great it will become a legend.
The best way to achieve all that would be to engage with all the online gaming companies and give them previews. That is FREE PR AND FREE ADVERTISEMENT.
You know the old saying: if it smells like...
My point is a company with no PR budget would be craving to get the attention of the world, not sitting there with the arms crossed like Tasos and being insulted at even getting interviewed... DOH!
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