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Calling out the claims of Aventurine / Tasos OR why I DON'T believe

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  • DraccanDraccan Member Posts: 1,050
    Originally posted by GrayGhost79

    Originally posted by Draccan

    Originally posted by GrayGhost79

    Originally posted by DarthRaiden

    Originally posted by Draccan


     
    Let's look at some more features:
    Ships and Naval Warfare:
    ...........................

     

     

    LOL i think that will hit you now ..watch before you fall down

    www.youtube.com/watch

     

     

    Yeah it's funny that most of what he claims is a scam is in that Vid lol. Pretty fitting if you ask me lol.I hope he watches all 6 parts though to see how truely foolish he looks to everyone after his rant. 

     

    I have seen this scripted piece of **** many times. There is no shred of evidence in there...

    Let real people play all these features... video them... real gameplay.. no bs.

    They can't and they haven't!

     

    Bottom line is you got exactly what you asked for. So you are saying now that you were just trolling then?

     

    Are you kidding me?

    These videos are scripted. There is not 1 video out there from a player's perspective that all these features are in. Why not show a naval battle from a real players perspective. Let's see it with all the UI turned on. Let's see how they operate the gun and aim it and board the ship.

    All I see is groups mechnically moved (be that people swimming or ships moving)... nothing to support these features are programmed and in the game.

    Where have we seen this before? Funcom / AoC. Look at them showing sieges and player cities. Remember how you were supposed to be sieged by NPCs for your player cities?

    Was it in the game? nope...

     

    So ...

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  • imbantimbant Member Posts: 1,291
    Originally posted by remusus03

    Originally posted by Agricola1


    this thread needs a sticky in my opinion, I looked at the DF website but couldn't find as much specific information as this. I found thier FAQ to be extremely vague, I have heard followers of DF to make these claims but don't remember anything defianate from Aventurine. This should be stickied for post Jan 22nd, I'd love to see if what the fans have been saying is true. If so I'll buy it in a heartbeat, but in all honesty I don't see how it could be possible for 30 semi-pro code crunchers in Greece to do it without a proper beta even!

     

    proper Beta as compared to WHAT? differnt TYPE of games require DIFFERENT TYPES of BETA learn to ADAPT differenmt strategies Based on wat ur Offering not wat everyone else does the same and FAILS the same way



     

    A proper beta would be what AoC did.  That game was silky smooth on release and had no bugs and had a great launch.  Clearly Darkfall should not run the beta how they think because the "pros" do it differently and clearly it is the proper way.

    WAR also had a good beta in which there were definitely no bugs at all and had great balance in the classes!  (seriously it was way better than AoC beta but still failed on a few features)

    I laugh every time someone knocks AVenturine for not "being like the pros"....cause the pros have been sooooo successfull since WoW.

     

    ~~
    Darkfall Releases on: February 25th, 2009

    Darkfall Recap of everything that has happened the last 3 months: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/213296

    "The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester

    "If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos

  • vader999vader999 Member UncommonPosts: 136
    Originally posted by GrayGhost79

    Originally posted by Draccan

    Originally posted by GrayGhost79

    Originally posted by DarthRaiden

    Originally posted by Draccan


     
    Let's look at some more features:
    Ships and Naval Warfare:
    ...........................

     

     

    LOL i think that will hit you now ..watch before you fall down

    www.youtube.com/watch

     

     

    Yeah it's funny that most of what he claims is a scam is in that Vid lol. Pretty fitting if you ask me lol.I hope he watches all 6 parts though to see how truely foolish he looks to everyone after his rant. 

     

    I have seen this scripted piece of **** many times. There is no shred of evidence in there...

    Let real people play all these features... video them... real gameplay.. no bs.

    They can't and they haven't!

     

    Bottom line is you got exactly what you asked for. So you are saying now that you were just trolling then?



    Do you understand the difference between a scripted video and a gameplay video? Try this , from 00:57 onwards I don't remember AoC at release having half those features in or at a minimum 100 v 100 battles. A gameplay video shows that features are in, a scripted video just shows they have a functioning world engine.
  • DraccanDraccan Member Posts: 1,050
    Originally posted by imbant

    Originally posted by Draccan

    Originally posted by GrayGhost79

    Originally posted by DarthRaiden

    Originally posted by Draccan


     
    Let's look at some more features:
    Ships and Naval Warfare:
    ...........................

     

     

    LOL i think that will hit you now ..watch before you fall down

    www.youtube.com/watch

     

     

    Yeah it's funny that most of what he claims is a scam is in that Vid lol. Pretty fitting if you ask me lol.I hope he watches all 6 parts though to see how truely foolish he looks to everyone after his rant. 

     

    I have seen this scripted piece of **** many times. There is no shred of evidence in there...

    Let real people play all these features... video them... real gameplay.. no bs.

    They can't and they haven't!



     

    /thread

    if it wasnt painfully clear from his post history....draccn is not here for discussion.  He refuses to believe anything and any proof is just faked of cgi etc....

    I dont know why he continues to post because nothing is going to satisfy him until release or ob.  oh well, good for a laugh, especially since this thread got as many replies as it did.

     

    Again ... instead of refuting the claims you can attack the person posting about it.

    Obviously these things aren't in this fictive game... so how could you defend it.

    How can you explain how this little team a tenth the size of Funcom's (who already had a game engine) could make game so huge and varied and filled with so many features?

    Why are WAR or AoC so featureless and broken then? Of course TASOS is God so he doesn't have to prove anything.

    Not one shred of credible evidence to support even half these features And nothing but scripted videos.

    I bet half the crowd posting so lovingly about this game very regularly here are somehow mixed up with Tasos...

     

     

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  • DarthRaidenDarthRaiden Member UncommonPosts: 4,333
    Originally posted by vader999



    Do you understand the difference between a scripted video and a gameplay video? Try this , from 00:57 onwards I don't remember AoC at release having half those features in or at a minimum 100 v 100 battles. A gameplay video shows that features are in, a scripted video just shows they have a functioning world engine.

    The perspective changes to First person often enough in that vid to proof they pure ingame ...

    Hence you see how the cannonman aims to shot  from the ship in his perspective...you can see his crosshair..

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  • busdriverbusdriver Member Posts: 859
    Originally posted by Draccan

    Originally posted by busdriver

    Originally posted by Draccan

    Originally posted by busdriver

    Originally posted by Draccan

    Originally posted by busdriver


    Ah yes, of course. Silly me. Yes, they really should update the page. But about the feature list, if they don't give out preorders and let people first try the game before buying it, what would they gain by hiding things/lying? It really is simple as that IMO.

     

    Why would ANY game that launches January 22nd. not give out preorders before xmas? If it is ready, feature complete and second generation and better than all the rest of the poorly programmed games like WAR, WoW and Lotro and the like?

    Why not get a big chunk of the xmas sales??

    Maybe because the day the accept preorders and money it will be fradulent and illegal. That is the only boundary they haven't overstepped, ... yet!

     

    Maybe because they haven't spend millions to let the big public know that the game even exists? Maybe they prefer a slower start? One reason could also be that they still can't give exact date for NA launch? Take your pick.

     

    Those are not replies. If the game releases in Europe in January why not take preorders?

    Prefer a slower start? Jeeeezess.. how old are you? Have you ever heard of a company that wanted to earn less money?????

     



     

    How would they gain any more money with preorders?? Not many people are into preordering things, including me, and especially in Darkfall case, the number of people who would preorder is relatively small since it is still a big question if the game actually delivers (you could also add the fact that recent games that offered preorders were huge failures/scams, so people are more wary). If you have huge marketing campaign all over, then the number of people who preorder is bigger --> you make lots of money even if most of those don't continue to subscribe.

    Prefer slower start, yes it makes perfect sense. You won't have to initially add huge number of servers, just to merge them after a couple of months, like in AoC/WAR/VG. Aventurine is a small company and while I don't know all that much about running a company, it seems like a smart thing to start things slowly and grow from there.

    "How old are you?" LMAO, I'm not the one that can't wait to test the game himself and prefers on the boards few weeks before launch.

     

    Again who is crying? I am laughing my ... off at the moment... soo your point is?

     

    Exactly how gullible are you? 

    If they truly have had 20 people for almost a decade sitting coding this game with its gazilion of billions of cool features that no one else can deliver, don't you think it would have raked up millions and millions of $ in cost by now?

    Whatever money tank they sit on must be endless...

    Tasos: Let's not do preorder, no PR, hell let's not even give real deep interviews or show the game in proper videos... yea we have the perfect game BETTER than ALL competition, but we are too good having to do preorders or sell boxes... lets do a slow start!! Why even sell the game in US or ASIA. Lets just launch in Greece..

    Money tank: ..................... :-O what ... come again??

     



     

    Yet they haven't done huge marketing, instead they still haven't backed out from any of their major features, still haven't changed their promise to let everyone to first test their game before buying and have promised open beta. So what the fuck is your point? If they were offering preorders I would be all over different gaming sites warning people NOT to preorder, but you are instead  because they don't offer preorders? How the hell does that make any sense??

    Truth is, they've spend almost a decade of their lives to this project, moved to another country (their family with them in some cases) and pretty much sacrificed their best working years instead of making a lot of money in some software/whatever company.

  • SignusMSignusM Member Posts: 2,225

     NPC hirelings are out of the game. This we know. No it was not due to lack of time, it was a direction change. Give them another year to develop and you still would not see NPC hirelings. We found out about this almost a year ago. 

  • DraccanDraccan Member Posts: 1,050
    Originally posted by DarthRaiden

    Originally posted by vader999



    Do you understand the difference between a scripted video and a gameplay video? Try this , from 00:57 onwards I don't remember AoC at release having half those features in or at a minimum 100 v 100 battles. A gameplay video shows that features are in, a scripted video just shows they have a functioning world engine.

    The perspective changes to First person often enough in that vid to proof they pure ingame ...

    Hence you see how the cannonman aims to shot  from the ship in his perspective...you can see his crosshair..

     

    So if it is in game why not show it with UI on.

    Notice how all Darkfall videos doesn't show a full fight from start to finish with UI on? It is just cutting from camera to camera and not really revealing how a figtht takes place. Look at the video five of this trailer where two riders engage two riders and just when they meet... CUT to a new scene..

    Same with the ship scenes.

    And look at how the people swimming are perfectly aligned... it is like one big sprite not 8-10 individuals moving ...

     

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  • BlodplsBlodpls Member Posts: 1,454

    This rant is obviously coming from someone who has absolutly no idea about coding in general.  A lot of those features especially the crafting are all using exactly the same code with very minor modifications.  All thats different is the database entry and the backpack item graphics. Not very hard to do but takes a while.

    Why can't other dev teams do this properly? God knows they obviously very very bad at time management.  What some devs do is the equivalent of cowboy building, they just run out of time and release as it is.

  • OpiumKingOpiumKing Member Posts: 75
    Originally posted by Draccan


    So where is Original Eggplant or whatever he is called..



     

    This made me LOL

  • singsofdeathsingsofdeath Member UncommonPosts: 1,812
    Originally posted by SignusM


     NPC hirelings are out of the game. This we know. No it was not due to lack of time, it was a direction change. Give them another year to develop and you still would not see NPC hirelings. We found out about this almost a year ago. 

     

    You wouldn't know that if you were a normal, browsing person looking for a possible new game and stumbling over DF's website.

     

    This is a perfect example of what I was talöking about earlier. "We found out years ago"...yeah well, in some Dev Journals and in some forum posts. Anyone coming in now has no clue about it.

  • BlodplsBlodpls Member Posts: 1,454
    Originally posted by Draccan 
    So if it is in game why not show it with UI on.
    Notice how all Darkfall videos doesn't show a full fight from start to finish with UI on?

     

    WTF? Come back when you have watched all the videos, lame.

  • imbantimbant Member Posts: 1,291
    Originally posted by vader999

    Originally posted by GrayGhost79

    Originally posted by Draccan

    Originally posted by GrayGhost79

    Originally posted by DarthRaiden

    Originally posted by Draccan


     
    Let's look at some more features:
    Ships and Naval Warfare:
    ...........................

     

     

    LOL i think that will hit you now ..watch before you fall down

    www.youtube.com/watch

     

     

    Yeah it's funny that most of what he claims is a scam is in that Vid lol. Pretty fitting if you ask me lol.I hope he watches all 6 parts though to see how truely foolish he looks to everyone after his rant. 

     

    I have seen this scripted piece of **** many times. There is no shred of evidence in there...

    Let real people play all these features... video them... real gameplay.. no bs.

    They can't and they haven't!

     

    Bottom line is you got exactly what you asked for. So you are saying now that you were just trolling then?


    Do you understand the difference between a scripted video and a gameplay video? Try this , from 00:57 onwards I don't remember AoC at release having half those features in or at a minimum 100 v 100 battles. A gameplay video shows that features are in, a scripted video just shows they have a functioning world engine.



     

    Do YOU understand what it is?

    If you dont think that video was 100% ingme footage with real players behind the characters...then why are you here?

    I ask because if you believe that then you obviously are unable to trust someone and therefor should not be following this game or any other game until it releases.

    Seriously people have ISSUES if they just think everything is a scam and a fake.

    Wake up....no preorders, no reason to scam us, we will be able to test the game before we play or simply wait for the reviews.

    No reason to think that this is a big scam.

    FACT:  The video was 100% in game footage of gameplay.

    If you want to deny that, then it is the same as saying i think WAR is going to shut down next month because I dont believe everything the developers have said otherwise.  Yea extreme example but its just a matter of choosing not to trust something to follow your own agenda.

    Thanks to OP and the other trolls for making another thread to get the darkfall name on the front page more and more.

    IF it wasnt for you guys, who knows where this game would be!

    ~~
    Darkfall Releases on: February 25th, 2009

    Darkfall Recap of everything that has happened the last 3 months: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/213296

    "The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester

    "If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos

  • DraccanDraccan Member Posts: 1,050
    Originally posted by busdriver

    Originally posted by Draccan

    Originally posted by busdriver

     



     

    Yet they haven't done huge marketing, instead they still haven't backed out from any of their major features, still haven't changed their promise to let everyone to first test their game before buying and have promised open beta. So what the fuck is your point? If they were offering preorders I would be all over different gaming sites warning people NOT to preorder, but you are instead  because they don't offer preorders? How the hell does that make any sense??

    Truth is, they've spend almost a decade of their lives to this project, moved to another country (their family with them in some cases) and pretty much sacrificed their best working years instead of making a lot of money in some software/whatever company.

     

    Did you even read a quarter of what I wrote?

    Who the heck except the fans when others point out the obvious?

    I couldn't care less about preordering. But it goes to show they are not committed to releasing this game soon.

    If they had put all this development time into this "feature complete" and better than all the competition where are all the real gaming magazine previews?

    Where are the beta leaks?

    And what about their claim of tens of thousands per server? Dont they need to test that before making the claim???????????

     

    Point me to a NON-SCRIPTED video with UI on for half those features... I would love to see just a quarter of these 100+ dungeons or TRACKLESS water worlds or large underworld..

    And real fights, from start to finish, no fancy quick cuts or camera movement... just regular videos... If not this is just AoC = empty promises all over multiplied by a 1000

     

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  • GravebladeGraveblade Member UncommonPosts: 547

    No news is good news!

    Started playing mmorpg's in 1996 and have been hooked ever since. It began with Kingdom of Drakkar, Ultima Online, Everquest, DAoC, WoW...
  • OpiumKingOpiumKing Member Posts: 75
    Originally posted by imbant


    Wake up....no preorders, no reason to scam us, we will be able to test the game before we play or simply wait for the reviews.
    No reason to think that this is a big scam.

    You do realize that Razorwax which since 2003 before filing bankruptcy in 2006 consists of the very same people who own Aventurine and were involved in some type of ilegal shareholder loans within the company right?

    Noted by an official auditor on two seperate occasions.

  • GravebladeGraveblade Member UncommonPosts: 547

    LOL i think someone has a bit of a feud or something.

    Started playing mmorpg's in 1996 and have been hooked ever since. It began with Kingdom of Drakkar, Ultima Online, Everquest, DAoC, WoW...
  • imbantimbant Member Posts: 1,291
    Originally posted by Draccan


     
    Did you even read a quarter of what I wrote?
    Who the heck except the fans when others point out the obvious?
    I couldn't care less about preordering. But it goes to show they are not committed to releasing this game soon.
    If they had put all this development time into this "feature complete" and better than all the competition where are all the real gaming magazine previews?
    Where are the beta leaks?
    And what about their claim of tens of thousands per server? Dont they need to test that before making the claim???????????
     
    Point me to a NON-SCRIPTED video with UI on for half those features... I would love to see just a quarter of these 100+ dungeons or TRACKLESS water worlds or large underworld..
    And real fights, from start to finish, no fancy quick cuts or camera movement... just regular videos... If not this is just AoC = empty promises all over multiplied by a 1000
     

    "I'd question the motives of those speculating all these years. We're almost talking about obsessive "trolling" either looking for a reaction, more information, or trying to hurt our efforts.

    Darkfall is a game that stands out, it's not a clone. Some people doubt it's possible, others worry that it is. Either way it generates a lot of interest. If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic.

    Another red flag is Darkfall's large, active and very passionate community. A lot of communities would like to be like Darkfall's. Slandering our game is a way to get a reaction.

    We have a thick skin; this kind of thing doesn't touch us. It actually makes us feel like we're on the right track. It has also served to fire up our community and has created diehard fans. It got a lot of people to take a closer look at our game and realize that this is what they've been waiting for. All the "trolls" have achieved is to inadvertently help perpetuate the buzz for Darkfall.?



     

    -Tasos

     

    So again...Thanks Draccan...are you hired by Aventurine?  You have helped promote the game better than the most fanboish fanbois around!

    ~~
    Darkfall Releases on: February 25th, 2009

    Darkfall Recap of everything that has happened the last 3 months: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/213296

    "The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester

    "If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos

  • DraccanDraccan Member Posts: 1,050
    Originally posted by imbant

    Originally posted by vader999

    Originally posted by GrayGhost79

    Originally posted by Draccan

    Originally posted by GrayGhost79

    Originally posted by DarthRaiden

    Originally posted by Draccan


     
    Let's look at some more features:
    Ships and Naval Warfare:
    ...........................

     

     

    LOL i think that will hit you now ..watch before you fall down

    www.youtube.com/watch

     

     

    Yeah it's funny that most of what he claims is a scam is in that Vid lol. Pretty fitting if you ask me lol.I hope he watches all 6 parts though to see how truely foolish he looks to everyone after his rant. 

     

    I have seen this scripted piece of **** many times. There is no shred of evidence in there...

    Let real people play all these features... video them... real gameplay.. no bs.

    They can't and they haven't!

     

    Bottom line is you got exactly what you asked for. So you are saying now that you were just trolling then?


    Do you understand the difference between a scripted video and a gameplay video? Try this , from 00:57 onwards I don't remember AoC at release having half those features in or at a minimum 100 v 100 battles. A gameplay video shows that features are in, a scripted video just shows they have a functioning world engine.



     

    Do YOU understand what it is?

    If you dont think that video was 100% ingme footage with real players behind the characters...then why are you here?

    I ask because if you believe that then you obviously are unable to trust someone and therefor should not be following this game or any other game until it releases.

    Seriously people have ISSUES if they just think everything is a scam and a fake.

    Wake up....no preorders, no reason to scam us, we will be able to test the game before we play or simply wait for the reviews.

    No reason to think that this is a big scam.

    FACT:  The video was 100% in game footage of gameplay.

    If you want to deny that, then it is the same as saying i think WAR is going to shut down next month because I dont believe everything the developers have said otherwise.  Yea extreme example but its just a matter of choosing not to trust something to follow your own agenda.

    Thanks to OP and the other trolls for making another thread to get the darkfall name on the front page more and more.

    IF it wasnt for you guys, who knows where this game would be!

     

    I have countered all those arguments above.

    Again no answers, just wriggling out of the questions is what I see here.

    The videos we have seen are scripted. The big groups of characters move as in perfect synch and not like what a group of gamers would do. There is no UI on and the fight scenes are cut so quick from camera angle and person to person, so we have no clue if it even works.

    Just one look at this video reveals there are not humans behind the movement here.

    Compare to what real games like WAR, AoC WoW and others released before launch. WAR for example had many videos where you could follow different classes in different quests and combat, not a camera jumping about, but real ingame footage with UI on.

    Darkfall can not offer that.

    And yet no one here can answer to: HOW can Aventurine create hundreds of cool advanced features like ships, small and large, moving about in the game world, with ship combat, siegeing, a larger and more complex world than anyone else... yet advanced combat mechanics etc etc etc ... with a small development team? Their coders must work 68 hours a day with no sleep or time to eat..

    Blah!

     

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  • OpiumKingOpiumKing Member Posts: 75

    Wake up....no preorders, no reason to scam us, we will be able to test the game before we play or simply wait for the reviews.

    No reason to think that this is a big scam.

    150 thousand dollars of loans, never made a profit, constant auditing problems, auditor notes """illegal loans to shareholder, the general manager""" twice and it was finally declared insolvent by court and declared bankrupt in late 2006.

    It would seem Razorwax never merged with Aventurine and people like Claus Grovdal, Ricki Sikenger, Anastasias "Tasos" Flampouras, Kjetil Helland, Erik Johansen have continued to be involved in, and/or own Razorwax as some form of Online gambling or bingo service company.

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    http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http://www.1881.no/Juridisk_informasjon/Razorwax+AS_981988167/?Query=razorwax&qt=8&hl=en&ie=UTF8&sl=no&tl=en

    Note

    2006

    Presisering: Årsoppgjøret is not made within the legal time limit. (Source: Auditor)

    2005

    Presisering: Illegal loans to shareholder, the general manager, board member or other (Source: Auditor)

    Presisering: Årsoppgjøret is not made within the legal time limit. (Source: Auditor)

    2003

    Presisering: Illegal loans to shareholder, the general manager, board member or other (Source: Auditor)

    Check the announcements tab and you can see multiple auditing problems, changes of address, changes of directors, changes of board members etc.



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    http://mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/4/view/forums/thread/188059/page/10

    http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http://www.nettkatalogen.no/firmainfo/razorwax_as/1963976334.htm&hl=en&ie=UTF8&sl=no&tl=en

    http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http://www.1881.no/Juridisk_informasjon/Razorwax+AS_981988167/?Query=razorwax&qt=8&hl=en&ie=UTF8&sl=no&tl=en

    http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http://www.purehelp.no/vis.asp/company_name/RAZORWAX+AS/ftknr/5B4B464E4F16414345/t_page/1&hl=en&ie=UTF8&sl=no&tl=en

  • imbantimbant Member Posts: 1,291
    Originally posted by OpiumKing


    Wake up....no preorders, no reason to scam us, we will be able to test the game before we play or simply wait for the reviews.
    No reason to think that this is a big scam.


    150 thousand dollars of loans, never made a profit, constant auditing problems, auditor notes """illegal loans to shareholder, the general manager""" twice and it was finally declared insolvent by court and declared bankrupt in late 2006.
    It would seem Razorwax never merged with Aventurine and people like Claus Grovdal, Ricki Sikenger, Anastasias "Tasos" Flampouras, Kjetil Helland, Erik Johansen have continued to be involved in, and/or own Razorwax as some form of Online gambling or bingo service company.

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    http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http://www.1881.no/Juridisk_informasjon/Razorwax+AS_981988167/?Query=razorwax&qt=8&hl=en&ie=UTF8&sl=no&tl=en
    Note
    2006

    Presisering: Årsoppgjøret is not made within the legal time limit. (Source: Auditor)
    2005

    Presisering: Illegal loans to shareholder, the general manager, board member or other (Source: Auditor)
    Presisering: Årsoppgjøret is not made within the legal time limit. (Source: Auditor)
    2003

    Presisering: Illegal loans to shareholder, the general manager, board member or other (Source: Auditor)
    Check the announcements tab and you can see multiple auditing problems, changes of address, changes of directors, changes of board members etc.


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    http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http://www.purehelp.no/vis.asp/company_name/RAZORWAX+AS/ftknr/5B4B464E4F16414345/t_page/1&hl=en&ie=UTF8&sl=no&tl=en



     

    OMG LOL YOU HAVE REACHED A NEW LOW

    LOLOLOLOL

    Seriously give it up...i read your other post trying to convince people of this and just choce to ignore it as it is obvious trolling.  Out of tinfoil?

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    Darkfall Releases on: February 25th, 2009

    Darkfall Recap of everything that has happened the last 3 months: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/213296

    "The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester

    "If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos

  • imbantimbant Member Posts: 1,291

    Originally posted by Draccan


     
    I The videos we have seen are scripted. The big groups of characters move as in perfect synch and not like what a group of gamers would do.



     

    In your opinion it was scripted....to the vast majority if gamers who have common sense it was not.  It was announced by the developers as well that it was 100% pure ingame footage...and im going to take my own eyes + the word of the developer against a forum troll who campaigns against a game (ie not a real gamer).

    The video was controlled by player characters.  It was OBVIOUSLY filmed with specific "possible events" in mind and not scripted.  i.e everyone was instructed to attack a ship and make it look organized like a raid group.  I guess you would have rather seen a fixed camera at one point in the world just filming hoping someone walked by and something happened.

    Give it up Draccan, you have proved yourself wrong, we didnt even need to do it this time

    The game is releasing.  People are going to buy it.  Nothing you can do about it and you are wasting your time here.

    Chances are you will buy it to since i firmly believe you are hired by Aventurine to troll badly and create buzz for the game.

    Thanks budddy!!!!!

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    Darkfall Releases on: February 25th, 2009

    Darkfall Recap of everything that has happened the last 3 months: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/213296

    "The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester

    "If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos

  • OpiumKingOpiumKing Member Posts: 75
    Originally posted by imbant


    OMG LOL YOU HAVE REACHED A NEW LOW
    LOLOLOLOL
    Seriously give it up...



     

    Give what up? posting facts? Take a look under "financial information" tab

    translate.google.com/translate

     

    2005

    Presisering: Clarification: Illegal loans to the shareholder, CEO, board member or other (Source: Auditor)

     

    2003

    Presisering: Clarification:  Illegal loans to the shareholder, CEO, board member or other (Source: Auditor)

     

  • xzyaxxzyax Member Posts: 2,459
    Originally posted by DarthRaiden


    Btw here is the feature list i work with putting all the new info from latest screenshot / videos ...
    forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php
    Many thanks to Staatsschutz



     

    But even that Feature list has quite a few listing that have an AR (Accuracy Rating) of 5 or less.  Meaning on a 1 to 10 scale that there is only a 50/50 chance that some of them may in fact still be in the game. 

     

    That's part of the problem.  It would be nice if either the NDA would drop sufficiently before Jan. 22nd so that we can know a bit more of this, or Tasos or one of the other Devs. go through the list and give us a run-down on what's in and what's out.

     

    With the Release just 6 weeks away, they know by know what is in and what is out.   That's all I ask, just be honest with us before it Releases and we have to find out for ourselves what is missing.   If that isn't done before Release and there are indeed Features missing... how is that better than what AoC did then?   That is what I'm hoping DarkFall does not do. 

  • DraccanDraccan Member Posts: 1,050
    Originally posted by imbant



    Originally posted by Draccan


     
    I The videos we have seen are scripted. The big groups of characters move as in perfect synch and not like what a group of gamers would do.



     

    In your opinion it was scripted....to the vast majority if gamers who have common sense it was not.  It was announced by the developers as well that it was 100% pure ingame footage...and im going to take my own eyes + the word of the developer against a forum troll who campaigns against a game (ie not a real gamer).

    The video was controlled by player characters.  It was OBVIOUSLY filmed with specific "possible events" in mind and not scripted.  i.e everyone was instructed to attack a ship and make it look organized like a raid group.  I guess you would have rather seen a fixed camera at one point in the world just filming hoping someone walked by and something happened.

    Give it up Draccan, you have proved yourself wrong, we didnt even need to do it this time

    The game is releasing.  People are going to buy it.  Nothing you can do about it and you are wasting your time here.

    Chances are you will buy it to since i firmly believe you are hired by Aventurine to troll badly and create buzz for the game.

    Thanks budddy!!!!!

     

    Again you avoid all the questions.

    How can they do all this with such a small team? They have 100 times the features of WAR, AOC and even WoW.

    Why are people in the water moving as if it was one large sprite and not player controlled individual people playing?

    How can they promise to have scaleable servers with 10s of thousands of players when they never tested with that many people?

    Why let the camera cut every time combat ensues?

    Where are the real previews from reputable gaming magazines?

    What about incl. UI in the videos?

    Where is the Underworld?

    THe underwater trackless kingdoms?

    Seamonsters and other monsters?

    The video showing that advanced combat system actually works (from a single player perspective)?

     

    Etc etc..

     

    You just can't explain it. So stop posting if all you do is evading the questions!

     

     

     

     

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