Ah yes, of course. Silly me. Yes, they really should update the page. But about the feature list, if they don't give out preorders and let people first try the game before buying it, what would they gain by hiding things/lying? It really is simple as that IMO.
Why would ANY game that launches January 22nd. not give out preorders before xmas? If it is ready, feature complete and second generation and better than all the rest of the poorly programmed games like WAR, WoW and Lotro and the like?
Why not get a big chunk of the xmas sales??
Maybe because the day the accept preorders and money it will be fradulent and illegal. That is the only boundary they haven't overstepped, ... yet!
Maybe because they haven't spend millions to let the big public know that the game even exists? Maybe they prefer a slower start? One reason could also be that they still can't give exact date for NA launch? Take your pick.
Those are not replies. If the game releases in Europe in January why not take preorders?
Prefer a slower start? Jeeeezess.. how old are you? Have you ever heard of a company that wanted to earn less money?????
How would they gain any more money with preorders?? Not many people are into preordering things, including me, and especially in Darkfall case, the number of people who would preorder is relatively small since it is still a big question if the game actually delivers (you could also add the fact that recent games that offered preorders were huge failures/scams, so people are more wary). If you have huge marketing campaign all over, then the number of people who preorder is bigger --> you make lots of money even if most of those don't continue to subscribe.
Prefer slower start, yes it makes perfect sense. You won't have to initially add huge number of servers, just to merge them after a couple of months, like in AoC/WAR/VG. Aventurine is a small company and while I don't know all that much about running a company, it seems like a smart thing to start things slowly and grow from there.
"How old are you?" LMAO, I'm not the one that can't wait to test the game himself and prefers on the boards few weeks before launch.
Don't expect any one to be able to refute all these things. Where are all the fans now?
Darkfall claims to have dynamic weather, dynamic swarm of enemies, not static. There servers hold tens of thousands and are completely scaleable. Can you imagine how envious Funcom must be?? With their two development teams in both Norway and Asia they couldn't do that with ten times the manpower. But we all know that Norway isn't a great IT country like Greece. In fact they are so great in Aventurine they can promise all those ten of thousands pr. server without even having to test it. WOW
Ah yes, of course. Silly me. Yes, they really should update the page. But about the feature list, if they don't give out preorders and let people first try the game before buying it, what would they gain by hiding things/lying? It really is simple as that IMO.
Why would ANY game that launches January 22nd. not give out preorders before xmas? If it is ready, feature complete and second generation and better than all the rest of the poorly programmed games like WAR, WoW and Lotro and the like?
Why not get a big chunk of the xmas sales??
Maybe because the day the accept preorders and money it will be fradulent and illegal. That is the only boundary they haven't overstepped, ... yet!
Maybe because they haven't spend millions to let the big public know that the game even exists? Maybe they prefer a slower start? One reason could also be that they still can't give exact date for NA launch? Take your pick.
Those are not replies. If the game releases in Europe in January why not take preorders?
Prefer a slower start? Jeeeezess.. how old are you? Have you ever heard of a company that wanted to earn less money?????
How would they gain any more money with preorders?? Not many people are into preordering things, including me, and especially in Darkfall case, the number of people who would preorder is relatively small since it is still a big question if the game actually delivers (you could also add the fact that recent games that offered preorders were huge failures/scams, so people are more wary). If you have huge marketing campaign all over, then the number of people who preorder is bigger --> you make lots of money even if most of those don't continue to subscribe.
Prefer slower start, yes it makes perfect sense. You won't have to initially add huge number of servers, just to merge them after a couple of months, like in AoC/WAR/VG. Aventurine is a small company and while I don't know all that much about running a company, it seems like a smart thing to start things slowly and grow from there.
"How old are you?" LMAO, I'm not the one that can't wait to test the game himself and prefers on the boards few weeks before launch.
Again who is crying? I am laughing my ... off at the moment... soo your point is?
Exactly how gullible are you?
If they truly have had 20 people for almost a decade sitting coding this game with its gazilion of billions of cool features that no one else can deliver, don't you think it would have raked up millions and millions of $ in cost by now?
Whatever money tank they sit on must be endless...
Tasos: Let's not do preorder, no PR, hell let's not even give real deep interviews or show the game in proper videos... yea we have the perfect game BETTER than ALL competition, but we are too good having to do preorders or sell boxes... lets do a slow start!! Why even sell the game in US or ASIA. Lets just launch in Greece..
Money tank: ..................... :-O what ... come again??
Don't expect any one to be able to refute all these things. Where are all the fans now?
Darkfall claims to have dynamic weather, dynamic swarm of enemies, not static. There servers hold tens of thousands and are completely scaleable. Can you imagine how envious Funcom must be?? With their two development teams in both Norway and Asia they couldn't do that with ten times the manpower. But we all know that Norway isn't a great IT country like Greece. In fact they are so great in Aventurine they can promise all those ten of thousands pr. server without even having to test it. WOW
Funcom executives must be weting their pants.
Or maybe a real development company like Funcom (as much as I hate them) sits and laugh at people believe all this.
Funcom KNOWS how hard it is to code such a huge complex entertainment product. Anyone in the industry must know this is not possible..
Couple of things: First, I'd like to say, again, that I'm looking forward to the 22nd, because, one way or another, we'll have an answer then. I'm also looking forward to trying the Free Trial and seeing for myself if Mr. Flambouras's bragging was deserved or not.
Now, to move on, there remain some thoughts that I have and which none of the huge number of threads here could really put at ease:
1) We've been told for a long time that the game is feature complete. We've recently been told the game is more ready for release than any game ever sampled by the big -F- himself. And yet, 7 weeks to launch, there is no drop of the NDA, there is no Open beta announcement, there is no display of -all- the features. There is no, not 1 person who has been allowed to talk about the game -freely- (no, Italians and even The n00b review do not count since they were still under NDA and the information was highly channeled). They want us getting max out of our in game experience so they don't demonstrate us anything beforehand ... ok ..breath again..joke Serious ..while not wait a bit more..Jan 22 is set..so you know you max waiting time...its a matter of days maybe and your awaited announcement is being made ? I don't get it. I can understand a 22 day push-back of release due to distributor concerns, even if, quite honestly, it is a very weird business-decision NOT to launch during the christmas time when everyone is in a spending mood anyway. Most companies go out of their way to release products around christmas. Anyway, that in itself is not a problem. But where is the Free Trial? Where is the Open beta? If the game is so damn ready, why is it still behind a veil of secrecy? I have yet to hear a satisfactory answer to that, other than "they do things differently!".
2) The Website. Yes, this does bug me and some people may say it's not a big deal, but I do think it is a big deal. For a game that is supposedly not going to use much (or any) marketing and won't be covered in mainstream media -and- will likely only be available as Digital Download, the website is something like a showcase. And yet, DF's website has not been updated in...forever. No one has taken a minute of their time to at least bring the feature list up to speed.
There is no mention of the release date. There is zip indication that anything has changed in DF's status. In fact, it could very well be called false advertising. A customer coming new into the whole scene, seeing a link to the DF website and browsing through the feature list, going all wide-eyed and then going to buy the game from there will be disappointed, because a number of features that are promised in the FAQ have been removed from the game. The product DF, as advertised on the website, is not the product that will be released. They have limited man power, Tasos saying in ADW everyone literally doing 30 different jobs. DDL will be offered on 3party website ? And if you're going to tell me that people -need- to read up more info on a game before buying it...sorry, that's just BS. If I go to the company's official homepage, I expect the information to be there...and that doesn't mean hidden away in dozens of Dev journals and in the forums. Could be better..of course..but let the thing release first and then people will get hied to take care of website Anyway...those are two concerns that keep nagging at me. Maybe they have valid reasons for doing things their way. Who knows? It just strikes me as odd. Of course, I will be (again) labeled as a Troll for this, but...*shrugs*. I remember a similar scenario about a year back. There was even a thread: "7 weeks till release, no drop of NDA, no Open Beta in sight...hmm.." The title was something like that.
I think is their compromise of developing the game properly and doing secondary activities related to that by the available manpower /money That was for AoC. At the time, I also put my faith in a company to have valid reasons for this practice and was severely burned. Of course, Aventurine is not FunCom. But the similarities in that aspect are striking, no?
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Sophisticated fleet engagements with dozens of ships on each side, attacks on land from the sea, and combined land-sea operations are all possible in Darkfall (AR 2, SR 8) Source: http://rpgvault.ign.com/articles/736/736911p1.html
The cannon can be destroyed, the ship can be sunk, you can board the ship and kill, or you can just make your way to the captain who steers it and turn the guns away from your ship (AR 5, SR 8) Source: http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=43219
Sooo Funcom and WAR had to cut classes. AoC launched with sieges even in the game. Just look at the above. What does it look like?
I will tell you what it looks like... it looks like something that is being THOUGHT UP. Like I sit down and write a list of everything I can think of to put in the game.
Can anyone just show ONE VIDEO of any of these features being in the game?
Just one?
ONE??
ANYONE?
I didn't think so. Therefore I have to say - a month before release - DARKFALL is a scam!
And mmorpg.com is a proxy for Darkfall / Aventurine / Tasos
The point of PR is to promote your product and create sufficent buzz to sell it. We know that Darkfall exists and that it claims to have amazing features. Now...why do we know that? For one, its got the most buzz on MMORPG.com. Secondly, word of mouth has spread such that there are people who both love to praise this game and others who love to hate on it. Whether its positive or negative feedback, people are talking about this game left and right. If people are talking about this game left and right and there are over 200k forum members...then there seems to be sufficent buzz surrounding it.
Given those statements...what exactly would a "PR campaign" provide Aventurine above and beyond what already exists? As a small company, why would you add cost to your bottom line when you are already getting acceptable results for free? (The word acceptable is used instead of optimal, its a key distinction) As a start-up company, does it make sense to incur hundreds of thousands of dollars in cost in the short run to promote an unproven product in a highly competitive market when word of mouth has brough 200,000 users to your site already?? If I am that business owner, I try to firm up that existing prospect base and then move to grow outward.
Should they update their website? Yes. Do small companies put effort into their websites initially? No. The product is more important than the website initially. The forums are the de facto news source at the moment, and if you take the time to read them, as 200k others do, then you'll gain significant information. With a player base as rabid as Darkfall's, I would feel comfortable that my customers were being provided with enough information through the website that I could apply my energy to the product they so desire.
Many of the features listed below are out: Farming, Prestige Classes, etc.
What does exist is a classless character creation system, the ability to be effective based on skill immediately entering the game as opposed to requiring players to play for months before becoming effective, and an open game world that allows players to enforce their own rules and thus expanding role playing options.
Those features DO exist...and that right there is all the PR I need to give this game a try.
By the way...how much advertising have you ever seen Google do??
Pre-Shipping sales: Unnecessary as a digital download....if indeed it is one. Which as a small company, why would you add cost by using packaging and hardware when you don't need to? Perhaps it will be like Warhawk for PS3. A digital download followed by box sales.
Post-Christmas launch date: How many games are out there right now with a January launch date? You can make the same argument for all of them. It's a non-issue.
Let's look at some more features: Ships and Naval Warfare: (quoted from Staatsschutz - just like many other green quotes in this thread by me) Ship movement is affected by prevailing weather conditions (AR 6, SR 8) Source: http://rpgvault.ign.com/articles/736/736911p1.html Sophisticated fleet engagements with dozens of ships on each side, attacks on land from the sea, and combined land-sea operations are all possible in Darkfall (AR 2, SR 8) Source: http://rpgvault.ign.com/articles/736/736911p1.html There will be Sea Monsters in Darkfall (AR 7, SR 8) Source: http://df.warcry.com/forums/read/270.43023 A cannonball shot off a ship can not only damage but physically disorient an entire party by blowing them away (AR 6, SR 7) Source: http://www.womengamers.com/interviews/darkfall.php We were on a smaller eight-gun ship, but they said the largest is huge with 50-guns (AR 6, SR 8) Source: http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=43219 You can shoot from each cannon (AR 8, SR 8) Source: http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=43219 The cannon can be destroyed, the ship can be sunk, you can board the ship and kill, or you can just make your way to the captain who steers it and turn the guns away from your ship (AR 5, SR 8) Source: http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=43219 You can bombard buildings or even people on the shore from the ship (AR 7, SR 8) Source: http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=43219 Sooo Funcom and WAR had to cut classes. AoC launched with sieges even in the game. Just look at the above. What does it look like? I will tell you what it looks like... it looks like something that is being THOUGHT UP. Like I sit down and write a list of everything I can think of to put in the game. Can anyone just show ONE VIDEO of any of these features being in the game? Just one? ONE?? ANYONE?
I didn't think so. Therefore I have to say - a month before release - DARKFALL is a scam! And mmorpg.com is a proxy for Darkfall / Aventurine / Tasos
this game has so many cool features and I would really love them to be in-game and working as intended. But why they are just releasing screenshots from beta? Go figure. You can be the smallest company in the world and be able to post more information about your product. Ships and Naval Warfare sounds hot.
Let's look at some more features: Ships and Naval Warfare: (quoted from Staatsschutz - just like many other green quotes in this thread by me) Ship movement is affected by prevailing weather conditions (AR 6, SR 8) Source: http://rpgvault.ign.com/articles/736/736911p1.html Sophisticated fleet engagements with dozens of ships on each side, attacks on land from the sea, and combined land-sea operations are all possible in Darkfall (AR 2, SR 8) Source: http://rpgvault.ign.com/articles/736/736911p1.html There will be Sea Monsters in Darkfall (AR 7, SR 8) Source: http://df.warcry.com/forums/read/270.43023 A cannonball shot off a ship can not only damage but physically disorient an entire party by blowing them away (AR 6, SR 7) Source: http://www.womengamers.com/interviews/darkfall.php We were on a smaller eight-gun ship, but they said the largest is huge with 50-guns (AR 6, SR 8) Source: http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=43219 You can shoot from each cannon (AR 8, SR 8) Source: http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=43219 The cannon can be destroyed, the ship can be sunk, you can board the ship and kill, or you can just make your way to the captain who steers it and turn the guns away from your ship (AR 5, SR 8) Source: http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=43219 You can bombard buildings or even people on the shore from the ship (AR 7, SR 8) Source: http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=43219 Sooo Funcom and WAR had to cut classes. AoC launched with sieges even in the game. Just look at the above. What does it look like? I will tell you what it looks like... it looks like something that is being THOUGHT UP. Like I sit down and write a list of everything I can think of to put in the game. Can anyone just show ONE VIDEO of any of these features being in the game? Just one? ONE?? ANYONE?
I didn't think so. Therefore I have to say - a month before release - DARKFALL is a scam! And mmorpg.com is a proxy for Darkfall / Aventurine / Tasos
You asked if anyone can show a video showing any of the features you listed?
Lets talk about PR. The point of PR is to promote your product and create sufficent buzz to sell it. We know that Darkfall exists and that it claims to have amazing features. Now...why do we know that? For one, its got the most buzz on MMORPG.com. Secondly, word of mouth has spread such that there are people who both love to praise this game and others who love to hate on it. Whether its positive or negative feedback, people are talking about this game left and right. If people are talking about this game left and right and there are over 200k forum members...then there seems to be sufficent buzz surrounding it. Given those statements...what exactly would a "PR campaign" provide Aventurine above and beyond what already exists? As a small company, why would you add cost to your bottom line when you are already getting acceptable results for free? (The word acceptable is used instead of optimal, its a key distinction) As a start-up company, does it make sense to incur hundreds of thousands of dollars in cost in the short run to promote an unproven product in a highly competitive market when word of mouth has brough 200,000 users to your site already?? If I am that business owner, I try to firm up that existing prospect base and then move to grow outward. Should they update their website? Yes. Do small companies put effort into their websites initially? No. The product is more important than the website initially. The forums are the de facto news source at the moment, and if you take the time to read them, as 200k others do, then you'll gain significant information. With a player base as rabid as Darkfall's, I would feel comfortable that my customers were being provided with enough information through the website that I could apply my energy to the product they so desire. Many of the features listed below are out: Farming, Prestige Classes, etc. What does exist is a classless character creation system, the ability to be effective based on skill immediately entering the game as opposed to requiring players to play for months before becoming effective, and an open game world that allows players to enforce their own rules and thus expanding role playing options. Those features DO exist...and that right there is all the PR I need to give this game a try. By the way...how much advertising have you ever seen Google do??
You mistake anger from buzz.
Just because the game is talked about doesn't mean it will sell a lot.
Where is the official list of what IS in the game then if not on their own website??
Have you stopped and thought about it?
You created this account to go in and give your thoughts. Hmm.. I guess you are double posting under someone else then? Likely maybe?
You can't compare to google. Not at all.
Besides if you read what I wrote I gave specific instances of free advertisement they haven't taken.
They don't spread a positve message about the game.
For Draccan's sake they better not release the game. He'll look pretty silly trying to egg people on.
I don't know much about this game. But I could give you some reason they don't put out pre-orders. I thought I read somewhere on here initially they're going to have one server that houses 10,000 people. If that's the case it's a perfect reason not to offer pre-orders. I see quite a few people have high hopes for the game. If it pans out they'll kill that initial rush.
They don't have a realease date for the US. Maybe they are using their limited resources to get one server up and running and packed. This would look more appealing to a backer to see a small company do something like this. Someone picks it up, helps with the servers and then maybe they announce a US date.
I also don't think it's so much other dev's can't do this stuff. They choose not to. They keep thing simple so they can attract mass crowd's. They don't make it for the gamers, they make it for the money that comes with catering to the casual crowd. Actually, I think if anyone could do it, it would be a smaller group of people. Less people to fight over how things gets done. No big name backers breathing down your neck telling you put it out now.
Let's look at some more features: Ships and Naval Warfare: (quoted from Staatsschutz - just like many other green quotes in this thread by me) Ship movement is affected by prevailing weather conditions (AR 6, SR 8) Source: http://rpgvault.ign.com/articles/736/736911p1.html Sophisticated fleet engagements with dozens of ships on each side, attacks on land from the sea, and combined land-sea operations are all possible in Darkfall (AR 2, SR 8) Source: http://rpgvault.ign.com/articles/736/736911p1.html There will be Sea Monsters in Darkfall (AR 7, SR 8) Source: http://df.warcry.com/forums/read/270.43023 A cannonball shot off a ship can not only damage but physically disorient an entire party by blowing them away (AR 6, SR 7) Source: http://www.womengamers.com/interviews/darkfall.php We were on a smaller eight-gun ship, but they said the largest is huge with 50-guns (AR 6, SR 8) Source: http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=43219 You can shoot from each cannon (AR 8, SR 8) Source: http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=43219 The cannon can be destroyed, the ship can be sunk, you can board the ship and kill, or you can just make your way to the captain who steers it and turn the guns away from your ship (AR 5, SR 8) Source: http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=43219 You can bombard buildings or even people on the shore from the ship (AR 7, SR 8) Source: http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=43219 Sooo Funcom and WAR had to cut classes. AoC launched with sieges even in the game. Just look at the above. What does it look like? I will tell you what it looks like... it looks like something that is being THOUGHT UP. Like I sit down and write a list of everything I can think of to put in the game. Can anyone just show ONE VIDEO of any of these features being in the game? Just one? ONE?? ANYONE?
I didn't think so. Therefore I have to say - a month before release - DARKFALL is a scam! And mmorpg.com is a proxy for Darkfall / Aventurine / Tasos
LOL i think that will hit you now ..watch before you fall down
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Let's look at some more features: Ships and Naval Warfare: (quoted from Staatsschutz - just like many other green quotes in this thread by me) Ship movement is affected by prevailing weather conditions (AR 6, SR 8) Source: http://rpgvault.ign.com/articles/736/736911p1.html Sophisticated fleet engagements with dozens of ships on each side, attacks on land from the sea, and combined land-sea operations are all possible in Darkfall (AR 2, SR 8) Source: http://rpgvault.ign.com/articles/736/736911p1.html There will be Sea Monsters in Darkfall (AR 7, SR 8) Source: http://df.warcry.com/forums/read/270.43023 A cannonball shot off a ship can not only damage but physically disorient an entire party by blowing them away (AR 6, SR 7) Source: http://www.womengamers.com/interviews/darkfall.php We were on a smaller eight-gun ship, but they said the largest is huge with 50-guns (AR 6, SR 8) Source: http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=43219 You can shoot from each cannon (AR 8, SR 8) Source: http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=43219 The cannon can be destroyed, the ship can be sunk, you can board the ship and kill, or you can just make your way to the captain who steers it and turn the guns away from your ship (AR 5, SR 8) Source: http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=43219 You can bombard buildings or even people on the shore from the ship (AR 7, SR 8) Source: http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=43219 Sooo Funcom and WAR had to cut classes. AoC launched with sieges even in the game. Just look at the above. What does it look like? I will tell you what it looks like... it looks like something that is being THOUGHT UP. Like I sit down and write a list of everything I can think of to put in the game. Can anyone just show ONE VIDEO of any of these features being in the game? Just one? ONE?? ANYONE?
I didn't think so. Therefore I have to say - a month before release - DARKFALL is a scam! And mmorpg.com is a proxy for Darkfall / Aventurine / Tasos
LOL i think that will hit you now ..watch before you fall down
Yeah it's funny that most of what he claims is a scam is in that Vid lol. Pretty fitting if you ask me lol.I hope he watches all 6 parts though to see how truely foolish he looks to everyone after his rant.
Let's look at some more features: Ships and Naval Warfare: .....
this game has so many cool features and I would really love them to be in-game and working as intended. But why they are just releasing screenshots from beta? Go figure. You can be the smallest company in the world and be able to post more information about your product. Ships and Naval Warfare sounds hot.
Exactly. Maybe because they are not in the game?
It is pretty obvious.
Just like you said: they could post tons of videos displaying that they have ALL THESE COOL FEATURES and they would have free PR and turn the fanbase from distrust and hate to respect and followers...
But oh no... Tasos don't need players or hype or free PR. His game is too good.
Yeah it's funny that most of what he claims is a scam is in that Vid lol. Pretty fitting if you ask me lol.I hope he watches all 6 parts though to see how truely foolish he looks to everyone after his rant.
I have seen this scripted piece of **** many times. There is no shred of evidence in there...
Let real people play all these features... video them... real gameplay.. no bs.
Actually, I doubt they can deliver everything they promised, but doesn't change the fact I 'hope" they can come close to pulling it off, because if they do, it will be a truly amazing game.
They announced a date.... we'll see what happens....
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Yeah it's funny that most of what he claims is a scam is in that Vid lol. Pretty fitting if you ask me lol.I hope he watches all 6 parts though to see how truely foolish he looks to everyone after his rant.
I have seen this scripted piece of **** many times. There is no shred of evidence in there...
Let real people play all these features... video them... real gameplay.. no bs.
They can't and they haven't!
There's the Italian video, of a girl running around in a thong.
Couple of things: First, I'd like to say, again, that I'm looking forward to the 22nd, because, one way or another, we'll have an answer then. I'm also looking forward to trying the Free Trial and seeing for myself if Mr. Flambouras's bragging was deserved or not.
Now, to move on, there remain some thoughts that I have and which none of the huge number of threads here could really put at ease:
1) We've been told for a long time that the game is feature complete. We've recently been told the game is more ready for release than any game ever sampled by the big -F- himself. And yet, 7 weeks to launch, there is no drop of the NDA, there is no Open beta announcement, there is no display of -all- the features. There is no, not 1 person who has been allowed to talk about the game -freely- (no, Italians and even The n00b review do not count since they were still under NDA and the information was highly channeled). They want us getting max out of our in game experience so they don't demonstrate us anything beforehand ... ok ..breath again..joke Serious ..while not wait a bit more..Jan 22 is set..so you know you max waiting time...its a matter of days maybe and your awaited announcement is being made ? It's not about me being impatient. It's about me wondering -why-. There is no reason I can see why they would keep the game under such tight wraps at this point, not if everything tasos says is true and you have the option to gain -FREE- coverage.
But yes, as you said, it's only till 22nd and as I said, then we will know for sure. As I said, this is just something that strikes me as odd. I don't get it. I can understand a 22 day push-back of release due to distributor concerns, even if, quite honestly, it is a very weird business-decision NOT to launch during the christmas time when everyone is in a spending mood anyway. Most companies go out of their way to release products around christmas. Anyway, that in itself is not a problem. But where is the Free Trial? Where is the Open beta? If the game is so damn ready, why is it still behind a veil of secrecy? I have yet to hear a satisfactory answer to that, other than "they do things differently!".
2) The Website. Yes, this does bug me and some people may say it's not a big deal, but I do think it is a big deal. For a game that is supposedly not going to use much (or any) marketing and won't be covered in mainstream media -and- will likely only be available as Digital Download, the website is something like a showcase. And yet, DF's website has not been updated in...forever. No one has taken a minute of their time to at least bring the feature list up to speed.
There is no mention of the release date. There is zip indication that anything has changed in DF's status. In fact, it could very well be called false advertising. A customer coming new into the whole scene, seeing a link to the DF website and browsing through the feature list, going all wide-eyed and then going to buy the game from there will be disappointed, because a number of features that are promised in the FAQ have been removed from the game. The product DF, as advertised on the website, is not the product that will be released. They have limited man power, Tasos saying in ADW everyone literally doing 30 different jobs. DDL will be offered on 3party website ? That does not change that the information on their website is outdated and blatantly false by this point. And seriously, if they wanted to update the website, it's a small job. It's not like it would take 10 men a week to update the feature-list and put a launch-date on there. And if you're going to tell me that people -need- to read up more info on a game before buying it...sorry, that's just BS. If I go to the company's official homepage, I expect the information to be there...and that doesn't mean hidden away in dozens of Dev journals and in the forums. Could be better..of course..but let the thing release first and then people will get hied to take care of website Then I am hoping there will be indeed a Free Trial before you have to buy it. Because if customers come in there and realize they bought a falsely advertised product....well we all know how things turn out when you announce cut content "after" the release of a product. Anyway...those are two concerns that keep nagging at me. Maybe they have valid reasons for doing things their way. Who knows? It just strikes me as odd. Of course, I will be (again) labeled as a Troll for this, but...*shrugs*. I remember a similar scenario about a year back. There was even a thread: "7 weeks till release, no drop of NDA, no Open Beta in sight...hmm.." The title was something like that.
I think is their compromise of developing the game properly and doing secondary activities related to that by the available manpower /money That's what we always hear. But most of the things I find odd could be changed without much investment, with no costs and little actual work. Such as the website and the dropping of the NDA. *shrug* Maybe they have a reason. But I haven#t seen one yet and no, "we're doing things differently" does not really cut it. Not until I am playing the Free Trial of the, indeed, feature-complete game. That was for AoC. At the time, I also put my faith in a company to have valid reasons for this practice and was severely burned. Of course, Aventurine is not FunCom. But the similarities in that aspect are striking, no?
It'll all be shown by the 22nd. One way or another. I'm not worried. I'm just puzzled.
Yeah it's funny that most of what he claims is a scam is in that Vid lol. Pretty fitting if you ask me lol.I hope he watches all 6 parts though to see how truely foolish he looks to everyone after his rant.
I have seen this scripted piece of **** many times. There is no shred of evidence in there...
Let real people play all these features... video them... real gameplay.. no bs.
They can't and they haven't!
Bottom line is you got exactly what you asked for. So you are saying now that you were just trolling then?
this thread needs a sticky in my opinion, I looked at the DF website but couldn't find as much specific information as this. I found thier FAQ to be extremely vague, I have heard followers of DF to make these claims but don't remember anything defianate from Aventurine. This should be stickied for post Jan 22nd, I'd love to see if what the fans have been saying is true. If so I'll buy it in a heartbeat, but in all honesty I don't see how it could be possible for 30 semi-pro code crunchers in Greece to do it without a proper beta even!
proper Beta as compared to WHAT? differnt TYPE of games require DIFFERENT TYPES of BETA learn to ADAPT differenmt strategies Based on wat ur Offering not wat everyone else does the same and FAILS the same way
So far, no one has put forth a plausible reason for not taking pre-orders before Xmas, when your release is Jan 22, 2009. Perhaps their Publisher is just not up to the task.
Im sorry but the community is sick and tired of being taken for fools with preorders.
If they wanted to preorder, trust me they could, its not that difficult.
They want the product to speak for itself, hence no preorders. Plus it is probably direct download like EVE.
These threads crack me up, especially since OP has claimed that this game is fake and a hoax, as in there is no AVenturine and it is just one guy with some motive to keep this up for the years. So how anyone could take it seriously is beyond me.
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
Draacan you make a very good point. This game elicits anger from you. Why? Clearly this game has captured your emotions. It doesn't exist yet, and you are emotional about it. Creating an emotional response is what PR is supposed to do isn't it??
For those in the US in the NY, PA, NJ area, think about the PR campaign of jewler, Steven Singer. His website is IHateStevenSinger.com. Just because you don't like him, doesn't mean you don't like his products. And the fact that you know him, it makes it more likely that you're going to look at the products he has.
Look at the Blackberry Storm. They didn't show you anything about that in their PR campaign and it created significant buzz because you WANTED to know just what the hell it is.
Draacan, you are proving my point more and more that Aventurine, at least on the PR side, has done exactly what they need to do with this game.
Yeah it's funny that most of what he claims is a scam is in that Vid lol. Pretty fitting if you ask me lol.I hope he watches all 6 parts though to see how truely foolish he looks to everyone after his rant.
I have seen this scripted piece of **** many times. There is no shred of evidence in there...
Let real people play all these features... video them... real gameplay.. no bs.
They can't and they haven't!
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if it wasnt painfully clear from his post history....draccn is not here for discussion. He refuses to believe anything and any proof is just faked of cgi etc....
I dont know why he continues to post because nothing is going to satisfy him until release or ob. oh well, good for a laugh, especially since this thread got as many replies as it did.
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"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
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Why would ANY game that launches January 22nd. not give out preorders before xmas? If it is ready, feature complete and second generation and better than all the rest of the poorly programmed games like WAR, WoW and Lotro and the like?
Why not get a big chunk of the xmas sales??
Maybe because the day the accept preorders and money it will be fradulent and illegal. That is the only boundary they haven't overstepped, ... yet!
Maybe because they haven't spend millions to let the big public know that the game even exists? Maybe they prefer a slower start? One reason could also be that they still can't give exact date for NA launch? Take your pick.
Those are not replies. If the game releases in Europe in January why not take preorders?
Prefer a slower start? Jeeeezess.. how old are you? Have you ever heard of a company that wanted to earn less money?????
How would they gain any more money with preorders?? Not many people are into preordering things, including me, and especially in Darkfall case, the number of people who would preorder is relatively small since it is still a big question if the game actually delivers (you could also add the fact that recent games that offered preorders were huge failures/scams, so people are more wary). If you have huge marketing campaign all over, then the number of people who preorder is bigger --> you make lots of money even if most of those don't continue to subscribe.
Prefer slower start, yes it makes perfect sense. You won't have to initially add huge number of servers, just to merge them after a couple of months, like in AoC/WAR/VG. Aventurine is a small company and while I don't know all that much about running a company, it seems like a smart thing to start things slowly and grow from there.
"How old are you?" LMAO, I'm not the one that can't wait to test the game himself and prefers
on the boards few weeks before launch.
Funcom executives must be weting their pants.
Why would ANY game that launches January 22nd. not give out preorders before xmas? If it is ready, feature complete and second generation and better than all the rest of the poorly programmed games like WAR, WoW and Lotro and the like?
Why not get a big chunk of the xmas sales??
Maybe because the day the accept preorders and money it will be fradulent and illegal. That is the only boundary they haven't overstepped, ... yet!
Maybe because they haven't spend millions to let the big public know that the game even exists? Maybe they prefer a slower start? One reason could also be that they still can't give exact date for NA launch? Take your pick.
Those are not replies. If the game releases in Europe in January why not take preorders?
Prefer a slower start? Jeeeezess.. how old are you? Have you ever heard of a company that wanted to earn less money?????
How would they gain any more money with preorders?? Not many people are into preordering things, including me, and especially in Darkfall case, the number of people who would preorder is relatively small since it is still a big question if the game actually delivers (you could also add the fact that recent games that offered preorders were huge failures/scams, so people are more wary). If you have huge marketing campaign all over, then the number of people who preorder is bigger --> you make lots of money even if most of those don't continue to subscribe.
Prefer slower start, yes it makes perfect sense. You won't have to initially add huge number of servers, just to merge them after a couple of months, like in AoC/WAR/VG. Aventurine is a small company and while I don't know all that much about running a company, it seems like a smart thing to start things slowly and grow from there.
"How old are you?" LMAO, I'm not the one that can't wait to test the game himself and prefers
on the boards few weeks before launch.
Again who is crying? I am laughing my ... off at the moment... soo your point is?
Exactly how gullible are you?
If they truly have had 20 people for almost a decade sitting coding this game with its gazilion of billions of cool features that no one else can deliver, don't you think it would have raked up millions and millions of $ in cost by now?
Whatever money tank they sit on must be endless...
Tasos: Let's not do preorder, no PR, hell let's not even give real deep interviews or show the game in proper videos... yea we have the perfect game BETTER than ALL competition, but we are too good having to do preorders or sell boxes... lets do a slow start!! Why even sell the game in US or ASIA. Lets just launch in Greece..
Money tank: ..................... :-O what ... come again??
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Funcom executives must be weting their pants.
Or maybe a real development company like Funcom (as much as I hate them) sits and laugh at people believe all this.
Funcom KNOWS how hard it is to code such a huge complex entertainment product. Anyone in the industry must know this is not possible..
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Let's look at some more features:
Ships and Naval Warfare:
(quoted from Staatsschutz - just like many other green quotes in this thread by me)
Ship movement is affected by prevailing weather conditions (AR 6, SR 8) Source: http://rpgvault.ign.com/articles/736/736911p1.html
Sophisticated fleet engagements with dozens of ships on each side, attacks on land from the sea, and combined land-sea operations are all possible in Darkfall (AR 2, SR 8) Source: http://rpgvault.ign.com/articles/736/736911p1.html
There will be Sea Monsters in Darkfall (AR 7, SR 8) Source: http://df.warcry.com/forums/read/270.43023
A cannonball shot off a ship can not only damage but physically disorient an entire party by blowing them away (AR 6, SR 7) Source: http://www.womengamers.com/interviews/darkfall.php
We were on a smaller eight-gun ship, but they said the largest is huge with 50-guns (AR 6, SR 8) Source: http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=43219
You can shoot from each cannon (AR 8, SR 8) Source: http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=43219
The cannon can be destroyed, the ship can be sunk, you can board the ship and kill, or you can just make your way to the captain who steers it and turn the guns away from your ship (AR 5, SR 8) Source: http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=43219
You can bombard buildings or even people on the shore from the ship (AR 7, SR 8) Source: http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=43219
Sooo Funcom and WAR had to cut classes. AoC launched with sieges even in the game. Just look at the above. What does it look like?
I will tell you what it looks like... it looks like something that is being THOUGHT UP. Like I sit down and write a list of everything I can think of to put in the game.
Can anyone just show ONE VIDEO of any of these features being in the game?
Just one?
ONE??
ANYONE?
I didn't think so. Therefore I have to say - a month before release - DARKFALL is a scam!
And mmorpg.com is a proxy for Darkfall / Aventurine / Tasos
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Lets talk about PR.
The point of PR is to promote your product and create sufficent buzz to sell it. We know that Darkfall exists and that it claims to have amazing features. Now...why do we know that? For one, its got the most buzz on MMORPG.com. Secondly, word of mouth has spread such that there are people who both love to praise this game and others who love to hate on it. Whether its positive or negative feedback, people are talking about this game left and right. If people are talking about this game left and right and there are over 200k forum members...then there seems to be sufficent buzz surrounding it.
Given those statements...what exactly would a "PR campaign" provide Aventurine above and beyond what already exists? As a small company, why would you add cost to your bottom line when you are already getting acceptable results for free? (The word acceptable is used instead of optimal, its a key distinction) As a start-up company, does it make sense to incur hundreds of thousands of dollars in cost in the short run to promote an unproven product in a highly competitive market when word of mouth has brough 200,000 users to your site already?? If I am that business owner, I try to firm up that existing prospect base and then move to grow outward.
Should they update their website? Yes. Do small companies put effort into their websites initially? No. The product is more important than the website initially. The forums are the de facto news source at the moment, and if you take the time to read them, as 200k others do, then you'll gain significant information. With a player base as rabid as Darkfall's, I would feel comfortable that my customers were being provided with enough information through the website that I could apply my energy to the product they so desire.
Many of the features listed below are out: Farming, Prestige Classes, etc.
What does exist is a classless character creation system, the ability to be effective based on skill immediately entering the game as opposed to requiring players to play for months before becoming effective, and an open game world that allows players to enforce their own rules and thus expanding role playing options.
Those features DO exist...and that right there is all the PR I need to give this game a try.
By the way...how much advertising have you ever seen Google do??
Pre-Shipping sales: Unnecessary as a digital download....if indeed it is one. Which as a small company, why would you add cost by using packaging and hardware when you don't need to? Perhaps it will be like Warhawk for PS3. A digital download followed by box sales.
Post-Christmas launch date: How many games are out there right now with a January launch date? You can make the same argument for all of them. It's a non-issue.
this game has so many cool features and I would really love them to be in-game and working as intended. But why they are just releasing screenshots from beta? Go figure. You can be the smallest company in the world and be able to post more information about your product. Ships and Naval Warfare sounds hot.
You asked if anyone can show a video showing any of the features you listed?
http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=64217
Oh I am guessing you mean something other than the 17 minutes of in game footage they used for the Trailer.
You mistake anger from buzz.
Just because the game is talked about doesn't mean it will sell a lot.
Where is the official list of what IS in the game then if not on their own website??
Have you stopped and thought about it?
You created this account to go in and give your thoughts. Hmm.. I guess you are double posting under someone else then? Likely maybe?
You can't compare to google. Not at all.
Besides if you read what I wrote I gave specific instances of free advertisement they haven't taken.
They don't spread a positve message about the game.
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For Draccan's sake they better not release the game. He'll look pretty silly trying to egg people on.
I don't know much about this game. But I could give you some reason they don't put out pre-orders. I thought I read somewhere on here initially they're going to have one server that houses 10,000 people. If that's the case it's a perfect reason not to offer pre-orders. I see quite a few people have high hopes for the game. If it pans out they'll kill that initial rush.
They don't have a realease date for the US. Maybe they are using their limited resources to get one server up and running and packed. This would look more appealing to a backer to see a small company do something like this. Someone picks it up, helps with the servers and then maybe they announce a US date.
I also don't think it's so much other dev's can't do this stuff. They choose not to. They keep thing simple so they can attract mass crowd's. They don't make it for the gamers, they make it for the money that comes with catering to the casual crowd. Actually, I think if anyone could do it, it would be a smaller group of people. Less people to fight over how things gets done. No big name backers breathing down your neck telling you put it out now.
LOL i think that will hit you now ..watch before you fall down
www.youtube.com/watch
All in yellow have being demonstrated by this
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-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
LOL i think that will hit you now ..watch before you fall down
www.youtube.com/watch
Yeah it's funny that most of what he claims is a scam is in that Vid lol. Pretty fitting if you ask me lol.I hope he watches all 6 parts though to see how truely foolish he looks to everyone after his rant.
this game has so many cool features and I would really love them to be in-game and working as intended. But why they are just releasing screenshots from beta? Go figure. You can be the smallest company in the world and be able to post more information about your product. Ships and Naval Warfare sounds hot.
Exactly. Maybe because they are not in the game?
It is pretty obvious.
Just like you said: they could post tons of videos displaying that they have ALL THESE COOL FEATURES and they would have free PR and turn the fanbase from distrust and hate to respect and followers...
But oh no... Tasos don't need players or hype or free PR. His game is too good.
Right on! Sure!
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LOL i think that will hit you now ..watch before you fall down
www.youtube.com/watch
Yeah it's funny that most of what he claims is a scam is in that Vid lol. Pretty fitting if you ask me lol.I hope he watches all 6 parts though to see how truely foolish he looks to everyone after his rant.
I have seen this scripted piece of **** many times. There is no shred of evidence in there...
Let real people play all these features... video them... real gameplay.. no bs.
They can't and they haven't!
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Wow from what i read on some posts the Game is coming out Jan.22nd? What ever happen to the release in 2008?
Lets take bets..Here the First Lie..
1) The game will come out in 2008. Now it will be out in 2009..
2) What will be the Next excuse?
Maybe MMORPG should give a contest on the release Date of DF. Then have another Contest if the game will be a Epic Failure or not.If it dose come out.
Some people rob you at gun point..Others will rob you at "Ball Point Pen"
Actually, I doubt they can deliver everything they promised, but doesn't change the fact I 'hope" they can come close to pulling it off, because if they do, it will be a truly amazing game.
They announced a date.... we'll see what happens....
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LOL i think that will hit you now ..watch before you fall down
www.youtube.com/watch
Yeah it's funny that most of what he claims is a scam is in that Vid lol. Pretty fitting if you ask me lol.I hope he watches all 6 parts though to see how truely foolish he looks to everyone after his rant.
I have seen this scripted piece of **** many times. There is no shred of evidence in there...
Let real people play all these features... video them... real gameplay.. no bs.
They can't and they haven't!
There's the Italian video, of a girl running around in a thong.
It'll all be shown by the 22nd. One way or another. I'm not worried. I'm just puzzled.
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
LOL i think that will hit you now ..watch before you fall down
www.youtube.com/watch
Yeah it's funny that most of what he claims is a scam is in that Vid lol. Pretty fitting if you ask me lol.I hope he watches all 6 parts though to see how truely foolish he looks to everyone after his rant.
I have seen this scripted piece of **** many times. There is no shred of evidence in there...
Let real people play all these features... video them... real gameplay.. no bs.
They can't and they haven't!
Bottom line is you got exactly what you asked for. So you are saying now that you were just trolling then?
proper Beta as compared to WHAT? differnt TYPE of games require DIFFERENT TYPES of BETA learn to ADAPT differenmt strategies Based on wat ur Offering not wat everyone else does the same and FAILS the same way
Im sorry but the community is sick and tired of being taken for fools with preorders.
If they wanted to preorder, trust me they could, its not that difficult.
They want the product to speak for itself, hence no preorders. Plus it is probably direct download like EVE.
These threads crack me up, especially since OP has claimed that this game is fake and a hoax, as in there is no AVenturine and it is just one guy with some motive to keep this up for the years. So how anyone could take it seriously is beyond me.
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Darkfall Recap of everything that has happened the last 3 months: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/213296
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
Draacan you make a very good point. This game elicits anger from you. Why? Clearly this game has captured your emotions. It doesn't exist yet, and you are emotional about it. Creating an emotional response is what PR is supposed to do isn't it??
For those in the US in the NY, PA, NJ area, think about the PR campaign of jewler, Steven Singer. His website is IHateStevenSinger.com. Just because you don't like him, doesn't mean you don't like his products. And the fact that you know him, it makes it more likely that you're going to look at the products he has.
Look at the Blackberry Storm. They didn't show you anything about that in their PR campaign and it created significant buzz because you WANTED to know just what the hell it is.
Draacan, you are proving my point more and more that Aventurine, at least on the PR side, has done exactly what they need to do with this game.
LOL i think that will hit you now ..watch before you fall down
www.youtube.com/watch
Yeah it's funny that most of what he claims is a scam is in that Vid lol. Pretty fitting if you ask me lol.I hope he watches all 6 parts though to see how truely foolish he looks to everyone after his rant.
I have seen this scripted piece of **** many times. There is no shred of evidence in there...
Let real people play all these features... video them... real gameplay.. no bs.
They can't and they haven't!
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if it wasnt painfully clear from his post history....draccn is not here for discussion. He refuses to believe anything and any proof is just faked of cgi etc....
I dont know why he continues to post because nothing is going to satisfy him until release or ob. oh well, good for a laugh, especially since this thread got as many replies as it did.
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Darkfall Recap of everything that has happened the last 3 months: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/213296
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos