Hmm.. they aren't the only ones having nightmares...this from Massively.com September 17th interview:
Warhammer Online Creative Director Paul Barnett said in an interview that he's (literally) betting that WAR will achieve one million subscribers within a year and three million at its peak. Apparently there's an office betting pool at Mythic about this subject. If Barnett's right, he stands to win ... wait for it ... $26. Wow. Enjoy your large pizza, man!
And this from Bigdownload.com:
Edge Online stated that Arvind Bhatia at Stern Agee has predicted that the game will settle with between 250,000 and 300,000 subscribers after the first six months or so. He also states after in checking with retailers, sales of the game have met, but not exceeded, expectations.
I guess no pizza party for MJ and the Warhammer fanbois. Especially when 2009 rolls around and Aion and Darkfall release.
to anyone here who doesnt think Blizz is a little concerned over losign a couple hundred thousand of their US subs to WAR is just kidding themselves. Trust me, the US is Blizz home turf and like it or not, whether you admit it or not, WAR has taken some of wows US subs...and has/is keeping them. wow fanbois nightmare thread... www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/showthread.php
WAR is the joke of the MMOs right now. Dont try to kid yourself. They lost active players the quickest after a release of all MMOs in history. You cant deny the evidence.
to anyone here who doesnt think Blizz is a little concerned over losign a couple hundred thousand of their US subs to WAR is just kidding themselves. Trust me, the US is Blizz home turf and like it or not, whether you admit it or not, WAR has taken some of wows US subs...and has/is keeping them. wow fanbois nightmare thread... www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/showthread.php
Rofl, a nightmare thread on the Warhammer Alliance forums? You mean.... *gasp* those people that actually had already quit WoW before WAR or didn't like WoW enough anymore to try out WAR ... *gasp* they don't like the expansion?! Ow noes!
Honestly, is that it? Did you forget to mention that tops 1 million people (rofl, yeah right but humor me) are playing WAR? So let's just take the 5 million US/EU playerbase. That's still only 20% of the players tops.
Omg mass exodus!
Also noone would argue any new game took some subs from WoW and keeps them. The question is how many. We've seen 0 sub numbers from WAR beyond the 800k accounts created which they still used in their "We're going to Korea" announcement. That's it. Given the EU tanked, and the US has stabilized now, and given a ratio at least lower than 100% retention I'd personally doubt WAR is any higher than 300-400k people right now.
Nowhere near a bad number for a MMO, but to say it's got Blizzard worried. Not nearly as much anymore now as before the game released no doubt.
World of Warcraft was recently launched in Russia and Latin America, and is currently available in eight languages. In addition to North America and Europe, the game is played in mainland China, Korea, Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, Thailand, Malaysia, Chile, Argentina, and the regions of Taiwan, Hong Kong, and Macau.
During this time WoW release in new countrys around the world, BC hit Russia and WoW hit South America, so the gain might, just might be to the HUGE marketing campaign in those countrys, yes they got the whole Famous people being WoW chars you can see them on Utube.
Post the Break down of populations playing by Country, North America is not really moving.
2.8M copies of Wrath of the Lich King sold in THE FIRST DAY in NA and EU. Wrath continues to be the #1 or #2 game EVERY WEEK since it was launched IN NA and EU. That is NA and EU.. the same market as Warhammer. Forget about the 12M number if you want... focus on the fact that in NA and EU, WOW VANILLA is outselling Warhammer.
And again, in the past month, Warhammer has essentially closed down 60% of their servers while WOW has added 27 servers IN NORTH AMERICA AND EUROPE. Everyone discounts the 12M number because of Asia, but you fail to mention that WOW is blowing away the competition even in NA and EU.
Hmm.. they aren't the only ones having nightmares...this from Massively.com September 17th interview:
Warhammer Online Creative Director Paul Barnett said in an interview that he's (literally) betting that WAR will achieve one million subscribers within a year and three million at its peak. Apparently there's an office betting pool at Mythic about this subject. If Barnett's right, he stands to win ... wait for it ... $26. Wow. Enjoy your large pizza, man!
And this from Bigdownload.com:
Edge Online stated that Arvind Bhatia at Stern Agee has predicted that the game will settle with between 250,000 and 300,000 subscribers after the first six months or so. He also states after in checking with retailers, sales of the game have met, but not exceeded, expectations.
I guess no pizza party for MJ and the Warhammer fanbois. Especially when 2009 rolls around and Aion and Darkfall release.
"September 17th interview" Digging here arent you ? Sept 17th ???
"Edge Online stated that Arvind Bhatia at Stern Agee has predicted" I can give you some stock predictions as well my friend...get my drift ? I predict the game will settle in 500k+. See, anyone can do that. On the flip side, 300k isnt great, but it certailny isnt bad -- again, if that turns out to even be a correct "guess."
As far as AION, NCsoft has alot to prove, especially with the small playerbase of L2 in the US/EU and the complete failure of TR. As far as DF, give it a rest dude...and I am serious, you are sticking your neck way out on that one. Its supposed release is a mere month or so away, and I am going to make you pay for that DF comment...we all have to take our medicine sometime...heh.
Also, I hope you realize it is most certainly not lost on me how hopelessly obsessed you are with WAR. And I am sure it goes without saying I am not the only one who sees it.
Hehe, on a partly related note, I think most players that tried WAR came from WoW actually when you look at how they pvp. They took their habits from WoW's battlegrounds and expected them to work in WAR's scenarios. Some of those tactics do work, but to no surprise as WAR is kinda like WoW-lite, just focused on PvP instead of PvE. Insert rant of WAR's roots, aoe cc and 1k+ hits here...
I can give you some stock predictions as well my friend...get my drift ? I predict the game will settle in 500k+. See, anyone can do that. On the flip side, 300k isnt great, but it certailny isnt bad -- again, if that turns out to even be a correct "guess." Not really following your drift Tyvolous but.. you are not a professional analyst. What type of work do you do? If you don't have a business degree and did some market research like that guy did, I would seriously doubt your 500k claim. The guy stating 300k is a professional analyst. I think that carries a little more weight than someone who just plays games.
I agree if Warhammer could keep 300k subs, that would be healthy. I am not disputing that in any post. But this:
Warhammer Online Creative Director Paul Barnett said in an interview that he's (literally) betting that WAR will achieve one million subscribers within a year and three million at its peak. Apparently there's an office betting pool at Mythic about this subject. If Barnett's right, he stands to win ... wait for it ... $26. Wow. Enjoy your large pizza, man!
This was just living in Disneyworld Fantasyland. He really thought in September that there would one day be 1 million people playing Warhammer in one year's time, based on the game they put out. That's enough to get you legally committed to a mental hospital in most states. This is the clearest example of why most drug dealers don't (or shouldn't) smoke the crack they sell to other people. It's irrational to get high on your own supply right along with the baseheads, makes for bad business decisions.
250k-300k is a solid number to keep a game afloat, that's all. It won't corner any markets or revolutionize anything. Be assured you will be able to play the "best MMO you've played ever" for a few years. But when you have 300k max subs,, you cannot afford to lose 10k. When you are as big as Wow, you CAN afford to lose a couple hundred thousands subs and shrug it off like nothing.
Each time I think you cannot amaze me, you do so even more Tyvolous lol. You post as a rebuttal meaningless "awards" from polls as proof the game is really flying high? What good is it to win "Most Beautiful Girl of the Year" in a pageant where the number 2 and number 3 runners-up are dogs?" My dog is prettier than your dog. Not much of a argument for a solid game. I prefer to discount "opinion" polls as proof of a award winning game.
I prefer to base it on.. If a game releases and in three months time they lose almost 40% of the people who bought it as subs... is this a sucessful game? Is this what they were striving for? Mediocrity in subscription numbers and content? Clearly Paul Barnett said 1 million in a YEAR and 3 million at its PEAK. As is evidenced already, this game HAS peaked. And that peak is... 300k. That's not a success. That's chicken salad out of chicken shit. That's snatching defeat out of the jaws of victory. That's seriously settling for whatever one can get in the MMO market, not setting the pace or blazing the way. Thats just surviving, not thriving.
"September 17th interview" Digging here arent you ? Sept 17th ???
Here let me get you some recent media on WAR: goty.gamespy.com/2008/special/13.html bestof.ign.com/2008/pc/5.html www.massively.com/2008/12/16/massivelys-best-of-favorite-new-mmo-of-2008/ two can play my friend. you enjoy those links.
Each time I think you cannot amaze me, you do so even more Tyvolous lol. You post as a rebuttal meaningless "awards" from polls as proof the game is really flying high? What good is it to win "Most Beautiful Girl of the Year" in a pageant where the number 2 and number 3 runners-up are dogs?" My dog is prettier than your dog. Not much of a argument for a solid game. I prefer to discount "opinion" polls as proof of a award winning game.
I prefer to base it on.. If a game releases and in three months time they lose almost 40% of the people who bought it as subs... is this a sucessful game? Is this what they were striving for? Mediocrity in subscription numbers and content? Clearly Paul Barnett said 1 million in a YEAR and 3 million at its PEAK. As is evidenced already, this game HAS peaked. And that peak is... 300k. That's not a success. That's chicken salad out of chicken shit. That's snatching defeat out of the jaws of victory. That's seriously settling for whatever one can get in the MMO market, not setting the pace or blazing the way. Thats just surviving, not thriving.
Anyways, grats on your awards. Enjoy!
I find it hard in a comical way to argue with you, as you post sub numbers as if you actually had a clue about what they really are. So, please, stop pulling "facts" from your 'hole and expect me to dignify your BS by actually trying to counter your "made up" sub numbers. At what point will you stop trolling the WAR forums and play the game you pay for LOTRO ? Bilbo baggins needs you, PVE abounds from what I hear...
I find it hard in a comical way to argue with you, as you post sub numbers as if you actually had a clue about what they really are. So, please, stop pulling "facts" from your 'hole and expect me to dignify your BS by actually trying to counter your "made up" sub numbers. At what point will you stop trolling the WAR forums and play the game you pay for LOTRO ? Bilbo baggins needs you, PVE abounds from what I hear...
Let's try this:
We know it isn't 1 million. Even Paul Barnett said he HOPED to have that in one year and 3 million at peak. So that number is completely out as of right now and any number near it. That would be 900k, 800k, 700k and 600k are also out.
500k subs? If Warhammer released that number tomorrow as official, you and Markaraos would be doing cartwheels all over these forums as most fanbois would. That number would secretly be the number that Mythic or any Warfanboi would brag on and point to as immense success of Warhammer. So we know its not that one either cause they won't say they have 500k subs, which means they don't. If they had 500k subs, Mythic would print that up on golden press releases and distribute it yesterday.
400k? Getting closer. But based on 18, oops.. 19 med/med servers. I doubt it's 400k subscriptions. That leaves...
300k. This is about the highest number you could get anyone who follows games to agree Warhammer MIGHT have settled at, no higher.
The thing is again, it doesnt matter. We know 10's of 1000's of people left Warhammer in the first three months after it was released. Where did they go? Why did they leave in the first place?
How about it Tyvolous? Any comment on those? Still nothing to say about that? You sure avoid that discussion like the plague. Is it because you don't have a clue, or a rebuttal.. or both?
I find it hard in a comical way to argue with you, as you post sub numbers as if you actually had a clue about what they really are. So, please, stop pulling "facts" from your 'hole and expect me to dignify your BS by actually trying to counter your "made up" sub numbers. At what point will you stop trolling the WAR forums and play the game you pay for LOTRO ? Bilbo baggins needs you, PVE abounds from what I hear...
Let's try this:
We know it isn't 1 million. Even Paul Barnett said he HOPED to have that in one year and 3 million at peak. So that number is completely out as of right now and any number near it. That would be 900k, 800k, 700k and 600k are also out.
500k subs? If Warhammer released that number tomorrow as official, you and Markaraos would be doing cartwheels all over these forums as most fanbois would. That number would secretly be the number that Mythic or any Warfanboi would brag on and point to as immense success of Warhammer. So we know its not that one either cause they won't say they have 500k subs, which means they don't. If they had 500k subs, Mythic would print that up on golden press releases and distribute it yesterday.
400k? Getting closer. But based on 18, oops.. 19 med/med servers. I doubt it's 400k subscriptions. That leaves...
300k. This is about the highest number you could get anyone who follows games to agree Warhammer MIGHT have settled at, no higher.
The thing is again, it doesnt matter. We know 10's of 1000's of people left Warhammer in the first three months after it was released. Where did they go? Why did they leave in the first place?
How about it Tyvolous? Any comment on those? Still nothing to say about that? You sure avoid that discussion like the plague. Is it because you don't have a clue, or a rebuttal.. or both?
Again, we dont know sub numbers. My guess, and it is just a guess, it is in the 400-500 k range. Just a guess, which is almost as worthless as your ramblings.
I find it hard in a comical way to argue with you, as you post sub numbers as if you actually had a clue about what they really are. So, please, stop pulling "facts" from your 'hole and expect me to dignify your BS by actually trying to counter your "made up" sub numbers. At what point will you stop trolling the WAR forums and play the game you pay for LOTRO ? Bilbo baggins needs you, PVE abounds from what I hear...
Let's try this:
We know it isn't 1 million. Even Paul Barnett said he HOPED to have that in one year and 3 million at peak. So that number is completely out as of right now and any number near it. That would be 900k, 800k, 700k and 600k are also out.
500k subs? If Warhammer released that number tomorrow as official, you and Markaraos would be doing cartwheels all over these forums as most fanbois would. That number would secretly be the number that Mythic or any Warfanboi would brag on and point to as immense success of Warhammer. So we know its not that one either cause they won't say they have 500k subs, which means they don't. If they had 500k subs, Mythic would print that up on golden press releases and distribute it yesterday.
400k? Getting closer. But based on 18, oops.. 19 med/med servers. I doubt it's 400k subscriptions. That leaves...
300k. This is about the highest number you could get anyone who follows games to agree Warhammer MIGHT have settled at, no higher.
The thing is again, it doesnt matter. We know 10's of 1000's of people left Warhammer in the first three months after it was released. Where did they go? Why did they leave in the first place?
How about it Tyvolous? Any comment on those? Still nothing to say about that? You sure avoid that discussion like the plague. Is it because you don't have a clue, or a rebuttal.. or both?
Again, we dont know sub numbers. My guess, and it is just a guess, it is in the 400-500 k range. Just a guess, which is almost as worthless as your ramblings.
The fact is that EVE and WOW both have 'growing numbers' and.... here is a shock... they both announce their numbers. Games that are dying are the ones, like AOC and Warhammer, that say " we cannot give subscription numbers etc".
800k original accounts = 60 servers X = 28 servers? Do the math, X is about 300k
I find it hard in a comical way to argue with you, as you post sub numbers as if you actually had a clue about what they really are. So, please, stop pulling "facts" from your 'hole and expect me to dignify your BS by actually trying to counter your "made up" sub numbers. At what point will you stop trolling the WAR forums and play the game you pay for LOTRO ? Bilbo baggins needs you, PVE abounds from what I hear...
Let's try this:
We know it isn't 1 million. Even Paul Barnett said he HOPED to have that in one year and 3 million at peak. So that number is completely out as of right now and any number near it. That would be 900k, 800k, 700k and 600k are also out.
500k subs? If Warhammer released that number tomorrow as official, you and Markaraos would be doing cartwheels all over these forums as most fanbois would. That number would secretly be the number that Mythic or any Warfanboi would brag on and point to as immense success of Warhammer. So we know its not that one either cause they won't say they have 500k subs, which means they don't. If they had 500k subs, Mythic would print that up on golden press releases and distribute it yesterday.
400k? Getting closer. But based on 18, oops.. 19 med/med servers. I doubt it's 400k subscriptions. That leaves...
300k. This is about the highest number you could get anyone who follows games to agree Warhammer MIGHT have settled at, no higher.
The thing is again, it doesnt matter. We know 10's of 1000's of people left Warhammer in the first three months after it was released. Where did they go? Why did they leave in the first place?
How about it Tyvolous? Any comment on those? Still nothing to say about that? You sure avoid that discussion like the plague. Is it because you don't have a clue, or a rebuttal.. or both?
Again, we dont know sub numbers. My guess, and it is just a guess, it is in the 400-500 k range. Just a guess, which is almost as worthless as your ramblings.
The fact is that EVE and WOW both have 'growing numbers' and.... here is a shock... they both announce their numbers. Games that are dying are the ones, like AOC and Warhammer, that say " we cannot give subscription numbers etc".
800k original accounts = 60 servers X = 28 servers? Do the math, X is about 300k
And please, read my signature from MJ
Just so I am not putting words into your mouth -- are you saying EVE has more subs then WAR ? Also are you saying WAR is losing subs -- not that they after the 30 month trial lost subs, but that they to this day lose more subs then they gain ?
wow has an influx of asian gold farmers fattening their sub numbers again -- so ? Also, can you show me or tell me where you found out EVE is growing numbers -- last I heard they were 250k, from their own admission in an ad on this site -- so if they are "growing numbers' what is the new number -- it has to be above 259 k ? please...enlighten me...
wow has an influx of asian gold farmers fattening their sub numbers again -- so ?
Influx fattening subscription numbers? According to your logic of "no one knows how many subs this/that", how can you say "influx" with a straight face?
On the one hand, you claim no one knows numbers, yet with the other you are ready to claim a "influx" of "asian gold farmers" in Wow fattening up their subscriptions numbers.
You really don't see any hypocritical tendencies in your postings? I really worry for you Ty.. I really do.
wow has an influx of asian gold farmers fattening their sub numbers again -- so ?
Influx fattening subscription numbers? According to your logic of "no one knows how many subs this/that", how can you say "influx" with a straight face?
On the one hand, you claim no one knows numbers, yet with the other you are ready to claim a "influx" of "asian gold farmers" in Wow fattening up their subscriptions numbers.
You really don't see any hypocritical tendencies in your postings? I really worry for you Ty.. I really do.
I must admit its been enjoyable watching you tear apart these fanbois, although I have to give it to Tyv for still trying to fight back despite being so badly outclassed.
Originally posted by Tyvolus1 Just so I am not putting words into your mouth -- are you saying EVE has more subs then WAR ? Also are you saying WAR is losing subs -- not that they after the 30 month trial lost subs, but that they to this day lose more subs then they gain ? wow has an influx of asian gold farmers fattening their sub numbers again -- so ? Also, can you show me or tell me where you found out EVE is growing numbers -- last I heard they were 250k, from their own admission in an ad on this site -- so if they are "growing numbers' what is the new number -- it has to be above 259 k ? please...enlighten me...
No he is saying the Eve is growing in subscription numbers regardless of its size when compared to another MMO.
Also you Asian gold farmer comment is beyond stupid. As if a games population can sustain an ever growing amount of gold farmers and that is what is truely padding the subscriber growth and fueling all those new servers. So many new servers added just to be filled up with gold farmers and no one to sell gold to. Brilliant!
wow has an influx of asian gold farmers fattening their sub numbers again -- so ?
Influx fattening subscription numbers? According to your logic of "no one knows how many subs this/that", how can you say "influx" with a straight face?
On the one hand, you claim no one knows numbers, yet with the other you are ready to claim a "influx" of "asian gold farmers" in Wow fattening up their subscriptions numbers.
You really don't see any hypocritical tendencies in your postings? I really worry for you Ty.. I really do.
I love the way you completely ignore my question. So as not to confuse you here it is: You say EVE is growing in subs, the game has said for a while now it has 250k -- Now, where are you getting this information that EVE is growing in subs ?
wow has an influx of asian gold farmers fattening their sub numbers again -- so ?
Influx fattening subscription numbers? According to your logic of "no one knows how many subs this/that", how can you say "influx" with a straight face?
On the one hand, you claim no one knows numbers, yet with the other you are ready to claim a "influx" of "asian gold farmers" in Wow fattening up their subscriptions numbers.
You really don't see any hypocritical tendencies in your postings? I really worry for you Ty.. I really do.
I must admit its been enjoyable watching you tear apart these fanbois, although I have to give it to Tyv for still trying to fight back despite being so badly outclassed.
wow has an influx of asian gold farmers fattening their sub numbers again -- so ?
Influx fattening subscription numbers? According to your logic of "no one knows how many subs this/that", how can you say "influx" with a straight face?
On the one hand, you claim no one knows numbers, yet with the other you are ready to claim a "influx" of "asian gold farmers" in Wow fattening up their subscriptions numbers.
You really don't see any hypocritical tendencies in your postings? I really worry for you Ty.. I really do.
I must admit its been enjoyable watching you tear apart these fanbois, although I have to give it to Tyv for still trying to fight back despite being so badly outclassed.
I am not sure, but I think you might need class, to be able to recognize class.
Warhammer should have been a much much much better game. Even War fanboys/girls should understand this. Just like LOTRO had this beeehh ... feeling with Middle Earth, so did WAR very little with the beautiful opportunities Warhammer lore gives. If you think otherwise, you want to like it just tooooo much. Anyone with a critical analysis can see the servers were full/high in EU/US at the end of September and they cut the playable servers with about 60% a few weeks ago. So the player base is about 30-40% of the player base of September 30 (at tihis "high point" 750 K accounts created : source : MJ himself). Do the math yourselves. On Xfire the ratio between Wow and War is now 1/23 (coming from 1/7 in September). So these 2 combined (server park and a sample base), we come up with 220K to 300K subscriptions for WAR. While it SHOULD have been at least 1 million according to Mark Jabocs (he did a betting of 1 million at years end and 2-3 million n the next 2 years.)
--- Sadly for the fans it will not happen, because the game simply needed to be better. And the old engine is standing in the way to develop it further down the road without lag issues and too small populations on servers. Enjoy War and just hopes it hangs on to these subs. PS. In these numbers it will never threaten anything in MMO land.
Warhammer should have been a much much much better game. Even War fanboys/girls should understand this. Just like LOTRO had this beeehh ... feeling with Middle Earth, so did WAR very little with the beautiful opportunities Warhammer lore gives. If you think otherwise, you want to like it just tooooo much. Anyone with a critical analysis can see the servers were full/high in EU/US at the end of September and they cut the playable servers with about 60% a few weeks ago. So the player base is about 30-40% of the player base of September 30 (at tihis "high point" 750 K accounts created : source : MJ himself). Do the math yourselves. On Xfire the ratio between Wow and War is now 1/23 (coming from 1/7 in September). So these 2 combined (server park and a sample base), we come up with 220K to 300K subscriptions for WAR. While it SHOULD have been at least 1 million according to Mark Jabocs (he did a betting of 1 million at years end and 2-3 million n the next 2 years.)
--- Sadly for the fans it will not happen, because the game simply needed to be better. And the old engine is standing in the way to develop it further down the road without lag issues and too small populations on servers. Enjoy War and just hopes it hangs on to these subs. PS. In these numbers it will never threaten anything in MMO land.
Warhammer should have been a much much much better game. Even War fanboys/girls should understand this. Just like LOTRO had this beeehh ... feeling with Middle Earth, so did WAR very little with the beautiful opportunities Warhammer lore gives. If you think otherwise, you want to like it just tooooo much. Anyone with a critical analysis can see the servers were full/high in EU/US at the end of September and they cut the playable servers with about 60% a few weeks ago. So the player base is about 30-40% of the player base of September 30 (at tihis "high point" 750 K accounts created : source : MJ himself). Do the math yourselves. On Xfire the ratio between Wow and War is now 1/23 (coming from 1/7 in September). So these 2 combined (server park and a sample base), we come up with 220K to 300K subscriptions for WAR. While it SHOULD have been at least 1 million according to Mark Jabocs (he did a betting of 1 million at years end and 2-3 million n the next 2 years.)
--- Sadly for the fans it will not happen, because the game simply needed to be better. And the old engine is standing in the way to develop it further down the road without lag issues and too small populations on servers. Enjoy War and just hopes it hangs on to these subs. PS. In these numbers it will never threaten anything in MMO land.
Just as if those 4 posters matter to the facts in mentioned above.
The downfall of War is mostly due to referring to Warcraft. Better be better if you want to do that.
yah, lets start a discussion on which came first...WAR or wow. Not sure you would want that tho.
One of those threads is 18 pages long. If I had 8 hours to waste I could find you a HECK of a lot more then 4...and you know it. But nice try, you get a cookie for that and some milk.
Just as if those 4 posters matter to the facts in mentioned above. The downfall of War is mostly due to referring to Warcraft. Better be better if you want to do that.
yah, lets start a discussion on which came first...WAR or wow. Not sure you would want that tho.
Of course Wow came first. ... about 4 years.
Or do you think otherwise ? LOL
care to split hairs anyone ? or maybe argue semantics ? I would assume you know what I meant.
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I guess no pizza party for MJ and the Warhammer fanbois. Especially when 2009 rolls around and Aion and Darkfall release.
"TO MICHAEL!"
WAR is the joke of the MMOs right now. Dont try to kid yourself. They lost active players the quickest after a release of all MMOs in history. You cant deny the evidence.
The fact Wrath sold 2.8million copies (EU&US) on day 1 debunks that
unless you think around 40% of the US&EU population multibox... which s laughable.
Rofl, a nightmare thread on the Warhammer Alliance forums? You mean.... *gasp* those people that actually had already quit WoW before WAR or didn't like WoW enough anymore to try out WAR ... *gasp* they don't like the expansion?! Ow noes!
Honestly, is that it?
Did you forget to mention that tops 1 million people (rofl, yeah right but humor me) are playing WAR? So let's just take the 5 million US/EU playerbase. That's still only 20% of the players tops.
Omg mass exodus!
Also noone would argue any new game took some subs from WoW and keeps them. The question is how many. We've seen 0 sub numbers from WAR beyond the 800k accounts created which they still used in their "We're going to Korea" announcement. That's it. Given the EU tanked, and the US has stabilized now, and given a ratio at least lower than 100% retention I'd personally doubt WAR is any higher than 300-400k people right now.
Nowhere near a bad number for a MMO, but to say it's got Blizzard worried. Not nearly as much anymore now as before the game released no doubt.
World of Warcraft was recently launched in Russia and Latin America, and is currently available in eight languages. In addition to North America and Europe, the game is played in mainland China, Korea, Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, Thailand, Malaysia, Chile, Argentina, and the regions of Taiwan, Hong Kong, and Macau.
During this time WoW release in new countrys around the world, BC hit Russia and WoW hit South America, so the gain might, just might be to the HUGE marketing campaign in those countrys, yes they got the whole Famous people being WoW chars you can see them on Utube.
Post the Break down of populations playing by Country, North America is not really moving.
2.8M copies of Wrath of the Lich King sold in THE FIRST DAY in NA and EU. Wrath continues to be the #1 or #2 game EVERY WEEK since it was launched IN NA and EU. That is NA and EU.. the same market as Warhammer. Forget about the 12M number if you want... focus on the fact that in NA and EU, WOW VANILLA is outselling Warhammer.
And again, in the past month, Warhammer has essentially closed down 60% of their servers while WOW has added 27 servers IN NORTH AMERICA AND EUROPE. Everyone discounts the 12M number because of Asia, but you fail to mention that WOW is blowing away the competition even in NA and EU.
And this from Bigdownload.com:I guess no pizza party for MJ and the Warhammer fanbois. Especially when 2009 rolls around and Aion and Darkfall release.
"September 17th interview" Digging here arent you ? Sept 17th ???
Here let me get you some recent media on WAR:
goty.gamespy.com/2008/special/13.html
bestof.ign.com/2008/pc/5.html
www.massively.com/2008/12/16/massivelys-best-of-favorite-new-mmo-of-2008/
two can play my friend. you enjoy those links.
"Edge Online stated that Arvind Bhatia at Stern Agee has predicted" I can give you some stock predictions as well my friend...get my drift ? I predict the game will settle in 500k+. See, anyone can do that. On the flip side, 300k isnt great, but it certailny isnt bad -- again, if that turns out to even be a correct "guess."
As far as AION, NCsoft has alot to prove, especially with the small playerbase of L2 in the US/EU and the complete failure of TR. As far as DF, give it a rest dude...and I am serious, you are sticking your neck way out on that one. Its supposed release is a mere month or so away, and I am going to make you pay for that DF comment...we all have to take our medicine sometime...heh.
Also, I hope you realize it is most certainly not lost on me how hopelessly obsessed you are with WAR. And I am sure it goes without saying I am not the only one who sees it.
Hehe, on a partly related note, I think most players that tried WAR came from WoW actually when you look at how they pvp. They took their habits from WoW's battlegrounds and expected them to work in WAR's scenarios. Some of those tactics do work, but to no surprise as WAR is kinda like WoW-lite, just focused on PvP instead of PvE. Insert rant of WAR's roots, aoe cc and 1k+ hits here...
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Grammar nazi's. This one is for you.
250k-300k is a solid number to keep a game afloat, that's all. It won't corner any markets or revolutionize anything. Be assured you will be able to play the "best MMO you've played ever" for a few years. But when you have 300k max subs,, you cannot afford to lose 10k. When you are as big as Wow, you CAN afford to lose a couple hundred thousands subs and shrug it off like nothing.
"TO MICHAEL!"
Each time I think you cannot amaze me, you do so even more Tyvolous lol. You post as a rebuttal meaningless "awards" from polls as proof the game is really flying high? What good is it to win "Most Beautiful Girl of the Year" in a pageant where the number 2 and number 3 runners-up are dogs?" My dog is prettier than your dog. Not much of a argument for a solid game. I prefer to discount "opinion" polls as proof of a award winning game.
I prefer to base it on.. If a game releases and in three months time they lose almost 40% of the people who bought it as subs... is this a sucessful game? Is this what they were striving for? Mediocrity in subscription numbers and content? Clearly Paul Barnett said 1 million in a YEAR and 3 million at its PEAK. As is evidenced already, this game HAS peaked. And that peak is... 300k. That's not a success. That's chicken salad out of chicken shit. That's snatching defeat out of the jaws of victory. That's seriously settling for whatever one can get in the MMO market, not setting the pace or blazing the way. Thats just surviving, not thriving.
Anyways, grats on your awards. Enjoy!
"TO MICHAEL!"
Each time I think you cannot amaze me, you do so even more Tyvolous lol. You post as a rebuttal meaningless "awards" from polls as proof the game is really flying high? What good is it to win "Most Beautiful Girl of the Year" in a pageant where the number 2 and number 3 runners-up are dogs?" My dog is prettier than your dog. Not much of a argument for a solid game. I prefer to discount "opinion" polls as proof of a award winning game.
I prefer to base it on.. If a game releases and in three months time they lose almost 40% of the people who bought it as subs... is this a sucessful game? Is this what they were striving for? Mediocrity in subscription numbers and content? Clearly Paul Barnett said 1 million in a YEAR and 3 million at its PEAK. As is evidenced already, this game HAS peaked. And that peak is... 300k. That's not a success. That's chicken salad out of chicken shit. That's snatching defeat out of the jaws of victory. That's seriously settling for whatever one can get in the MMO market, not setting the pace or blazing the way. Thats just surviving, not thriving.
Anyways, grats on your awards. Enjoy!
I find it hard in a comical way to argue with you, as you post sub numbers as if you actually had a clue about what they really are. So, please, stop pulling "facts" from your 'hole and expect me to dignify your BS by actually trying to counter your "made up" sub numbers. At what point will you stop trolling the WAR forums and play the game you pay for LOTRO ? Bilbo baggins needs you, PVE abounds from what I hear...
Let's try this:
We know it isn't 1 million. Even Paul Barnett said he HOPED to have that in one year and 3 million at peak. So that number is completely out as of right now and any number near it. That would be 900k, 800k, 700k and 600k are also out.
500k subs? If Warhammer released that number tomorrow as official, you and Markaraos would be doing cartwheels all over these forums as most fanbois would. That number would secretly be the number that Mythic or any Warfanboi would brag on and point to as immense success of Warhammer. So we know its not that one either cause they won't say they have 500k subs, which means they don't. If they had 500k subs, Mythic would print that up on golden press releases and distribute it yesterday.
400k? Getting closer. But based on 18, oops.. 19 med/med servers. I doubt it's 400k subscriptions. That leaves...
300k. This is about the highest number you could get anyone who follows games to agree Warhammer MIGHT have settled at, no higher.
The thing is again, it doesnt matter. We know 10's of 1000's of people left Warhammer in the first three months after it was released. Where did they go? Why did they leave in the first place?
How about it Tyvolous? Any comment on those? Still nothing to say about that? You sure avoid that discussion like the plague. Is it because you don't have a clue, or a rebuttal.. or both?
"TO MICHAEL!"
Let's try this:
We know it isn't 1 million. Even Paul Barnett said he HOPED to have that in one year and 3 million at peak. So that number is completely out as of right now and any number near it. That would be 900k, 800k, 700k and 600k are also out.
500k subs? If Warhammer released that number tomorrow as official, you and Markaraos would be doing cartwheels all over these forums as most fanbois would. That number would secretly be the number that Mythic or any Warfanboi would brag on and point to as immense success of Warhammer. So we know its not that one either cause they won't say they have 500k subs, which means they don't. If they had 500k subs, Mythic would print that up on golden press releases and distribute it yesterday.
400k? Getting closer. But based on 18, oops.. 19 med/med servers. I doubt it's 400k subscriptions. That leaves...
300k. This is about the highest number you could get anyone who follows games to agree Warhammer MIGHT have settled at, no higher.
The thing is again, it doesnt matter. We know 10's of 1000's of people left Warhammer in the first three months after it was released. Where did they go? Why did they leave in the first place?
How about it Tyvolous? Any comment on those? Still nothing to say about that? You sure avoid that discussion like the plague. Is it because you don't have a clue, or a rebuttal.. or both?
Again, we dont know sub numbers. My guess, and it is just a guess, it is in the 400-500 k range. Just a guess, which is almost as worthless as your ramblings.
Let's try this:
We know it isn't 1 million. Even Paul Barnett said he HOPED to have that in one year and 3 million at peak. So that number is completely out as of right now and any number near it. That would be 900k, 800k, 700k and 600k are also out.
500k subs? If Warhammer released that number tomorrow as official, you and Markaraos would be doing cartwheels all over these forums as most fanbois would. That number would secretly be the number that Mythic or any Warfanboi would brag on and point to as immense success of Warhammer. So we know its not that one either cause they won't say they have 500k subs, which means they don't. If they had 500k subs, Mythic would print that up on golden press releases and distribute it yesterday.
400k? Getting closer. But based on 18, oops.. 19 med/med servers. I doubt it's 400k subscriptions. That leaves...
300k. This is about the highest number you could get anyone who follows games to agree Warhammer MIGHT have settled at, no higher.
The thing is again, it doesnt matter. We know 10's of 1000's of people left Warhammer in the first three months after it was released. Where did they go? Why did they leave in the first place?
How about it Tyvolous? Any comment on those? Still nothing to say about that? You sure avoid that discussion like the plague. Is it because you don't have a clue, or a rebuttal.. or both?
Again, we dont know sub numbers. My guess, and it is just a guess, it is in the 400-500 k range. Just a guess, which is almost as worthless as your ramblings.
The fact is that EVE and WOW both have 'growing numbers' and.... here is a shock... they both announce their numbers. Games that are dying are the ones, like AOC and Warhammer, that say " we cannot give subscription numbers etc".
800k original accounts = 60 servers X = 28 servers? Do the math, X is about 300k
And please, read my signature from MJ
Let's try this:
We know it isn't 1 million. Even Paul Barnett said he HOPED to have that in one year and 3 million at peak. So that number is completely out as of right now and any number near it. That would be 900k, 800k, 700k and 600k are also out.
500k subs? If Warhammer released that number tomorrow as official, you and Markaraos would be doing cartwheels all over these forums as most fanbois would. That number would secretly be the number that Mythic or any Warfanboi would brag on and point to as immense success of Warhammer. So we know its not that one either cause they won't say they have 500k subs, which means they don't. If they had 500k subs, Mythic would print that up on golden press releases and distribute it yesterday.
400k? Getting closer. But based on 18, oops.. 19 med/med servers. I doubt it's 400k subscriptions. That leaves...
300k. This is about the highest number you could get anyone who follows games to agree Warhammer MIGHT have settled at, no higher.
The thing is again, it doesnt matter. We know 10's of 1000's of people left Warhammer in the first three months after it was released. Where did they go? Why did they leave in the first place?
How about it Tyvolous? Any comment on those? Still nothing to say about that? You sure avoid that discussion like the plague. Is it because you don't have a clue, or a rebuttal.. or both?
Again, we dont know sub numbers. My guess, and it is just a guess, it is in the 400-500 k range. Just a guess, which is almost as worthless as your ramblings.
The fact is that EVE and WOW both have 'growing numbers' and.... here is a shock... they both announce their numbers. Games that are dying are the ones, like AOC and Warhammer, that say " we cannot give subscription numbers etc".
800k original accounts = 60 servers X = 28 servers? Do the math, X is about 300k
And please, read my signature from MJ
Just so I am not putting words into your mouth -- are you saying EVE has more subs then WAR ? Also are you saying WAR is losing subs -- not that they after the 30 month trial lost subs, but that they to this day lose more subs then they gain ?
wow has an influx of asian gold farmers fattening their sub numbers again -- so ? Also, can you show me or tell me where you found out EVE is growing numbers -- last I heard they were 250k, from their own admission in an ad on this site -- so if they are "growing numbers' what is the new number -- it has to be above 259 k ? please...enlighten me...
Influx fattening subscription numbers? According to your logic of "no one knows how many subs this/that", how can you say "influx" with a straight face?
On the one hand, you claim no one knows numbers, yet with the other you are ready to claim a "influx" of "asian gold farmers" in Wow fattening up their subscriptions numbers.
You really don't see any hypocritical tendencies in your postings? I really worry for you Ty.. I really do.
"TO MICHAEL!"
Influx fattening subscription numbers? According to your logic of "no one knows how many subs this/that", how can you say "influx" with a straight face?
On the one hand, you claim no one knows numbers, yet with the other you are ready to claim a "influx" of "asian gold farmers" in Wow fattening up their subscriptions numbers.
You really don't see any hypocritical tendencies in your postings? I really worry for you Ty.. I really do.
I must admit its been enjoyable watching you tear apart these fanbois, although I have to give it to Tyv for still trying to fight back despite being so badly outclassed.
O_o o_O
No he is saying the Eve is growing in subscription numbers regardless of its size when compared to another MMO.
Also you Asian gold farmer comment is beyond stupid. As if a games population can sustain an ever growing amount of gold farmers and that is what is truely padding the subscriber growth and fueling all those new servers. So many new servers added just to be filled up with gold farmers and no one to sell gold to. Brilliant!
Influx fattening subscription numbers? According to your logic of "no one knows how many subs this/that", how can you say "influx" with a straight face?
On the one hand, you claim no one knows numbers, yet with the other you are ready to claim a "influx" of "asian gold farmers" in Wow fattening up their subscriptions numbers.
You really don't see any hypocritical tendencies in your postings? I really worry for you Ty.. I really do.
I love the way you completely ignore my question. So as not to confuse you here it is: You say EVE is growing in subs, the game has said for a while now it has 250k -- Now, where are you getting this information that EVE is growing in subs ?
thanks in advance.
Influx fattening subscription numbers? According to your logic of "no one knows how many subs this/that", how can you say "influx" with a straight face?
On the one hand, you claim no one knows numbers, yet with the other you are ready to claim a "influx" of "asian gold farmers" in Wow fattening up their subscriptions numbers.
You really don't see any hypocritical tendencies in your postings? I really worry for you Ty.. I really do.
I must admit its been enjoyable watching you tear apart these fanbois, although I have to give it to Tyv for still trying to fight back despite being so badly outclassed.
I thought it was the other way around. Go figure.
Influx fattening subscription numbers? According to your logic of "no one knows how many subs this/that", how can you say "influx" with a straight face?
On the one hand, you claim no one knows numbers, yet with the other you are ready to claim a "influx" of "asian gold farmers" in Wow fattening up their subscriptions numbers.
You really don't see any hypocritical tendencies in your postings? I really worry for you Ty.. I really do.
I must admit its been enjoyable watching you tear apart these fanbois, although I have to give it to Tyv for still trying to fight back despite being so badly outclassed.
I am not sure, but I think you might need class, to be able to recognize class.
this is from the wow forums...enjoy !!
forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html;jsessionid=930A571930D34FADFEDCF082014AA0F7.app23_03
Since you like bringing up wow...Enjoy !!
forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html
Both games suck.
the best blog of the net
this is from the wow forums...enjoy !!
forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html;jsessionid=930A571930D34FADFEDCF082014AA0F7.app23_03
Oh and where are the official WAR forums ?
Just as if those 4 posters matter to the facts in mentioned above.
The downfall of War is mostly due to referring to Warcraft. Better be better if you want to do that.
yah, lets start a discussion on which came first...WAR or wow. Not sure you would want that tho.
One of those threads is 18 pages long. If I had 8 hours to waste I could find you a HECK of a lot more then 4...and you know it. But nice try, you get a cookie for that and some milk.
yah, lets start a discussion on which came first...WAR or wow. Not sure you would want that tho.
Of course Wow came first. ... about 4 years.
Or do you think otherwise ? LOL
care to split hairs anyone ? or maybe argue semantics ? I would assume you know what I meant.