Its not MMORPG.COM's responsibility to protect gullible fans. Use your heads.
MMORPG.com is the only site that protects the trolls, it's called retaliation rule.
That's why they'll hate the official Darkfall forum. There the community first hammer them down then take a piss at them when they lie down. And after that the mods ban them and lock/delete the thread.
And that's no fun for someone using internet for boosting their self-esteem. So this is the 'sceptics' paradise, like a 'fat-camp' they're among their equals.
This is their territory and will do everything to keep normal people from entering.
I'm sorry. Who's stroking their e-peen?
Perhaps it pisses the Forumfallers off that their Lord Tasos wouldn't last 1 page on this forum when trying to give the same bullshit you guys swallow down. No mods to delete questions he wouldn't like to answer. No fanbois in charge of who gets to ask what.
Even the Mourning and Dark and Light devs had guts enough to try to sell their BS on these forums. They got trampled in their own stupidity, but they tried.
Originally posted by Zorvan Newsflash: I happen to be of the opinion that the majority of "forumfallers" are elist, childish, pricks practicing their e-peen stroking on the family cat in the basement.
And we don't care about your opinion. It works.
Summary of this thread:
"Burn the witch!"
"Don't burn the witch. The witch makes healing potions."
Its not MMORPG.COM's responsibility to protect gullible fans. Use your heads.
MMORPG.com is the only site that protects the trolls, it's called retaliation rule.
That's why they'll hate the official Darkfall forum. There the community first hammer them down then take a piss at them when they lie down. And after that the mods ban them and lock/delete the thread.
And that's no fun for someone using internet for boosting their self-esteem. So this is the 'sceptics' paradise, like a 'fat-camp' they're among their equals.
This is their territory and will do everything to keep normal people from entering.
Oh Nooz, did the realityarrow hit your eye?
This site must make you feel so cool and special, I'm happy that you have find a place where you can escape reality and be a cool dude
______________________________ The Sceptics, yes they're special but we've need them to.. I guess. And if they're put more effort MMORPG.com can create a 'Team Sceptic' and send them to the Special Olympus.
Don't expect MMORPG to remove DF they tend to leave dead games on here and never clean out the chaf. Example? Well lets take that other wonder game DnL. They have been offline for almost half a year, the game was stillborn, the developers have been found guility in French court of stealing the underlying terrain engine and ordered to make restitution. Guess what?? MMORPG still lists the game as "Released". I guess they will keep Tabula Rasa listed as "Released" since at one time it was also functional though their servers are going down in Feb. Now of course thousands of people are testing say Runes of Magic and I see no mention of it on this site and it meets ALL the requirements of being listed as a Game in Development so what gives? Sounds like MMORPG is less then professional and actually Stadden's answers were rather condescending. Not suprising though since I used to mod on another game site and the "editor's in charge" were nothing but e-peen strokers. If you think that anyone that writes for any of these gaming sites are "credible" journalists you are just as delusional as the Dark-n-Fail fawnbois.
RE: Runes of Magic - I think you'll find, that we not only have this game listed, but have been bringing you regular features, it was nominated for an award, and as I look it is currently on the front page as one of the most anticpated games in development.
Honestly, I thought that DnL had been removed. I will look into this.
Tabula Rasa will be removed from the active game list when the servers go down on February 28th.
Silly me, I didn't see RoM listed over there to the left as a game in development so I assumed that it didn't have a forum. Guess I missed something somewhere
That's why they'll hate the official Darkfall forum. There the community first hammer them down then take a piss at them when they lie down. And after that the mods ban them and lock/delete the thread.
Heh. I know why I got fed up of forumfall.
Solid topics with arguments and more were just bashed even when there weren't straight criticisms aimed at Darkfall.
I remember a guy talking about the alignment system, possible flaws, comparisons with other MMORPGs and so on, and what the vast majority of people replied? "Gtfo WoW kid" "lol carebear" and every kind of possible juvenile answer.
There are many crappy topics in here, but I'm just glad the community just let others think freely (for the most times) and discuss worthy topics instead of spamming in them with some childish, and sometimes elitist atitude.
In the end, that only makes the community look extremely bad. Well to each his own.
I dont know if mmorpg.com has asked about a sneak peek for Darkfall but with the latest doings, it seems time to demand it. For our sake, after all there have been a few scams in the past few years. mmo players are growing tired of indie developers asking for pre-order money then come launch day the game is 95% unfinished. It would sure be nice if mmorpg.com could step in here and protect the community from a possible scam here with Darkfall. At this point, all we've seen is a graniy edited video from a yr ago. There isnt much proof that this game even exists. And there are beta leaks that suggest the game is empty like Dark and Light was. My suggestion, mmorpg.com contacts Tasos and asks for a beta key to see for themselves if the game exists and delivers on its promises. A review is due us BEFORE we start giving an unproven and unknown developer money for an MMO we dont even know works. If Tasos refuses, pull Darkfall off the mmorpg.com list and post an article warning the community of a potential scam. If Tasos and Adventurine want to be taken seriously they will comply. If the game is just another scam where they grab all the money they can before launch day and then run for the hills, then it should be easy for mmorpg.com to find out in beta scams only hurt the industry. If this is another D&L players are going to be very leary of ever pre-ordering again. Plus it makes other indy devs look bad. Please look into this and confirm the game exists and works or let us know otherwise
I dont know if mmorpg.com has asked about a sneak peek for Darkfall but with the latest doings, it seems time to demand it. For our sake, after all there have been a few scams in the past few years. mmo players are growing tired of indie developers asking for pre-order money then come launch day the game is 95% unfinished. It would sure be nice if mmorpg.com could step in here and protect the community from a possible scam here with Darkfall. At this point, all we've seen is a graniy edited video from a yr ago. There isnt much proof that this game even exists. And there are beta leaks that suggest the game is empty like Dark and Light was. My suggestion, mmorpg.com contacts Tasos and asks for a beta key to see for themselves if the game exists and delivers on its promises. A review is due us BEFORE we start giving an unproven and unknown developer money for an MMO we dont even know works. If Tasos refuses, pull Darkfall off the mmorpg.com list and post an article warning the community of a potential scam. If Tasos and Adventurine want to be taken seriously they will comply. If the game is just another scam where they grab all the money they can before launch day and then run for the hills, then it should be easy for mmorpg.com to find out in beta scams only hurt the industry. If this is another D&L players are going to be very leary of ever pre-ordering again. Plus it makes other indydevs look bad. Please look into this and confirm the game exists and works or let us know otherwise
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Wow great reply there full of information and wit.
If your representative of a Darkfall community member I'm glad I'm unlikely to play a game full of immature L33T kids.
Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981
It always makes me sad when once again I am forced to realize that the population of this forum has turned into absolute idiots. With that said.. Why don't you all just wait until the end of Febuary, then all the european kids can play it and tell you how the game is for three months, until you finally get to try it on a US server. That way, you don't have to pay for it, you get a three month intensive review, and you can sit back and complain about all the things you don't like about it, while having no way of giving feedback or playing the game. To all the EU players who are concerned, get over it and apply for the EU beta, if you don't get in it, read what all the other cool kids write and believe some of it after you read 10 or so accounts. Everyone else shut up and go back to your corners while you daydream about how you can throw more conspiracies at the first game that may have potential since AC.
On a site note, Adventurtine doesn't want to answer questions or create more hype than there already is, so I'm sure they are happy that the select few that complained in this thread about lack of information aren't going to buy the game. As for the player base, I am sure they are happy they aren't going to be playing with skeptical trash-talking trolls as well.
Wait, hold up. You're talking about a business, into which people have invested money. And this same business does not want to create more hype which will bring them more revenue? Are we living on the same planet here or do basic business and investment practices do not apply in Greece?
It always makes me sad when once again I am forced to realize that the population of this forum has turned into absolute idiots. With that said.. Why don't you all just wait until the end of Febuary, then all the european kids can play it and tell you how the game is for three months, until you finally get to try it on a US server. That way, you don't have to pay for it, you get a three month intensive review, and you can sit back and complain about all the things you don't like about it, while having no way of giving feedback or playing the game. To all the EU players who are concerned, get over it and apply for the EU beta, if you don't get in it, read what all the other cool kids write and believe some of it after you read 10 or so accounts. Everyone else shut up and go back to your corners while you daydream about how you can throw more conspiracies at the first game that may have potential since AC.
On a site note, Adventurtine doesn't want to answer questions or create more hype than there already is, so I'm sure they are happy that the select few that complained in this thread about lack of information aren't going to buy the game. As for the player base, I am sure they are happy they aren't going to be playing with skeptical trash-talking trolls as well.
Wait, hold up. You're talking about a business, into which people have invested money. And this same business does not want to create more hype which will bring them more revenue? Are we living on the same planet here or do basic business and investment practices do not apply in Greece?
It makes a bit more sense in the gaming world that general business practices. If they don't have enough servers to support what the demand is, people may end up just cramming on to one server and overloading it.
It's not that don't need more customers, they just don't need them NOW.
I dont know if mmorpg.com has asked about a sneak peek for Darkfall but with the latest doings, it seems time to demand it. For our sake, after all there have been a few scams in the past few years. mmo players are growing tired of indie developers asking for pre-order money then come launch day the game is 95% unfinished. It would sure be nice if mmorpg.com could step in here and protect the community from a possible scam here with Darkfall. At this point, all we've seen is a graniy edited video from a yr ago. There isnt much proof that this game even exists. And there are beta leaks that suggest the game is empty like Dark and Light was. My suggestion, mmorpg.com contacts Tasos and asks for a beta key to see for themselves if the game exists and delivers on its promises. A review is due us BEFORE we start giving an unproven and unknown developer money for an MMO we dont even know works. If Tasos refuses, pull Darkfall off the mmorpg.com list and post an article warning the community of a potential scam. If Tasos and Adventurine want to be taken seriously they will comply. If the game is just another scam where they grab all the money they can before launch day and then run for the hills, then it should be easy for mmorpg.com to find out in beta scams only hurt the industry. If this is another D&L players are going to be very leary of ever pre-ordering again. Plus it makes other indy devs look bad. Please look into this and confirm the game exists and works or let us know otherwise
How can this be a scam when there will be tens of thousands playing it before they have asked for a dime off anyone?
The product will be there for all to see. it will be reviewed to death. It is transparent and open.
What the hell is your problem?
This OP, and anyone how says 'I second this' is obviously somehow deficiant.
Stop trying to emotively link DF with unrelated fails due to vastly different circumstances from other Devs.
It is not a SCAM to players, it is a scam to investors... wake up.
Don't expect MMORPG to remove DF they tend to leave dead games on here and never clean out the chaf. Example? Well lets take that other wonder game DnL. They have been offline for almost half a year, the game was stillborn, the developers have been found guility in French court of stealing the underlying terrain engine and ordered to make restitution. Guess what?? MMORPG still lists the game as "Released". I guess they will keep Tabula Rasa listed as "Released" since at one time it was also functional though their servers are going down in Feb. Now of course thousands of people are testing say Runes of Magic and I see no mention of it on this site and it meets ALL the requirements of being listed as a Game in Development so what gives? Sounds like MMORPG is less then professional and actually Stadden's answers were rather condescending. Not suprising though since I used to mod on another game site and the "editor's in charge" were nothing but e-peen strokers. If you think that anyone that writes for any of these gaming sites are "credible" journalists you are just as delusional as the Dark-n-Fail fawnbois.
RE: Runes of Magic - I think you'll find, that we not only have this game listed, but have been bringing you regular features, it was nominated for an award, and as I look it is currently on the front page as one of the most anticpated games in development.
Honestly, I thought that DnL had been removed. I will look into this.
Tabula Rasa will be removed from the active game list when the servers go down on February 28th.
Silly me, I didn't see RoM listed over there to the left as a game in development so I assumed that it didn't have a forum. Guess I missed something somewhere
I usually save this info for newbies who can't bother to look, since most people here for years should know. See that "Game List" tab right between "Comics" and "F.A.Q." up above? Or maybe that "Show Quick Gamelist" button with the magnifying glass icon? THAT is where all the games on this site are. The games to the left are a sample.
heh, having fun yet? This is what the DFO forum is like aaaall the time, the trolls constantly throwing lunatic ideas around.
My personal favourite is that the developers have been spending 6 YEARS in prepairing this a scam.. oh that is priceless.
Just you wait, soon they will say that mmorpg.com is in on the scam because they won't remove the game from its boards, mark my words it will happen soon(tm).
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Jon Wood, My personal favourite is that the developers have been spending 6 YEARS in prepairing this a scam.. oh that is priceless.
Actually, it has been eight years...not six years.
And before the fanbots scream "It's a new company! The game was completely rebuilt from scratch!!", here's a nice find posted by templarga in another thread: www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/2583342#2583342
"GB: It's been nearly two years since we talked to you last, so can you give us a quick summary of where you stand in the development of Darkfall?
Claus: We have come a long way since the first Gamebanshee interview. Back then we had the four guys in a basement, now we have a team of 20 people working hard on finishing the game. We also moved country,from a basement in Oslo, Norway to modern offices close to the Olympic stadium in Athens, Greece. We all have a nice tan now.
Darkfall is entering closed beta testing in September this year. The closed beta is fully playable, with most core features implemented. We will be adding features and content during closed beta, while we gear up for the next beta stages.
GB: In the past couple of years, have any of your design goals changed? Has anything been cut/added from the development process?
Claus: Very little has changed. We have stayed true to the original design, and kept almost all of the features promised when we launched the Darkfall site two years ago. We sadly had to remove some popular features such as flying mounts, for reasons having to do with game balance issues related to sieges, and deformable terrain, due to possible latency issues. We have tried to make up for it by adding more content than originally planned. We'll be looking at possibly implementing these features at a later date. "
Direct quote again: "Jonric: Still looking at the past year or so, what are the notable improvements and additions you've made to Darkfall?
Claus Grovdal: From a design point of view, nothing notable has changed from the main parameters. Last year has been all about adding content plus refining and tweaking various aspects of the game."
(Emphasis in red and mine again).
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Do you see a trend here? Nothing much changed from the original game announcec by Razorwax back in 2001. Nothing can be clearer and more obvious.
So, from 2001 to now 2009, that's 8 years of development. Straight from Claus' mouth.
Oh, you'll also note the "closed beta is fully playable with most core features in".
So, the OP needs protection against his own free will or his inability to judge the pretty much unbiased information mmorpg.com has been giving us considering Darkfall? Poor thing ...
I'm admitting to not reading this thread in its entirety but I just wanted to say that MMORPG has always been one of the best or the best place for "troll haters" to post their opinions warning others about potential scams and rip-offs and crappy or buggy games in the past.
I've personally saved countless time and money listening to what these "troll haters" have had to say in the past about many games and company's, and got a great deal of entertainment from it.
I personally think the staffs official impartial, objective "hands off", "benefit of the doubt", "innocent until proven guilty" type approach to many dubious games in the past was correct and professional overtime because they allowed the community to discuss the issues and present evidence without passing judgment themselves prematurely before the facts were in.
Not all games are total scams or deliberate rip-offs, many of them are just mismanaged and incompetent or have greedy arrogant people behind them making promises they can't keep and don't really deserve to be removed because that would help them hide their activities.
Its always hard to determine exactly what the truth is until irrefutable evidence is presented, then in my experience this site has always acted, but only when the evidence supported it fully.
I've noticed that the moderation on the Darkfall forum has become slightly more accommodating to the more negative opinions recently after the delays and the announcement of preorders and only limited open beta with NDA before launch, and I think that's another indication that this site has its community's best interests irrespective of their position on the matter at heart.
So in closing and more succinctly, I think the forums should stay until the game is released so that whatever happens, people can get information and read different opinions and make their own decision, removing the game would be counter productive to this sites purpose in my opinion.
just to reitterat: All we need is someone with credentials to spend a few days playing to prove the game exists, some features at least are in the game, its stable, and worth paying for. That cant possible be considered an unreasonable request
This forum has become a joke with all the " only looking out for you" trolls. Its starting to ruin the whole mmorpg site along with it. Sad, this site had potental
this statement screams of fanboism, if this company actually releasd it's game in a playable state or even showed people what they had (if anything) this would be a moot point but the fact remains that nothing that has been said or done surrounding this game has instilled any confidence in a skeptical community much larger companies have done much worse.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
This forum has become a joke with all the " only looking out for you" trolls. Its starting to ruin the whole mmorpg site along with it. Sad, this site had potental
Of course, because the whole point of this site is to hype up unfinished games with barren worlds, features turned off and crappy animations, as well as, praise shady development companies and a guy named Tasos.
cause thats what's being done This game was actually under the radar with all its fans until the WoWers, AoCers, and Warers games didn't work out and decided to take it out on darkfall for some reason. Never could figure that one out. But hey, whatever floats your boat.
This is still blatant fanboism this game is still as under the radar as can be but let's be honest here up until last week this game was supposed to release this week but we have heard that much is not in the game yet it took them up until the week before release to delay the game again honestly if you had worked on this game for this many years how could you possibly not know sooner than a week ago that it was not ready for release? I actually said as much back in an earlier poll about wether it would release in 08 or not not only could it not but it would be a hard sell to release in jan 09 either but somehow the guys developing it couldn't see as much? I don't think this has anything to do with WoWers.AoCers or Warers (whatever those are)
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
So you want a third party website to attempt to pressure a developer into meeting your demands? That's totally unethical. If they do not want to maintain a DF forum on this then that is fine, just remove it. However going to a developer and demanding beta access whilst threatening to remove their forum and post defamatory comments if they don't agree is completely beyond what is reasonable, if they did this I think that this site would come under an awful lot scrutiny from the general gaming world. This website is not here to police developers if you think a scam is being perputrated you should contact the real police. If you think it is not real scam and just that a shoddy product will be sold and you are going to buy it anyway perhaps you need policing from yourself?
You damn right if Adventurine wants my money now I want to know that an actual game exists is there something wrong with that? Now it would be noe thing if they said you get immediate access to beta with a pre order but that is not the case anyone who knows anything of mmos especialy in the last 2-3 years would be a foold to blindly cough up money for a product they don't even know exists.
Could you imagine if movies released the same way these mmos do?
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
So you want a third party website to attempt to pressure a developer into meeting your demands? That's totally unethical. If they do not want to maintain a DF forum on this then that is fine, just remove it. However going to a developer and demanding beta access whilst threatening to remove their forum and post defamatory comments if they don't agree is completely beyond what is reasonable, if they did this I think that this site would come under an awful lot scrutiny from the general gaming world. This website is not here to police developers if you think a scam is being perputrated you should contact the real police. If you think it is not real scam and just that a shoddy product will be sold and you are going to buy it anyway perhaps you need policing from yourself?
You damn right if Adventurine wants my money now I want to know that an actual game exists is there something wrong with that? Now it would be noe thing if they said you get immediate access to beta with a pre order but that is not the case anyone who knows anything of mmos especialy in the last 2-3 years would be a foold to blindly cough up money for a product they don't even know exists.
Could you imagine if movies released the same way these mmos do?
Movies that haven't been screened for critics (presumably because the reviews will be so bad they'd hinder revenue) are released all the time.
So you want a third party website to attempt to pressure a developer into meeting your demands? That's totally unethical. If they do not want to maintain a DF forum on this then that is fine, just remove it. However going to a developer and demanding beta access whilst threatening to remove their forum and post defamatory comments if they don't agree is completely beyond what is reasonable, if they did this I think that this site would come under an awful lot scrutiny from the general gaming world. This website is not here to police developers if you think a scam is being perputrated you should contact the real police. If you think it is not real scam and just that a shoddy product will be sold and you are going to buy it anyway perhaps you need policing from yourself?
You damn right if Adventurine wants my money now I want to know that an actual game exists is there something wrong with that? Now it would be noe thing if they said you get immediate access to beta with a pre order but that is not the case anyone who knows anything of mmos especialy in the last 2-3 years would be a foold to blindly cough up money for a product they don't even know exists.
Could you imagine if movies released the same way these mmos do?
You could be right if Aventurine had actually asked for money from anyone.
But that's not the case, and an open beta (or stress test, or free trial, call it what you want) is planned to begin the 22nd of januray, before they start to sell pre-order - If you understood from Tasos' post that you needed to pre-order in order to get into the beta, then you should really learn how to read.
If there is no open beta the 22nd, or if there are way too much people tant can't get in, then it will be OK to complain. But until that date, I don't see the point of making posts accusing Aventurine of planning a scam.
So you want a third party website to attempt to pressure a developer into meeting your demands? That's totally unethical. If they do not want to maintain a DF forum on this then that is fine, just remove it. However going to a developer and demanding beta access whilst threatening to remove their forum and post defamatory comments if they don't agree is completely beyond what is reasonable, if they did this I think that this site would come under an awful lot scrutiny from the general gaming world. This website is not here to police developers if you think a scam is being perputrated you should contact the real police. If you think it is not real scam and just that a shoddy product will be sold and you are going to buy it anyway perhaps you need policing from yourself?
You damn right if Adventurine wants my money now I want to know that an actual game exists is there something wrong with that? Now it would be noe thing if they said you get immediate access to beta with a pre order but that is not the case anyone who knows anything of mmos especialy in the last 2-3 years would be a foold to blindly cough up money for a product they don't even know exists.
Could you imagine if movies released the same way these mmos do?
Movies that haven't been screened for critics (presumably because the reviews will be so bad they'd hinder revenue) are released all the time.
~Ripper
A movie might not be reviewed by a critic thats true. However you can bet no film maker would dare try and sell a movie advertised as 120 minutes long that actually only had 30 minutes of footage. Its a guarantee that if a film is distributed to a movie house, its complete as promised.
MMO's are protected from prying eyes unlike any other product. And without a review we as players go in on blind faith. Developers dont care because for some reason there is little legislation to protect us. For all we know, Darkfall is nothing but an empty virtual landscape. Its happened before (Dark and Light)
Look at Age of Conan. Right on the box it says DX10 yet there is no DX10 support in the game. Its a blatant false lie. A yr later it still isnt in the game. Had a car advertised a v6 engine but sold you one with a V4 you could sue the pants off everyone involved.
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MMORPG.com is the only site that protects the trolls, it's called retaliation rule.
That's why they'll hate the official Darkfall forum. There the community first hammer them down then take a piss at them when they lie down. And after that the mods ban them and lock/delete the thread.
And that's no fun for someone using internet for boosting their self-esteem. So this is the 'sceptics' paradise, like a 'fat-camp' they're among their equals.
This is their territory and will do everything to keep normal people from entering.
I'm sorry. Who's stroking their e-peen?
Perhaps it pisses the Forumfallers off that their Lord Tasos wouldn't last 1 page on this forum when trying to give the same bullshit you guys swallow down. No mods to delete questions he wouldn't like to answer. No fanbois in charge of who gets to ask what.
Even the Mourning and Dark and Light devs had guts enough to try to sell their BS on these forums. They got trampled in their own stupidity, but they tried.
And we don't care about your opinion. It works.
Summary of this thread:
"Burn the witch!"
"Don't burn the witch. The witch makes healing potions."
"Burn the witch!"
MMORPG.com is the only site that protects the trolls, it's called retaliation rule.
That's why they'll hate the official Darkfall forum. There the community first hammer them down then take a piss at them when they lie down. And after that the mods ban them and lock/delete the thread.
And that's no fun for someone using internet for boosting their self-esteem. So this is the 'sceptics' paradise, like a 'fat-camp' they're among their equals.
This is their territory and will do everything to keep normal people from entering.
Oh Nooz, did the realityarrow hit your eye?
This site must make you feel so cool and special, I'm happy that you have find a place where you can escape reality and be a cool dude
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The Sceptics, yes they're special but we've need them to.. I guess.
And if they're put more effort MMORPG.com can create a 'Team Sceptic'
and send them to the Special Olympus.
did MMOrpg offer to fly a reporter out to greece or hire a freelancer there?
because they did state they will give out press passes when they are ready.
RE: Runes of Magic - I think you'll find, that we not only have this game listed, but have been bringing you regular features, it was nominated for an award, and as I look it is currently on the front page as one of the most anticpated games in development.
Honestly, I thought that DnL had been removed. I will look into this.
Tabula Rasa will be removed from the active game list when the servers go down on February 28th.
Silly me, I didn't see RoM listed over there to the left as a game in development so I assumed that it didn't have a forum. Guess I missed something somewhere
Heh. I know why I got fed up of forumfall.
Solid topics with arguments and more were just bashed even when there weren't straight criticisms aimed at Darkfall.
I remember a guy talking about the alignment system, possible flaws, comparisons with other MMORPGs and so on, and what the vast majority of people replied? "Gtfo WoW kid" "lol carebear" and every kind of possible juvenile answer.
There are many crappy topics in here, but I'm just glad the community just let others think freely (for the most times) and discuss worthy topics instead of spamming in them with some childish, and sometimes elitist atitude.
In the end, that only makes the community look extremely bad. Well to each his own.
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Wow great reply there full of information and wit.
If your representative of a Darkfall community member I'm glad I'm unlikely to play a game full of immature L33T kids.
Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981
pathetic troll
His post contained discussion and reasoned arguments.
Your post isn't even punctuated.
Who's the troll?
Nothing says irony like spelling ideot wrong.
Wait, hold up. You're talking about a business, into which people have invested money. And this same business does not want to create more hype which will bring them more revenue? Are we living on the same planet here or do basic business and investment practices do not apply in Greece?
Wait, hold up. You're talking about a business, into which people have invested money. And this same business does not want to create more hype which will bring them more revenue? Are we living on the same planet here or do basic business and investment practices do not apply in Greece?
It makes a bit more sense in the gaming world that general business practices. If they don't have enough servers to support what the demand is, people may end up just cramming on to one server and overloading it.
It's not that don't need more customers, they just don't need them NOW.
How can this be a scam when there will be tens of thousands playing it before they have asked for a dime off anyone?
The product will be there for all to see. it will be reviewed to death. It is transparent and open.
What the hell is your problem?
This OP, and anyone how says 'I second this' is obviously somehow deficiant.
Stop trying to emotively link DF with unrelated fails due to vastly different circumstances from other Devs.
It is not a SCAM to players, it is a scam to investors... wake up.
RE: Runes of Magic - I think you'll find, that we not only have this game listed, but have been bringing you regular features, it was nominated for an award, and as I look it is currently on the front page as one of the most anticpated games in development.
Honestly, I thought that DnL had been removed. I will look into this.
Tabula Rasa will be removed from the active game list when the servers go down on February 28th.
Silly me, I didn't see RoM listed over there to the left as a game in development so I assumed that it didn't have a forum. Guess I missed something somewhere
I usually save this info for newbies who can't bother to look, since most people here for years should know. See that "Game List" tab right between "Comics" and "F.A.Q." up above? Or maybe that "Show Quick Gamelist" button with the magnifying glass icon? THAT is where all the games on this site are. The games to the left are a sample.
Jon Wood,
heh, having fun yet? This is what the DFO forum is like aaaall the time, the trolls constantly throwing lunatic ideas around.
My personal favourite is that the developers have been spending 6 YEARS in prepairing this a scam.. oh that is priceless.
Just you wait, soon they will say that mmorpg.com is in on the scam because they won't remove the game from its boards, mark my words it will happen soon(tm).
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I have nothing clever to say.
Actually, it has been eight years...not six years.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
Actually, it has been eight years...not six years.
And before the fanbots scream "It's a new company! The game was completely rebuilt from scratch!!", here's a nice find posted by templarga in another thread: www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/2583342#2583342
Found it myself:
1. FAQ over at WarCry: df.warcry.com/faq/view/237/
If you click on the "What is razorwax?" question (1.3) it will give you the history of Razorwax, Aventurine and Darkfall.
2. Here is a detailed article at WarCry about the history of the game up to the point the article was written (2007): www.warcry.com/articles/view/editorials/3222-Surlys-Column-State-of-the-Game-Darkfall-Razorwax-and-Aventurine-Heres-the-Rub
3. Here is an interview from 2003 at GameBanshee:www.gamebanshee.com/interviews/darkfall2-1.php
This is a direct quote from the interview:
"GB: It's been nearly two years since we talked to you last, so can you give us a quick summary of where you stand in the development of Darkfall?
Claus: We have come a long way since the first Gamebanshee interview. Back then we had the four guys in a basement, now we have a team of 20 people working hard on finishing the game. We also moved country,from a basement in Oslo, Norway to modern offices close to the Olympic stadium in Athens, Greece. We all have a nice tan now.
Darkfall is entering closed beta testing in September this year. The closed beta is fully playable, with most core features implemented. We will be adding features and content during closed beta, while we gear up for the next beta stages.
GB: In the past couple of years, have any of your design goals changed? Has anything been cut/added from the development process?
Claus: Very little has changed. We have stayed true to the original design, and kept almost all of the features promised when we launched the Darkfall site two years ago. We sadly had to remove some popular features such as flying mounts, for reasons having to do with game balance issues related to sieges, and deformable terrain, due to possible latency issues. We have tried to make up for it by adding more content than originally planned. We'll be looking at possibly implementing these features at a later date. "
(Emphasis in red and is mine).
4. Here is an interview at IGnVault in 2005: rpgvault.ign.com/articles/671/671666p1.html
Direct quote again: "Jonric: Still looking at the past year or so, what are the notable improvements and additions you've made to Darkfall?
Claus Grovdal: From a design point of view, nothing notable has changed from the main parameters. Last year has been all about adding content plus refining and tweaking various aspects of the game."
(Emphasis in red and mine again).
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Do you see a trend here? Nothing much changed from the original game announcec by Razorwax back in 2001. Nothing can be clearer and more obvious.
So, from 2001 to now 2009, that's 8 years of development. Straight from Claus' mouth.
Oh, you'll also note the "closed beta is fully playable with most core features in".
So, the OP needs protection against his own free will or his inability to judge the pretty much unbiased information mmorpg.com has been giving us considering Darkfall? Poor thing ...
Fully agree with Nileq here.
My brand new bloggity blog.
I'm admitting to not reading this thread in its entirety but I just wanted to say that MMORPG has always been one of the best or the best place for "troll haters" to post their opinions warning others about potential scams and rip-offs and crappy or buggy games in the past.
I've personally saved countless time and money listening to what these "troll haters" have had to say in the past about many games and company's, and got a great deal of entertainment from it.
I personally think the staffs official impartial, objective "hands off", "benefit of the doubt", "innocent until proven guilty" type approach to many dubious games in the past was correct and professional overtime because they allowed the community to discuss the issues and present evidence without passing judgment themselves prematurely before the facts were in.
Not all games are total scams or deliberate rip-offs, many of them are just mismanaged and incompetent or have greedy arrogant people behind them making promises they can't keep and don't really deserve to be removed because that would help them hide their activities.
Its always hard to determine exactly what the truth is until irrefutable evidence is presented, then in my experience this site has always acted, but only when the evidence supported it fully.
I've noticed that the moderation on the Darkfall forum has become slightly more accommodating to the more negative opinions recently after the delays and the announcement of preorders and only limited open beta with NDA before launch, and I think that's another indication that this site has its community's best interests irrespective of their position on the matter at heart.
So in closing and more succinctly, I think the forums should stay until the game is released so that whatever happens, people can get information and read different opinions and make their own decision, removing the game would be counter productive to this sites purpose in my opinion.
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Before: developers loved games and made money.
Now: developers love money and make games.
this statement screams of fanboism, if this company actually releasd it's game in a playable state or even showed people what they had (if anything) this would be a moot point but the fact remains that nothing that has been said or done surrounding this game has instilled any confidence in a skeptical community much larger companies have done much worse.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
Of course, because the whole point of this site is to hype up unfinished games with barren worlds, features turned off and crappy animations, as well as, praise shady development companies and a guy named Tasos.
cause thats what's being done
This game was actually under the radar with all its fans until the WoWers, AoCers, and Warers games didn't work out and decided to take it out on darkfall for some reason. Never could figure that one out. But hey, whatever floats your boat. 
This is still blatant fanboism this game is still as under the radar as can be but let's be honest here up until last week this game was supposed to release this week but we have heard that much is not in the game yet it took them up until the week before release to delay the game again honestly if you had worked on this game for this many years how could you possibly not know sooner than a week ago that it was not ready for release? I actually said as much back in an earlier poll about wether it would release in 08 or not not only could it not but it would be a hard sell to release in jan 09 either but somehow the guys developing it couldn't see as much? I don't think this has anything to do with WoWers.AoCers or Warers (whatever those are)
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
You damn right if Adventurine wants my money now I want to know that an actual game exists is there something wrong with that? Now it would be noe thing if they said you get immediate access to beta with a pre order but that is not the case anyone who knows anything of mmos especialy in the last 2-3 years would be a foold to blindly cough up money for a product they don't even know exists.
Could you imagine if movies released the same way these mmos do?
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
You damn right if Adventurine wants my money now I want to know that an actual game exists is there something wrong with that? Now it would be noe thing if they said you get immediate access to beta with a pre order but that is not the case anyone who knows anything of mmos especialy in the last 2-3 years would be a foold to blindly cough up money for a product they don't even know exists.
Could you imagine if movies released the same way these mmos do?
Movies that haven't been screened for critics (presumably because the reviews will be so bad they'd hinder revenue) are released all the time.
~Ripper
You damn right if Adventurine wants my money now I want to know that an actual game exists is there something wrong with that? Now it would be noe thing if they said you get immediate access to beta with a pre order but that is not the case anyone who knows anything of mmos especialy in the last 2-3 years would be a foold to blindly cough up money for a product they don't even know exists.
Could you imagine if movies released the same way these mmos do?
You could be right if Aventurine had actually asked for money from anyone.
But that's not the case, and an open beta (or stress test, or free trial, call it what you want) is planned to begin the 22nd of januray, before they start to sell pre-order - If you understood from Tasos' post that you needed to pre-order in order to get into the beta, then you should really learn how to read.
If there is no open beta the 22nd, or if there are way too much people tant can't get in, then it will be OK to complain. But until that date, I don't see the point of making posts accusing Aventurine of planning a scam.
You damn right if Adventurine wants my money now I want to know that an actual game exists is there something wrong with that? Now it would be noe thing if they said you get immediate access to beta with a pre order but that is not the case anyone who knows anything of mmos especialy in the last 2-3 years would be a foold to blindly cough up money for a product they don't even know exists.
Could you imagine if movies released the same way these mmos do?
Movies that haven't been screened for critics (presumably because the reviews will be so bad they'd hinder revenue) are released all the time.
~Ripper
A movie might not be reviewed by a critic thats true. However you can bet no film maker would dare try and sell a movie advertised as 120 minutes long that actually only had 30 minutes of footage. Its a guarantee that if a film is distributed to a movie house, its complete as promised.
MMO's are protected from prying eyes unlike any other product. And without a review we as players go in on blind faith. Developers dont care because for some reason there is little legislation to protect us. For all we know, Darkfall is nothing but an empty virtual landscape. Its happened before (Dark and Light)
Look at Age of Conan. Right on the box it says DX10 yet there is no DX10 support in the game. Its a blatant false lie. A yr later it still isnt in the game. Had a car advertised a v6 engine but sold you one with a V4 you could sue the pants off everyone involved.