I find it amusing Tasos is thinking its getting overhyped.
1) He's hyped it himself. If the posted features are there, ship battles, etc etc are in game, then it's going to be one of the MMO's with the most features. He's delibrately marketed it to the hardcore PVP's and sandbox lovers, which there are a signifigent number of.
2) He should know that MMORPGs are big business. The market for a game like this should be a few hundred thousand at least. If he's thinking he can get away with 20-30k to start on one or two servers? He's going to have problems if 200k try to download it on launch day. You simply don't make a MMO for 10k people.
3) No one has been near the game. So no-one can burst the bubble. It also allows the hype to continue. Now with the pontential pre-orders? Alarm bells
4) Download only. At least with boxes you can control who plays. Start with 100k boxes, sell them, then if demand is there sell some more. Can't do that with download.
I'm not going near this game with a bargepole. People will buy it, some swayed by the hype, others just hoping its going to be bearable.
I just disagree with you on how you decide to 'add' a game to the list. There should honestly be more of a threshold. I'm not going to be too accusatory.. but if Tasos takes pre-order money and runs, then MMORPG.COM was an active (because you added the game) part of it. Your site is lending credibility to Darkfall by listing it on MMORPG> games under development and therefore helping Tasos perpetrate the fraud.
Our Game list is a list of available and in-development games and allow us to update our readers with new information when it becomes available (as we have most certainly been doing in the case of Darkfall), review the games and so forth.
That's funny considering.......Dark and Light still listed here?
Edit: Given the nature of the incestuous relationship that the gaming press has with gaming companies, it's entirely possibly that MMORPG is playing the "if you have nothing nice to say..." card. I wouldn't respect that decision, but I suppose I can understand it well enough.
That's just a ludacris thing to say. Have you actually read the editorial content surrounding Darkfall on this site? We're not overly negative, but I wouldn't describe our coverage as positive either. Sicne I'm getting complaints about it from both sides, I'd say it's pretty balanced, no?
Edit: Given the nature of the incestuous relationship that the gaming press has with gaming companies, it's entirely possibly that MMORPG is playing the "if you have nothing nice to say..." card. I wouldn't respect that decision, but I suppose I can understand it well enough.
Jon, I just disagree with you on how you decide to 'add' a game to the list. There should honestly be more of a threshold. I'm not going to be too accusatory.. but if Tasos takes pre-order money and runs, then MMORPG.COM was an active (because you added the game) part of it. Your site is lending credibility to Darkfall by listing it on MMORPG> games under development and therefore helping Tasos perpetrate the fraud.
We add games that meet our criteria. Darkfall met our criteria when they were listed. Do you know what that says about Darkfall as far as us listing it is concerned? That it MET THE CRITERIA. If you ask yourself: How did this game get lsited on MMORPG.com. It's because it mat the listed criteria. Nothing mroe, nothing less.
We're a media source, a source of information. By listing the game, we're telling you that it met our criteria. By posting what the developers said, we're telling you what teh developers said. If you want to read mroe into it, that's entirely your call, but those are the facts of the situation.
Now, let's get onto the WHEN the game was listed... Something like 4 or 5 years ago. At the time, we had no reason to disbelieve anything...
But hey, if it makes you feel better to blame other people, you go right ahead.
Our Game list is a list of available and in-development games and allow us to update our readers with new information when it becomes available (as we have most certainly been doing in the case of Darkfall), review the games and so forth.
That's funny considering.......Dark and Light still listed here?
It even still has its own freakin boards. lol
You cannot play that game anymore. It's gone.
okie dokie, thanks for bringing that to my attention. I'll look into it. To be hoenst, Dark and Light fell off the radar some time ago. I wouldn't be surprised if we missed its closing.
If you guys want to userp control of private business decisions and proprietory information from private companies and hand it to the public at least call what it is: uk.youtube.com/watch
Edit: Given the nature of the incestuous relationship that the gaming press has with gaming companies, it's entirely possibly that MMORPG is playing the "if you have nothing nice to say..." card. I wouldn't respect that decision, but I suppose I can understand it well enough.
That's just a ludacris thing to say.
They turned the rapper into an adjective now?
LOL, yeah yeah, I misspelled that one. I don't often run spell check on forum posts. It's a bad habit.
ludicrous is what Im meant to say for those keeping score at home.
Originally posted by Stradden ....We add games that meet our criteria. Darkfall met our criteria when they were listed. Do you know what that says about Darkfall as far as us listing it is concerned? That it MET THE CRITERIA. If you ask yourself: How did this game get lsited on MMORPG.com. It's because it mat the listed criteria. Nothing mroe, nothing less. We're a media source, a source of information. By listing the game, we're telling you that it met our criteria. By posting what the developers said, we're telling you what teh developers said. If you want to read mroe into it, that's entirely your call, but those are the facts of the situation. Now, let's get onto the WHEN the game was listed... Something like 4 or 5 years ago. At the time, we had no reason to disbelieve anything... But hey, if it makes you feel better to blame other people, you go right ahead.
Okay... but does it meet the criteria?
For example: Can 500 players play on one server?
Yes? Because the Developers said so?
Hey. I have an MMO design where 1000 people can play on a server. :-
6 "screenshots" and I meet your criteria?
Maybe it's time to review the rules?
NOTE: I am not saying you (MMORPG.com I mean) did anything wrong listing the game originally - but I am saying that you certainly have grounds to review it now.
In light of recent developments - maybe you should?
I dont know if mmorpg.com has asked about a sneak peek for Darkfall but with the latest doings, it seems time to demand it. For our sake, after all there have been a few scams in the past few years. mmo players are growing tired of indie developers asking for pre-order money then come launch day the game is 95% unfinished. It would sure be nice if mmorpg.com could step in here and protect the community from a possible scam here with Darkfall. At this point, all we've seen is a graniy edited video from a yr ago. There isnt much proof that this game even exists. And there are beta leaks that suggest the game is empty like Dark and Light was. My suggestion, mmorpg.com contacts Tasos and asks for a beta key to see for themselves if the game exists and delivers on its promises. A review is due us BEFORE we start giving an unproven and unknown developer money for an MMO we dont even know works. If Tasos refuses, pull Darkfall off the mmorpg.com list and post an article warning the community of a potential scam. If Tasos and Adventurine want to be taken seriously they will comply. If the game is just another scam where they grab all the money they can before launch day and then run for the hills, then it should be easy for mmorpg.com to find out in beta scams only hurt the industry. If this is another D&L players are going to be very leary of ever pre-ordering again. Plus it makes other indy devs look bad. Please look into this and confirm the game exists and works or let us know otherwise
Protect us from a scam? That is our job as gamers just as much as its anybody elses. I will tell you how to protect yourself.
Do not buy the game when its first launched. Wait a month or longer and find some feedback and non-bias reveiws. Its that simple.
Demanding a game site to protect their community just wont happen when the game company wont let them. Thats like jhon Doe telling a reporter to come into your house and tell everyone what you have.
Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore) Now Playing: N/A Worst MMO: FFXIV Favorite MMO: FFXI
Originally posted by Stradden ....We add games that meet our criteria. Darkfall met our criteria when they were listed. Do you know what that says about Darkfall as far as us listing it is concerned? That it MET THE CRITERIA. If you ask yourself: How did this game get lsited on MMORPG.com. It's because it mat the listed criteria. Nothing mroe, nothing less. We're a media source, a source of information. By listing the game, we're telling you that it met our criteria. By posting what the developers said, we're telling you what teh developers said. If you want to read mroe into it, that's entirely your call, but those are the facts of the situation. Now, let's get onto the WHEN the game was listed... Something like 4 or 5 years ago. At the time, we had no reason to disbelieve anything... But hey, if it makes you feel better to blame other people, you go right ahead.
Okay... but does it meet the criteria?
For example: Can 500 players play on one server?
Yes? Because the Developers said so?
Hey. I have an MMO design where 1000 people can play on a server. :-
6 "screenshots" and I meet your criteria?
Maybe it's time to review the rules?
NOTE: I am not saying you (MMORPG.com I mean) did anything wrong listing the game originally - but I am saying that you certainly have grounds to review it now.
In light of recent developments - maybe you should?
So by this logic, we couldn't list any game in development until we had played it for ourselves?
Sometimes, we ahve to take a developer's word for it and until something happens to PROVE any wrongdoing, my hands are tied. All I have now is conjecture. I'm not saying there aren't questions to be asked, but I can't remove a game based on the fact that they've occasionally said one thing and done another or general conjecture.If I were to do that in this case, I'd end up having to do that with eveery single upcoming MMO release as I hear comments like this every time. We can't open those floodgates.
The bottom line is that we give you information. What you do with it is entirely up to you.
Jon, I just disagree with you on how you decide to 'add' a game to the list. There should honestly be more of a threshold. I'm not going to be too accusatory.. but if Tasos takes pre-order money and runs, then MMORPG.COM was an active (because you added the game) part of it. Your site is lending credibility to Darkfall by listing it on MMORPG> games under development and therefore helping Tasos perpetrate the fraud.
We add games that meet our criteria. Darkfall met our criteria when they were listed. Do you know what that says about Darkfall as far as us listing it is concerned? That it MET THE CRITERIA. If you ask yourself: How did this game get lsited on MMORPG.com. It's because it mat the listed criteria. Nothing mroe, nothing less.
We're a media source, a source of information. By listing the game, we're telling you that it met our criteria. By posting what the developers said, we're telling you what teh developers said. If you want to read mroe into it, that's entirely your call, but those are the facts of the situation.
Now, let's get onto the WHEN the game was listed... Something like 4 or 5 years ago. At the time, we had no reason to disbelieve anything...
But hey, if it makes you feel better to blame other people, you go right ahead.
haha, definitely not me. I won't be touching this pre-order with a ten foot pole.
I just think because of your background.. you know what is going to happen with Darkfall. And by keeping Darkfall listed as a real game, you are making it much easier for people who don't know much about game development to get suckered into this scam. I would normally say ' a fool and his money are soon parted'.. but in this case, most of the fools are just kids who don't realize what is happening.
I don't think its unreasonable for you to make a more negative editorial right before the pre-orders start if there has been no real 'trial' on the 22nd or if nobody from your site has played the game. I hope you are considering this.
This site has gone down the drain last couple of years. It's filled with people that don't like MMO's that look for an MMO to like and in the proccess troll every game they can think off. Darkfall might be a piece of thrash, unplayable, broken etc. Or it might be a niche game that some will love and most will hate.
Until people have played or tried it , noone will know. So wait , try and then troll. Starting to troll before you even try something is just sad.
...So by this logic, we couldn't list any game in development until we had played it for ourselves? ...
Yes.
That is exactly what I am suggesting.
And all that would be required for that is for an MMORPG.com person to verify a working ALPHA.
Because let's face it - MMORPG ideas are a dime a dozen. I have two myself. One of those now has many pages of actual design notes and my own 'concept art'.
I could generate some 'screenshots' on M$ paint if you like?
Am I missing something? Didn't the recent press release say they were having a free trial on Jan 22, basically what other falsly call an "Open Beta" but really mean a preivew?
There will be a "trial" release a month before the actual release in Feb and they are honest enough to not even attempt to call it some kind of "Test" they called it their release candidate which is far more accurate.
Look the game could be mess. But this whole scam thing doesn't make much sense. This is a fairly small deve house this is how many of the moperate. You people are projecting far too much onto this game because some people want sandbox games to rule them all.
Frankly a lot of larger dev houses have been far less honest with their so called "Beta Tests".
This site has gone down the drain last couple of years. It's filled with people that don't like MMO's that look for an MMO to like and in the proccess troll every game they can think off. Darkfall might be a piece of thrash, unplayable, broken etc. Or it might be a niche game that some will love and most will hate. Until people have played or tried it , noone will know. So wait , try and then troll. Starting to troll before you even try something is just sad.
Yes, but what happens with that attitude is every tom,dick and harry will start pulling DnL type crap and rip people off. There has to be 'trolls' who are demanding of the developers in order to keep the legitimate games seperate from the scam artists. The more companies that make money by scamming players, the more companies will try and do it.
Originally posted by Stradden ....We add games that meet our criteria. Darkfall met our criteria when they were listed. Do you know what that says about Darkfall as far as us listing it is concerned? That it MET THE CRITERIA. If you ask yourself: How did this game get lsited on MMORPG.com. It's because it mat the listed criteria. Nothing mroe, nothing less. We're a media source, a source of information. By listing the game, we're telling you that it met our criteria. By posting what the developers said, we're telling you what teh developers said. If you want to read mroe into it, that's entirely your call, but those are the facts of the situation. Now, let's get onto the WHEN the game was listed... Something like 4 or 5 years ago. At the time, we had no reason to disbelieve anything... But hey, if it makes you feel better to blame other people, you go right ahead.
Okay... but does it meet the criteria?
For example: Can 500 players play on one server?
Yes? Because the Developers said so?
Hey. I have an MMO design where 1000 people can play on a server. :-
6 "screenshots" and I meet your criteria?
Maybe it's time to review the rules?
NOTE: I am not saying you (MMORPG.com I mean) did anything wrong listing the game originally - but I am saying that you certainly have grounds to review it now.
In light of recent developments - maybe you should?
So by this logic, we couldn't list any game in development until we had played it for ourselves?
Sometimes, we ahve to take a developer's word for it and until something happens to PROVE any wrongdoing, my hands are tied. All I have now is conjecture. I'm not saying there aren't questions to be asked, but I can't remove a game based on the fact that they've occasionally said one thing and done another or general conjecture.If I were to do that in this case, I'd end up having to do that with eveery single upcoming MMO release as I hear comments like this every time. We can't open those floodgates.
The bottom line is that we give you information. What you do with it is entirely up to you.
I agree with him it is a reporters job to report the information. I have not seen on MMORPG wher they have called it the best game or a scam. They are just giving you information that they get. Like he said what we do with that information is up to us.
Wheather its a scam or not, thats not MMORPG's decision to call. If you think its a scam dont buy the game, however there a some people out their with more money than brains, that will buy it. Let them get scamed, no skin off our back. That just means once the next scam rolls around that more people will be weary of it.
AoC made alot of us more cautious about buying a game is it MMORPG.com's fault for not warning us? no, they just reported the news that they got from Funcom. If DF is a scam it will just add to the numbers. It is an inevitable process. Sadly the trend semms to be with MMO's you cant learn from others, it has to happen to you.
Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore) Now Playing: N/A Worst MMO: FFXIV Favorite MMO: FFXI
Am I missing something? Didn't the recent press release say they were having a free trial on Jan 22, basically what other falsly call an "Open Beta" but really mean a preivew?
There will be a "trial" release a month before the actual release in Feb and they are honest enough to not even attempt to call it some kind of "Test" they called it their release candidate which is far more accurate.
Look the game could be mess. But this whole scam thing doesn't make much sense. This is a fairly small deve house this is how many of the moperate. You people are projecting far too much onto this game because some people want sandbox games to rule them all.
Frankly a lot of larger dev houses have been far less honest with their so called "Beta Tests".
Does anyone really think there will be a 'trial' on the 22nd? Trust me, there will be no 'real' players in the 'trial'. There will be no player reviews, no videos, no anything. Tasos will say they have x number of players playing, but that is it. Everything will be exactly the way it is now until the pre-orders.
This site has gone down the drain last couple of years. It's filled with people that don't like MMO's that look for an MMO to like and in the proccess troll every game they can think off. Darkfall might be a piece of thrash, unplayable, broken etc. Or it might be a niche game that some will love and most will hate. Until people have played or tried it , noone will know. So wait , try and then troll. Starting to troll before you even try something is just sad.
How is this any different than the fanbois posting how great the game will be?. They haven't played it yet, so why should they be able to cheer the game on if they haven't played it yet; after all, it could be a piece of thrash, unplayable, broken etc. It goes both ways.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion about Darkfall, and there is nothing wrong with being in doubt and posting about it.
P.S. Nothing is wrong with this site; the only people who think there is a problem is those who get offended by others' opinions.
__________________________________________________ In memory of Laura "Taera" Genender. Passed away on Aug/13/08 - Rest In Peace; you will not be forgotten
whats MMORPG.COMS Stance on this ...? is anyone going to respond to what is being suggested?
They will not take a stance on this right now either way. They will only remove it once it has been proven 100% that it is a fradulant company. That has not happened so DF would remain in "Games in Development" Website.
The only game in the history of this site that had been removed was Age of Mourning and that was removed because the developers were threatening the members here with legal action by talking badly about the game.
It was later proven to be a fradulant company.
I wouldn't go that far with Aventurine. Not yet.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
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73,000 posts for this game.... almost 1 million users for this site.
guess a little time and effort on MMORPG would be appreciated.
I find it amusing Tasos is thinking its getting overhyped.
1) He's hyped it himself. If the posted features are there, ship battles, etc etc are in game, then it's going to be one of the MMO's with the most features. He's delibrately marketed it to the hardcore PVP's and sandbox lovers, which there are a signifigent number of.
2) He should know that MMORPGs are big business. The market for a game like this should be a few hundred thousand at least. If he's thinking he can get away with 20-30k to start on one or two servers? He's going to have problems if 200k try to download it on launch day. You simply don't make a MMO for 10k people.
3) No one has been near the game. So no-one can burst the bubble. It also allows the hype to continue. Now with the pontential pre-orders? Alarm bells
4) Download only. At least with boxes you can control who plays. Start with 100k boxes, sell them, then if demand is there sell some more. Can't do that with download.
I'm not going near this game with a bargepole. People will buy it, some swayed by the hype, others just hoping its going to be bearable.
this could so easily be a trainwreck.
Jon,
I just disagree with you on how you decide to 'add' a game to the list. There should honestly be more of a threshold. I'm not going to be too accusatory.. but if Tasos takes pre-order money and runs, then MMORPG.COM was an active (because you added the game) part of it. Your site is lending credibility to Darkfall by listing it on MMORPG> games under development and therefore helping Tasos perpetrate the fraud.
That's funny considering.......Dark and Light still listed here?
It even still has its own freakin boards. lol
You cannot play that game anymore. It's gone.
That's just a ludacris thing to say. Have you actually read the editorial content surrounding Darkfall on this site? We're not overly negative, but I wouldn't describe our coverage as positive either. Sicne I'm getting complaints about it from both sides, I'd say it's pretty balanced, no?
Cheers,
Jon Wood
Managing Editor
MMORPG.com
What exactly is that supposed to mean?
Cheers,
Jon Wood
Managing Editor
MMORPG.com
That's just a ludacris thing to say.
They turned the rapper into an adjective now?
We add games that meet our criteria. Darkfall met our criteria when they were listed. Do you know what that says about Darkfall as far as us listing it is concerned? That it MET THE CRITERIA. If you ask yourself: How did this game get lsited on MMORPG.com. It's because it mat the listed criteria. Nothing mroe, nothing less.
We're a media source, a source of information. By listing the game, we're telling you that it met our criteria. By posting what the developers said, we're telling you what teh developers said. If you want to read mroe into it, that's entirely your call, but those are the facts of the situation.
Now, let's get onto the WHEN the game was listed... Something like 4 or 5 years ago. At the time, we had no reason to disbelieve anything...
But hey, if it makes you feel better to blame other people, you go right ahead.
Cheers,
Jon Wood
Managing Editor
MMORPG.com
That's funny considering.......Dark and Light still listed here?
It even still has its own freakin boards. lol
You cannot play that game anymore. It's gone.
okie dokie, thanks for bringing that to my attention. I'll look into it. To be hoenst, Dark and Light fell off the radar some time ago. I wouldn't be surprised if we missed its closing.
Cheers,
Jon Wood
Managing Editor
MMORPG.com
If you guys want to userp control of private business decisions and proprietory information from private companies and hand it to the public at least call what it is: uk.youtube.com/watch
That's just a ludacris thing to say.
They turned the rapper into an adjective now?
LOL, yeah yeah, I misspelled that one. I don't often run spell check on forum posts. It's a bad habit.
ludicrous is what Im meant to say for those keeping score at home.
Cheers,
Jon Wood
Managing Editor
MMORPG.com
Okay... but does it meet the criteria?
For example: Can 500 players play on one server?
Yes? Because the Developers said so?
Hey. I have an MMO design where 1000 people can play on a server. :-
6 "screenshots" and I meet your criteria?
Maybe it's time to review the rules?
NOTE: I am not saying you (MMORPG.com I mean) did anything wrong listing the game originally - but I am saying that you certainly have grounds to review it now.
In light of recent developments - maybe you should?
Nothing says irony like spelling ideot wrong.
What exactly is that supposed to mean?
It means he doesn't have the testicular fortitude to actually say what he is implying.
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Originally posted by javac
well i'm 35 and have a PhD in science, and then 10 years experience in bioinformatics... you?
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/218865/page/8
Protect us from a scam? That is our job as gamers just as much as its anybody elses. I will tell you how to protect yourself.
Do not buy the game when its first launched. Wait a month or longer and find some feedback and non-bias reveiws. Its that simple.
Demanding a game site to protect their community just wont happen when the game company wont let them. Thats like jhon Doe telling a reporter to come into your house and tell everyone what you have.
Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore)
Now Playing: N/A
Worst MMO: FFXIV
Favorite MMO: FFXI
Okay... but does it meet the criteria?
For example: Can 500 players play on one server?
Yes? Because the Developers said so?
Hey. I have an MMO design where 1000 people can play on a server. :-
6 "screenshots" and I meet your criteria?
Maybe it's time to review the rules?
NOTE: I am not saying you (MMORPG.com I mean) did anything wrong listing the game originally - but I am saying that you certainly have grounds to review it now.
In light of recent developments - maybe you should?
So by this logic, we couldn't list any game in development until we had played it for ourselves?
Sometimes, we ahve to take a developer's word for it and until something happens to PROVE any wrongdoing, my hands are tied. All I have now is conjecture. I'm not saying there aren't questions to be asked, but I can't remove a game based on the fact that they've occasionally said one thing and done another or general conjecture.If I were to do that in this case, I'd end up having to do that with eveery single upcoming MMO release as I hear comments like this every time. We can't open those floodgates.
The bottom line is that we give you information. What you do with it is entirely up to you.
Cheers,
Jon Wood
Managing Editor
MMORPG.com
We add games that meet our criteria. Darkfall met our criteria when they were listed. Do you know what that says about Darkfall as far as us listing it is concerned? That it MET THE CRITERIA. If you ask yourself: How did this game get lsited on MMORPG.com. It's because it mat the listed criteria. Nothing mroe, nothing less.
We're a media source, a source of information. By listing the game, we're telling you that it met our criteria. By posting what the developers said, we're telling you what teh developers said. If you want to read mroe into it, that's entirely your call, but those are the facts of the situation.
Now, let's get onto the WHEN the game was listed... Something like 4 or 5 years ago. At the time, we had no reason to disbelieve anything...
But hey, if it makes you feel better to blame other people, you go right ahead.
haha, definitely not me. I won't be touching this pre-order with a ten foot pole.
I just think because of your background.. you know what is going to happen with Darkfall. And by keeping Darkfall listed as a real game, you are making it much easier for people who don't know much about game development to get suckered into this scam. I would normally say ' a fool and his money are soon parted'.. but in this case, most of the fools are just kids who don't realize what is happening.
I don't think its unreasonable for you to make a more negative editorial right before the pre-orders start if there has been no real 'trial' on the 22nd or if nobody from your site has played the game. I hope you are considering this.
This site has gone down the drain last couple of years. It's filled with people that don't like MMO's that look for an MMO to like and in the proccess troll every game they can think off. Darkfall might be a piece of thrash, unplayable, broken etc. Or it might be a niche game that some will love and most will hate.
Until people have played or tried it , noone will know. So wait , try and then troll. Starting to troll before you even try something is just sad.
Yes.
That is exactly what I am suggesting.
And all that would be required for that is for an MMORPG.com person to verify a working ALPHA.
Because let's face it - MMORPG ideas are a dime a dozen. I have two myself. One of those now has many pages of actual design notes and my own 'concept art'.
I could generate some 'screenshots' on M$ paint if you like?
Yet I don't have a single line of code.
You won't list that will you?
Nothing says irony like spelling ideot wrong.
Am I missing something? Didn't the recent press release say they were having a free trial on Jan 22, basically what other falsly call an "Open Beta" but really mean a preivew?
There will be a "trial" release a month before the actual release in Feb and they are honest enough to not even attempt to call it some kind of "Test" they called it their release candidate which is far more accurate.
Look the game could be mess. But this whole scam thing doesn't make much sense. This is a fairly small deve house this is how many of the moperate. You people are projecting far too much onto this game because some people want sandbox games to rule them all.
Frankly a lot of larger dev houses have been far less honest with their so called "Beta Tests".
Yes, but what happens with that attitude is every tom,dick and harry will start pulling DnL type crap and rip people off. There has to be 'trolls' who are demanding of the developers in order to keep the legitimate games seperate from the scam artists. The more companies that make money by scamming players, the more companies will try and do it.
Okay... but does it meet the criteria?
For example: Can 500 players play on one server?
Yes? Because the Developers said so?
Hey. I have an MMO design where 1000 people can play on a server. :-
6 "screenshots" and I meet your criteria?
Maybe it's time to review the rules?
NOTE: I am not saying you (MMORPG.com I mean) did anything wrong listing the game originally - but I am saying that you certainly have grounds to review it now.
In light of recent developments - maybe you should?
So by this logic, we couldn't list any game in development until we had played it for ourselves?
Sometimes, we ahve to take a developer's word for it and until something happens to PROVE any wrongdoing, my hands are tied. All I have now is conjecture. I'm not saying there aren't questions to be asked, but I can't remove a game based on the fact that they've occasionally said one thing and done another or general conjecture.If I were to do that in this case, I'd end up having to do that with eveery single upcoming MMO release as I hear comments like this every time. We can't open those floodgates.
The bottom line is that we give you information. What you do with it is entirely up to you.
I agree with him it is a reporters job to report the information. I have not seen on MMORPG wher they have called it the best game or a scam. They are just giving you information that they get. Like he said what we do with that information is up to us.
Wheather its a scam or not, thats not MMORPG's decision to call. If you think its a scam dont buy the game, however there a some people out their with more money than brains, that will buy it. Let them get scamed, no skin off our back. That just means once the next scam rolls around that more people will be weary of it.
AoC made alot of us more cautious about buying a game is it MMORPG.com's fault for not warning us? no, they just reported the news that they got from Funcom. If DF is a scam it will just add to the numbers. It is an inevitable process. Sadly the trend semms to be with MMO's you cant learn from others, it has to happen to you.
Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore)
Now Playing: N/A
Worst MMO: FFXIV
Favorite MMO: FFXI
Does anyone really think there will be a 'trial' on the 22nd? Trust me, there will be no 'real' players in the 'trial'. There will be no player reviews, no videos, no anything. Tasos will say they have x number of players playing, but that is it. Everything will be exactly the way it is now until the pre-orders.
How is this any different than the fanbois posting how great the game will be?. They haven't played it yet, so why should they be able to cheer the game on if they haven't played it yet; after all, it could be a piece of thrash, unplayable, broken etc. It goes both ways.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion about Darkfall, and there is nothing wrong with being in doubt and posting about it.
P.S. Nothing is wrong with this site; the only people who think there is a problem is those who get offended by others' opinions.
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They will not take a stance on this right now either way. They will only remove it once it has been proven 100% that it is a fradulant company. That has not happened so DF would remain in "Games in Development" Website.
The only game in the history of this site that had been removed was Age of Mourning and that was removed because the developers were threatening the members here with legal action by talking badly about the game.
It was later proven to be a fradulant company.
I wouldn't go that far with Aventurine. Not yet.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.