I don't care, it's a part of the human body. What is the big deal. { Mod Edit }
So if I gave you the middle finger, you wouldn't care? It's just a part of the human body. What's the big deal, right?
Oh wait, could it be that some things have meanings beyond themselves? The middle finger is a symbol and I doubt you'd like it. Penises are the male sex organ, so it's obviously a symbol for sex, and people take offense to that. Maybe not you, but many people.
Isn't it amazing that there are people who think differently than you in the world?
A penis or vagina is not a symbol for sex, it's not a symbol to be embarresed for.
It's a part of the body, just like your arm, your leg, your head and your torso is.
It does not represent "sex", it does not represent emotions. You make that out of it.
It's just flesh and blood. That's it. Get a grip.
It can be shown in any medical facility and any decent university and no one goes "oooh....a penis"..what the hell is wrong with people.
Oh okay, right. Whatever you say, my point completely missed you because here you are, trying to convince everyone that you're right. Did you even read the last sentence? Yes, people attribute meanings to different things - THAT MAKES THEM SYMBOLS. Do you? No. Does society? Yes. And that means your opinion is like an annoying little bug buzzing around someone's head until you become the majority. Sorry.
I'm sure you loved getting flipped off. It's alright, it's just a middle finger.
The thing is that the meaning people choose to see in things is subjective. That is, its their choice to see those things, and why should I have what I see or hear disrupted because someone else chooses to find something offensive? Getting flipped off? Yeah I'd get upset, when I was twelve. Now I wouldn't think twice. I'm supposed to get upset because someone wags a finger at me? Ridiculous.
Bottom line, you're right, some people do view things in a certain way. However I feel that those people who CHOOSE to invest something meaningless on its own with meaning shouldn't then be able to call the shots as if the subjecmeaning they've chosen to give is actually an objective meaning that everyone should feel the same about. Don't like genitalia? Then its your responsibility to avoid seeing them, it shouldn't be society's responsibility to make sure you don't see any.
As long as it's properly labeled and easy to avoid, then people who don't like it can avoid it. But that would imply that it's wrong to at least some people, and you're right. That's my point. If society starts accepting it as okay and starts shoving it in my face, or incorporating it into almost every form of media, is that right?
Problem with your argument is you're mixing up individuals with society. Its not society that would be shoving it into your face, it would be individuals. Its society's place to say whether those individuals can or not. I prefer society not to. I don't think the bar for whats acceptable should be set by the most sensitive. I consider people who take objects with no meaning in and of themselves and then ascribe meaning and then have strong emotional reactions to the meanings THEY'VE ascribed to be immature or crazy and frank I could care less how these people feel. Unfortunately for me, these type of people are the vase majority.
Alright then. You seem to want it to be acceptable for those individuals, as you corrected me, to shove it in my face or incorporate it into almost every form of media. In which case society would have to make it acceptable, otherwise it wouldn't be accepted. That's what I meant. Yes, you are the minority. I don't care how you feel, either, if that makes you feel any better.
Explain how buying mature game GTA IV then getting the dlc and playing it equals having it shoved in your face?
It's not. That's the point. However, if every game started doing it, if every TV show had some type of sexual content in it, and it was slowly becoming accepted by the society, that would be shoving it in my face. GTA has a rating and frankly I think it's always pushed that rating but it still mentions nudity.
I personally have zero problems with it. However I have a problem with uneducated parents who buy M rated games for their kids. That I have a problem with and know full these are the people who will make useless trouble for everyone else.
Because of this I'd say M rated for boobies, and A rated for penises and vaginas. Please, and make damn sure it's obvious that it's not an A for decorative measures but means ADULT.
Well I for one don't want to see some guys dick in my choice of entertainment.
Especially when the only reason it is there is to bring controversy and free publicity to the game and not to add some kind of artistic integrity or to further the storyline etc.
To defend it is to encourage designers to include controversial content purely for the sake of stirring up the media and not to increase the quality of the game by spending resources on gameplay not propaganda.
If I had could choose to play a game with dicks or without dicks, I would certainly un-tick the dick box under game options.
We're straining the boundries of morality here and the people that came before us made these boundries for a reason, not because they were ignorant, but because they knew that once Pandora's box has been opened it's damn near impossible to close it again.
I would say some people have adapted the notion that this is now -taboo-. A lot of things indicate that people were not so prude about body parts at all in the past.
Michaelangelos statues and painting of Rubens are full of nudity.
The truth that most people avoid is that Man bits are more important than Woman bits.
have you seen Angelina Jolie naked? yes you have. Well if you havent' just google it. Have you seen Brad Pitt's penis? No you have not. At least I dont'; think so, but I do confess I researched Angelina more than Brad, but that's not the point.
The thing is, although we portray women and the weaker sex, actually it's men that are more vulnerable naked.
Originally posted by Waterlily Originally posted by xaldraxius We're straining the boundries of morality here and the people that came before us made these boundries for a reason, not because they were ignorant, but because they knew that once Pandora's box has been opened it's damn near impossible to close it again.
I would say some people have adapted the notion that this is now -taboo-. A lot of things indicate that people were not so prude about body parts at all in the past. Michaelangelos statues and painting of Rubens are full of nudity.
This isn't art, which is veiwed from a mature standpoint, this is a video game which is going to be veiwed in a far less mature fashion. I'm not saying that nudity is offensive, I'm just saying that a video game isn't the place for it.
This isn't art, which is veiwed from a mature standpoint, this is a video game which is going to be veiwed in a far less mature fashion. I'm not saying that nudity is offensive, I'm just saying that a video game isn't the place for it.
Concept art and models for a video games isn't "art"? What is it then according to you?
Because everyone designing for games is either called a concept Artist or a 3D Artist and most went to Art schools.
waking up to an argument about penises...... priceless hahaha rofl-mao!!!
who cares about genitals in a video game. the only ones who should really care is mommy/daddy who are too stupid to research the games junor want and buy him the game only to see him flanting it.. (and making daddy feel small....)
i personally dont go out of my way to see male genitals, but i couldnt careless about it as long as its not being rammed in my face.
full nudity in a game is fine.. claiming the game is a game when its nothing more then a porno.... is not fine.
so as long as the game isnt full on sex shots and crap i dont care if the dude/chick is full naked.
they just have to make sure the game is labed correctly and clearly shows that YES it has nudity and is not ment for miniors. if mommy and daddy are still retardedly moronic to buy it for jr... WELL they are stupid and shouldnt multiply anyway...
I am for 100% nudity. I always find it odd when there is naked women but no naked men, in movies or games.
So sure, bring on the peen.
You know what will really freak people out? Erect peen. I see nude women in R rated movies all the time, but never once have I seen an erect peen in a movie.
It's funny how upset people get about the human body. Get over it people.
The truth that most people avoid is that Man bits are more important than Woman bits. have you seen Angelina Jolie naked? yes you have. Well if you havent' just google it. Have you seen Brad Pitt's penis? No you have not. At least I dont'; think so, but I do confess I researched Angelina more than Brad, but that's not the point. The thing is, although we portray women and the weaker sex, actually it's men that are more vulnerable naked.
Your right Penises are ugly, but its FAT and UGLY women, that are more vunerable naked than your Angelina.
We're straining the boundries of morality here and the people that came before us made these boundries for a reason, not because they were ignorant, but because they knew that once Pandora's box has been opened it's damn near impossible to close it again.
I would say some people have adapted the notion that this is now -taboo-. A lot of things indicate that people were not so prude about body parts at all in the past.
Michaelangelos statues and painting of Rubens are full of nudity.
This isn't art, which is veiwed from a mature standpoint, this is a video game which is going to be veiwed in a far less mature fashion. I'm not saying that nudity is offensive, I'm just saying that a video game isn't the place for it.
And art is accepted by the society. Don't ask why, I don't even know. If one wanted to argue that people are hypocritical in that regard, sure, go ahead.
I'm done arguing this point though, I think I've proven my stance.
And to Ihmotepp, you can find plenty of nude women and men on porn sites. Those aren't hard to find either. Celebrities are a bad example because they have to expose themselves to people, to the society, almost all the time. While I'm sure some people would like to see Brad Pitt naked, he would be slandered and his career would be impacted.
The thing is, although we portray women and the weaker sex, actually it's men that are more vulnerable naked.
A good note, and one that I find odd. Don't be shy about your nethers men. O.o I'm not saying go slut around and show it off to everyone, but I am comfortable in my own skin and have a hard time wrapping my head around penis phobia. I get the impression men think that if they happen to see another boy's parts that instantly makes them gay.... Or they just don't want to see 'that', like it's a big deal.
We're straining the boundries of morality here and the people that came before us made these boundries for a reason, not because they were ignorant, but because they knew that once Pandora's box has been opened it's damn near impossible to close it again.
I would say some people have adapted the notion that this is now -taboo-. A lot of things indicate that people were not so prude about body parts at all in the past.
Michaelangelos statues and painting of Rubens are full of nudity.
This isn't art, which is veiwed from a mature standpoint, this is a video game which is going to be veiwed in a far less mature fashion. I'm not saying that nudity is offensive, I'm just saying that a video game isn't the place for it.
Again, if it is appropriately rated I don't see the issue.
One could also say that nudity doesn't belong in any movies not of a pornographic nature or in a book.
I'm all for game makers putting anything they want in games as long as they make it clear to the buyer what is "inside".
As for kids getting their hands on it, well that's parenting. Now granted the parents can't control everything their child does 24/7 but they can not only refuse to purchas it for their chidren but also try teaching their children about nudity and their views on nudity.
GTA is not a game for kids and in my opinion parents would be nuts to buy it for children. However, teenagers (who are children but much more as they are trying to learn how to be adults) are already going to be trying to find such pictures, male or female as they are curious and learning what being a sexual adult is all about. It's up to the parents to "parent" them and give them the tools so that their children/teenagers can handle this material in an appropriate manner.
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We're straining the boundries of morality here and the people that came before us made these boundries for a reason, not because they were ignorant, but because they knew that once Pandora's box has been opened it's damn near impossible to close it again.
I would say some people have adapted the notion that this is now -taboo-. A lot of things indicate that people were not so prude about body parts at all in the past.
Michaelangelos statues and painting of Rubens are full of nudity.
This isn't art, which is veiwed from a mature standpoint, this is a video game which is going to be veiwed in a far less mature fashion. I'm not saying that nudity is offensive, I'm just saying that a video game isn't the place for it.
And art is accepted by the society. Don't ask why, I don't even know. If one wanted to argue that people are hypocritical in that regard, sure, go ahead.
I'm done arguing this point though, I think I've proven my stance.
And to Ihmotepp, you can find plenty of nude women and men on porn sites. Those aren't hard to find either. Celebrities are a bad example because they have to expose themselves to people, to the society, almost all the time. While I'm sure some people would like to see Brad Pitt naked, he would be slandered and his career would be impacted.
Don't you see the double standard here? Angelina has been nude in movies. How come she's not slandered and her career impacted, but if it was Brad he would be?
This isn't art, which is veiwed from a mature standpoint, this is a video game which is going to be veiwed in a far less mature fashion. I'm not saying that nudity is offensive, I'm just saying that a video game isn't the place for it.
Oh boy, now you stepped in it.
Not art? Go tell that to all the vidoe game artists, I would love to see them kick your ass.
Viewed in a far less mature fashion? Sorry dude I'm 40, I've been looking at nudity for 28 years. I have also spent much time in a nudist camp, where one learns nudity is no big deal, but clothing is truly erotic.
A good note, and one that I find odd. Don't be shy about your nethers men. O.o I'm not saying go slut around and show it off to everyone, but I am comfortable in my own skin and have a hard time wrapping my head around penis phobia. I get the impression men think that if they happen to see another boy's parts that instantly makes them gay.... Or they just don't want to see 'that', like it's a big deal. I don't get it. ^_^;;
In ancient Greece statues were always Naked and men did sports Naked, and wrestled Naked, because it represents their masculinity. Now men should hide their masculinity because some pansies find it offensive?
This isn't art, which is veiwed from a mature standpoint, this is a video game which is going to be veiwed in a far less mature fashion. I'm not saying that nudity is offensive, I'm just saying that a video game isn't the place for it.
Concept art and models for a video games isn't "art"? What is it then according to you? Because everyone designing for games is either called a concept Artist or a 3D Artist and most went to Art schools.
You can spin it however you like, but it's the age of the target audience that makes the difference. You can say that by the M rating that it's supposed to be an adult only game, but we all know that the M rating doesn't stop kids from buying it, in fact it encourages them. I'm old enough to deal with it and if I were sure that it wasn't going to end up in the hands of 12 year olds I wouldn't have a problem with it. Unfortunately I am definately not sure of that. It's not just parents that buy M rated games for their kids, but it's the stores that don't care either. If this meant that suddenly stores would start checkng IDs to sell M rated games then you'd see the sales of games like this plummet. Maybe that's what needs to happen. If these games continue to push the borders like they are then that is exactly what is going to happen, and then who's going to be bitching about how 'prudish' our society is?
GTA is at it again, putting full male frontal nudiity in their game this time.
Do you want to see a big penis in your MMORPG? Or do you just want little anime girls with big swords and a thong? Is this a double standard, or the way it should be?
I've seen the sexy girls in armor in MMO's threads here. What if there were a male penis' in MMO's thread? How would you like that? I"m thinking not so much. Edit: The link above is totally work safe. It's a link to an article by MSNBC. No pictures of big penises.
If game is rated at least 16+, I wouldnt mind as long as its made with some taste. Oh, and an everage size would be just fine.
The thing is, although we portray women and the weaker sex, actually it's men that are more vulnerable naked.
A good note, and one that I find odd. Don't be shy about your nethers men. O.o I'm not saying go slut around and show it off to everyone, but I am comfortable in my own skin and have a hard time wrapping my head around penis phobia. I get the impression men think that if they happen to see another boy's parts that instantly makes them gay.... Or they just don't want to see 'that', like it's a big deal.
I don't get it. ^_^;;
Part of it is just the difference between being girly and being manly.
It's no big deal for girls to hold hands, or get dressed in front of each other and stuff like that (no lesbian connotation here, just being girls being girly).
Don't expect us guys to be comfortable holding each others hands and helping each other get dressed when we're naked. It's not going to happen, unless we are girly men.
Originally posted by GreenChaos Originally posted by xaldraxius
This isn't art, which is veiwed from a mature standpoint, this is a video game which is going to be veiwed in a far less mature fashion. I'm not saying that nudity is offensive, I'm just saying that a video game isn't the place for it.
Oh boy, now you stepped in it. Not art? Go tell that to all the vidoe game artists, I would love to see them kick your ass. Viewed in a far less mature fashion? Sorry dude I'm 40, I've been looking at nudity for 28 years. I have also spent much time in a nudist camp, where one learns nudity is no big deal, but clothing is truly erotic.
LOL... a 40 year old nudist. Yeah, your opinion is going to be in the minority on this one. Clothing is erotic? Only when you've desensitized yourself to nudity so much that it is the absence of it that sparks your imagination.
Seriously, when you are in a nudist camp, and you are are around all sorts of nude people, children, old folk, thin, fat, hot, not hot, nudity becomes not a big deal real fast. But as soon as one of the hot women in the camp start putting clothing on it's time to lay on your stomach, if you know what I'm saying.
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So if I gave you the middle finger, you wouldn't care? It's just a part of the human body. What's the big deal, right?
Oh wait, could it be that some things have meanings beyond themselves? The middle finger is a symbol and I doubt you'd like it. Penises are the male sex organ, so it's obviously a symbol for sex, and people take offense to that. Maybe not you, but many people.
Isn't it amazing that there are people who think differently than you in the world?
A penis or vagina is not a symbol for sex, it's not a symbol to be embarresed for.
It's a part of the body, just like your arm, your leg, your head and your torso is.
It does not represent "sex", it does not represent emotions. You make that out of it.
It's just flesh and blood. That's it. Get a grip.
It can be shown in any medical facility and any decent university and no one goes "oooh....a penis"..what the hell is wrong with people.
Oh okay, right. Whatever you say, my point completely missed you because here you are, trying to convince everyone that you're right. Did you even read the last sentence? Yes, people attribute meanings to different things - THAT MAKES THEM SYMBOLS. Do you? No. Does society? Yes. And that means your opinion is like an annoying little bug buzzing around someone's head until you become the majority. Sorry.
I'm sure you loved getting flipped off. It's alright, it's just a middle finger.
The thing is that the meaning people choose to see in things is subjective. That is, its their choice to see those things, and why should I have what I see or hear disrupted because someone else chooses to find something offensive? Getting flipped off? Yeah I'd get upset, when I was twelve. Now I wouldn't think twice. I'm supposed to get upset because someone wags a finger at me? Ridiculous.
Bottom line, you're right, some people do view things in a certain way. However I feel that those people who CHOOSE to invest something meaningless on its own with meaning shouldn't then be able to call the shots as if the subjecmeaning they've chosen to give is actually an objective meaning that everyone should feel the same about. Don't like genitalia? Then its your responsibility to avoid seeing them, it shouldn't be society's responsibility to make sure you don't see any.
As long as it's properly labeled and easy to avoid, then people who don't like it can avoid it. But that would imply that it's wrong to at least some people, and you're right. That's my point. If society starts accepting it as okay and starts shoving it in my face, or incorporating it into almost every form of media, is that right?
Problem with your argument is you're mixing up individuals with society. Its not society that would be shoving it into your face, it would be individuals. Its society's place to say whether those individuals can or not. I prefer society not to. I don't think the bar for whats acceptable should be set by the most sensitive. I consider people who take objects with no meaning in and of themselves and then ascribe meaning and then have strong emotional reactions to the meanings THEY'VE ascribed to be immature or crazy and frank I could care less how these people feel. Unfortunately for me, these type of people are the vase majority.
Alright then. You seem to want it to be acceptable for those individuals, as you corrected me, to shove it in my face or incorporate it into almost every form of media. In which case society would have to make it acceptable, otherwise it wouldn't be accepted. That's what I meant. Yes, you are the minority. I don't care how you feel, either, if that makes you feel any better.
Explain how buying mature game GTA IV then getting the dlc and playing it equals having it shoved in your face?
It's not. That's the point. However, if every game started doing it, if every TV show had some type of sexual content in it, and it was slowly becoming accepted by the society, that would be shoving it in my face. GTA has a rating and frankly I think it's always pushed that rating but it still mentions nudity.
I personally have zero problems with it. However I have a problem with uneducated parents who buy M rated games for their kids. That I have a problem with and know full these are the people who will make useless trouble for everyone else.
Because of this I'd say M rated for boobies, and A rated for penises and vaginas. Please, and make damn sure it's obvious that it's not an A for decorative measures but means ADULT.
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Well I for one don't want to see some guys dick in my choice of entertainment.
Especially when the only reason it is there is to bring controversy and free publicity to the game and not to add some kind of artistic integrity or to further the storyline etc.
To defend it is to encourage designers to include controversial content purely for the sake of stirring up the media and not to increase the quality of the game by spending resources on gameplay not propaganda.
If I had could choose to play a game with dicks or without dicks, I would certainly un-tick the dick box under game options.
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I would say some people have adapted the notion that this is now -taboo-. A lot of things indicate that people were not so prude about body parts at all in the past.
Michaelangelos statues and painting of Rubens are full of nudity.
i dont give a shit if thers penis shown in game as long as its not penisparade.
The truth that most people avoid is that Man bits are more important than Woman bits.
have you seen Angelina Jolie naked? yes you have. Well if you havent' just google it. Have you seen Brad Pitt's penis? No you have not. At least I dont'; think so, but I do confess I researched Angelina more than Brad, but that's not the point.
The thing is, although we portray women and the weaker sex, actually it's men that are more vulnerable naked.
I would say some people have adapted the notion that this is now -taboo-. A lot of things indicate that people were not so prude about body parts at all in the past.
Michaelangelos statues and painting of Rubens are full of nudity.
This isn't art, which is veiwed from a mature standpoint, this is a video game which is going to be veiwed in a far less mature fashion. I'm not saying that nudity is offensive, I'm just saying that a video game isn't the place for it.
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Concept art and models for a video games isn't "art"? What is it then according to you?
Because everyone designing for games is either called a concept Artist or a 3D Artist and most went to Art schools.
waking up to an argument about penises...... priceless
hahaha rofl-mao!!!
who cares about genitals in a video game. the only ones who should really care is mommy/daddy who are too stupid to research the games junor want and buy him the game only to see him flanting it.. (and making daddy feel small....
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i personally dont go out of my way to see male genitals, but i couldnt careless about it as long as its not being rammed in my face.
full nudity in a game is fine.. claiming the game is a game when its nothing more then a porno.... is not fine.
so as long as the game isnt full on sex shots and crap i dont care if the dude/chick is full naked.
they just have to make sure the game is labed correctly and clearly shows that YES it has nudity and is not ment for miniors. if mommy and daddy are still retardedly moronic to buy it for jr... WELL they are stupid and shouldnt multiply anyway...
I am for 100% nudity. I always find it odd when there is naked women but no naked men, in movies or games.
So sure, bring on the peen.
You know what will really freak people out? Erect peen. I see nude women in R rated movies all the time, but never once have I seen an erect peen in a movie.
It's funny how upset people get about the human body. Get over it people.
Your right Penises are ugly, but its FAT and UGLY women, that are more vunerable naked than your Angelina.
I would say some people have adapted the notion that this is now -taboo-. A lot of things indicate that people were not so prude about body parts at all in the past.
Michaelangelos statues and painting of Rubens are full of nudity.
This isn't art, which is veiwed from a mature standpoint, this is a video game which is going to be veiwed in a far less mature fashion. I'm not saying that nudity is offensive, I'm just saying that a video game isn't the place for it.
And art is accepted by the society. Don't ask why, I don't even know. If one wanted to argue that people are hypocritical in that regard, sure, go ahead.
I'm done arguing this point though, I think I've proven my stance.
And to Ihmotepp, you can find plenty of nude women and men on porn sites. Those aren't hard to find either. Celebrities are a bad example because they have to expose themselves to people, to the society, almost all the time. While I'm sure some people would like to see Brad Pitt naked, he would be slandered and his career would be impacted.
Why not if it fits the context of the video game and the story.
A good note, and one that I find odd. Don't be shy about your nethers men. O.o I'm not saying go slut around and show it off to everyone, but I am comfortable in my own skin and have a hard time wrapping my head around penis phobia. I get the impression men think that if they happen to see another boy's parts that instantly makes them gay.... Or they just don't want to see 'that', like it's a big deal.
I don't get it. ^_^;;
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I would say some people have adapted the notion that this is now -taboo-. A lot of things indicate that people were not so prude about body parts at all in the past.
Michaelangelos statues and painting of Rubens are full of nudity.
This isn't art, which is veiwed from a mature standpoint, this is a video game which is going to be veiwed in a far less mature fashion. I'm not saying that nudity is offensive, I'm just saying that a video game isn't the place for it.
Again, if it is appropriately rated I don't see the issue.
One could also say that nudity doesn't belong in any movies not of a pornographic nature or in a book.
I'm all for game makers putting anything they want in games as long as they make it clear to the buyer what is "inside".
As for kids getting their hands on it, well that's parenting. Now granted the parents can't control everything their child does 24/7 but they can not only refuse to purchas it for their chidren but also try teaching their children about nudity and their views on nudity.
GTA is not a game for kids and in my opinion parents would be nuts to buy it for children. However, teenagers (who are children but much more as they are trying to learn how to be adults) are already going to be trying to find such pictures, male or female as they are curious and learning what being a sexual adult is all about. It's up to the parents to "parent" them and give them the tools so that their children/teenagers can handle this material in an appropriate manner.
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I would say some people have adapted the notion that this is now -taboo-. A lot of things indicate that people were not so prude about body parts at all in the past.
Michaelangelos statues and painting of Rubens are full of nudity.
This isn't art, which is veiwed from a mature standpoint, this is a video game which is going to be veiwed in a far less mature fashion. I'm not saying that nudity is offensive, I'm just saying that a video game isn't the place for it.
And art is accepted by the society. Don't ask why, I don't even know. If one wanted to argue that people are hypocritical in that regard, sure, go ahead.
I'm done arguing this point though, I think I've proven my stance.
And to Ihmotepp, you can find plenty of nude women and men on porn sites. Those aren't hard to find either. Celebrities are a bad example because they have to expose themselves to people, to the society, almost all the time. While I'm sure some people would like to see Brad Pitt naked, he would be slandered and his career would be impacted.
Don't you see the double standard here? Angelina has been nude in movies. How come she's not slandered and her career impacted, but if it was Brad he would be?
Oh boy, now you stepped in it.
Not art? Go tell that to all the vidoe game artists, I would love to see them kick your ass.
Viewed in a far less mature fashion? Sorry dude I'm 40, I've been looking at nudity for 28 years. I have also spent much time in a nudist camp, where one learns nudity is no big deal, but clothing is truly erotic.
In ancient Greece statues were always Naked and men did sports Naked, and wrestled Naked, because it represents their masculinity. Now men should hide their masculinity because some pansies find it offensive?
Men doing sports, fully naked:
How far we have come....
You can spin it however you like, but it's the age of the target audience that makes the difference. You can say that by the M rating that it's supposed to be an adult only game, but we all know that the M rating doesn't stop kids from buying it, in fact it encourages them. I'm old enough to deal with it and if I were sure that it wasn't going to end up in the hands of 12 year olds I wouldn't have a problem with it. Unfortunately I am definately not sure of that. It's not just parents that buy M rated games for their kids, but it's the stores that don't care either. If this meant that suddenly stores would start checkng IDs to sell M rated games then you'd see the sales of games like this plummet. Maybe that's what needs to happen. If these games continue to push the borders like they are then that is exactly what is going to happen, and then who's going to be bitching about how 'prudish' our society is?
If game is rated at least 16+, I wouldnt mind as long as its made with some taste. Oh, and an everage size would be just fine.
Peace,
Saddie
A good note, and one that I find odd. Don't be shy about your nethers men. O.o I'm not saying go slut around and show it off to everyone, but I am comfortable in my own skin and have a hard time wrapping my head around penis phobia. I get the impression men think that if they happen to see another boy's parts that instantly makes them gay.... Or they just don't want to see 'that', like it's a big deal.
I don't get it. ^_^;;
Part of it is just the difference between being girly and being manly.
It's no big deal for girls to hold hands, or get dressed in front of each other and stuff like that (no lesbian connotation here, just being girls being girly).
Don't expect us guys to be comfortable holding each others hands and helping each other get dressed when we're naked. It's not going to happen, unless we are girly men.
Now this needs to be quoted
Oh boy, now you stepped in it.
Not art? Go tell that to all the vidoe game artists, I would love to see them kick your ass.
Viewed in a far less mature fashion? Sorry dude I'm 40, I've been looking at nudity for 28 years. I have also spent much time in a nudist camp, where one learns nudity is no big deal, but clothing is truly erotic.
LOL... a 40 year old nudist. Yeah, your opinion is going to be in the minority on this one. Clothing is erotic? Only when you've desensitized yourself to nudity so much that it is the absence of it that sparks your imagination.
Seriously, when you are in a nudist camp, and you are are around all sorts of nude people, children, old folk, thin, fat, hot, not hot, nudity becomes not a big deal real fast. But as soon as one of the hot women in the camp start putting clothing on it's time to lay on your stomach, if you know what I'm saying.