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How many separate skills, (clicks, button pushes, etc...), would you guess I use in an average Darkfall PVP encounter?
it depends on how ur playing. Are you a a mix of everything (melee/bow/magic)? A pure magician? strait up Melee?
If melee maybe 4-6 abilities. Magic could be more but nothing compared to the amount of abilites someone would use in a normal MMO pvp encounter.
personally people make such a big deal about manual targetting, while im not agianst this targetting in MMOs ( i feel TCoS pull it off well) DF seems a bit simplistic.
Also I would of never attacked you guys if you didnt start all this by saying normal MMO combat takes no skill (which is false).
I, like pretty much everyone else, play as a hybrid of melee/archery/magic.
So, a guess?
probably about 10 skills (not movements like blocking, strafe, dodge).
But of course maybe your a macroer and have a crap ton of skills maxxed, DF is a sandbox good sir, if ur a melee, range and magic character I will bet you any amount of money that if i took any Ranger, warrior and Mage counted up all the spells they have you would have less then 5% of the skills they have.
Ill use WoW as an example since as a sandbox fan I love attacking this game lol. A warrior, mage and hunter have about 75-100 spells/abilities(added together) and buffs im sure you have no more then 10-20 even as all three archtypes within one character.
LOL, no I do not macro and I use 7 or 8 skills just with melee, (I use S&B for defense and a Polearm for Offense and not counting mounted combat), so guess again.
I played WOW for a few years, (Tankadin and SP), though adding the classes together is a fun exercise, what does that have to do with the reality of actual skills used in a normal engagement?
I can tell you that I use more skills during combat in Darkfall currently, (I am not extremely high skilled, as the toon has only been played since launch, of course), then I ever needed to use on either my Paly or my Priest, playing WOW, (not to mention the fact that I have do deal with issues like friendly fire and manual aiming).
This is the reality whether you believe it or not.
I'm sorry buddy but if you use more abilities in DF than you did with a damn paladin in WoW you really didn't know how to play.
My pally had like 4 action bars full of shit and most of that was useful in pvp combat.
Anyway I kind of said my peace Im basically just trying to convince some haters that normal mmo combat takes skill and practice to some degree. while most DF players keep saying DF takes more due to manual targetting which is complete bullshit.
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Like I said, it is the reality. Whether you believe it or not is not really my problem.
Good job everybody........................
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LOL! you expected a thread as shallow as this to stay on topic?
We did a service to frog we made the thread interesting lol.
Playing: EvE, Ryzom
It will get back "on track" tomorrow if Sgt Frog posta about his experienses : )
being as you are all hiding in here for some reason, the shop will be open tomorrow for anyone who gives a damn. Did not say how long for...maybe forever!
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How many separate skills, (clicks, button pushes, etc...), would you guess I use in an average Darkfall PVP encounter?
it depends on how ur playing. Are you a a mix of everything (melee/bow/magic)? A pure magician? strait up Melee?
If melee maybe 4-6 abilities. Magic could be more but nothing compared to the amount of abilites someone would use in a normal MMO pvp encounter.
personally people make such a big deal about manual targetting, while im not agianst this targetting in MMOs ( i feel TCoS pull it off well) DF seems a bit simplistic.
Also I would of never attacked you guys if you didnt start all this by saying normal MMO combat takes no skill (which is false).
I, like pretty much everyone else, play as a hybrid of melee/archery/magic.
So, a guess?
And I thought one of the big bragging parts about DF was that the 'skill system' would allow much more diverse characters. It's basically what I predicted based on my UO experience. Even though you have a open skill system, everyone will end up the same. In UO, there was a 6 month period where everyone who pvp'd was a hally-mage.
In DF, the same thing happened. Everyone has magery, up to the point where you can no longer unattend macro without using regeants....
The only diversity is that newbs use their real armor, and the people who know the game run around naked pvping with their newbie weapon.
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I found combat and group combat in Darkfall to be extremely remedial, like the very first Mike Tyson Punchout or Mortal Combat. Actual combat consist of nothing more than RMB and swinging your wepon, with a few (I had them macroed) duck-swings or defensive macros.
As an example, Vanguard has more moves, attacks and defenses. Vanguard's combat is way more complex, specially when grouped. Chronicles of Spellborn has massive amounts of attacks, moves and abilities to choose from as you build your character. The option presented to me after 4 weeks of Darkfall were minimal.
If you find combat in Darkfall difficult or complex, it's because of the GUI and not because of using them as a tactic. I really cannot understand anyone suggesting that Darkfall's combat is complex.. unless it was your fist video game or something!
Best term I have heard to describe Darkfall was it's the Fisher Price of MMORPGs.
Your description of your experience leads me to believe that you have not actually skilled a character to any great extent, or that you had unnecessarily limited your options while engaging in combat in Darkfall.
The GUI is irrelevant. It is no hinderance to the performance of said combat.
I currently use a combination based on what I described in the quoted post. As I said, combat can actually be fairly complex, especially when engaging a skilled opponent.
So forgive me if I disagree with your assessment, based on my own experience.
(BTW, I have played both the games you mentioned as well. CotS, for 2 months from EU release and Vanguard for about 6 months last year.)
Bro... stop and listen to yourself!
Just go in and count how many attacks you have on YOUR character! Don't use me as a crutch for your illogical banter. Use yourself and then come and let us know how deep Darkfall is... lol.
Darkfall's combat is mindless activity. It's fun, but please don't suggest that Darkfall's combat is complex... that just makes you look like an idiot!
I fail to see your logic or reasoning.. btw, what game has auto-targeting?
Placing a curser on someone and clicking RMB is no diffrently than having to face someone and hotbar an attack.
Of coarse we understand your point, you played a themepark MMo once and now wish to place all MMORPGs under the same combat mechanic. Though, thats because you have a character flaw and are inept and like to troll..! Somehow RMB to attack is hardcore, where using #1-4 is crazy?
Too bad one of the biggest flaws in DFo is that it doesn't have a hotbar.
Yes, because playing hard to get with a product, and making it difficult for a customer to gain a copy of a game is a great marketing technique!.
/Sarcasm off
The things In red are all FPS movements very easily done.
In yellow are abilities, gratz you have a couple.
In orange is mounted combat something that i actually find interesting about DF, thanks for the info but it still doesnt change the fact that DF is basically a FPS with Orks and very few abilities.
News flash every MMO is easy to get into and harder to master even romper room MMOs like WoW.
In purple you attack WAR? I guess you saw that it was my secondary MMO? yes I agree its as deep as a puddle there's a reason I play it around 2-3 hours a week (Scenarios are a guilty pleasure of mine). I did notice you didnt have the balls to attack eve though?
Anyway like I said I would rather tons of abilities that I need to use to counter my foes then just FPS targetting and a handful of skills. If you take away the targetting what do you have? a simple basci feature combat engine.
knockback and powerstrike are also abilities.
Im going to sell you a dream.
Sergeant has account,
But game does not please him much,
Quitting will be quick.
Of course. He have said he does not like PvP games. It would be as trying Battlefield when you know you dont like FPS! Im just glad he does atleast try it. That deserves some respect : )
Your description of your experience leads me to believe that you have not actually skilled a character to any great extent, or that you had unnecessarily limited your options while engaging in combat in Darkfall.
The GUI is irrelevant. It is no hinderance to the performance of said combat.
I currently use a combination based on what I described in the quoted post. As I said, combat can actually be fairly complex, especially when engaging a skilled opponent.
So forgive me if I disagree with your assessment, based on my own experience.
(BTW, I have played both the games you mentioned as well. CotS, for 2 months from EU release and Vanguard for about 6 months last year.)
Bro... stop and listen to yourself!
Just go in and count how many attacks you have on YOUR character! Don't use me as a crutch for your illogical banter. Use yourself and then come and let us know how deep Darkfall is... lol.
Darkfall's combat is mindless activity. It's fun, but please don't suggest that Darkfall's combat is complex... that just makes you look like an idiot!
I simply disagree with your stated position.
I think that it is, in fact, bunk.
Of course. He have said he does not like PvP games. It would be as trying Battlefield when you know you dont like FPS! Im just glad he does atleast try it. That deserves some respect : )
Daarco silly,
Still posting utter crap in
The Darkfall forums.
Of course. He have said he does not like PvP games. It would be as trying Battlefield when you know you dont like FPS! Im just glad he does atleast try it. That deserves some respect : )
Daarco silly,
Still posting utter crap in
The Darkfall forums.
I still dont belive he will like the gameplay. If you have changed your mind thats is ok : )
As a more seasoned player let me give u some tips
By seasoned player he means that he is in complete denial of this trashed game. So he's going to help you create this fake reality so you don't have to be sad about wasting $50 on the game
Crappy gameplay
Is not what was referred,
Instead foolishness.
This is great, frog hasn't even re posted his findings yet, however the fanbois sure did dick up the thread before he was able to.
We don't give a fuck what you think, we know what you think, people would like to read what the fuck frog thinks.
Shut the fuck up. Is my suggestion.
Thanks!
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How are you?" -Me
Well said zymurgeist!
The game of DarkFall itself is not the major problem (as there are definitely some who are enjoying it).
Aventurine and Tasos in particular, on the other hand...
Would have been interesting to see how DarkFall would have faired in the hands of some competent developers and publisher. Oh well... perhaps after Aventurine sells it, we may finally see how it was supposed to be.
Your description of your experience leads me to believe that you have not actually skilled a character to any great extent, or that you had unnecessarily limited your options while engaging in combat in Darkfall.
The GUI is irrelevant. It is no hinderance to the performance of said combat.
I currently use a combination based on what I described in the quoted post. As I said, combat can actually be fairly complex, especially when engaging a skilled opponent.
So forgive me if I disagree with your assessment, based on my own experience.
(BTW, I have played both the games you mentioned as well. CotS, for 2 months from EU release and Vanguard for about 6 months last year.)
Bro... stop and listen to yourself!
Just go in and count how many attacks you have on YOUR character! Don't use me as a crutch for your illogical banter. Use yourself and then come and let us know how deep Darkfall is... lol.
Darkfall's combat is mindless activity. It's fun, but please don't suggest that Darkfall's combat is complex... that just makes you look like an idiot!
I simply disagree with your stated position.
I think that it is, in fact, bunk.
Expected...^^ *rolls eyes*
I've noticed you do not like to take a point and debate each angle of it. instead you'll move on to more horse shit bs. (lol). Though, the fact remeains that Darkfall abilities and skills are less after 6 weeks of playing, than a lvl 11 Everquest Warrior/monk/ranger...
No veriety within the combat, no complexity within the attacks. Heck, even a lvl 10 player in Chronicles of Spellborn has significantly more attacks than a 6 week character in Darkfall. Why..? Because Aventurine lied to YOU about their skill tree and then placed no value on any abilities.
So, go on thinking DFo's combat is complex... we'll keep laughing at your lack of gaming experience !!
Bunk = ignorance
Your description of your experience leads me to believe that you have not actually skilled a character to any great extent, or that you had unnecessarily limited your options while engaging in combat in Darkfall.
The GUI is irrelevant. It is no hinderance to the performance of said combat.
I currently use a combination based on what I described in the quoted post. As I said, combat can actually be fairly complex, especially when engaging a skilled opponent.
So forgive me if I disagree with your assessment, based on my own experience.
(BTW, I have played both the games you mentioned as well. CotS, for 2 months from EU release and Vanguard for about 6 months last year.)
Bro... stop and listen to yourself!
Just go in and count how many attacks you have on YOUR character! Don't use me as a crutch for your illogical banter. Use yourself and then come and let us know how deep Darkfall is... lol.
Darkfall's combat is mindless activity. It's fun, but please don't suggest that Darkfall's combat is complex... that just makes you look like an idiot!
I simply disagree with your stated position.
I think that it is, in fact, bunk.
Expected...^^ *rolls eyes*
I've noticed you do not like to take a point and debate each angle of it. instead you'll move on to more horse shit bs. (lol). Though, the fact remeains that Darkfall abilities and skills are less after 6 weeks of playing, than a lvl 11 Everquest Warrior/monk/ranger...
No veriety within the combat, no complexity within the attacks. Heck, even a lvl 10 player in Chronicles of Spellborn has significantly more attacks than a 6 week character in Darkfall. Why..? Because Aventurine lied to YOU about their skill tree and then placed no value on any abilities.
So, go on thinking DFo's combat is complex... we'll keep laughing at your lack of gaming experience !!
Bunk = ignorance
actually I do consider it more complex I don't have to press tab to 'target' a player and don't have to click on a certain skill to use that attack, it's fast paced, tactical, and you always have to watch your back which makes the gameplay exciting
it's like in eve, before I was perma-banned i'd get an adrenaline rush and feel my heart beating, same thing with DF
keep hating on the game cause you either suck at it or you can't get an account, im going to keep enjoying it with thousands of other people. This game is for the hardcore and not for carebears.
Excellent, another it s for the hardcore not carebears post. Running around naked=stupid design not hardcore. I can t beleive people consider this game anything but a FPS with more then 64 people but to each their own. I was over at a friends the other day who is still playing, well now he plays maybe a day a week, but it s still as boring as when i was in beta. Only difference is now is it s in supposed release state.
What this guy said x10.
I didn't even read all this shit, I know what it all says, it is the same 5 guys from every DF post ever made on MMORPG.
I scanned through looking for a frog avatar, I didn't see one, so I kept going, Came to Mrbloodworth, cause I actually think his post are funny and I usually agree with what he says.
I agree on this post to.
Guess I will keep scanning for a frog avatar. Until I see one this entire thread is bullshit as far as I am concerned.
To be honest i really do not want and rpg style combat system with a 1000 skills in df. Even one like spellborns. I like minimalistic combat systems like Mount Blade and savege 2. I think they are what works bests for df.
Sadly df tries and fails at even this minimalistic one.
For melee you need at least these basics
Block (check)
Charge (is suppose to be sprint but instead now turns into monkey run run)
Strike (has it)
They do have the basic other skills like
Power attack
Knockback
Whirlwind
and cleave
Again half of these are useless due to sprinting issue. If they fix sprint they have a working melee system that takes skill.
Keep in mind also these can be creatively mixed with magic which is where aventurine put their buffs defuffs snares ect. ect.
Also many of the weapons also have different arcs, speeds and ranges. If they fix sprint they also allow these to be played with much better. Adding another layer of skill.
Another feature i would enjoy seeing is something ripped off from aion. Where if you walk back you get a hire parry percentage, if you strafe side to side less damage is taken and if you strike while moving forward you do more damage.
Another neat feature which could be implemented is combo strikes. This could be done with hot keys, but i think it would be better to do it like this (i think savage 2 does it like that)
Strike one does 10 damage 2 does 12 and 3 does 18. If any of these strikes are blocked or miss then the series starts all over again.
Your description of your experience leads me to believe that you have not actually skilled a character to any great extent, or that you had unnecessarily limited your options while engaging in combat in Darkfall.
The GUI is irrelevant. It is no hinderance to the performance of said combat.
I currently use a combination based on what I described in the quoted post. As I said, combat can actually be fairly complex, especially when engaging a skilled opponent.
So forgive me if I disagree with your assessment, based on my own experience.
(BTW, I have played both the games you mentioned as well. CotS, for 2 months from EU release and Vanguard for about 6 months last year.)
Bro... stop and listen to yourself!
Just go in and count how many attacks you have on YOUR character! Don't use me as a crutch for your illogical banter. Use yourself and then come and let us know how deep Darkfall is... lol.
Darkfall's combat is mindless activity. It's fun, but please don't suggest that Darkfall's combat is complex... that just makes you look like an idiot!
I simply disagree with your stated position.
I think that it is, in fact, bunk.
Expected...^^ *rolls eyes*
I've noticed you do not like to take a point and debate each angle of it. instead you'll move on to more horse shit bs. (lol). Though, the fact remeains that Darkfall abilities and skills are less after 6 weeks of playing, than a lvl 11 Everquest Warrior/monk/ranger...
No veriety within the combat, no complexity within the attacks. Heck, even a lvl 10 player in Chronicles of Spellborn has significantly more attacks than a 6 week character in Darkfall. Why..? Because Aventurine lied to YOU about their skill tree and then placed no value on any abilities.
So, go on thinking DFo's combat is complex... we'll keep laughing at your lack of gaming experience !!
Bunk = ignorance
You are simply wrong. No need to debate any angle as, from my perspective, you have no idea what you are talking about.
As such, it would be nothing but a waste of my time.