Well one thing I never noticed early on... but did later, was how much work went into the various armors for the game.
I didn't know that each piece was modeled onto every character independently... so that they shifted and bounced realistically with every character movement, as if they actually had weight and momentum. In other games, the armors were just stiff skin variations... and it became very noticeable. The animations were also very well done, which led to an overall really nice look, even if it wasn't that cutting edge.
Well cutting edge is fine for single player games, but MMO's are supposed to be accessible, if you tried to make an MMO on the cutting edge only a tiny portion of people who can spend thousands of dollars on the super hardcore comps would be able to play, and some of them don't even play mmo's and that severely limits such a games market share.
From what I have seen on my scouting of various sources, this looks very much like the FFXI-2 we all expected rapture to be. From the brief gameplay the battle system looks different though. Although we can't see a UI, the galka is much closer, and the moves are much more 'flowing'. It's hard to describe, but the actions look like a more real-time battle. Of course, this may be a cutscene. Also, if anybody could tell me what made FFXI special, I would greatly appreciate it. I can't figure out why no game feels the same as FFXI. Is it the graphics, the grind or the UI. Whatever, something makes it very different from anything else, and I'm wondering if changes made for XIV, assuming that much is based from XI will alter this experience?
Any ideas? Oh yeah- and what do you want from the UI? Ec
Well of course what makes a game special for one person to the next is totally based upon them. The few years I spent in it and now compared to my time in various other games I would say the sense of accomplishment. I left FFXI because it felt like a job but at the same time that was part of the appeal because I had to put work in to gain anything. I get the feeling that everything is handed to me in certain games today. Yeah you grind to accomplish them but for some reason it doesn't really feel like it because after comparing it to the work I put in with FFXI its laughable. Just gaining levels made you feel accomplished.
This is what I strongly believe as well. My bet is that FF14 will be to FF11 what Aion is to Lineage 2. So while not the same world they will share strong links and similarities while playing quite differently. Most grownups that used to love FFXI in it's heyday want to actually play a game and not grind to eventually play the game some months later.
It won't be the same kind of progression as FFXI, I'd advise to forget that dream. Instead of having time fillers just maybe we'll get content hopefully in some form we've yet to see from anyone.
But it's all speculation.
Is this truely your bet or is this what you want FFXIV to be? I honestly have no clue where they will take FFXIV no one does outside of SE. So far every posts seems to be more about what players want dressed up in the form of a prediction.
Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore) Now Playing: N/A Worst MMO: FFXIV Favorite MMO: FFXI
This is what I strongly believe as well. My bet is that FF14 will be to FF11 what Aion is to Lineage 2. So while not the same world they will share strong links and similarities while playing quite differently. Most grownups that used to love FFXI in it's heyday want to actually play a game and not grind to eventually play the game some months later.
It won't be the same kind of progression as FFXI, I'd advise to forget that dream. Instead of having time fillers just maybe we'll get content hopefully in some form we've yet to see from anyone.
But it's all speculation.
Is this truely your bet or is this what you want FFXIV to be?
Modern.
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"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
Well cutting edge is fine for single player games, but MMO's are supposed to be accessible, if you tried to make an MMO on the cutting edge only a tiny portion of people who can spend thousands of dollars on the super hardcore comps would be able to play, and some of them don't even play mmo's and that severely limits such a games market share.
and thats why its on ps3 aswell, to let people play who cant pay thousands for a great pc.
No forum actiivity on one mmo site doesn't prove anything. For one FF11 has over the years cut a lot of its old-school grinding and forced grouping, and its likely that this trend will continue. Secondly, there are a lot of Final Fantasy fans out there who tried FF11 and where dissapointed with its outdated graphics engine and its archaic forced grouping and asian grinding, many of whom still love the franchise and hope that the new game will have learned from its mistake and be a lot more modern. Aside from that, there where basically only two major MMO's announced on E3, SW:ToR and FFXIV. It's logical that both games will have a lot of excitement. Just as the excitement over SW:ToR doesn't necisarrily prove that players want a modern SF MMO, excitement over FFXIV doesn't prove players want an "old school" MMO. I think FFXIV will do well, especially in the east, with Japan as one of its major markets. The improved graphics, the grown MMO market and hopefully SE's valuable lessons in game design might also mean it will do better then XI. But at the end of the day how well it will do will depend on the gameplay. The proof after all, is in the pudding.
Have you played the single player Final Fantasies, the early ones? There was a lot of randomly walking about killing monsters to level up. I loved those games. : D
Well cutting edge is fine for single player games, but MMO's are supposed to be accessible, if you tried to make an MMO on the cutting edge only a tiny portion of people who can spend thousands of dollars on the super hardcore comps would be able to play, and some of them don't even play mmo's and that severely limits such a games market share.
and thats why its on ps3 aswell, to let people play who cant pay thousands for a great pc.
Don't want a Ps3 don't want to spend thousands of dollars on a computer, my point was that MMO's are probably never going to be 'cutting edge', the fact that it's on Ps3 only says to me that they are using the highest end of console technology so that ff14 won't be as 'downgraded as ff11' as soneone said in another thread on the terms that PC users of the time had to contend with the pc graphics of a game made for a console.
I wasn't attacking the hardcore of computer users, as matter of fact I admire such people. I was simply defending SE from being mildly put down for appealing to the more common users.
I wanted a oldschool final fantasy... SINGLE PLAYER game. This is the game I would play when somebody melted my face in a MMORPG and now they are even taking my escape away from me!
Originally posted by Shiva_Shadow I wasn't attacking the hardcore of computer users, as matter of fact I admire such people. I was simply defending SE from being mildly put down for appealing to the more common users.
Eh? I wasn't putting SE down even mildly. I loved how FFXI looked, even by today's standards... the animation quality is still top notch. It was more of a reference to MMO's that push the system but still don't look all that great. Like EQ2 at launch.
And... damn... can't watch video while at work. I got the IGN liveblog up and refreshing every 2 minutes tho.
I wanted a oldschool final fantasy... SINGLE PLAYER game. This is the game I would play when somebody melted my face in a MMORPG and now they are even taking my escape away from me!
Well there is also Final Fantasy XIII coming out, as for old school final fantasy, vimm.net has roms and emulators, sadly, I think the old school days are gone except in the minds of we who remember those games fondly.
I wanted a oldschool final fantasy... SINGLE PLAYER game. This is the game I would play when somebody melted my face in a MMORPG and now they are even taking my escape away from me!
uh, just play the other one, that ws also anounced.....
---------- "Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
I think players are excited because its Final Fantasy. Having said that, are players sure that this is going to be an mmo? Because it says its online. But that doesn't mean that it will be an mmo.
Well, it's been known for a while that SE's had a new MMORPG in the works, and they've confirmed this... It was known as "Project Rapture". There's no indication that this will be anything but a MMO.
They've stated thus far that they intend to keep all the things people loved about FFXI but change the things they players didn't like. Also keep in mind, FFXI's official title is "Final Fantasy XI Online" as well.
In all there's no reason to believe it won't be a MMO.
As for what changes they'll make to bring it more "up to date"... I just hope that doesn't translate into fast/easy grind to end-game and then endless raiding.
Love it or hate it, for all its warts and bruises, SE's support and expansion of FFXI has rewarded them with a consistent ~500k player base. New MMOs would love to have those numbers only months out the gate. That FFXI maintains those numbers after 7 years says a lot.
Another thing to keep in mind is that, where other MMOs have taken an established franchise and shoe-horned it into the "traditional" MMO format, Square took Final Fantasy and crafted a game based on their own vision of how a FF MMO should be presented. For this reason, when you get past the superficial elements (leveling, etc) common to all MMOs, FFXI really stands apart as very different from the norm.
I, for one, am *really* hoping they continue that trend with XIV. One of the reasons I love FFXI (and I know many others have expressed the same) is that FFXI is so unlike other MMOs in so many ways, both subtle and substantial. It really is a Final Fantasy game put online... all the focus on story-telling (frequently very moving), character development, plot-twists, awesome cinematics and cut-scenes, depth and, yes, focus on group tactics is there.
Where other developers have followed the herd in making their MMOs more and more simple and soloable where community is almost an afterthought, SE have remained focused like a laser on community through events, the importance of group tactics in much of the game's content, having all countries playing on the same servers with an autotranslator to allow people to "speak" to people in English, Japanese, German and French.
While other MMOs add another 10 character levels with matching content to grind with each expansion, SE stopped FFXI at 75 with their first expansion (Zilart) and have since added new content laterally, providing new content for all players - not only those at "end-game". FFXI has always been about the journey.
All in all... SE knows what their players like and I think (or at least hope) they'll tap into those elements with this new one, making it, perhaps, a bit "friendlier" to newer players without sacrificing the depth or all the unique twists they're known for. They're not afraid to try new things or to implement new features in ways people wouldn't expect. It's to the point that I realized a long time ago that however I or most people believe they'll implement a given feature, chances are it'll be nothing like that.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
I wanted a oldschool final fantasy... SINGLE PLAYER game. This is the game I would play when somebody melted my face in a MMORPG and now they are even taking my escape away from me!
uh, just play the other one, that ws also anounced.....
A MMO final fantasy is not a final fantasy its a infinite fantasy. I play final fantasy to go from start of game to the END not to a infinite end. If Final Fantasy XI had a ending, I would have played it.
I really wonder why people keep saying Final Fantasy XI has "Asian grinding".
Has none of you ever played Everquest? Heavy grinding has been a part of mmorpg for a long, long time. Final Fantasy XI was designed to be like Everquest at the time.
It's a grind in FFXI, cause the majority of mobs you would fight from 1-75 were incredibly inbalanced, resulting in a game of leveling off entirely of crabs, bats and beetles.
Hmm... that doesn't sound like my play experience...
In my leveling, I've fought crabs, bats, beetles. goblins, mandragoras, lizards, gigas, wights, imps, crawlers, damselflies, pugils, different birds, Quadavs, Yagudo, Orcs, Antican, saplings, tigers, weird mushroom things, weapons, demons, magic pots, golems, goobues, leeches, malboros, cardians, bees, wasps, skeletons, ghouls, flying eyes, various rabbits, worms, bombs, tonberries, wyverns... and a number of other things I'm sure I'm forgetting.
Sounds like you got ripped-off.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
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Well one thing I never noticed early on... but did later, was how much work went into the various armors for the game.
I didn't know that each piece was modeled onto every character independently... so that they shifted and bounced realistically with every character movement, as if they actually had weight and momentum. In other games, the armors were just stiff skin variations... and it became very noticeable. The animations were also very well done, which led to an overall really nice look, even if it wasn't that cutting edge.
Well cutting edge is fine for single player games, but MMO's are supposed to be accessible, if you tried to make an MMO on the cutting edge only a tiny portion of people who can spend thousands of dollars on the super hardcore comps would be able to play, and some of them don't even play mmo's and that severely limits such a games market share.
Well of course what makes a game special for one person to the next is totally based upon them. The few years I spent in it and now compared to my time in various other games I would say the sense of accomplishment. I left FFXI because it felt like a job but at the same time that was part of the appeal because I had to put work in to gain anything. I get the feeling that everything is handed to me in certain games today. Yeah you grind to accomplish them but for some reason it doesn't really feel like it because after comparing it to the work I put in with FFXI its laughable. Just gaining levels made you feel accomplished.
This is what I strongly believe as well. My bet is that FF14 will be to FF11 what Aion is to Lineage 2. So while not the same world they will share strong links and similarities while playing quite differently. Most grownups that used to love FFXI in it's heyday want to actually play a game and not grind to eventually play the game some months later.
It won't be the same kind of progression as FFXI, I'd advise to forget that dream. Instead of having time fillers just maybe we'll get content hopefully in some form we've yet to see from anyone.
But it's all speculation.
Is this truely your bet or is this what you want FFXIV to be? I honestly have no clue where they will take FFXIV no one does outside of SE. So far every posts seems to be more about what players want dressed up in the form of a prediction.
Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore)
Now Playing: N/A
Worst MMO: FFXIV
Favorite MMO: FFXI
This is what I strongly believe as well. My bet is that FF14 will be to FF11 what Aion is to Lineage 2. So while not the same world they will share strong links and similarities while playing quite differently. Most grownups that used to love FFXI in it's heyday want to actually play a game and not grind to eventually play the game some months later.
It won't be the same kind of progression as FFXI, I'd advise to forget that dream. Instead of having time fillers just maybe we'll get content hopefully in some form we've yet to see from anyone.
But it's all speculation.
Is this truely your bet or is this what you want FFXIV to be?
Modern.
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"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
and thats why its on ps3 aswell, to let people play who cant pay thousands for a great pc.
Hopefully we find out alot more from the SE press conf. in a few short minutes, Hers the link to it:
http://e3.g4tv.com//e32009/pressconference/
Maybe we will find out if this is going to be a 'carebear cakewalk" mmo, or a "grinders Timesink"
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Now Playing: N/A
Worst MMO: FFXIV
Favorite MMO: FFXI
Have you played the single player Final Fantasies, the early ones? There was a lot of randomly walking about killing monsters to level up. I loved those games. : D
and thats why its on ps3 aswell, to let people play who cant pay thousands for a great pc.
Don't want a Ps3 don't want to spend thousands of dollars on a computer, my point was that MMO's are probably never going to be 'cutting edge', the fact that it's on Ps3 only says to me that they are using the highest end of console technology so that ff14 won't be as 'downgraded as ff11' as soneone said in another thread on the terms that PC users of the time had to contend with the pc graphics of a game made for a console.
I wasn't attacking the hardcore of computer users, as matter of fact I admire such people. I was simply defending SE from being mildly put down for appealing to the more common users.
I wanted a oldschool final fantasy... SINGLE PLAYER game. This is the game I would play when somebody melted my face in a MMORPG and now they are even taking my escape away from me!
Eh? I wasn't putting SE down even mildly. I loved how FFXI looked, even by today's standards... the animation quality is still top notch. It was more of a reference to MMO's that push the system but still don't look all that great. Like EQ2 at launch.
And... damn... can't watch video while at work. I got the IGN liveblog up and refreshing every 2 minutes tho.
Well there is also Final Fantasy XIII coming out, as for old school final fantasy, vimm.net has roms and emulators, sadly, I think the old school days are gone except in the minds of we who remember those games fondly.
uh, just play the other one, that ws also anounced.....
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
Well, it's been known for a while that SE's had a new MMORPG in the works, and they've confirmed this... It was known as "Project Rapture". There's no indication that this will be anything but a MMO.
They've stated thus far that they intend to keep all the things people loved about FFXI but change the things they players didn't like. Also keep in mind, FFXI's official title is "Final Fantasy XI Online" as well.
In all there's no reason to believe it won't be a MMO.
As for what changes they'll make to bring it more "up to date"... I just hope that doesn't translate into fast/easy grind to end-game and then endless raiding.
Love it or hate it, for all its warts and bruises, SE's support and expansion of FFXI has rewarded them with a consistent ~500k player base. New MMOs would love to have those numbers only months out the gate. That FFXI maintains those numbers after 7 years says a lot.
Another thing to keep in mind is that, where other MMOs have taken an established franchise and shoe-horned it into the "traditional" MMO format, Square took Final Fantasy and crafted a game based on their own vision of how a FF MMO should be presented. For this reason, when you get past the superficial elements (leveling, etc) common to all MMOs, FFXI really stands apart as very different from the norm.
I, for one, am *really* hoping they continue that trend with XIV. One of the reasons I love FFXI (and I know many others have expressed the same) is that FFXI is so unlike other MMOs in so many ways, both subtle and substantial. It really is a Final Fantasy game put online... all the focus on story-telling (frequently very moving), character development, plot-twists, awesome cinematics and cut-scenes, depth and, yes, focus on group tactics is there.
Where other developers have followed the herd in making their MMOs more and more simple and soloable where community is almost an afterthought, SE have remained focused like a laser on community through events, the importance of group tactics in much of the game's content, having all countries playing on the same servers with an autotranslator to allow people to "speak" to people in English, Japanese, German and French.
While other MMOs add another 10 character levels with matching content to grind with each expansion, SE stopped FFXI at 75 with their first expansion (Zilart) and have since added new content laterally, providing new content for all players - not only those at "end-game". FFXI has always been about the journey.
All in all... SE knows what their players like and I think (or at least hope) they'll tap into those elements with this new one, making it, perhaps, a bit "friendlier" to newer players without sacrificing the depth or all the unique twists they're known for. They're not afraid to try new things or to implement new features in ways people wouldn't expect. It's to the point that I realized a long time ago that however I or most people believe they'll implement a given feature, chances are it'll be nothing like that.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
GAA I can't watch vids at work eather...!!
Whats going on? what are they saying? will they give dewm a early beta?!!
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uh, just play the other one, that ws also anounced.....
A MMO final fantasy is not a final fantasy its a infinite fantasy. I play final fantasy to go from start of game to the END not to a infinite end. If Final Fantasy XI had a ending, I would have played it.
Its not a video, SE isnt allowing any cameras in, Its only a live blog.
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Favorite MMO: FFXI
Its not a video, SE isnt allowing any cameras in, Its only a live blog.
<checks up Toddze sleeves> That was a cool trick you two said that at the same time. ^^
Can I have a link to the blog?
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Holy crap...I'm giddy like a school girl
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It's a grind in FFXI, cause the majority of mobs you would fight from 1-75 were incredibly inbalanced, resulting in a game of leveling off entirely of crabs, bats and beetles.
Hmm... that doesn't sound like my play experience...
In my leveling, I've fought crabs, bats, beetles. goblins, mandragoras, lizards, gigas, wights, imps, crawlers, damselflies, pugils, different birds, Quadavs, Yagudo, Orcs, Antican, saplings, tigers, weird mushroom things, weapons, demons, magic pots, golems, goobues, leeches, malboros, cardians, bees, wasps, skeletons, ghouls, flying eyes, various rabbits, worms, bombs, tonberries, wyverns... and a number of other things I'm sure I'm forgetting.
Sounds like you got ripped-off.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
OH!! 12:01 SUCH A GOOOD QUESTION!!
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Aimed towards the casual player............................................. well a lot of air got let out of my sail.
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Worst MMO: FFXIV
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