I dont see the issue here, Tasos even posts a clarification:
Clarification: American players wanting to clone and transfer their characters do not have to buy another client. Everyone else needs to buy the American Darkfall client to play on the American server. The European rights and the American rights to Darkfall do not belong to the same company, therefore you cannot freely transfer between the two territories, as is the case with most MMORPGs. Our offer of character cloning / transfer to American players is because we had said that we would try to accommodate them should they want to start playing on the European server.
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Thats how any other company would handle that... nuf said.
"Darkfall will be charging North American customers twice"??? Umm.. ok.. really there must be something wrong with your skills about understanding plain written text. It very clearly says that you can play your old character in american server after the transfer progress is done, but if you want to roll new character to play american server at launch you must get new american copy for it. Otherwise its not bad news at all, major expansion update (erm, what ever that's going to be) is on the way and new members only forums sounds cool. Hehe, i still love that nerdrage what's going on today.. People whine for news over and over and when it comes they go freaking nuts..Every time Tasos opens his mouth somethings explodes.. lol priceless.
He's got a better understanding of it then you.
You have to PAY either to play at launch, or to transfer.
You have to buy a new copy to play at launch.
You have to pay a cloning fee in 3 months without the purchase of a new client. The cloning fee isn't announced, and it will have restrictions.
I'll bet money that they cloning fee will be based on the number of people that buy a new NA client. Depending how many or fee pay for a new client will impact the cost of the cloning fee.
The restrictions could be anything from not being able to take your name, gear, coin, or even stats.
Regardless,
In the end you are paying to play on the NA server if you already baught the client.
They should have told us that at launch; not invited us to play on the EU server with no information what-so-ever.
Nothing in the following statement even hints at being charged to play on the NA server. It doesn't hint at there not being a charge, but they could have thrown in a simple line stating that there may be some sort of a fee. It's a bunch of BS.
Players in North America are welcome to participate in the European Launch. The plans for US servers aren’t finalized at the time of this announcement. We will offer the option for character migration to US servers for N. American players who wish to use it. We have had people playing without problem from all over the US and Canada. That being said, our servers are located in Germany and distance does affect ping-time.
I dont see the issue here, Tasos even posts a clarification:
Clarification: American players wanting to clone and transfer their characters do not have to buy another client. Everyone else needs to buy the American Darkfall client to play on the American server. The European rights and the American rights to Darkfall do not belong to the same company, therefore you cannot freely transfer between the two territories, as is the case with most MMORPGs. Our offer of character cloning / transfer to American players is because we had said that we would try to accommodate them should they want to start playing on the European server.
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Thats how any other company would handle that... nuf said.
The yellow is the problem. Coupled with the fact that the transfer of existing characters will be a PAID service, we have a fucking problem.
MANY NA players like myself, who bought the game months ago, are giving AV the finger and quitting. I'm not fucking buying the game TWICE, and I'm not fucking paying for a transfer three months down the road and being stuck playing with a 170 ping during what will be off-hours in the mean time (plus further paying $15 per month for that duration).
AV can suck it. They screwed the pooch. They have lied and cheated, and I don't give companies like that my money. It's a shame...DF has CRAZY potential, and to see it wasted like this is almost as bad as the NGE bomb that got dropped on SWG.
I stopped playing Darkfall after the first month. I couldn't keep up with the hacker and botter lol. And now, Aventurine pull off mroe crap then SOE does lol. Mortal Online better not fail like DFO did.
This is normal when there are different publishers. It's just like WAR with GOA vs. EA. That's actually good news - it's the way it's supposed to be and is with other games.
I've been saying this was going to happen--in numerous posts--ever since GNi announced the North American Server. Most players glossed over this possibility as they were simply more concerned about transfers, wipes, etc...
We still don't know anything about the North American publisher. IMO, Aventurine has handled both the original announcement (only give after GNi spilled the beans) and this announcement horribly. Tasos should say who the North American publisher is and justify the additional charge rather that just bluntly state that there will be a new cost for the North American client. The manner in which he's handled the announcements is tremendously bad and will only server to hurt Aventurine and Darkfall.
This is normal when there are different publishers. It's just like WAR with GOA vs. EA. That's actually good news - it's the way it's supposed to be and is with other games. I've been saying this was going to happen--in numerous posts--ever since GNi announced the North American Server. Most players glossed over this possibility as they were simply more concerned about transfers, wipes, etc... We still don't know anything about the North American publisher. IMO, Aventurine has handled both the original announcement (only give after GNi spilled the beans) and this announcement horribly. Tasos should say who the North American publisher is and justify the additional charge rather that just bluntly state that there will be a new cost for the North American client. The manner in which he's handled the announcements is tremendously bad and will only server to hurt Aventurine and Darkfall.
What a mess... ~Ripper
Av didn't charge EU players for the client.
They aren't charging for an NA account. They are charging for a client.
I didn't buy the client. The client was free. I purchased an account along with everyone else.
Now they are charging for the same client they've been distributing freely for 4 months.
Only people who want to play on the NA server have to buy the client.
He didn't say anything about an account in todays update. He said client.
That's why I'm a little pissed.
I thought Av was self publishing? I thought Audio visual was thier account services and billing.
Why do you need a publisher when everything is done using torrents?
I really do think Av has been bullshitting people.
I dont see the issue here, Tasos even posts a clarification:
Our offer of character cloning / transfer to American players is because we had said that we would try to accommodate them should they want to start playing on the European server.
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Thats how any other company would handle that... nuf said.
haha. I used to be a DF supporter until the little lack of features began to pile up into one huge mess and now being strong-armed into purchasing a second client.
Tasos never, ever, never said anything remotely familiar to what you posted. Tasos said that character transfers would be offered. He never mentioned or even remotely hinted at the need to purchase a new client. He used his spin speach to hide the fact that without the initial North American purchases and subscriptions, this company, Aventurine, and this game would not have survived as long as it did; thats my feeling.
Now you know that the North American player-base were reeled-in as unsuspecting participants in a weird experiment whereby you were all recruited as investors in this experiment. Little did you know that you weren't willing participants in a bait and switch.
You have to buy a new client, the same one you already paid $50 for again. Dont think for a moment that you're getting out of paying for that new client if you just want to transfer your character...lol...your gonna get a transfer fee that is equivalent to purchasing a new client. And if you think otherwise, that's some awefully strong koolaid.
I dont see the issue here, Tasos even posts a clarification:
Our offer of character cloning / transfer to American players is because we had said that we would try to accommodate them should they want to start playing on the European server.
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Thats how any other company would handle that... nuf said.
haha. I used to be a DF supporter until the little lack of features began to pile up into one huge mess and now being strong-armed into purchasing a second client.
Tasos never, ever, never said anything remotely familiar to what you posted. Tasos said that character transfers would be offered. He never mentioned or even remotely hinted at the need to purchase a new client. He used his spin speach to hide the fact that without the initial North American purchases and subscriptions, this company, Aventurine, and this game would not have survived as long as it did; thats my feeling.
Now you know that the North American player-base were reeled-in as unsuspecting participants in a weird experiment whereby you were all recruited as investors in this experiment. Little did you know that you weren't willing participants in a bait and switch.
You have to buy a new client, the same one you already paid $50 for again. Dont think for a moment that you're getting out of paying for that new client if you just want to transfer your character...lol...your gonna get a transfer fee that is equivalent to purchasing a new client. And if you think otherwise, that's some awefully strong koolaid.
You didn't purchase a client.
The client was free.
You purchased an account.
Now they are requiring NA users who wish to play on the NA account at launch to purchase the client they've been distributing freely for 4 months.
I dont see the issue here, Tasos even posts a clarification:
Our offer of character cloning / transfer to American players is because we had said that we would try to accommodate them should they want to start playing on the European server.
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Thats how any other company would handle that... nuf said.
haha. I used to be a DF supporter until the little lack of features began to pile up into one huge mess and now being strong-armed into purchasing a second client.
Tasos never, ever, never said anything remotely familiar to what you posted. Tasos said that character transfers would be offered. He never mentioned or even remotely hinted at the need to purchase a new client. He used his spin speach to hide the fact that without the initial North American purchases and subscriptions, this company, Aventurine, and this game would not have survived as long as it did; thats my feeling.
Now you know that the North American player-base were reeled-in as unsuspecting participants in a weird experiment whereby you were all recruited as investors in this experiment. Little did you know that you weren't willing participants in a bait and switch.
You have to buy a new client, the same one you already paid $50 for again. Dont think for a moment that you're getting out of paying for that new client if you just want to transfer your character...lol...your gonna get a transfer fee that is equivalent to purchasing a new client. And if you think otherwise, that's some awefully strong koolaid.
You didn't purchase a client.
The client was free.
You purchased an account.
Now they are requiring NA users who wish to play on the NA account at launch to purchase the client they've been distributing freely for 4 months.
Again...the spin keeps coming. Keep playing your Semantics game. We purchased an account with a client...the same client that is going to be used and can be patched to access the NA server.
So the fact remains, NA players are purchasing the same game account with the same client.
I dont see the issue here, Tasos even posts a clarification:
Our offer of character cloning / transfer to American players is because we had said that we would try to accommodate them should they want to start playing on the European server.
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Thats how any other company would handle that... nuf said.
haha. I used to be a DF supporter until the little lack of features began to pile up into one huge mess and now being strong-armed into purchasing a second client.
Tasos never, ever, never said anything remotely familiar to what you posted. Tasos said that character transfers would be offered. He never mentioned or even remotely hinted at the need to purchase a new client. He used his spin speach to hide the fact that without the initial North American purchases and subscriptions, this company, Aventurine, and this game would not have survived as long as it did; thats my feeling.
Now you know that the North American player-base were reeled-in as unsuspecting participants in a weird experiment whereby you were all recruited as investors in this experiment. Little did you know that you weren't willing participants in a bait and switch.
You have to buy a new client, the same one you already paid $50 for again. Dont think for a moment that you're getting out of paying for that new client if you just want to transfer your character...lol...your gonna get a transfer fee that is equivalent to purchasing a new client. And if you think otherwise, that's some awefully strong koolaid.
You didn't purchase a client.
The client was free.
You purchased an account.
Now they are requiring NA users who wish to play on the NA account at launch to purchase the client they've been distributing freely for 4 months.
You’re grasping at straws. The client is the same as the account for all intensive circumstances. You got a free month, then were charged for the client/account. Now you have to pay again for NA-1, either by paying up front for NA-1 Launch or paying over three months with an additional transfer fee with restrictions. Either way it’s the same. I’m less concerned by the money cost as I am the principle.
I used to defend AV from all you, the MMORPG community. Fuck was I ever wrong. /cancel To top it off: I was wrong, you guys were right.
rofl
Really. Look at some of my past supportive DF messages. Honestly, I couldnt think that Tasos and his crack team of developers could screw this game up any more or screw-over the community any more than they had. But damn was I wrong!
(i so want to insert the biggest rofl laughing icon here, but dont know how)
I dont see the issue here, Tasos even posts a clarification:
Our offer of character cloning / transfer to American players is because we had said that we would try to accommodate them should they want to start playing on the European server.
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Thats how any other company would handle that... nuf said.
haha. I used to be a DF supporter until the little lack of features began to pile up into one huge mess and now being strong-armed into purchasing a second client.
Tasos never, ever, never said anything remotely familiar to what you posted. Tasos said that character transfers would be offered. He never mentioned or even remotely hinted at the need to purchase a new client. He used his spin speach to hide the fact that without the initial North American purchases and subscriptions, this company, Aventurine, and this game would not have survived as long as it did; thats my feeling.
Now you know that the North American player-base were reeled-in as unsuspecting participants in a weird experiment whereby you were all recruited as investors in this experiment. Little did you know that you weren't willing participants in a bait and switch.
You have to buy a new client, the same one you already paid $50 for again. Dont think for a moment that you're getting out of paying for that new client if you just want to transfer your character...lol...your gonna get a transfer fee that is equivalent to purchasing a new client. And if you think otherwise, that's some awefully strong koolaid.
You didn't purchase a client.
The client was free.
You purchased an account.
Now they are requiring NA users who wish to play on the NA account at launch to purchase the client they've been distributing freely for 4 months.
You’re grasping at straws. The client is the same as the account for all intensive circumstances. You got a free month, then were charged for the client/account. Now you have to pay again for NA-1, either by paying up front for NA-1 Launch or paying over three months with an additional transfer fee with restrictions. Either way it’s the same. I’m less concerned by the money cost as I am the principle.
Let me clarify.
Tasos should be kicked in the nuts for 4 months straight for what he's doing.
However,
That doesn't change the fact that
Everyone playing DFO right now never purchased a client. The client was free. I downloaded the client 2 weeks before I got my account. You didn't need an account to get the client. We payed for an ACCOUNT.
NOW
Av is charing people for the CLIENT.
"In the meanwhile if you want to play on the American server at launch you need to buy the American Darkfall client"
Yes,
That includes your account.
My problem is
I ALREADY PAID FOR AN ACCOUNT AND GOT THE CLIENT FOR FREE. EU players don't have to pay for a client now. They only paid for an account, the same one I paid for. NA players have to buy the client to play on the NA server at launch.
I'm not grasping at anything.
I'm pointing out what a lot of people seem to missing.
It's not an American account you have to buy, it's an American client.
Do you really think the American client is any dif. then the EU one? No, it's not.
It's bullshit.
Edit: I want to clarify this a little more.
Not long ago a president was set in the way that MMO are distributed. A lot of companies stopped charging for the client because of a court case Blizzard won against a company that distributed a hack.
When you load the client the first thing you have to to is except the ToS/ EULA. NOW, when you agree to it, you agree to a LIMITTED LISENCE AGREEMENT. See, I had a problem with this when Blizz won thier case cause I didn't purchase a LIMITTED liecense agreement when I baught WoW, I baught a game, a game that now I don't actually own. If I buy a single player game, I onw that game, not so for an MMO now-a-days. You can't really charge for software when you also charge for a limitted license agreement.
I didn't buy software from Av. I purchased, esentially, a limitted lisence agreement.
No where is one of the limitations of that lisencing agreement stated that that I may only acces the content of the world from a EU server. I never purchased an account that was limitted to where I may access it. Because of that, I don't feel that Av has a right to limit the use of my agreement.
This is a classic and disappointing Aventurine move for those that might have carried over to the North American server.
Not only do those that want to play on a NA server have to re-purchase the client for $50, for those that rather wait 3 months for a character transfer, are going to be hit with a transfer fee that, I bet the farm, will be no different than had that player purchased a new client.
This is rich.
Tansfer fee is going to be less. If not, then people will just quit and AV can't afford people just quittng in mass like that. You people are soo funny
Originally posted by xpiher Tansfer fee is going to be less. If not, then people will just quit and AV can't afford people just quittng in mass like that. You people are soo funny
This stupid change suggests that this company thinks otherwise.
This is a classic and disappointing Aventurine move for those that might have carried over to the North American server.
Not only do those that want to play on a NA server have to re-purchase the client for $50, for those that rather wait 3 months for a character transfer, are going to be hit with a transfer fee that, I bet the farm, will be no different than had that player purchased a new client.
This is rich.
Tansfer fee is going to be less. If not, then people will just quit and AV can't afford people just quittng in mass like that. You people are soo funny
take a look at the o-boards. that's exactly what's happening. AV is fucked.
I dont see the issue here, Tasos even posts a clarification:
Our offer of character cloning / transfer to American players is because we had said that we would try to accommodate them should they want to start playing on the European server.
__________________
Thats how any other company would handle that... nuf said.
haha. I used to be a DF supporter until the little lack of features began to pile up into one huge mess and now being strong-armed into purchasing a second client.
Tasos never, ever, never said anything remotely familiar to what you posted. Tasos said that character transfers would be offered. He never mentioned or even remotely hinted at the need to purchase a new client. He used his spin speach to hide the fact that without the initial North American purchases and subscriptions, this company, Aventurine, and this game would not have survived as long as it did; thats my feeling.
Now you know that the North American player-base were reeled-in as unsuspecting participants in a weird experiment whereby you were all recruited as investors in this experiment. Little did you know that you weren't willing participants in a bait and switch.
You have to buy a new client, the same one you already paid $50 for again. Dont think for a moment that you're getting out of paying for that new client if you just want to transfer your character...lol...your gonna get a transfer fee that is equivalent to purchasing a new client. And if you think otherwise, that's some awefully strong koolaid.
You didn't purchase a client.
The client was free.
You purchased an account.
Now they are requiring NA users who wish to play on the NA account at launch to purchase the client they've been distributing freely for 4 months.
Phrase it any way you want the fact still remains people believed they would be able to play on all servers withthe purchase of a single account, as the FAQ stated they would, were misled. Still waiting for the other shoe to drop though. Anyone care to bet if you transfer your character to NA-1 you will no longer be able to play on EU-1?
No one who has followed Darkfall could have ever fully believed anything they ever posted except perhaps their most blind fanbois.
They need the money, its as simple as that. As for paying for server transfers, most games do it unless its to alleviate server over/under crowding, which is a problem DF certainly doesn't have to worry about.
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This is normal when there are different publishers. It's just like WAR with GOA vs. EA. That's actually good news - it's the way it's supposed to be and is with other games. I've been saying this was going to happen--in numerous posts--ever since GNi announced the North American Server. Most players glossed over this possibility as they were simply more concerned about transfers, wipes, etc... We still don't know anything about the North American publisher. IMO, Aventurine has handled both the original announcement (only give after GNi spilled the beans) and this announcement horribly. Tasos should say who the North American publisher is and justify the additional charge rather that just bluntly state that there will be a new cost for the North American client. The manner in which he's handled the announcements is tremendously bad and will only server to hurt Aventurine and Darkfall.
What a mess... ~Ripper
Av didn't charge EU players for the client.
They aren't charging for an NA account. They are charging for a client.
I didn't buy the client. The client was free. I purchased an account along with everyone else.
Now they are charging for the same client they've been distributing freely for 4 months.
Only people who want to play on the NA server have to buy the client.
He didn't say anything about an account in todays update. He said client.
That's why I'm a little pissed.
I thought Av was self publishing? I thought Audio visual was thier account services and billing.
Why do you need a publisher when everything is done using torrents?
I really do think Av has been bullshitting people.
It's just poorly worded on Tasos' part. You didn't pay for an account. I had both the client and an account, but wasn't able to play until I subscribed. We both bought licenses to use the client and login with our accounts. You're not going to buy the NA client, regardless what Tasos said. You're going to buy a license to use it.
Aventurine didn't self publish Darkfall. AudioVisual is their European publisher, but they don't have experience publishing games and don't seem to have performed any of the traditional publishing activities (funding development, doing marketing, managing retail box and virtual sales, etc...). Just like Aventurine, they're amateurs. The only thing they appear to have done is create and manage the abysmal account managment/billing system.
Originally posted by xpiher Tansfer fee is going to be less. If not, then people will just quit and AV can't afford people just quittng in mass like that. You people are soo funny
This stupid change suggests that this company thinks otherwise.
To play on the NA server AV has to give the NA pubisher money for publishing the game. That fee is normally $15 (box cost + rights/lisences cost + profit cost). Transfers probably will be $10. Anyone that thinks it will be $50 is an idiot
This is a classic and disappointing Aventurine move for those that might have carried over to the North American server.
Not only do those that want to play on a NA server have to re-purchase the client for $50, for those that rather wait 3 months for a character transfer, are going to be hit with a transfer fee that, I bet the farm, will be no different than had that player purchased a new client.
This is rich.
Tansfer fee is going to be less. If not, then people will just quit and AV can't afford people just quittng in mass like that. You people are soo funny
take a look at the o-boards. that's exactly what's happening. AV is fucked.
Yup, I agree. They screwed the pooch big-time with this one.
As an aside I had a bit of a chuckle at this post from ForumFall poking a bit of fun at xpiher...
This is normal when there are different publishers. It's just like WAR with GOA vs. EA. That's actually good news - it's the way it's supposed to be and is with other games. I've been saying this was going to happen--in numerous posts--ever since GNi announced the North American Server. Most players glossed over this possibility as they were simply more concerned about transfers, wipes, etc... We still don't know anything about the North American publisher. IMO, Aventurine has handled both the original announcement (only give after GNi spilled the beans) and this announcement horribly. Tasos should say who the North American publisher is and justify the additional charge rather that just bluntly state that there will be a new cost for the North American client. The manner in which he's handled the announcements is tremendously bad and will only server to hurt Aventurine and Darkfall.
What a mess... ~Ripper
Av didn't charge EU players for the client.
They aren't charging for an NA account. They are charging for a client.
I didn't buy the client. The client was free. I purchased an account along with everyone else.
Now they are charging for the same client they've been distributing freely for 4 months.
Only people who want to play on the NA server have to buy the client.
He didn't say anything about an account in todays update. He said client.
That's why I'm a little pissed.
I thought Av was self publishing? I thought Audio visual was thier account services and billing.
Why do you need a publisher when everything is done using torrents?
I really do think Av has been bullshitting people.
It's just poorly worded on Tasos' part. You didn't pay for an account. I had both the client and an account, but wasn't able to play until I subscribed. We both bought licenses to use the client and login with our accounts. You're not going to buy the NA client, regardless what Tasos said. You're going to buy a license to use it.
Aventurine didn't self publish Darkfall. AudioVisual is their European publisher, but they don't have experience publishing games and don't seem to have performed any of the traditional publishing activities (funding development, doing marketing, managing retail box and virtual sales, etc...). Just like Aventurine, they're amateurs. The only thing they appear to have done is create and manage the abysmal account managment/billing system.
~Ripper
See,
That's what confused me.
Audio Visual doesn't actually operate in the context of a traditional publisher, they really just handle billing.
I'm honestly not even sure about that. Whenever there was a billing issue Tasos would post in a tone that made is seem as if Av was dealing with whatever problem arouse.
They would do the same thing with the server Q's, and they don't even touch the servers.
I really feel like most of what Tasos says really is a bunch of BS. Kind of like he makes up things to justify whateve is happening at the time. Kind of like charging for a new client because of a dif. publisher; yet no ones been anounced as a new publisher. Hell, GNi announced the NA server a month ago, you know they had a publisher in place by then.
I dont' think there is a NA publisher. I think it's BS.
If one is announced I'll bet anything it's a company no ones ever heard of.
Edit: To clarify. I believe the accounts management page is handled by Av. The only thing I think Audio Visual is doing is procesing billing information. You don't need a publisher to do that.
This is a classic and disappointing Aventurine move for those that might have carried over to the North American server.
Not only do those that want to play on a NA server have to re-purchase the client for $50, for those that rather wait 3 months for a character transfer, are going to be hit with a transfer fee that, I bet the farm, will be no different than had that player purchased a new client.
This is rich.
Tansfer fee is going to be less. If not, then people will just quit and AV can't afford people just quittng in mass like that. You people are soo funny
take a look at the o-boards. that's exactly what's happening. AV is fucked.
Yup, I agree. They screwed the pooch big-time with this one.
As an aside I had a bit of a chuckle at this post from ForumFall poking a bit of fun at xpiher...
Originally posted by xpiher Tansfer fee is going to be less. If not, then people will just quit and AV can't afford people just quittng in mass like that. You people are soo funny
This stupid change suggests that this company thinks otherwise.
To play on the NA server AV has to give the NA pubisher money for publishing the game. That fee is normally $15 (box cost + rights/lisences cost + profit cost). Transfers probably will be $10. Anyone that thinks it will be $50 is an idiot
IN YOUR OPINION!
Do you know what the transfer fee will be? NO!
Do you know what he restrictions will be? NO!
Please stop acting like you KNOW what you are talking about... you DON'T.
The majority on ForumFall are tired of your incorrect information, and it won't fly any better over here.
This is a classic and disappointing Aventurine move for those that might have carried over to the North American server.
Not only do those that want to play on a NA server have to re-purchase the client for $50, for those that rather wait 3 months for a character transfer, are going to be hit with a transfer fee that, I bet the farm, will be no different than had that player purchased a new client.
This is rich.
Tansfer fee is going to be less. If not, then people will just quit and AV can't afford people just quittng in mass like that. You people are soo funny
take a look at the o-boards. that's exactly what's happening. AV is fucked.
Yup, I agree. They screwed the pooch big-time with this one.
As an aside I had a bit of a chuckle at this post from ForumFall poking a bit of fun at xpiher...
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I dont see the issue here, Tasos even posts a clarification:
Clarification: American players wanting to clone and transfer their characters do not have to buy another client. Everyone else needs to buy the American Darkfall client to play on the American server. The European rights and the American rights to Darkfall do not belong to the same company, therefore you cannot freely transfer between the two territories, as is the case with most MMORPGs. Our offer of character cloning / transfer to American players is because we had said that we would try to accommodate them should they want to start playing on the European server.
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Thats how any other company would handle that... nuf said.
He's got a better understanding of it then you.
You have to PAY either to play at launch, or to transfer.
You have to buy a new copy to play at launch.
You have to pay a cloning fee in 3 months without the purchase of a new client. The cloning fee isn't announced, and it will have restrictions.
I'll bet money that they cloning fee will be based on the number of people that buy a new NA client. Depending how many or fee pay for a new client will impact the cost of the cloning fee.
The restrictions could be anything from not being able to take your name, gear, coin, or even stats.
Regardless,
In the end you are paying to play on the NA server if you already baught the client.
They should have told us that at launch; not invited us to play on the EU server with no information what-so-ever.
Nothing in the following statement even hints at being charged to play on the NA server. It doesn't hint at there not being a charge, but they could have thrown in a simple line stating that there may be some sort of a fee. It's a bunch of BS.
http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=132003
Players in North America are welcome to participate in the European Launch. The plans for US servers aren’t finalized at the time of this announcement. We will offer the option for character migration to US servers for N. American players who wish to use it. We have had people playing without problem from all over the US and Canada. That being said, our servers are located in Germany and distance does affect ping-time.
The yellow is the problem. Coupled with the fact that the transfer of existing characters will be a PAID service, we have a fucking problem.
MANY NA players like myself, who bought the game months ago, are giving AV the finger and quitting. I'm not fucking buying the game TWICE, and I'm not fucking paying for a transfer three months down the road and being stuck playing with a 170 ping during what will be off-hours in the mean time (plus further paying $15 per month for that duration).
AV can suck it. They screwed the pooch. They have lied and cheated, and I don't give companies like that my money. It's a shame...DF has CRAZY potential, and to see it wasted like this is almost as bad as the NGE bomb that got dropped on SWG.
This is EXACTLY how I feel. I feel like I just got fucking betrayed.
I'll never give AV another cent. They can join the list with SOE and Valve of companies that will never EVER get my money again.
We need to make a "I just got fucked by AV" support group.
I stopped playing Darkfall after the first month. I couldn't keep up with the hacker and botter lol. And now, Aventurine pull off mroe crap then SOE does lol. Mortal Online better not fail like DFO did.
What a mess...
~Ripper
Av didn't charge EU players for the client.
They aren't charging for an NA account. They are charging for a client.
I didn't buy the client. The client was free. I purchased an account along with everyone else.
Now they are charging for the same client they've been distributing freely for 4 months.
Only people who want to play on the NA server have to buy the client.
He didn't say anything about an account in todays update. He said client.
That's why I'm a little pissed.
I thought Av was self publishing? I thought Audio visual was thier account services and billing.
Why do you need a publisher when everything is done using torrents?
I really do think Av has been bullshitting people.
haha. I used to be a DF supporter until the little lack of features began to pile up into one huge mess and now being strong-armed into purchasing a second client.
Tasos never, ever, never said anything remotely familiar to what you posted. Tasos said that character transfers would be offered. He never mentioned or even remotely hinted at the need to purchase a new client. He used his spin speach to hide the fact that without the initial North American purchases and subscriptions, this company, Aventurine, and this game would not have survived as long as it did; thats my feeling.
Now you know that the North American player-base were reeled-in as unsuspecting participants in a weird experiment whereby you were all recruited as investors in this experiment. Little did you know that you weren't willing participants in a bait and switch.
You have to buy a new client, the same one you already paid $50 for again. Dont think for a moment that you're getting out of paying for that new client if you just want to transfer your character...lol...your gonna get a transfer fee that is equivalent to purchasing a new client. And if you think otherwise, that's some awefully strong koolaid.
haha. I used to be a DF supporter until the little lack of features began to pile up into one huge mess and now being strong-armed into purchasing a second client.
Tasos never, ever, never said anything remotely familiar to what you posted. Tasos said that character transfers would be offered. He never mentioned or even remotely hinted at the need to purchase a new client. He used his spin speach to hide the fact that without the initial North American purchases and subscriptions, this company, Aventurine, and this game would not have survived as long as it did; thats my feeling.
Now you know that the North American player-base were reeled-in as unsuspecting participants in a weird experiment whereby you were all recruited as investors in this experiment. Little did you know that you weren't willing participants in a bait and switch.
You have to buy a new client, the same one you already paid $50 for again. Dont think for a moment that you're getting out of paying for that new client if you just want to transfer your character...lol...your gonna get a transfer fee that is equivalent to purchasing a new client. And if you think otherwise, that's some awefully strong koolaid.
You didn't purchase a client.
The client was free.
You purchased an account.
Now they are requiring NA users who wish to play on the NA account at launch to purchase the client they've been distributing freely for 4 months.
haha. I used to be a DF supporter until the little lack of features began to pile up into one huge mess and now being strong-armed into purchasing a second client.
Tasos never, ever, never said anything remotely familiar to what you posted. Tasos said that character transfers would be offered. He never mentioned or even remotely hinted at the need to purchase a new client. He used his spin speach to hide the fact that without the initial North American purchases and subscriptions, this company, Aventurine, and this game would not have survived as long as it did; thats my feeling.
Now you know that the North American player-base were reeled-in as unsuspecting participants in a weird experiment whereby you were all recruited as investors in this experiment. Little did you know that you weren't willing participants in a bait and switch.
You have to buy a new client, the same one you already paid $50 for again. Dont think for a moment that you're getting out of paying for that new client if you just want to transfer your character...lol...your gonna get a transfer fee that is equivalent to purchasing a new client. And if you think otherwise, that's some awefully strong koolaid.
You didn't purchase a client.
The client was free.
You purchased an account.
Now they are requiring NA users who wish to play on the NA account at launch to purchase the client they've been distributing freely for 4 months.
Again...the spin keeps coming. Keep playing your Semantics game. We purchased an account with a client...the same client that is going to be used and can be patched to access the NA server.
So the fact remains, NA players are purchasing the same game account with the same client.
haha. I used to be a DF supporter until the little lack of features began to pile up into one huge mess and now being strong-armed into purchasing a second client.
Tasos never, ever, never said anything remotely familiar to what you posted. Tasos said that character transfers would be offered. He never mentioned or even remotely hinted at the need to purchase a new client. He used his spin speach to hide the fact that without the initial North American purchases and subscriptions, this company, Aventurine, and this game would not have survived as long as it did; thats my feeling.
Now you know that the North American player-base were reeled-in as unsuspecting participants in a weird experiment whereby you were all recruited as investors in this experiment. Little did you know that you weren't willing participants in a bait and switch.
You have to buy a new client, the same one you already paid $50 for again. Dont think for a moment that you're getting out of paying for that new client if you just want to transfer your character...lol...your gonna get a transfer fee that is equivalent to purchasing a new client. And if you think otherwise, that's some awefully strong koolaid.
You didn't purchase a client.
The client was free.
You purchased an account.
Now they are requiring NA users who wish to play on the NA account at launch to purchase the client they've been distributing freely for 4 months.
You’re grasping at straws. The client is the same as the account for all intensive circumstances. You got a free month, then were charged for the client/account. Now you have to pay again for NA-1, either by paying up front for NA-1 Launch or paying over three months with an additional transfer fee with restrictions. Either way it’s the same. I’m less concerned by the money cost as I am the principle.
rofl
Really. Look at some of my past supportive DF messages. Honestly, I couldnt think that Tasos and his crack team of developers could screw this game up any more or screw-over the community any more than they had. But damn was I wrong!
(i so want to insert the biggest rofl laughing icon here, but dont know how)
haha. I used to be a DF supporter until the little lack of features began to pile up into one huge mess and now being strong-armed into purchasing a second client.
Tasos never, ever, never said anything remotely familiar to what you posted. Tasos said that character transfers would be offered. He never mentioned or even remotely hinted at the need to purchase a new client. He used his spin speach to hide the fact that without the initial North American purchases and subscriptions, this company, Aventurine, and this game would not have survived as long as it did; thats my feeling.
Now you know that the North American player-base were reeled-in as unsuspecting participants in a weird experiment whereby you were all recruited as investors in this experiment. Little did you know that you weren't willing participants in a bait and switch.
You have to buy a new client, the same one you already paid $50 for again. Dont think for a moment that you're getting out of paying for that new client if you just want to transfer your character...lol...your gonna get a transfer fee that is equivalent to purchasing a new client. And if you think otherwise, that's some awefully strong koolaid.
You didn't purchase a client.
The client was free.
You purchased an account.
Now they are requiring NA users who wish to play on the NA account at launch to purchase the client they've been distributing freely for 4 months.
You’re grasping at straws. The client is the same as the account for all intensive circumstances. You got a free month, then were charged for the client/account. Now you have to pay again for NA-1, either by paying up front for NA-1 Launch or paying over three months with an additional transfer fee with restrictions. Either way it’s the same. I’m less concerned by the money cost as I am the principle.
Let me clarify.
Tasos should be kicked in the nuts for 4 months straight for what he's doing.
However,
That doesn't change the fact that
Everyone playing DFO right now never purchased a client. The client was free. I downloaded the client 2 weeks before I got my account. You didn't need an account to get the client. We payed for an ACCOUNT.
NOW
Av is charing people for the CLIENT.
"In the meanwhile if you want to play on the American server at launch you need to buy the American Darkfall client"
Yes,
That includes your account.
My problem is
I ALREADY PAID FOR AN ACCOUNT AND GOT THE CLIENT FOR FREE. EU players don't have to pay for a client now. They only paid for an account, the same one I paid for. NA players have to buy the client to play on the NA server at launch.
I'm not grasping at anything.
I'm pointing out what a lot of people seem to missing.
It's not an American account you have to buy, it's an American client.
Do you really think the American client is any dif. then the EU one? No, it's not.
It's bullshit.
Edit: I want to clarify this a little more.
Not long ago a president was set in the way that MMO are distributed. A lot of companies stopped charging for the client because of a court case Blizzard won against a company that distributed a hack.
When you load the client the first thing you have to to is except the ToS/ EULA. NOW, when you agree to it, you agree to a LIMITTED LISENCE AGREEMENT. See, I had a problem with this when Blizz won thier case cause I didn't purchase a LIMITTED liecense agreement when I baught WoW, I baught a game, a game that now I don't actually own. If I buy a single player game, I onw that game, not so for an MMO now-a-days. You can't really charge for software when you also charge for a limitted license agreement.
I didn't buy software from Av. I purchased, esentially, a limitted lisence agreement.
No where is one of the limitations of that lisencing agreement stated that that I may only acces the content of the world from a EU server. I never purchased an account that was limitted to where I may access it. Because of that, I don't feel that Av has a right to limit the use of my agreement.
This is classic.
Tansfer fee is going to be less. If not, then people will just quit and AV can't afford people just quittng in mass like that. You people are soo funny
Games:
Currently playing:Nothing
Will play: Darkfall: Unholy Wars
Past games:
Guild Wars 2 - Xpiher Duminous
Xpiher's GW2
GW 1 - Xpiher Duminous
Darkfall - Xpiher Duminous (NA) retired
AoC - Xpiher (Tyranny) retired
Warhammer - Xpiher
This stupid change suggests that this company thinks otherwise.
Tansfer fee is going to be less. If not, then people will just quit and AV can't afford people just quittng in mass like that. You people are soo funny
take a look at the o-boards. that's exactly what's happening. AV is fucked.
haha. I used to be a DF supporter until the little lack of features began to pile up into one huge mess and now being strong-armed into purchasing a second client.
Tasos never, ever, never said anything remotely familiar to what you posted. Tasos said that character transfers would be offered. He never mentioned or even remotely hinted at the need to purchase a new client. He used his spin speach to hide the fact that without the initial North American purchases and subscriptions, this company, Aventurine, and this game would not have survived as long as it did; thats my feeling.
Now you know that the North American player-base were reeled-in as unsuspecting participants in a weird experiment whereby you were all recruited as investors in this experiment. Little did you know that you weren't willing participants in a bait and switch.
You have to buy a new client, the same one you already paid $50 for again. Dont think for a moment that you're getting out of paying for that new client if you just want to transfer your character...lol...your gonna get a transfer fee that is equivalent to purchasing a new client. And if you think otherwise, that's some awefully strong koolaid.
You didn't purchase a client.
The client was free.
You purchased an account.
Now they are requiring NA users who wish to play on the NA account at launch to purchase the client they've been distributing freely for 4 months.
Phrase it any way you want the fact still remains people believed they would be able to play on all servers withthe purchase of a single account, as the FAQ stated they would, were misled. Still waiting for the other shoe to drop though. Anyone care to bet if you transfer your character to NA-1 you will no longer be able to play on EU-1?
No one who has followed Darkfall could have ever fully believed anything they ever posted except perhaps their most blind fanbois.
They need the money, its as simple as that. As for paying for server transfers, most games do it unless its to alleviate server over/under crowding, which is a problem DF certainly doesn't have to worry about.
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Av didn't charge EU players for the client.
They aren't charging for an NA account. They are charging for a client.
I didn't buy the client. The client was free. I purchased an account along with everyone else.
Now they are charging for the same client they've been distributing freely for 4 months.
Only people who want to play on the NA server have to buy the client.
He didn't say anything about an account in todays update. He said client.
That's why I'm a little pissed.
I thought Av was self publishing? I thought Audio visual was thier account services and billing.
Why do you need a publisher when everything is done using torrents?
I really do think Av has been bullshitting people.
It's just poorly worded on Tasos' part. You didn't pay for an account. I had both the client and an account, but wasn't able to play until I subscribed. We both bought licenses to use the client and login with our accounts. You're not going to buy the NA client, regardless what Tasos said. You're going to buy a license to use it.
Aventurine didn't self publish Darkfall. AudioVisual is their European publisher, but they don't have experience publishing games and don't seem to have performed any of the traditional publishing activities (funding development, doing marketing, managing retail box and virtual sales, etc...). Just like Aventurine, they're amateurs. The only thing they appear to have done is create and manage the abysmal account managment/billing system.
~Ripper
This stupid change suggests that this company thinks otherwise.
To play on the NA server AV has to give the NA pubisher money for publishing the game. That fee is normally $15 (box cost + rights/lisences cost + profit cost). Transfers probably will be $10. Anyone that thinks it will be $50 is an idiot
Games:
Currently playing:Nothing
Will play: Darkfall: Unholy Wars
Past games:
Guild Wars 2 - Xpiher Duminous
Xpiher's GW2
GW 1 - Xpiher Duminous
Darkfall - Xpiher Duminous (NA) retired
AoC - Xpiher (Tyranny) retired
Warhammer - Xpiher
Tansfer fee is going to be less. If not, then people will just quit and AV can't afford people just quittng in mass like that. You people are soo funny
take a look at the o-boards. that's exactly what's happening. AV is fucked.
Yup, I agree. They screwed the pooch big-time with this one.
As an aside I had a bit of a chuckle at this post from ForumFall poking a bit of fun at xpiher...
forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php
Av didn't charge EU players for the client.
They aren't charging for an NA account. They are charging for a client.
I didn't buy the client. The client was free. I purchased an account along with everyone else.
Now they are charging for the same client they've been distributing freely for 4 months.
Only people who want to play on the NA server have to buy the client.
He didn't say anything about an account in todays update. He said client.
That's why I'm a little pissed.
I thought Av was self publishing? I thought Audio visual was thier account services and billing.
Why do you need a publisher when everything is done using torrents?
I really do think Av has been bullshitting people.
It's just poorly worded on Tasos' part. You didn't pay for an account. I had both the client and an account, but wasn't able to play until I subscribed. We both bought licenses to use the client and login with our accounts. You're not going to buy the NA client, regardless what Tasos said. You're going to buy a license to use it.
Aventurine didn't self publish Darkfall. AudioVisual is their European publisher, but they don't have experience publishing games and don't seem to have performed any of the traditional publishing activities (funding development, doing marketing, managing retail box and virtual sales, etc...). Just like Aventurine, they're amateurs. The only thing they appear to have done is create and manage the abysmal account managment/billing system.
~Ripper
See,
That's what confused me.
Audio Visual doesn't actually operate in the context of a traditional publisher, they really just handle billing.
I'm honestly not even sure about that. Whenever there was a billing issue Tasos would post in a tone that made is seem as if Av was dealing with whatever problem arouse.
They would do the same thing with the server Q's, and they don't even touch the servers.
I really feel like most of what Tasos says really is a bunch of BS. Kind of like he makes up things to justify whateve is happening at the time. Kind of like charging for a new client because of a dif. publisher; yet no ones been anounced as a new publisher. Hell, GNi announced the NA server a month ago, you know they had a publisher in place by then.
I dont' think there is a NA publisher. I think it's BS.
If one is announced I'll bet anything it's a company no ones ever heard of.
Edit: To clarify. I believe the accounts management page is handled by Av. The only thing I think Audio Visual is doing is procesing billing information. You don't need a publisher to do that.
Tansfer fee is going to be less. If not, then people will just quit and AV can't afford people just quittng in mass like that. You people are soo funny
take a look at the o-boards. that's exactly what's happening. AV is fucked.
Yup, I agree. They screwed the pooch big-time with this one.
As an aside I had a bit of a chuckle at this post from ForumFall poking a bit of fun at xpiher...
forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php
People complain about rigor way to much.
Games:
Currently playing:Nothing
Will play: Darkfall: Unholy Wars
Past games:
Guild Wars 2 - Xpiher Duminous
Xpiher's GW2
GW 1 - Xpiher Duminous
Darkfall - Xpiher Duminous (NA) retired
AoC - Xpiher (Tyranny) retired
Warhammer - Xpiher
This stupid change suggests that this company thinks otherwise.
To play on the NA server AV has to give the NA pubisher money for publishing the game. That fee is normally $15 (box cost + rights/lisences cost + profit cost). Transfers probably will be $10. Anyone that thinks it will be $50 is an idiot
IN YOUR OPINION!
Do you know what the transfer fee will be? NO!
Do you know what he restrictions will be? NO!
Please stop acting like you KNOW what you are talking about... you DON'T.
The majority on ForumFall are tired of your incorrect information, and it won't fly any better over here.
Tansfer fee is going to be less. If not, then people will just quit and AV can't afford people just quittng in mass like that. You people are soo funny
take a look at the o-boards. that's exactly what's happening. AV is fucked.
Yup, I agree. They screwed the pooch big-time with this one.
As an aside I had a bit of a chuckle at this post from ForumFall poking a bit of fun at xpiher...
forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php
People complain about rigor way to much.
Heh...
Actually this was the post I had a chuckle at:
"Xpiher averages almost 50 posts a day.
If you haven't noticed he's an idiot before now then you haven't been reading the forums closely enough.
He's pretty upfront, unabashed and persistent about displaying it."
Didn't really have anything to do with rigor.