This is a classic and disappointing Aventurine move for those that might have carried over to the North American server.
Not only do those that want to play on a NA server have to re-purchase the client for $50, for those that rather wait 3 months for a character transfer, are going to be hit with a transfer fee that, I bet the farm, will be no different than had that player purchased a new client.
This is rich.
Tansfer fee is going to be less. If not, then people will just quit and AV can't afford people just quittng in mass like that. You people are soo funny
take a look at the o-boards. that's exactly what's happening. AV is fucked.
Yup, I agree. They screwed the pooch big-time with this one.
As an aside I had a bit of a chuckle at this post from ForumFall poking a bit of fun at xpiher...
If you haven't noticed he's an idiot before now then you haven't been reading the forums closely enough.
He's pretty upfront, unabashed and persistent about displaying it."
Didn't really have anything to do with rigor.
I know what he said, but he said that in reponse to what someone else said about me. People complain about rigor too much. I know all the other issues, but the thing is you can get your character as high as the maxed players characters are in 3months as long as you dont worry about owning a city. Which is the only reason they have max characters, very little to do with exploits.
Originally posted by xpiher Tansfer fee is going to be less. If not, then people will just quit and AV can't afford people just quittng in mass like that. You people are soo funny
This stupid change suggests that this company thinks otherwise.
To play on the NA server AV has to give the NA pubisher money for publishing the game. That fee is normally $15 (box cost + rights/lisences cost + profit cost). Transfers probably will be $10. Anyone that thinks it will be $50 is an idiot
IN YOUR OPINION!
Do you know what the transfer fee will be? NO!
Do you know what he restrictions will be? NO!
Please stop acting like you KNOW what you are talking about... you DON'T.
The majority on ForumFall are tired of your incorrect information, and it won't fly any better over here.
OMG THEY DON"T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT EITHER!~!! At least mine is based on expeience, their's is based on nothing but negitive assumptions
Originally posted by xpiher Tansfer fee is going to be less. If not, then people will just quit and AV can't afford people just quittng in mass like that. You people are soo funny
This stupid change suggests that this company thinks otherwise.
To play on the NA server AV has to give the NA pubisher money for publishing the game. That fee is normally $15 (box cost + rights/lisences cost + profit cost). Transfers probably will be $10. Anyone that thinks it will be $50 is an idiot
IN YOUR OPINION!
Do you know what the transfer fee will be? NO!
Do you know what he restrictions will be? NO!
Please stop acting like you KNOW what you are talking about... you DON'T.
The majority on ForumFall are tired of your incorrect information, and it won't fly any better over here.
OMG THEY DON"T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT EITHER!~!! At least mine is based on expeience, their's is based on nothing but negitive assumptions
Why would transfers be any less then SoE or Blizz charge? I mean Av seems to think they are in the same league so I would say the standard $25 per character transfer fee will apply. Of course what you transfer with is anyone's guess at this time. That is if the game is even still alive by then after this debacle.
How long ago was NGE now? And the Vanguard debacle?
No-one who was a part of the mmo community will ever cease to associate SOE those events. That's why for their attempt to redefine themselves in this market they've made an mmo for a younger and possibly oblivious audience.
I completely understand there being EU and NA distributors - I posited that in another recent thread - but all that was communicated to potential purchasers was plans for an NA server and that character transfers would be available - i.e. "buy our client now and you can play on the NA server later".
To charge any player again could be seen as fraudulent. And if it doesn't actually cross that legal line, it will still result in a loss of goodwill that will far exceed whatever money they'll make from having sold the game twice to a few die-hard fans.
If I hadn't already cancelled my account earlier this week, I would after hearing this. This is that awful sound of tearing metal as it hits the iceberg...
Originally posted by xpiher Tansfer fee is going to be less. If not, then people will just quit and AV can't afford people just quittng in mass like that. You people are soo funny
This stupid change suggests that this company thinks otherwise.
To play on the NA server AV has to give the NA pubisher money for publishing the game. That fee is normally $15 (box cost + rights/lisences cost + profit cost). Transfers probably will be $10. Anyone that thinks it will be $50 is an idiot
IN YOUR OPINION!
Do you know what the transfer fee will be? NO!
Do you know what he restrictions will be? NO!
Please stop acting like you KNOW what you are talking about... you DON'T.
The majority on ForumFall are tired of your incorrect information, and it won't fly any better over here.
OMG THEY DON"T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT EITHER!~!! At least mine is based on expeience, their's is based on nothing but negitive assumptions
But I don't think they stated that anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot though.
To be fair to them...
Aventurine has made some pretty wacky decisions over the years. You can't exactly draw upon the "expected norm" when trying to predict what Aventurine will do.
In fact, if you try and guess the most out-landish and sure-fire way to sink your company you'd actually be closer to the mark. So... I guess we'll see in a few more weeks who is closer to the mark.
You with your $10 guess
Or
Them with their $50 guess
Can we assume that you will admit you were wrong if the amount turns out to be more than $30?
Aventurine did a very basic mistake once more - do not make promises you cannot keep, with the transfer fee or "buying a client". Now they'll need a shovel to get out of the hole they just threw themselves in.
Transfer fee is going to be equivalent to what we paid out to purchase the original account/client from North America to get onto the EU server.
It's just that simple. Aventurine has had this posture of entitlement for years, and this is another example of Aventurine believing that they are entitled to have their North American base pay another $50 account fee regardless of how shifty they've spun the expectation when they said that character transfers will be possible.
I'm just not going to be a part of a product in the mmorpg industry where I've had to purchase the same product twice in a 4-month period. lol
Originally posted by xpiher Tansfer fee is going to be less. If not, then people will just quit and AV can't afford people just quittng in mass like that. You people are soo funny
This stupid change suggests that this company thinks otherwise.
To play on the NA server AV has to give the NA pubisher money for publishing the game. That fee is normally $15 (box cost + rights/lisences cost + profit cost). Transfers probably will be $10. Anyone that thinks it will be $50 is an idiot
IN YOUR OPINION!
Do you know what the transfer fee will be? NO! Do you know what he restrictions will be? NO!
Please stop acting like you KNOW what you are talking about... you DON'T. The majority on ForumFall are tired of your incorrect information, and it won't fly any better over here.
OMG THEY DON"T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT EITHER!~!! At least mine is based on expeience, their's is based on nothing but negitive assumptions
But I don't think they stated that anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot though.
To be fair to them... Aventurine has made some pretty wacky decisions over the years. You can't exactly draw upon the "expected norm" when trying to predict what Aventurine will do. In fact, if you try and guess the most out-landish and sure-fire way to sink your company you'd actually be closer to the mark. So... I guess we'll see in a few more weeks who is closer to the mark.
You with your $10 guess Or Them with their $50 guess
Can we assume that you will admit you were wrong if the amount turns out to be more than $30?
As long as its still worth talking about
"The European rights and the American rights to Darkfall do not belong to the same company"
How is this the case? Rights to exactly what? This is pretty much the reason as to why some people may have to pay again if they wish to play DF on the NA server at its release date and why "you cannot freely transfer between the two territories".
This does't really add up in my opinion. If its just two seperate companies distributing the download and/or hosting the servers, why can't I play on NA with my client yet this NA company now take over my subscription? This doesn't explain to me the necessity of having to pay for that same client a second time if I wish to play on the NA release date.
When you publish products across multiple regions you have get a patent for the product/service and a licences for each region you want to distribute your product. If they just allow transfers for free or allow players to just create a new character on the NA server without a fee they are technically breaking the law since a new company now owns the rights which allows said company to sue in NA for breaking the contract.
Add up now?
Edit: If anyone has watch licensed anime from free fan subs you know exactly what I'm talking about about
Aventurine did a very basic mistake once more - do not make promises you cannot keep, with the transfer fee or "buying a client". Now they'll need a shovel to get out of the hole they just threw themselves in.
But what ya'll don't seem to understand is that is was not a mistake, the fans not only didn't care, but there are legions of near-professional DF apologists that roam the forums making excuses/ producing spin/ exaggerating....C'mon, you've all seen them here ( admittedly, you only see them once every two to three days between their frequent bans, because their behavior runs into trolling/ flamming , and if you think that I'm kidding, check out their profiles - one day posting, two to three days off, as regular as clock work ).
So the point that I am trying to make is that the rules really don't apply to AV, they have a unique set of fans/ players and their actions can be different then what we see from other MMO's producers.
Just my observations, not a flame, it's just what I'm seeing of course....
Am I the only person from the US who understood that Darkfall was marketed to the EU. With the US servers coming and having to buy a new copy of Darkfall makes sense. This is the same way with most P2P games that require a box purchase.
All MMO's have grinds. If you don't like to Grind then MMO's are not for you.
Am I the only person from the US who understood that Darkfall was marketed to the EU. With the US servers coming and having to buy a new copy of Darkfall makes sense. This is the same way with most P2P games that require a box purchase.
Yea, I found it pretty normal, though they did promise FREE transfers, so the p2p transfer is bull.
Tansfer fee is going to be less. If not, then people will just quit and AV can't afford people just quittng in mass like that. You people are soo funny
This stupid change suggests that this company thinks otherwise.
To play on the NA server AV has to give the NA pubisher money for publishing the game. That fee is normally $15 (box cost + rights/lisences cost + profit cost). Transfers probably will be $10. Anyone that thinks it will be $50 is an idiot
IN YOUR OPINION!
Do you know what the transfer fee will be? NO!
Do you know what he restrictions will be? NO!
Please stop acting like you KNOW what you are talking about... you DON'T.
The majority on ForumFall are tired of your incorrect information, and it won't fly any better over here.
OMG THEY DON"T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT EITHER!~!! At least mine is based on expeience, their's is based on nothing but negitive assumptions
But I don't think they stated that anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot though.
To be fair to them...
Aventurine has made some pretty wacky decisions over the years. You can't exactly draw upon the "expected norm" when trying to predict what Aventurine will do.
In fact, if you try and guess the most out-landish and sure-fire way to sink your company you'd actually be closer to the mark. So... I guess we'll see in a few more weeks who is closer to the mark.
You with your $10 guess
Or
Them with their $50 guess
Can we assume that you will admit you were wrong if the amount turns out to be more than $30?
As long as its still worth talking about
"The European rights and the American rights to Darkfall do not belong to the same company"
How is this the case? Rights to exactly what? This is pretty much the reason as to why some people may have to pay again if they wish to play DF on the NA server at its release date and why "you cannot freely transfer between the two territories".
This does't really add up in my opinion. If its just two seperate companies distributing the download and/or hosting the servers, why can't I play on NA with my client yet this NA company now take over my subscription? This doesn't explain to me the necessity of having to pay for that same client a second time if I wish to play on the NA release date.
When you publish products across multiple regions you have get a patent for the product/service and a licences for each region you want to distribute your product. If they just allow transfers for free or allow players to just create a new character on the NA server without a fee they are technically breaking the law since a new company now owns the rights which allows said company to sue in NA for breaking the contract.
Add up now?
Edit: If anyone has watch licensed anime from free fan subs you know exactly what I'm talking about about
Oh I don't disagree that a fee needs to be paid. I just disagree that it should be the fans and current loyal customers that should have to pay it.
Aventurine put themselves into this mess, they can foot the bill to get themselves out of it.
Aventurine purposefully mislead their current customers, and changed the wording on their web-site AFTER the customers had already bought the product.
Not sure what the out-come of a bait-and-switch class action lawsuit would be, but I think there would be a few lawyers that would take the case.
Back in Feb. when it launched the web site said that players could have one character PER SERVER.
Shortly before the announcement of the NA server they changed that to read one character PER ACCOUNT.
That isn't a game-play change as is allowed for with the EULA. That's a change that might be grounds for a class-action lawsuit. Time will tell if some players feel it worth-while to pursue.
SoE had to foot the bill to get themselves out of a similar switch when they did the NGE shortly after their 2nd expansion came out. They ended up having to reimburse anyone who wanted their money back.
I could see the same thing happening here. Had NA customers known that this would be the case... they wouldn't have bought the EU-1 version. Tasos' statement was misleading, and they did change the web-site AFTER the fact. The only quesiton is if some DarkFall players want to pursue it or not. I think it's about 50/50 as for their chances of winning.
When you publish products across multiple regions you have get a patent for the product/service and a licences for each region you want to distribute your product. If they just allow transfers for free or allow players to just create a new character on the NA server without a fee they are technically breaking the law since a new company now owns the rights which allows said company to sue in NA for breaking the contract.
They wouldn't be breaking the law if they absorbed that fee themselves.
This would be the smart thing to do. Sure they'd lose a bit of money now, but they also wouldn't be generating mountains of negative goodwill.
Many players quite rightly feel like they've been deceived - they purchased the EU game with the expectation (based on statements by Aventurine) that they would later be able to play the NA game. No mention was made of needing to buy the game again or of transfer fees.
The threads on their site are filled with two different groups of people:
1) The people who are pissed off at Tasos and Aventurine, because they messed up.
2) The people who are from Europe who because they aren't affected, STILL feel the need to defend AV and Tasos.
How does a company that is so mismanaged and so flawed manage to get this number of fans to worship it, even if it is only a few thousand? It doesn't make any sense.
How does a company that is so mismanaged and so flawed manage to get this number of fans to worship it, even if it is only a few thousand? It doesn't make any sense.
It's not that hard to understand.
In nearly every single mmo in development that I've looked in on, there's been a small but vocal minority who push for open pvp with full loot.
Most mmo developers won't go near this, because of the many and varied problems that come with it.
Aventurine have delivered it - but the game package as a whole is a dud and it looks like it's going to bomb.
Plus the city ownership/building/sieging/naval warfare stuff all has the potential to be fun, even if it's all a bit screwed up now.
To those avidly defending the game, Darkfall represents something they desperately want and if Darkfall fails, they may be waiting a long time to see any of this stuff again.
When you publish products across multiple regions you have get a patent for the product/service and a licences for each region you want to distribute your product. If they just allow transfers for free or allow players to just create a new character on the NA server without a fee they are technically breaking the law since a new company now owns the rights which allows said company to sue in NA for breaking the contract.
They wouldn't be breaking the law if they absorbed that fee themselves.
This would be the smart thing to do. Sure they'd lose a bit of money now, but they also wouldn't be generating mountains of negative goodwill.
Many players quite rightly feel like they've been deceived - they purchased the EU game with the expectation (based on statements by Aventurine) that they would later be able to play the NA game. No mention was made of needing to buy the game again or of transfer fees.
I think this is what Aventurine will ultimately agree to do.
If not, they can expect the same treatment that SoE got from their fans after they purchased the 2nd expansion and then the NGE hit. SoE ended up having to reimburse anyone who wanted their money back. I'd expect the same outcome for DarkFall if Aventurine sticks to this policy.
The fee is a smokescreen. The fee can be paid by anyone.
How does a company that is so mismanaged and so flawed manage to get this number of fans to worship it, even if it is only a few thousand? It doesn't make any sense.
It's not that hard to understand.
In nearly every single mmo in development that I've looked in on, there's been a small but vocal minority who push for open pvp with full loot.
Most mmo developers won't go near this, because of the many and varied problems that come with it.
Aventurine have delivered it - but the game package as a whole is a dud and it looks like it's going to bomb.
Plus the city ownership/building/sieging/naval warfare stuff all has the potential to be fun, even if it's all a bit screwed up now.
To those avidly defending the game, Darkfall represents something they desperately want and if Darkfall fails, they may be waiting a long time to see any of this stuff again.
I understand where they are coming from, but it just seems like they should try to play Mortal Online when it is out. All I ever see on the Darkfall Forums are complaints that everything is about city sieges and no more small group PvP, only naked Zergfest '09.
Am I the only person from the US who understood that Darkfall was marketed to the EU. With the US servers coming and having to buy a new copy of Darkfall makes sense. This is the same way with most P2P games that require a box purchase.
Yea, I found it pretty normal, though they did promise FREE transfers, so the p2p transfer is bull.
Originally posted by lethysI understand where they are coming from, but it just seems like they should try to play Mortal Online when it is out. All I ever see on the Darkfall Forums are complaints that everything is about city sieges and no more small group PvP, only naked Zergfest '09.
Yeah I found the pvp a bit sad.
It was all either naked nooblet ganking, or invading undefended cities to kill afk'ers on bloodwalls, or naked duelling.
Or those silly 10 minutes "epic battle" videos which were 90% people chasing each other on horses and flinging spells from a distance.
Especially sad, since the potential is there for it to be much better.
Am I the only person from the US who understood that Darkfall was marketed to the EU. With the US servers coming and having to buy a new copy of Darkfall makes sense. This is the same way with most P2P games that require a box purchase.
Yea, I found it pretty normal, though they did promise FREE transfers, so the p2p transfer is bull.
1) They didn't promise a free transfer
2) Compaies rearely eat any cost.
Lets see if I can find some Tasos post then
Edit: Yep, I cant find anything. I guess they didn't Good think im not xfering anyway haha
There is not a huge demand for a game like this and this ruleset in the states.
I agree. The huge skill grind + open pvp with full loot + map with newbie areas very exposed to high level players - is never going to attract many new players.
And while I have no problem with the open pvp with full loot, it seems like the easiest thing they could change that would make the game enjoyable to a larger audience. A few sensible tweaks to their ridiculous alignment system wouldn't hurt either.
There is not a huge demand for a game like this and this ruleset in the states.
I agree. The huge skill grind + open pvp with full loot + map with newbie areas very exposed to high level players - is never going to attract many new players.
And while I have no problem with the open pvp with full loot, it seems like the easiest thing they could change that would make the game enjoyable to a larger audience. A few sensible tweaks to their ridiculous alignment system wouldn't hurt either.
yeah, 'cause as we can see, EVE is suffering horribly. /sarcasm
Seriously, though.,.it's not the premise of the game that's at fault, but the implementation. The REAL reason we don't see more open PVP / Full loot games is this: today's MMO developers are after the WoW playerbase. They don't want to actually take a chance on something new, they want to make the same recycled SHIT over and over again in a weak attempt to create the next "big", mainstream cash-cow.
ANYONE who reads forums dedicated to the MMORPG genre has seen the discontent and griping...and knows full well that there is a huge opportunity out there for those who dare to sieze it....as long as they don't fuck it up as bad as AV has.
No I did not read all the posts so excuse me if it has been said before. Most companies use different clients for NA and other countries. I don't see why this is a big shock to anyone.
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Tansfer fee is going to be less. If not, then people will just quit and AV can't afford people just quittng in mass like that. You people are soo funny
take a look at the o-boards. that's exactly what's happening. AV is fucked.
Yup, I agree. They screwed the pooch big-time with this one.
As an aside I had a bit of a chuckle at this post from ForumFall poking a bit of fun at xpiher...
forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php
People complain about rigor way to much.
Heh...
Actually this was the post I had a chuckle at:
"Xpiher averages almost 50 posts a day.
If you haven't noticed he's an idiot before now then you haven't been reading the forums closely enough.
He's pretty upfront, unabashed and persistent about displaying it."
Didn't really have anything to do with rigor.
I know what he said, but he said that in reponse to what someone else said about me. People complain about rigor too much. I know all the other issues, but the thing is you can get your character as high as the maxed players characters are in 3months as long as you dont worry about owning a city. Which is the only reason they have max characters, very little to do with exploits.
Games:
Currently playing:Nothing
Will play: Darkfall: Unholy Wars
Past games:
Guild Wars 2 - Xpiher Duminous
Xpiher's GW2
GW 1 - Xpiher Duminous
Darkfall - Xpiher Duminous (NA) retired
AoC - Xpiher (Tyranny) retired
Warhammer - Xpiher
This stupid change suggests that this company thinks otherwise.
To play on the NA server AV has to give the NA pubisher money for publishing the game. That fee is normally $15 (box cost + rights/lisences cost + profit cost). Transfers probably will be $10. Anyone that thinks it will be $50 is an idiot
IN YOUR OPINION!
Do you know what the transfer fee will be? NO!
Do you know what he restrictions will be? NO!
Please stop acting like you KNOW what you are talking about... you DON'T.
The majority on ForumFall are tired of your incorrect information, and it won't fly any better over here.
OMG THEY DON"T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT EITHER!~!! At least mine is based on expeience, their's is based on nothing but negitive assumptions
Games:
Currently playing:Nothing
Will play: Darkfall: Unholy Wars
Past games:
Guild Wars 2 - Xpiher Duminous
Xpiher's GW2
GW 1 - Xpiher Duminous
Darkfall - Xpiher Duminous (NA) retired
AoC - Xpiher (Tyranny) retired
Warhammer - Xpiher
This stupid change suggests that this company thinks otherwise.
To play on the NA server AV has to give the NA pubisher money for publishing the game. That fee is normally $15 (box cost + rights/lisences cost + profit cost). Transfers probably will be $10. Anyone that thinks it will be $50 is an idiot
IN YOUR OPINION!
Do you know what the transfer fee will be? NO!
Do you know what he restrictions will be? NO!
Please stop acting like you KNOW what you are talking about... you DON'T.
The majority on ForumFall are tired of your incorrect information, and it won't fly any better over here.
OMG THEY DON"T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT EITHER!~!! At least mine is based on expeience, their's is based on nothing but negitive assumptions
Why would transfers be any less then SoE or Blizz charge? I mean Av seems to think they are in the same league so I would say the standard $25 per character transfer fee will apply. Of course what you transfer with is anyone's guess at this time. That is if the game is even still alive by then after this debacle.
My feelings exactly.
How long ago was NGE now? And the Vanguard debacle?
No-one who was a part of the mmo community will ever cease to associate SOE those events. That's why for their attempt to redefine themselves in this market they've made an mmo for a younger and possibly oblivious audience.
I completely understand there being EU and NA distributors - I posited that in another recent thread - but all that was communicated to potential purchasers was plans for an NA server and that character transfers would be available - i.e. "buy our client now and you can play on the NA server later".
To charge any player again could be seen as fraudulent. And if it doesn't actually cross that legal line, it will still result in a loss of goodwill that will far exceed whatever money they'll make from having sold the game twice to a few die-hard fans.
If I hadn't already cancelled my account earlier this week, I would after hearing this. This is that awful sound of tearing metal as it hits the iceberg...
This stupid change suggests that this company thinks otherwise.
To play on the NA server AV has to give the NA pubisher money for publishing the game. That fee is normally $15 (box cost + rights/lisences cost + profit cost). Transfers probably will be $10. Anyone that thinks it will be $50 is an idiot
IN YOUR OPINION!
Do you know what the transfer fee will be? NO!
Do you know what he restrictions will be? NO!
Please stop acting like you KNOW what you are talking about... you DON'T.
The majority on ForumFall are tired of your incorrect information, and it won't fly any better over here.
OMG THEY DON"T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT EITHER!~!! At least mine is based on expeience, their's is based on nothing but negitive assumptions
But I don't think they stated that anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot though.
To be fair to them...
Aventurine has made some pretty wacky decisions over the years. You can't exactly draw upon the "expected norm" when trying to predict what Aventurine will do.
In fact, if you try and guess the most out-landish and sure-fire way to sink your company you'd actually be closer to the mark. So... I guess we'll see in a few more weeks who is closer to the mark.
You with your $10 guess
Or
Them with their $50 guess
Can we assume that you will admit you were wrong if the amount turns out to be more than $30?
Aventurine did a very basic mistake once more - do not make promises you cannot keep, with the transfer fee or "buying a client". Now they'll need a shovel to get out of the hole they just threw themselves in.
Transfer fee is going to be equivalent to what we paid out to purchase the original account/client from North America to get onto the EU server.
It's just that simple. Aventurine has had this posture of entitlement for years, and this is another example of Aventurine believing that they are entitled to have their North American base pay another $50 account fee regardless of how shifty they've spun the expectation when they said that character transfers will be possible.
I'm just not going to be a part of a product in the mmorpg industry where I've had to purchase the same product twice in a 4-month period. lol
As long as its still worth talking about
When you publish products across multiple regions you have get a patent for the product/service and a licences for each region you want to distribute your product. If they just allow transfers for free or allow players to just create a new character on the NA server without a fee they are technically breaking the law since a new company now owns the rights which allows said company to sue in NA for breaking the contract.
Add up now?
Edit: If anyone has watch licensed anime from free fan subs you know exactly what I'm talking about about
Games:
Currently playing:Nothing
Will play: Darkfall: Unholy Wars
Past games:
Guild Wars 2 - Xpiher Duminous
Xpiher's GW2
GW 1 - Xpiher Duminous
Darkfall - Xpiher Duminous (NA) retired
AoC - Xpiher (Tyranny) retired
Warhammer - Xpiher
But what ya'll don't seem to understand is that is was not a mistake, the fans not only didn't care, but there are legions of near-professional DF apologists that roam the forums making excuses/ producing spin/ exaggerating....C'mon, you've all seen them here ( admittedly, you only see them once every two to three days between their frequent bans, because their behavior runs into trolling/ flamming , and if you think that I'm kidding, check out their profiles - one day posting, two to three days off, as regular as clock work ).
So the point that I am trying to make is that the rules really don't apply to AV, they have a unique set of fans/ players and their actions can be different then what we see from other MMO's producers.
Just my observations, not a flame, it's just what I'm seeing of course....
Am I the only person from the US who understood that Darkfall was marketed to the EU. With the US servers coming and having to buy a new copy of Darkfall makes sense. This is the same way with most P2P games that require a box purchase.
All MMO's have grinds. If you don't like to Grind then MMO's are not for you.
Yea, I found it pretty normal, though they did promise FREE transfers, so the p2p transfer is bull.
Currently restarting World of Warcraft
This stupid change suggests that this company thinks otherwise.
To play on the NA server AV has to give the NA pubisher money for publishing the game. That fee is normally $15 (box cost + rights/lisences cost + profit cost). Transfers probably will be $10. Anyone that thinks it will be $50 is an idiot
IN YOUR OPINION!
Do you know what the transfer fee will be? NO!
Do you know what he restrictions will be? NO!
Please stop acting like you KNOW what you are talking about... you DON'T.
The majority on ForumFall are tired of your incorrect information, and it won't fly any better over here.
OMG THEY DON"T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT EITHER!~!! At least mine is based on expeience, their's is based on nothing but negitive assumptions
But I don't think they stated that anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot though.
To be fair to them...
Aventurine has made some pretty wacky decisions over the years. You can't exactly draw upon the "expected norm" when trying to predict what Aventurine will do.
In fact, if you try and guess the most out-landish and sure-fire way to sink your company you'd actually be closer to the mark. So... I guess we'll see in a few more weeks who is closer to the mark.
You with your $10 guess
Or
Them with their $50 guess
Can we assume that you will admit you were wrong if the amount turns out to be more than $30?
As long as its still worth talking about
When you publish products across multiple regions you have get a patent for the product/service and a licences for each region you want to distribute your product. If they just allow transfers for free or allow players to just create a new character on the NA server without a fee they are technically breaking the law since a new company now owns the rights which allows said company to sue in NA for breaking the contract.
Add up now?
Edit: If anyone has watch licensed anime from free fan subs you know exactly what I'm talking about about
Oh I don't disagree that a fee needs to be paid. I just disagree that it should be the fans and current loyal customers that should have to pay it.
Aventurine put themselves into this mess, they can foot the bill to get themselves out of it.
Aventurine purposefully mislead their current customers, and changed the wording on their web-site AFTER the customers had already bought the product.
Not sure what the out-come of a bait-and-switch class action lawsuit would be, but I think there would be a few lawyers that would take the case.
Back in Feb. when it launched the web site said that players could have one character PER SERVER.
Shortly before the announcement of the NA server they changed that to read one character PER ACCOUNT.
That isn't a game-play change as is allowed for with the EULA. That's a change that might be grounds for a class-action lawsuit. Time will tell if some players feel it worth-while to pursue.
SoE had to foot the bill to get themselves out of a similar switch when they did the NGE shortly after their 2nd expansion came out. They ended up having to reimburse anyone who wanted their money back.
I could see the same thing happening here. Had NA customers known that this would be the case... they wouldn't have bought the EU-1 version. Tasos' statement was misleading, and they did change the web-site AFTER the fact. The only quesiton is if some DarkFall players want to pursue it or not. I think it's about 50/50 as for their chances of winning.
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They wouldn't be breaking the law if they absorbed that fee themselves.
This would be the smart thing to do. Sure they'd lose a bit of money now, but they also wouldn't be generating mountains of negative goodwill.
Many players quite rightly feel like they've been deceived - they purchased the EU game with the expectation (based on statements by Aventurine) that they would later be able to play the NA game. No mention was made of needing to buy the game again or of transfer fees.
The threads on their site are filled with two different groups of people:
1) The people who are pissed off at Tasos and Aventurine, because they messed up.
2) The people who are from Europe who because they aren't affected, STILL feel the need to defend AV and Tasos.
How does a company that is so mismanaged and so flawed manage to get this number of fans to worship it, even if it is only a few thousand? It doesn't make any sense.
It's not that hard to understand.
In nearly every single mmo in development that I've looked in on, there's been a small but vocal minority who push for open pvp with full loot.
Most mmo developers won't go near this, because of the many and varied problems that come with it.
Aventurine have delivered it - but the game package as a whole is a dud and it looks like it's going to bomb.
Plus the city ownership/building/sieging/naval warfare stuff all has the potential to be fun, even if it's all a bit screwed up now.
To those avidly defending the game, Darkfall represents something they desperately want and if Darkfall fails, they may be waiting a long time to see any of this stuff again.
They wouldn't be breaking the law if they absorbed that fee themselves.
This would be the smart thing to do. Sure they'd lose a bit of money now, but they also wouldn't be generating mountains of negative goodwill.
Many players quite rightly feel like they've been deceived - they purchased the EU game with the expectation (based on statements by Aventurine) that they would later be able to play the NA game. No mention was made of needing to buy the game again or of transfer fees.
I think this is what Aventurine will ultimately agree to do.
If not, they can expect the same treatment that SoE got from their fans after they purchased the 2nd expansion and then the NGE hit. SoE ended up having to reimburse anyone who wanted their money back. I'd expect the same outcome for DarkFall if Aventurine sticks to this policy.
The fee is a smokescreen. The fee can be paid by anyone.
It's not that hard to understand.
In nearly every single mmo in development that I've looked in on, there's been a small but vocal minority who push for open pvp with full loot.
Most mmo developers won't go near this, because of the many and varied problems that come with it.
Aventurine have delivered it - but the game package as a whole is a dud and it looks like it's going to bomb.
Plus the city ownership/building/sieging/naval warfare stuff all has the potential to be fun, even if it's all a bit screwed up now.
To those avidly defending the game, Darkfall represents something they desperately want and if Darkfall fails, they may be waiting a long time to see any of this stuff again.
I understand where they are coming from, but it just seems like they should try to play Mortal Online when it is out. All I ever see on the Darkfall Forums are complaints that everything is about city sieges and no more small group PvP, only naked Zergfest '09.
Yea, I found it pretty normal, though they did promise FREE transfers, so the p2p transfer is bull.
1) They didn't promise a free transfer
2) Compaies rearely eat any cost.
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I'm very curious in which MMO release charges for you for a client....other then darkfall.
WoW, Eve, Aion, FF11, Atlantica, LOTR, and etc you can download all their clients for free at anytime.
Yeah I found the pvp a bit sad.
It was all either naked nooblet ganking, or invading undefended cities to kill afk'ers on bloodwalls, or naked duelling.
Or those silly 10 minutes "epic battle" videos which were 90% people chasing each other on horses and flinging spells from a distance.
Especially sad, since the potential is there for it to be much better.
Yea, I found it pretty normal, though they did promise FREE transfers, so the p2p transfer is bull.
1) They didn't promise a free transfer
2) Compaies rearely eat any cost.
Lets see if I can find some Tasos post then
Edit: Yep, I cant find anything. I guess they didn't
Good think im not xfering anyway haha
Currently restarting World of Warcraft
I agree. The huge skill grind + open pvp with full loot + map with newbie areas very exposed to high level players - is never going to attract many new players.
And while I have no problem with the open pvp with full loot, it seems like the easiest thing they could change that would make the game enjoyable to a larger audience. A few sensible tweaks to their ridiculous alignment system wouldn't hurt either.
I agree. The huge skill grind + open pvp with full loot + map with newbie areas very exposed to high level players - is never going to attract many new players.
And while I have no problem with the open pvp with full loot, it seems like the easiest thing they could change that would make the game enjoyable to a larger audience. A few sensible tweaks to their ridiculous alignment system wouldn't hurt either.
yeah, 'cause as we can see, EVE is suffering horribly. /sarcasm
Seriously, though.,.it's not the premise of the game that's at fault, but the implementation. The REAL reason we don't see more open PVP / Full loot games is this: today's MMO developers are after the WoW playerbase. They don't want to actually take a chance on something new, they want to make the same recycled SHIT over and over again in a weak attempt to create the next "big", mainstream cash-cow.
ANYONE who reads forums dedicated to the MMORPG genre has seen the discontent and griping...and knows full well that there is a huge opportunity out there for those who dare to sieze it....as long as they don't fuck it up as bad as AV has.
No I did not read all the posts so excuse me if it has been said before. Most companies use different clients for NA and other countries. I don't see why this is a big shock to anyone.