Aren't we all playing "dress up"? I mean, if you wanted skilled pvp without the "dress up", you'd be playing Couterstrike, Quakewars, or Crysis. C'mon guys, admit it, you like barbie dolls...
Ahem - my Barbie was an action figure.
even I dressed up Team fortress with cute anime characters xD and counterstrike!
Aren't we all playing "dress up"? I mean, if you wanted skilled pvp without the "dress up", you'd be playing Couterstrike, Quakewars, or Crysis. C'mon guys, admit it, you like barbie dolls...
Ahem - my Barbie was an action figure.
Exactly, I mean sure I played with dolls but they were real mens dolls like He-man, Liono, Gi-Joe!...Well...now that I think about it....
LOL
hehe could even say GI joe was just ken going to the army!
Seriously... I mean, girls play games, we know this, and a few even play mmorpgs, we know this also, but by looking at the Aion FB page it looks like this game has managed to appeal to the female player base in a massive way. And we all know that where girls go, boys follow...
Actually you are correct. I remember an interview on G4 TV with an Aion art director and he was asked why the characters were so feminine and pretty looking. The answer was interesting.
He first said the obvious by stating such is normal in Asia, but then when prompted as to why the game's look wasn't updated to the western norm he said to the effect of, "Because the anime genre has shown us that such characters are extremely popular, expecially with female audiences." (paraphrased)
It would seem this strategy is working, for Aion does have a large female following. Only time and subs will tell here, but things do look good in this regard.
It's a simple fact, girls like to be pretty, even when they are trying to crush you into the ground. And if they get to crush a pretty guy into the dirt, then it is even more fun.
Seriously... I mean, girls play games, we know this, and a few even play mmorpgs, we know this also, but by looking at the Aion FB page it looks like this game has managed to appeal to the female player base in a massive way. And we all know that where girls go, boys follow...
lolwhat? you mean nice female models appeal more to female players?
you guessed wrong. guess why 95% of gamers base in mmos is male. then notice ALL box covers of those games.
yeah. a female character on each of them. with less clothing than usual as well. yeah....
if you think that ordinary female is very invited by some bitchy girls on gameboxes you dont know girls at all.
Seriously... I mean, girls play games, we know this, and a few even play mmorpgs, we know this also, but by looking at the Aion FB page it looks like this game has managed to appeal to the female player base in a massive way. And we all know that where girls go, boys follow...
lolwhat? you mean nice female models appeal more to female players?
you guessed wrong. guess why 95% of gamers base in mmos is male. then notice ALL box covers of those games.
yeah. a female character on each of them. with less clothing than usual as well. yeah....
if you think that ordinary female is very invited by some bitchy girls on gameboxes you dont know girls at all.
You have a point there, but it is only part of the equation.
To get the girls it helps that they can be pretty too, but... well....that's what the pretty men and those gorgeous wings are for.
Besides, Aion is an MMO that lets you accessorize your toon with earings and hairpins.
Seriously... I mean, girls play games, we know this, and a few even play mmorpgs, we know this also, but by looking at the Aion FB page it looks like this game has managed to appeal to the female player base in a massive way. And we all know that where girls go, boys follow...
lolwhat? you mean nice female models appeal more to female players?
you guessed wrong. guess why 95% of gamers base in mmos is male. then notice ALL box covers of those games.
yeah. a female character on each of them. with less clothing than usual as well. yeah....
if you think that ordinary female is very invited by some bitchy girls on gameboxes you dont know girls at all.
95% huh? still living in the 90s arn't you? might been true now, but There more of us now.. I say 70% are men now
ITT: Lonely fags praising women gamers even going as far to say they're glad women are playing mmo's? Claiming they are "interesting" and other nonsense? WTF!? Women don't belong in our manly games, they should be in the kitchen making you a sandwich while you are playing Aion. I am disappoint in you all..
Seriously... I mean, girls play games, we know this, and a few even play mmorpgs, we know this also, but by looking at the Aion FB page it looks like this game has managed to appeal to the female player base in a massive way. And we all know that where girls go, boys follow...
I'm not going to read all 6 pages but judging from the first page a lot of you seem clueless to the fact that girls have more appeal to asian centric type games... games like this, and particularly Final Fantasy have a 'ton' of females playing them. I don't blame some of you though, seeing as most western gamers have never played outside of the westernized style rpg.
I'm not going to read all 6 pages but judging from the first page a lot of you seem clueless to the fact that girls have more appeal to asian centric type games... games like this, and particularly Final Fantasy have a 'ton' of females playing them. I don't blame some of you though, seeing as most western gamers have never played outside of the westernized style rpg.
I'll be damned. Someone actually took this topic seriously.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
I'm a girl (well, woman as I just turned 24), and I won't be playing Aion. I love PvP, but Aion seems a bit linear considering that you pay a monthly subscription fee. I enjoyed WAR's PvP system much more, and even RF Online for that matter. (Argue with me if you want; you won't change my mind and I don't give a damn about how much my little ol' opinion upsets you, because it really shouldn't. If you like Aion, great, but that doesn't mean that I have to also. And I'm using the term "you" for illustrative purposes as this isn't directed at anyone in particular.)
The character models in Aion are something that I absolutely detest, to be honest. The fluffy, angelic wings and the immaculate looking, incredibly effeminate male characters make me feel as if I'm playing as a character in some shojo-themed game. (No; it's not nearly as bad as, let's say, Mabinogi, but at least that game offered divergent paths for different play-styles.)
As far as the misogynist opinions conveyed by some here are concerned: I've killed countless guys in PvP, and most of them didn't even realize I was a female since I often play male characters just to avoid being treated differently or as if my gender somehow makes me an inferior player. While I've met some cool guys who treat me no differently than everyone else because I'm a female, I've found that there are those ones who belittle my accomplishments because of this also. In fact, when I achieved a high PvP rank in another MMO once, and was ranked within the top 50 players on the server, a guy in my guild remarked that it "must be a bug." Jealous much?
And, no, I'm not some butch in RL as some people like to assume when a girl is on par with the men in terms of skill in a predominately male hobby. I just exert the necessary effort it takes to become proficient in whatever task I'm trying to accomplish, be it PvP or otherwise.
As far as drama goes, I was never at the center of the drama in the guilds I've been a part of, and men were just as responsible as the women in my guild for igniting it in the first place.
For the tl;dr crowd: Don't assume that every person who has beaten you is in fact a male IRL. You might be surprised to learn otherwise. You'll never catch me playing a character that looks like Paris Hilton with her laced-corset and shiny, strappy stilettos. (And I absolutely REFUSED to buy Haris Pilton's bag when I used to play WoW. Little diva charged too damn much anyway.)
Just and FYI, guys cause as much Guild Drama as girls.
that's so true lol, probably more drama to be honest :x
We'll have to agree to disagree there. Not a hit on the ladies, but in mine and my best friends experiences with guilds it's usually been the women that have brought the drama and don't get me wrong some of it is the guys responding to the women that are in their guild, but all too often it's girl on girl drama.
and theres girls like me:) who well don't want look like paris hilton(in which she isn't pretty(all matter of opion) love the strappy and laced corsets, fits who I am rl. But I known a few who play male characters to get away from all that though. Its funny how most men when they a real girl playing, they suddenly get horny and all that... now that disgusts me. especialy the ones that name their characters "hard nipples" or something really stupid.
I was always under the imperssion people just wanted a good game to play, didn't know it was all based on appearence.
It's not that, you're missing the point. It's that people want to play what makes them feel the most invested in their characters. For women, they like the idea of dressing up, maybe having certain makeup available, jewelry, hairstyles, then there is the fact the characters have wings. Things that women are just naturally interested in. I don't think guys care as much about the physical appearances of their characters or if they do, here in the western world, we prefer them far more rugged than easterners do.
I was always under the imperssion people just wanted a good game to play, didn't know it was all based on appearence.
If it was based on appearance, then Champions Online should have millions of customers right now.
According to a few, the major appeal to this game for the female player base is the appearance of the game, my point is maybe that plays a small role in a females choice, and they are actually just seeking a "good fun" game to play.
I'm generally more attracted to girls in a game than I am to girls in real life. I just love their voices and start to fall in love. Then, there was this one girl that I met in real life from my guild; to this day, she's still my dream girl.
I was always under the imperssion people just wanted a good game to play, didn't know it was all based on appearence.
It's not that, you're missing the point. It's that people want to play what makes them feel the most invested in their characters. For women, they like the idea of dressing up, maybe having certain makeup available, jewelry, hairstyles, then there is the fact the characters have wings. Things that women are just naturally interested in. I don't think guys care as much about the physical appearances of their characters or if they do, here in the western world, we prefer them far more rugged than easterners do.
It's all about character investment.
Yes women do enjoy those things, but if you are to believe that is the primary choice they all choose Aion, I feel you are lost. That's pretty much a stereotype. They are no different, they just want a fun game.
Edit: Also I was always under the impression males actually cared about character investment to? Or am I mistaken?
I'm generally more attracted to girls in a game than I am to girls in real life. I just love their voices and start to fall in love. Then, there was this one girl that I met in real life from my guild; to this day, she's still my dream girl.
Gotta love your honesty. I can't say that pixels really do it for me but I will say that the idea of having a gamer girlfriend seems like it would be pretty cool, well, so long as we both had systems.
and theres girls like me:) who well don't want look like paris hilton(in which she isn't pretty(all matter of opion) love the strappy and laced corsets, fits who I am rl. But I known a few who play male characters to get away from all that though. Its funny how most men when they a real girl playing, they suddenly get horny and all that... now that disgusts me. especialy the ones that name their characters "hard nipples" or something really stupid.
Hey; whatever floats your boat. I have no gripe with girls who play girl characters in laced corsets; that's your prerogative. I just get sick of being stereotyped, if you know what I mean.
And I'm totally with you on the second part of your post also. Although, when I have played female characters, most of the men I encountered were normal, average people who were indifferent to my gender--but the few who weren't drove me insane. I had one guy who wanted me to be his girlfriend (he was dead serious) after finding out I was a female IRL. Then cue the dozens of lewd comments tossed in my direction, and I was over it for good. Haven't played a female character since then (well, one, but I didn't take her too far).
I've made some great friends who are guys; they have no issue with the fact that I play male characters, and I always tell people once I get to know them. It weeds out the problematic individuals, which is my intent.
Rule 30 of the Internet: There are no girls on the internet. Your all morons for even imagining such a possibility..
This entire post is based on a fallacy. There are no women on the internet. Make believe. boys wanting to be girls. Go outside and clear your head.
Rule 3: insert foot up your ass
Hmm. What Wolf and I were doing was using hyperbole and a bit of dramatic irony. Its the contrast between the understanding of the audience and the writer that makes it funny. We have humor out here in the south west. You should try it sometime.
Rule #3: I'd tell you to do the same, but apparently that space is currently occupied by your head.
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Ahem - my Barbie was an action figure.
even I dressed up Team fortress with cute anime characters xD and counterstrike!
playing:Aion, shot online.
waiting for: Terra
Used to play:wow,EQ,EQ2,Rf Online, lineage II,Raganoke online.
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
Ahem - my Barbie was an action figure.
Exactly, I mean sure I played with dolls but they were real mens dolls like He-man, Liono, Gi-Joe!...Well...now that I think about it....
LOL
hehe could even say GI joe was just ken going to the army!
playing:Aion, shot online.
waiting for: Terra
Used to play:wow,EQ,EQ2,Rf Online, lineage II,Raganoke online.
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand."
- Lewis Thomas
Okay -I have to tell this one now:
Barbie is sold with Ken - but she comes with G.I. Joe.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
Actually you are correct. I remember an interview on G4 TV with an Aion art director and he was asked why the characters were so feminine and pretty looking. The answer was interesting.
He first said the obvious by stating such is normal in Asia, but then when prompted as to why the game's look wasn't updated to the western norm he said to the effect of, "Because the anime genre has shown us that such characters are extremely popular, expecially with female audiences." (paraphrased)
It would seem this strategy is working, for Aion does have a large female following. Only time and subs will tell here, but things do look good in this regard.
It's a simple fact, girls like to be pretty, even when they are trying to crush you into the ground. And if they get to crush a pretty guy into the dirt, then it is even more fun.
lolwhat? you mean nice female models appeal more to female players?
you guessed wrong. guess why 95% of gamers base in mmos is male. then notice ALL box covers of those games.
yeah. a female character on each of them. with less clothing than usual as well. yeah....
if you think that ordinary female is very invited by some bitchy girls on gameboxes you dont know girls at all.
lolwhat? you mean nice female models appeal more to female players?
you guessed wrong. guess why 95% of gamers base in mmos is male. then notice ALL box covers of those games.
yeah. a female character on each of them. with less clothing than usual as well. yeah....
if you think that ordinary female is very invited by some bitchy girls on gameboxes you dont know girls at all.
You have a point there, but it is only part of the equation.
To get the girls it helps that they can be pretty too, but... well....that's what the pretty men and those gorgeous wings are for.
Besides, Aion is an MMO that lets you accessorize your toon with earings and hairpins.
lolwhat? you mean nice female models appeal more to female players?
you guessed wrong. guess why 95% of gamers base in mmos is male. then notice ALL box covers of those games.
yeah. a female character on each of them. with less clothing than usual as well. yeah....
if you think that ordinary female is very invited by some bitchy girls on gameboxes you dont know girls at all.
95% huh? still living in the 90s arn't you? might been true now, but There more of us now.. I say 70% are men now
playing:Aion, shot online.
waiting for: Terra
Used to play:wow,EQ,EQ2,Rf Online, lineage II,Raganoke online.
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
Wait for it...wait...
I'm not going to read all 6 pages but judging from the first page a lot of you seem clueless to the fact that girls have more appeal to asian centric type games... games like this, and particularly Final Fantasy have a 'ton' of females playing them. I don't blame some of you though, seeing as most western gamers have never played outside of the westernized style rpg.
I'll be damned. Someone actually took this topic seriously.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
I tend to play games i want to play, i have never sat there and asked, "Hey i wonder how many girls this game has?!"
Just and FYI, guys cause as much Guild Drama as girls.
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand."
- Lewis Thomas
that's so true lol, probably more drama to be honest :x
I'm a girl (well, woman as I just turned 24), and I won't be playing Aion. I love PvP, but Aion seems a bit linear considering that you pay a monthly subscription fee. I enjoyed WAR's PvP system much more, and even RF Online for that matter. (Argue with me if you want; you won't change my mind and I don't give a damn about how much my little ol' opinion upsets you, because it really shouldn't. If you like Aion, great, but that doesn't mean that I have to also. And I'm using the term "you" for illustrative purposes as this isn't directed at anyone in particular.)
The character models in Aion are something that I absolutely detest, to be honest. The fluffy, angelic wings and the immaculate looking, incredibly effeminate male characters make me feel as if I'm playing as a character in some shojo-themed game. (No; it's not nearly as bad as, let's say, Mabinogi, but at least that game offered divergent paths for different play-styles.)
As far as the misogynist opinions conveyed by some here are concerned: I've killed countless guys in PvP, and most of them didn't even realize I was a female since I often play male characters just to avoid being treated differently or as if my gender somehow makes me an inferior player. While I've met some cool guys who treat me no differently than everyone else because I'm a female, I've found that there are those ones who belittle my accomplishments because of this also. In fact, when I achieved a high PvP rank in another MMO once, and was ranked within the top 50 players on the server, a guy in my guild remarked that it "must be a bug." Jealous much?
And, no, I'm not some butch in RL as some people like to assume when a girl is on par with the men in terms of skill in a predominately male hobby. I just exert the necessary effort it takes to become proficient in whatever task I'm trying to accomplish, be it PvP or otherwise.
As far as drama goes, I was never at the center of the drama in the guilds I've been a part of, and men were just as responsible as the women in my guild for igniting it in the first place.
For the tl;dr crowd: Don't assume that every person who has beaten you is in fact a male IRL. You might be surprised to learn otherwise. You'll never catch me playing a character that looks like Paris Hilton with her laced-corset and shiny, strappy stilettos. (And I absolutely REFUSED to buy Haris Pilton's bag when I used to play WoW. Little diva charged too damn much anyway.)
that's so true lol, probably more drama to be honest :x
We'll have to agree to disagree there. Not a hit on the ladies, but in mine and my best friends experiences with guilds it's usually been the women that have brought the drama and don't get me wrong some of it is the guys responding to the women that are in their guild, but all too often it's girl on girl drama.
I was always under the imperssion people just wanted a good game to play, didn't know it was all based on appearence.
If it was based on appearance, then Champions Online should have millions of customers right now.
and theres girls like me:) who well don't want look like paris hilton(in which she isn't pretty(all matter of opion) love the strappy and laced corsets, fits who I am rl. But I known a few who play male characters to get away from all that though. Its funny how most men when they a real girl playing, they suddenly get horny and all that... now that disgusts me. especialy the ones that name their characters "hard nipples" or something really stupid.
playing:Aion, shot online.
waiting for: Terra
Used to play:wow,EQ,EQ2,Rf Online, lineage II,Raganoke online.
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
It's not that, you're missing the point. It's that people want to play what makes them feel the most invested in their characters. For women, they like the idea of dressing up, maybe having certain makeup available, jewelry, hairstyles, then there is the fact the characters have wings. Things that women are just naturally interested in. I don't think guys care as much about the physical appearances of their characters or if they do, here in the western world, we prefer them far more rugged than easterners do.
It's all about character investment.
If it was based on appearance, then Champions Online should have millions of customers right now.
According to a few, the major appeal to this game for the female player base is the appearance of the game, my point is maybe that plays a small role in a females choice, and they are actually just seeking a "good fun" game to play.
I'm generally more attracted to girls in a game than I am to girls in real life. I just love their voices and start to fall in love. Then, there was this one girl that I met in real life from my guild; to this day, she's still my dream girl.
It's not that, you're missing the point. It's that people want to play what makes them feel the most invested in their characters. For women, they like the idea of dressing up, maybe having certain makeup available, jewelry, hairstyles, then there is the fact the characters have wings. Things that women are just naturally interested in. I don't think guys care as much about the physical appearances of their characters or if they do, here in the western world, we prefer them far more rugged than easterners do.
It's all about character investment.
Yes women do enjoy those things, but if you are to believe that is the primary choice they all choose Aion, I feel you are lost. That's pretty much a stereotype. They are no different, they just want a fun game.
Edit: Also I was always under the impression males actually cared about character investment to? Or am I mistaken?
Gotta love your honesty. I can't say that pixels really do it for me but I will say that the idea of having a gamer girlfriend seems like it would be pretty cool, well, so long as we both had systems.
Hey; whatever floats your boat.
I have no gripe with girls who play girl characters in laced corsets; that's your prerogative. I just get sick of being stereotyped, if you know what I mean.
And I'm totally with you on the second part of your post also. Although, when I have played female characters, most of the men I encountered were normal, average people who were indifferent to my gender--but the few who weren't drove me insane. I had one guy who wanted me to be his girlfriend (he was dead serious) after finding out I was a female IRL. Then cue the dozens of lewd comments tossed in my direction, and I was over it for good. Haven't played a female character since then (well, one, but I didn't take her too far).
I've made some great friends who are guys; they have no issue with the fact that I play male characters, and I always tell people once I get to know them. It weeds out the problematic individuals, which is my intent.
Rule 3: insert foot up your ass
Hmm. What Wolf and I were doing was using hyperbole and a bit of dramatic irony. Its the contrast between the understanding of the audience and the writer that makes it funny. We have humor out here in the south west. You should try it sometime.
Rule #3: I'd tell you to do the same, but apparently that space is currently occupied by your head.