I hate it. I hate the dumbing down it brung to the genre. I hate it because it brung a whole slew of kids, soccer moms and whiney people who dont want challenge. I hate it because it made MMO's go mainstream and in so doing, ruined what made them great. I hate it because most of the people who funded and got this genre going in the first place, has been overun and left out in the cold for games to play. And lets face it, it is a mcdonalds, wii, mentality. I consider those 11 million people to be the low and slow end of humanity.
That is.... so true, they're my feelings, minus the high end of humanity, it is still a game after all and even doing full time school and work I'd still play WoW full time too. I played the original release of WoW, even helped mold a server and a major guild. Things slowly began going downhill though, too easy to get places, too fast paced. The storyline slowly began to derail, too many "heros" walking around in the armor it took them barely any heart ache or difficulty to get aside from pushing 2 or 3 buttons over and over again. This post is just so true!
Seconded. As an old-school MMOer, I remember how when MMOs were a more niche market, the dynamics of both the players and the games themselves were much different. The market is now forced to follow the paradigm shift WoW created and MMOs haven't been the same.
My post was a response to the question put forth by the OP. It is my opinion and as such does not need to be validated by anyone here. My view of the game is just that. There is no denying that the wow community( its playerbase) is the worst of any game to date. On a whole, that playerbase is exactly what i described in earlier comments. Does that mean everyone who has or will ever play wow? No.
As i stated earlier, the reasonable reader will look at the game on a whole, look at the genre, look at the fanbase and see where i came to my conclusions and opinion.
My post was a response to the question put forth by the OP. It is my opinion and as such does not need to be validated by anyone here. My view of the game is just that. There is no denying that the wow community( its playerbase) is the worst of any game to date. On a whole, that playerbase is exactly what i described in earlier comments. Does that mean everyone who has or will ever play wow? No. As i stated earlier, the reasonable reader will look at the game on a whole, look at the genre, look at the fanbase and see where i came to my conclusions and opinion.
There are simply more idiots in wow because wow has more of everyone. If such a study could be made, I would bet that the % of morons in wow would be about the same as in the glory days of UO or EQ. Of course there is no way to prove this, but its my opinion on the matter.
I consider those 11 million people to be the low and slow end of humanity.
Whats more, even people who fell into the above type catagory are starting to wake up and ask for more.
That's a little harsh; don't you think?
Barrens Chat. 'Nuff said.
Is a frat party in college representative of everyone that goes to college? "Nuff said."
No. But the frat parties are what make the reputation of the student body. If a school becomes notorious for the amount and intensity of partying which takes place off campus and within the Greek System, it creates a rather unsavory reputation for the school. That is what causes colleges to pass Dry Campus regulations. Unfortunately, Blizzard doesn't regulate its playerbase as thoroughly as colleges regulate their student bodies. It's like the EULA is merely a polite suggestion. I've seen players on other MMOS banned for less than what goes on on WoW in a normal day.
My post was a response to the question put forth by the OP. It is my opinion and as such does not need to be validated by anyone here. My view of the game is just that. There is no denying that the wow community( its playerbase) is the worst of any game to date. On a whole, that playerbase is exactly what i described in earlier comments. Does that mean everyone who has or will ever play wow? No. As i stated earlier, the reasonable reader will look at the game on a whole, look at the genre, look at the fanbase and see where i came to my conclusions and opinion.
There are simply more idiots in wow because wow has more of everyone. If such a study could be made, I would bet that the % of morons in wow would be about the same as in the glory days of UO or EQ. Of course there is no way to prove this, but its my opinion on the matter.
True, but it's also the fault of Blizzard's GMs for not properly enforcing the EULA.
My post was a response to the question put forth by the OP. It is my opinion and as such does not need to be validated by anyone here. My view of the game is just that. There is no denying that the wow community( its playerbase) is the worst of any game to date. On a whole, that playerbase is exactly what i described in earlier comments. Does that mean everyone who has or will ever play wow? No. As i stated earlier, the reasonable reader will look at the game on a whole, look at the genre, look at the fanbase and see where i came to my conclusions and opinion.
There are simply more idiots in wow because wow has more of everyone. If such a study could be made, I would bet that the % of morons in wow would be about the same as in the glory days of UO or EQ. Of course there is no way to prove this, but its my opinion on the matter.
Even if that was the case, those people didnt dictate the state of the game or genre. With wow the tables have been turned and now "do" dictate the game and genre. That is the core of why most older MMO players are disparaged about.
My post was a response to the question put forth by the OP. It is my opinion and as such does not need to be validated by anyone here. My view of the game is just that. There is no denying that the wow community( its playerbase) is the worst of any game to date. On a whole, that playerbase is exactly what i described in earlier comments. Does that mean everyone who has or will ever play wow? No. As i stated earlier, the reasonable reader will look at the game on a whole, look at the genre, look at the fanbase and see where i came to my conclusions and opinion.
There are simply more idiots in wow because wow has more of everyone. If such a study could be made, I would bet that the % of morons in wow would be about the same as in the glory days of UO or EQ. Of course there is no way to prove this, but its my opinion on the matter.
Online gaming used to be the preserve of the slightly nerdy, geek or whatever, mostly through misunderstanding, i hope... but now its far more mainstream, and accessible, it was bound to bring in all sorts... and lots of them..
Making jokes generalising the population in wow is all fine and good, if done for comic effect, but to actually mean them is just ignorance, pure and simple.
About the evolution of the genre, yes costumers dictate where the product goes next, but I still see games like darkfall, mortal online and eve being developed, so I really dont think wow is paving a one way road to retard-land. you think wow is dumb? go try one of those other games.
There will always be more mainstream people then niche people, so expect to see more mainstream games than niche games. Throwing a fit because this is so will only leave you disappointed.
Making jokes generalising the population in wow is all fine and good, if done for comic effect, but to actually mean them is just ignorance, pure and simple. About the evolution of the genre, yes costumers dictate where the product goes next, but I still see games like darkfall, mortal online and eve being developed, so I really dont think wow is paving a one way road to retard-land. you think wow is dumb? go try one of those other games. There will always be more mainstream people then niche people, so expect to see more mainstream games than niche games. Throwing a fit because this is so will only leave you disappointed.
It sort of reminds me of the joke, 'you dont have to be stupid to play Wow.... but it helps!'
Making jokes generalising the population in wow is all fine and good, if done for comic effect, but to actually mean them is just ignorance, pure and simple. About the evolution of the genre, yes costumers dictate where the product goes next, but I still see games like darkfall, mortal online and eve being developed, so I really dont think wow is paving a one way road to retard-land. you think wow is dumb? go try one of those other games. There will always be more mainstream people then niche people, so expect to see more mainstream games than niche games. Throwing a fit because this is so will only leave you disappointed.
It sort of reminds me of the joke, 'you dont have to be stupid to play Wow.... but it helps!'
My post was a response to the question put forth by the OP. It is my opinion and as such does not need to be validated by anyone here. My view of the game is just that. There is no denying that the wow community( its playerbase) is the worst of any game to date. On a whole, that playerbase is exactly what i described in earlier comments. Does that mean everyone who has or will ever play wow? No. As i stated earlier, the reasonable reader will look at the game on a whole, look at the genre, look at the fanbase and see where i came to my conclusions and opinion.
I'm fully aware that your statements are based, solely, on opinion. There is little objectivity in this world. One could deny that the WOW community is not the worst to date. There are no facts here. It's all subjectivity. With that said; in a world where all we have is our opinions, one should consider all angles of any subject before drawing conclusion to ensure that they don't misrepresent their own thoughts. If you don't care about the validity of your own opinion then the alternative is to come across as an ignorant fool. If that is the way one chooses to behave, then so be it.
In the end, because I tire of this conversation, you seem to have retracted your insult, somewhat. So now, not all are low lives, only some. Your opinion on the game is your own but when you choose to, absurdly, insult a particular fanbase of a game you choose to dislike, you must assume that you will experience some feedback.
You can compare the haters to the right winged americans(republicans conservatives), sp much hate for things they dont understand.
See now this is the silliest most biased statement ever seen by man. I pity the child that cant keep his over anal political confirmation bias perspective out of a gaming thread. You already encompass the "i dont understand" crowd. Recommendation: Learn the 10 principles of conservatism, read up on conservative liberalism and liberal conservatism, and finally keep that kind of junk out of these kinds of websites or take it to the off topic section. Whats funny is you assume all the people involved in creating WoW are not right wing conservatives...for all you know they could be, or not.
That said: WoW is one of the most solidly designed and planned games to ever have been made. Blizzard did everything right (pun not intended) and are reaping the benefits.
Psst, Rabenwolf, we don't want them to know that, in fact, WoW was created by republican conservatives. If they were to know the truth, that WoW was created by republican conservatives in an attempt to keep the liberals 'occupied' and their focus off the white house and government politics and decision-making, during the Bush years, it would cause utter chaos!
Really, Rabenwolf, I appreciate your effort in trying to explain things, but I truly believe that you are just wasting your breath.
Whenever, I see one of these threads, for a minute I think, 'hey, I'll just post why I left WoW and my honest thoughts and feelings about the game', then it occurs to me that I forgot to smash my head up against the wall several times and pull my fingernails out one by one and that that would be more fun and less of a waste of time
My post was a response to the question put forth by the OP. It is my opinion and as such does not need to be validated by anyone here. My view of the game is just that. There is no denying that the wow community( its playerbase) is the worst of any game to date. On a whole, that playerbase is exactly what i described in earlier comments. Does that mean everyone who has or will ever play wow? No. As i stated earlier, the reasonable reader will look at the game on a whole, look at the genre, look at the fanbase and see where i came to my conclusions and opinion.
I'm fully aware that your statements are based, solely, on opinion. There is little objectivity in this world. One could deny that the WOW community is not the worst to date. There are no facts here. It's all subjectivity. With that said; in a world where all we have is our opinions, one should consider all angles of any subject before drawing conclusion to ensure that they don't misrepresent their own thoughts. If you don't care about the validity of your own opinion then the alternative is to come across as an ignorant fool. If that is the way one chooses to behave, then so be it.
In the end, because I tire of this conversation, you seem to have retracted your insult, somewhat. So now, not all are low lives, only some. Your opinion on the game is your own but when you choose to, absurdly, insult a particular fanbase of a game you choose to dislike, you must assume that you will experience some feedback.
Good day, sir.
Perhaps the offputting behavior of said fanbase was a contributor to peoples' disliking of said game, or at least a factor. Was that idea considered at all?
Wouldn't the logic (or lack thereof) of the OP make quite a few of the Asian based grind-to-death MMOs the "BEST MMO EVARRR"?
I hate to use this tired argument, but tired fallacies demand it. More people eat smushed, greasey, tasteless hamburgers than people eat nice juicey steaks.
The main good thing I see about WoW is that it is relatively bug-free and well polished. Beyond that, however, it seems to be lacking in any depth and imagination, at least in my eyes. I found WoW to be the jack of all trades, master of nothing. Really, there's no best MMO.
I find myself jumping from MMO to MMO every few months, just because they have something a bit different to offer than the other. The state of the MMO market is rather sad right now, and I can see why people dislike WoW for it. It has driven business men to do what business men do: copy proven methods that make cash.
As an old school. pre-wow mmorpg'er, most of my disdain for wow isnt directed at the game itself.
Sure the character modles are proportioned terribly and all look stupid, but thats the art, and after a while your coverd in so much equipment you forget how ugly you looked comming out of the character creation.
Sure you level fast, people associate this, falsely, with lack of difficulty. If you want a hard leveling experience, do it for free. Plenty of games offer mind numbing years of grind in order to reach an endgame consisting of you, a few botters, and GM's.
Wow did change the direction of where the genere was headed back in 2003, which was focused on group oriented grind and raids. Oddly enough the group oriented grind is there in wow, and is done well with this new cross server dungeon finder, however the focus was on end game pvp. The trip there was quick compared to the competition. This meant that once you hit level cap, you were opend to a very populated endgame. Over were the days of hitting endgame and rerolling a new toon that day.
The game runs solid, its keeps getting updates and expansions, there are tons of quests and content of all types.
It isnt the game its self that is the problem. Its what wow did and how its fans acted, that grew the hate directed at it.
Many pre wow games were drained dry by people leaving wow, scared of this the developers tried to make their games more like wow (eq2 and SWG ring any bells?) To top it off, since 2004, theres a good chance that in whatever game your playing/played there was a handful of wow players trying out your game, and hating it. No one wants to see in their game why another game is better and why the came you like sucks. It pisses people off.
Plus a lot of the new to the genere players, had no idea what it was really like starting a new mmorpg. Vets know it takes time, and you dont know shit when you walk into a new game. A lot of wow players, where were pros in wow, didnt get this, jumped into your game and started acting like a player in wow with 4 level 80s ect acts. It made all of us non-wow players to think " wow everyone who comes from wow acts like this, they cant figure out how to play this game, and they talk so much shit about my game"
I remember playing Anarchy online and on more than one occasion after helping a player out (which was the endgame before wow came along tbh) i was told how i should just play wow with him, hes got X amt of level 60's (was before BC) and anyway "this game sucks compared to wow"...the nerve i thought...cant figure out AO but your a badass in wow....
This is where the animosity grew. It was never much about the game itself. Also you got a lot of people angry that there isnt this pvp/sandbox purest game out. They dont understand how few people want FFA full loot massive skill system no level games with heavy dependance on crafting and playerhousing. Most people want a game they can play (while employed ect) have fun, pvp and group in. Wow caters to this crowd, does it well, and has reaped the benefits of "bucking the trend in 2004".
This is comming from someone who is anything but a wow fanboi, its more true than the nit picking reasons why people hate wow, and it makes some people angry that this game, is so damn popular.
Sorry, for as much as i like other mmorpgs you have to give respect.
As an old school. pre-wow mmorpg'er, most of my disdain for wow isnt directed at the game itself. Sure the character modles are proportioned terribly and all look stupid, but thats the art, and after a while your coverd in so much equipment you forget how ugly you looked comming out of the character creation. Sure you level fast, people associate this, falsely, with lack of difficulty. If you want a hard leveling experience, do it for free. Plenty of games offer mind numbing years of grind in order to reach an endgame consisting of you, a few botters, and GM's. Wow did change the direction of where the genere was headed back in 2003, which was focused on group oriented grind and raids. Oddly enough the group oriented grind is there in wow, and is done well with this new cross server dungeon finder, however the focus was on end game pvp. The trip there was quick compared to the competition. This meant that once you hit level cap, you were opend to a very populated endgame. Over were the days of hitting endgame and rerolling a new toon that day. The game runs solid, its keeps getting updates and expansions, there are tons of quests and content of all types. It isnt the game its self that is the problem. Its what wow did and how its fans acted, that grew the hate directed at it. Many pre wow games were drained dry by people leaving wow, scared of this the developers tried to make their games more like wow (eq2 and SWG ring any bells?) To top it off, since 2004, theres a good chance that in whatever game your playing/played there was a handful of wow players trying out your game, and hating it. No one wants to see in their game why another game is better and why the came you like sucks. It pisses people off. Plus a lot of the new to the genere players, had no idea what it was really like starting a new mmorpg. Vets know it takes time, and you dont know shit when you walk into a new game. A lot of wow players, where were pros in wow, didnt get this, jumped into your game and started acting like a player in wow with 4 level 80s ect acts. It made all of us non-wow players to think " wow everyone who comes from wow acts like this, they cant figure out how to play this game, and they talk so much shit about my game" I remember playing Anarchy online and on more than one occasion after helping a player out (which was the endgame before wow came along tbh) i was told how i should just play wow with him, hes got X amt of level 60's (was before BC) and anyway "this game sucks compared to wow"...the nerve i thought...cant figure out AO but your a badass in wow.... This is where the animosity grew. It was never much about the game itself. Also you got a lot of people angry that there isnt this pvp/sandbox purest game out. They dont understand how few people want FFA full loot massive skill system no level games with heavy dependance on crafting and playerhousing. Most people want a game they can play (while employed ect) have fun, pvp and group in. Wow caters to this crowd, does it well, and has reaped the benefits of "bucking the trend in 2004". This is comming from someone who is anything but a wow fanboi, its more true than the nit picking reasons why people hate wow, and it makes some people angry that this game, is so damn popular. Sorry, for as much as i like other mmorpgs you have to give respect.
During Aion Open Beta, you would have non-stop spams in chat about how "Aion sucked compared to wow" and how "Aion would be great if it had X features from WoW."
The response would invariably be, "Go Play WoW then, why are you here." It didn't matter, the spams continued and the comparisons never died. Until now, the only people left are the ones that like Aion for what it is. They don't expect anything more or less than what is reasonable.
Anytime a new MMO comes out, it will be the same, the first few months you will have "Wow is better" crowd trying out the game. Then they will leave. It's a matter of justing waiting it out. The worst part is, some developers try to keep the WoW transplants from leaving by changing the game. For example, in Aion you have double xp weekends which is a direct response to "It takes too long to lvl in Aion and it's grindy."
There was a post in here about how developers have it all wrong. They think they can tap into WoW commercial success by making their games similar to WoW. But you can never really duplicate anything and even if you can, it's no longer new to the people who've tried and enjoyed the original. The only true solution is to have a company that says "F U WoW" I'm doing i tmy own way. Eve is one, and I believe FFXIV will be the other.
bah - wow bashing .... it's a great game - full servers, easy to group, choice of guilds to join (or run), tons of content are there some annoying little kids playing? sure, thats what 'ignore' if for
i just wish wow raised the ignore player list to 200 player
My post was a response to the question put forth by the OP. It is my opinion and as such does not need to be validated by anyone here. My view of the game is just that. There is no denying that the wow community( its playerbase) is the worst of any game to date. On a whole, that playerbase is exactly what i described in earlier comments. Does that mean everyone who has or will ever play wow? No. As i stated earlier, the reasonable reader will look at the game on a whole, look at the genre, look at the fanbase and see where i came to my conclusions and opinion.
I'm fully aware that your statements are based, solely, on opinion. There is little objectivity in this world. One could deny that the WOW community is not the worst to date. There are no facts here. It's all subjectivity. With that said; in a world where all we have is our opinions, one should consider all angles of any subject before drawing conclusion to ensure that they don't misrepresent their own thoughts. If you don't care about the validity of your own opinion then the alternative is to come across as an ignorant fool. If that is the way one chooses to behave, then so be it.
In the end, because I tire of this conversation, you seem to have retracted your insult, somewhat. So now, not all are low lives, only some. Your opinion on the game is your own but when you choose to, absurdly, insult a particular fanbase of a game you choose to dislike, you must assume that you will experience some feedback.
Good day, sir.
Perhaps the offputting behavior of said fanbase was a contributor to peoples' disliking of said game, or at least a factor. Was that idea considered at all?
Perhaps it's hard to generalize a fanbase that large? Was that idea considered at all?
In other words.. if you seriously think there is some unified 'wow fanbase' or consensus among the players you are full of fool.
There are countries smaller than the wow population, would you seriously think every single person in a country thinks the same and has the same viewpoints?
If someone says something you don't like, or exhibits offputting behaviour or whetever you'd like to call it.. Hold it against that person, not everyone who happens to play the same game they do. Prejudice is for the stupid.
My post was a response to the question put forth by the OP. It is my opinion and as such does not need to be validated by anyone here. My view of the game is just that. There is no denying that the wow community( its playerbase) is the worst of any game to date. On a whole, that playerbase is exactly what i described in earlier comments. Does that mean everyone who has or will ever play wow? No. As i stated earlier, the reasonable reader will look at the game on a whole, look at the genre, look at the fanbase and see where i came to my conclusions and opinion.
I'm fully aware that your statements are based, solely, on opinion. There is little objectivity in this world. One could deny that the WOW community is not the worst to date. There are no facts here. It's all subjectivity. With that said; in a world where all we have is our opinions, one should consider all angles of any subject before drawing conclusion to ensure that they don't misrepresent their own thoughts. If you don't care about the validity of your own opinion then the alternative is to come across as an ignorant fool. If that is the way one chooses to behave, then so be it.
In the end, because I tire of this conversation, you seem to have retracted your insult, somewhat. So now, not all are low lives, only some. Your opinion on the game is your own but when you choose to, absurdly, insult a particular fanbase of a game you choose to dislike, you must assume that you will experience some feedback.
Good day, sir.
oh lord, lol @ the idea of a wow community.
Try gaming community. You do know that many of us that play wow happen to play other mmo's right??
My post was a response to the question put forth by the OP. It is my opinion and as such does not need to be validated by anyone here. My view of the game is just that. There is no denying that the wow community( its playerbase) is the worst of any game to date. On a whole, that playerbase is exactly what i described in earlier comments. Does that mean everyone who has or will ever play wow? No. As i stated earlier, the reasonable reader will look at the game on a whole, look at the genre, look at the fanbase and see where i came to my conclusions and opinion.
I'm fully aware that your statements are based, solely, on opinion. There is little objectivity in this world. One could deny that the WOW community is not the worst to date. There are no facts here. It's all subjectivity. With that said; in a world where all we have is our opinions, one should consider all angles of any subject before drawing conclusion to ensure that they don't misrepresent their own thoughts. If you don't care about the validity of your own opinion then the alternative is to come across as an ignorant fool. If that is the way one chooses to behave, then so be it.
In the end, because I tire of this conversation, you seem to have retracted your insult, somewhat. So now, not all are low lives, only some. Your opinion on the game is your own but when you choose to, absurdly, insult a particular fanbase of a game you choose to dislike, you must assume that you will experience some feedback.
Good day, sir.
oh lord, lol @ the idea of a wow community.
Try gaming community. You do know that many of us that play wow happen to play other mmo's right??
so you can't be part of a community if you play other games? Says you?
Originally posted by crunchyblack Many pre wow games were drained dry by people leaving wow
Oh, let me guess: because they were inferior compared to it? :-) What did you expect then? Hardly anyone wants to move from a golden palace to slums, but the other way round it works just perfectly.
scared of this the developers tried to make their games more like wow (eq2 and SWG
Fail. Both EQ2 and SWG were released before WoW.
No one wants to see in their game why another game is better and why the came you like sucks...
...says a WoW hater who is trolling a WoW forum. No comments.
P.S. Why, why are the haters so annoyingly ignorant...
MMORPG genre is dead. Long live MMOCS (Massively Multiplayer Online Cash Shop).
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That's a little harsh; don't you think?
Barrens Chat. 'Nuff said.
Is a frat party in college representative of everyone that goes to college? "Nuff said."
Seconded. As an old-school MMOer, I remember how when MMOs were a more niche market, the dynamics of both the players and the games themselves were much different. The market is now forced to follow the paradigm shift WoW created and MMOs haven't been the same.
My post was a response to the question put forth by the OP. It is my opinion and as such does not need to be validated by anyone here. My view of the game is just that. There is no denying that the wow community( its playerbase) is the worst of any game to date. On a whole, that playerbase is exactly what i described in earlier comments. Does that mean everyone who has or will ever play wow? No.
As i stated earlier, the reasonable reader will look at the game on a whole, look at the genre, look at the fanbase and see where i came to my conclusions and opinion.
There are simply more idiots in wow because wow has more of everyone. If such a study could be made, I would bet that the % of morons in wow would be about the same as in the glory days of UO or EQ. Of course there is no way to prove this, but its my opinion on the matter.
That's a little harsh; don't you think?
Barrens Chat. 'Nuff said.
Is a frat party in college representative of everyone that goes to college? "Nuff said."
No. But the frat parties are what make the reputation of the student body. If a school becomes notorious for the amount and intensity of partying which takes place off campus and within the Greek System, it creates a rather unsavory reputation for the school. That is what causes colleges to pass Dry Campus regulations. Unfortunately, Blizzard doesn't regulate its playerbase as thoroughly as colleges regulate their student bodies. It's like the EULA is merely a polite suggestion. I've seen players on other MMOS banned for less than what goes on on WoW in a normal day.
There are simply more idiots in wow because wow has more of everyone. If such a study could be made, I would bet that the % of morons in wow would be about the same as in the glory days of UO or EQ. Of course there is no way to prove this, but its my opinion on the matter.
True, but it's also the fault of Blizzard's GMs for not properly enforcing the EULA.
There are simply more idiots in wow because wow has more of everyone. If such a study could be made, I would bet that the % of morons in wow would be about the same as in the glory days of UO or EQ. Of course there is no way to prove this, but its my opinion on the matter.
Even if that was the case, those people didnt dictate the state of the game or genre. With wow the tables have been turned and now "do" dictate the game and genre. That is the core of why most older MMO players are disparaged about.
There are simply more idiots in wow because wow has more of everyone. If such a study could be made, I would bet that the % of morons in wow would be about the same as in the glory days of UO or EQ. Of course there is no way to prove this, but its my opinion on the matter.
Online gaming used to be the preserve of the slightly nerdy, geek or whatever, mostly through misunderstanding, i hope... but now its far more mainstream, and accessible, it was bound to bring in all sorts... and lots of them..
Making jokes generalising the population in wow is all fine and good, if done for comic effect, but to actually mean them is just ignorance, pure and simple.
About the evolution of the genre, yes costumers dictate where the product goes next, but I still see games like darkfall, mortal online and eve being developed, so I really dont think wow is paving a one way road to retard-land. you think wow is dumb? go try one of those other games.
There will always be more mainstream people then niche people, so expect to see more mainstream games than niche games. Throwing a fit because this is so will only leave you disappointed.
It sort of reminds me of the joke, 'you dont have to be stupid to play Wow.... but it helps!'
It sort of reminds me of the joke, 'you dont have to be stupid to play Wow.... but it helps!'
Haha! =D
You two have made my point. That joke is funny why?
I'm fully aware that your statements are based, solely, on opinion. There is little objectivity in this world. One could deny that the WOW community is not the worst to date. There are no facts here. It's all subjectivity. With that said; in a world where all we have is our opinions, one should consider all angles of any subject before drawing conclusion to ensure that they don't misrepresent their own thoughts. If you don't care about the validity of your own opinion then the alternative is to come across as an ignorant fool. If that is the way one chooses to behave, then so be it.
In the end, because I tire of this conversation, you seem to have retracted your insult, somewhat. So now, not all are low lives, only some. Your opinion on the game is your own but when you choose to, absurdly, insult a particular fanbase of a game you choose to dislike, you must assume that you will experience some feedback.
Good day, sir.
Because there are alot of idiots playing wow. Like I said, generalising for comic effect is fine. Generalising as a statement of fact is usually not.
See now this is the silliest most biased statement ever seen by man. I pity the child that cant keep his over anal political confirmation bias perspective out of a gaming thread. You already encompass the "i dont understand" crowd. Recommendation: Learn the 10 principles of conservatism, read up on conservative liberalism and liberal conservatism, and finally keep that kind of junk out of these kinds of websites or take it to the off topic section. Whats funny is you assume all the people involved in creating WoW are not right wing conservatives...for all you know they could be, or not.
That said: WoW is one of the most solidly designed and planned games to ever have been made. Blizzard did everything right (pun not intended) and are reaping the benefits.
Psst, Rabenwolf, we don't want them to know that, in fact, WoW was created by republican conservatives. If they were to know the truth, that WoW was created by republican conservatives in an attempt to keep the liberals 'occupied' and their focus off the white house and government politics and decision-making, during the Bush years, it would cause utter chaos!
Really, Rabenwolf, I appreciate your effort in trying to explain things, but I truly believe that you are just wasting your breath.
Whenever, I see one of these threads, for a minute I think, 'hey, I'll just post why I left WoW and my honest thoughts and feelings about the game', then it occurs to me that I forgot to smash my head up against the wall several times and pull my fingernails out one by one and that that would be more fun and less of a waste of time
Your fail comment, failed.
I'm fully aware that your statements are based, solely, on opinion. There is little objectivity in this world. One could deny that the WOW community is not the worst to date. There are no facts here. It's all subjectivity. With that said; in a world where all we have is our opinions, one should consider all angles of any subject before drawing conclusion to ensure that they don't misrepresent their own thoughts. If you don't care about the validity of your own opinion then the alternative is to come across as an ignorant fool. If that is the way one chooses to behave, then so be it.
In the end, because I tire of this conversation, you seem to have retracted your insult, somewhat. So now, not all are low lives, only some. Your opinion on the game is your own but when you choose to, absurdly, insult a particular fanbase of a game you choose to dislike, you must assume that you will experience some feedback.
Good day, sir.
Perhaps the offputting behavior of said fanbase was a contributor to peoples' disliking of said game, or at least a factor. Was that idea considered at all?
Wouldn't the logic (or lack thereof) of the OP make quite a few of the Asian based grind-to-death MMOs the "BEST MMO EVARRR"?
I hate to use this tired argument, but tired fallacies demand it. More people eat smushed, greasey, tasteless hamburgers than people eat nice juicey steaks.
The main good thing I see about WoW is that it is relatively bug-free and well polished. Beyond that, however, it seems to be lacking in any depth and imagination, at least in my eyes. I found WoW to be the jack of all trades, master of nothing. Really, there's no best MMO.
I find myself jumping from MMO to MMO every few months, just because they have something a bit different to offer than the other. The state of the MMO market is rather sad right now, and I can see why people dislike WoW for it. It has driven business men to do what business men do: copy proven methods that make cash.
As an old school. pre-wow mmorpg'er, most of my disdain for wow isnt directed at the game itself.
Sure the character modles are proportioned terribly and all look stupid, but thats the art, and after a while your coverd in so much equipment you forget how ugly you looked comming out of the character creation.
Sure you level fast, people associate this, falsely, with lack of difficulty. If you want a hard leveling experience, do it for free. Plenty of games offer mind numbing years of grind in order to reach an endgame consisting of you, a few botters, and GM's.
Wow did change the direction of where the genere was headed back in 2003, which was focused on group oriented grind and raids. Oddly enough the group oriented grind is there in wow, and is done well with this new cross server dungeon finder, however the focus was on end game pvp. The trip there was quick compared to the competition. This meant that once you hit level cap, you were opend to a very populated endgame. Over were the days of hitting endgame and rerolling a new toon that day.
The game runs solid, its keeps getting updates and expansions, there are tons of quests and content of all types.
It isnt the game its self that is the problem. Its what wow did and how its fans acted, that grew the hate directed at it.
Many pre wow games were drained dry by people leaving wow, scared of this the developers tried to make their games more like wow (eq2 and SWG ring any bells?) To top it off, since 2004, theres a good chance that in whatever game your playing/played there was a handful of wow players trying out your game, and hating it. No one wants to see in their game why another game is better and why the came you like sucks. It pisses people off.
Plus a lot of the new to the genere players, had no idea what it was really like starting a new mmorpg. Vets know it takes time, and you dont know shit when you walk into a new game. A lot of wow players, where were pros in wow, didnt get this, jumped into your game and started acting like a player in wow with 4 level 80s ect acts. It made all of us non-wow players to think " wow everyone who comes from wow acts like this, they cant figure out how to play this game, and they talk so much shit about my game"
I remember playing Anarchy online and on more than one occasion after helping a player out (which was the endgame before wow came along tbh) i was told how i should just play wow with him, hes got X amt of level 60's (was before BC) and anyway "this game sucks compared to wow"...the nerve i thought...cant figure out AO but your a badass in wow....
This is where the animosity grew. It was never much about the game itself. Also you got a lot of people angry that there isnt this pvp/sandbox purest game out. They dont understand how few people want FFA full loot massive skill system no level games with heavy dependance on crafting and playerhousing. Most people want a game they can play (while employed ect) have fun, pvp and group in. Wow caters to this crowd, does it well, and has reaped the benefits of "bucking the trend in 2004".
This is comming from someone who is anything but a wow fanboi, its more true than the nit picking reasons why people hate wow, and it makes some people angry that this game, is so damn popular.
Sorry, for as much as i like other mmorpgs you have to give respect.
During Aion Open Beta, you would have non-stop spams in chat about how "Aion sucked compared to wow" and how "Aion would be great if it had X features from WoW."
The response would invariably be, "Go Play WoW then, why are you here." It didn't matter, the spams continued and the comparisons never died. Until now, the only people left are the ones that like Aion for what it is. They don't expect anything more or less than what is reasonable.
Anytime a new MMO comes out, it will be the same, the first few months you will have "Wow is better" crowd trying out the game. Then they will leave. It's a matter of justing waiting it out. The worst part is, some developers try to keep the WoW transplants from leaving by changing the game. For example, in Aion you have double xp weekends which is a direct response to "It takes too long to lvl in Aion and it's grindy."
There was a post in here about how developers have it all wrong. They think they can tap into WoW commercial success by making their games similar to WoW. But you can never really duplicate anything and even if you can, it's no longer new to the people who've tried and enjoyed the original. The only true solution is to have a company that says "F U WoW" I'm doing i tmy own way. Eve is one, and I believe FFXIV will be the other.
bah - wow bashing ....
it's a great game - full servers, easy to group, choice of guilds to join (or run), tons of content
are there some annoying little kids playing? sure, thats what 'ignore' if for
i just wish wow raised the ignore player list to 200 player
I'm fully aware that your statements are based, solely, on opinion. There is little objectivity in this world. One could deny that the WOW community is not the worst to date. There are no facts here. It's all subjectivity. With that said; in a world where all we have is our opinions, one should consider all angles of any subject before drawing conclusion to ensure that they don't misrepresent their own thoughts. If you don't care about the validity of your own opinion then the alternative is to come across as an ignorant fool. If that is the way one chooses to behave, then so be it.
In the end, because I tire of this conversation, you seem to have retracted your insult, somewhat. So now, not all are low lives, only some. Your opinion on the game is your own but when you choose to, absurdly, insult a particular fanbase of a game you choose to dislike, you must assume that you will experience some feedback.
Good day, sir.
Perhaps the offputting behavior of said fanbase was a contributor to peoples' disliking of said game, or at least a factor. Was that idea considered at all?
Perhaps it's hard to generalize a fanbase that large? Was that idea considered at all?
In other words.. if you seriously think there is some unified 'wow fanbase' or consensus among the players you are full of fool.
There are countries smaller than the wow population, would you seriously think every single person in a country thinks the same and has the same viewpoints?
If someone says something you don't like, or exhibits offputting behaviour or whetever you'd like to call it.. Hold it against that person, not everyone who happens to play the same game they do. Prejudice is for the stupid.
I'm fully aware that your statements are based, solely, on opinion. There is little objectivity in this world. One could deny that the WOW community is not the worst to date. There are no facts here. It's all subjectivity. With that said; in a world where all we have is our opinions, one should consider all angles of any subject before drawing conclusion to ensure that they don't misrepresent their own thoughts. If you don't care about the validity of your own opinion then the alternative is to come across as an ignorant fool. If that is the way one chooses to behave, then so be it.
In the end, because I tire of this conversation, you seem to have retracted your insult, somewhat. So now, not all are low lives, only some. Your opinion on the game is your own but when you choose to, absurdly, insult a particular fanbase of a game you choose to dislike, you must assume that you will experience some feedback.
Good day, sir.
oh lord, lol @ the idea of a wow community.
Try gaming community. You do know that many of us that play wow happen to play other mmo's right??
I'm fully aware that your statements are based, solely, on opinion. There is little objectivity in this world. One could deny that the WOW community is not the worst to date. There are no facts here. It's all subjectivity. With that said; in a world where all we have is our opinions, one should consider all angles of any subject before drawing conclusion to ensure that they don't misrepresent their own thoughts. If you don't care about the validity of your own opinion then the alternative is to come across as an ignorant fool. If that is the way one chooses to behave, then so be it.
In the end, because I tire of this conversation, you seem to have retracted your insult, somewhat. So now, not all are low lives, only some. Your opinion on the game is your own but when you choose to, absurdly, insult a particular fanbase of a game you choose to dislike, you must assume that you will experience some feedback.
Good day, sir.
oh lord, lol @ the idea of a wow community.
Try gaming community. You do know that many of us that play wow happen to play other mmo's right??
so you can't be part of a community if you play other games? Says you?
Fail. Both EQ2 and SWG were released before WoW.
...says a WoW hater who is trolling a WoW forum. No comments.
P.S. Why, why are the haters so annoyingly ignorant...
MMORPG genre is dead. Long live MMOCS (Massively Multiplayer Online Cash Shop).