whatever you say dude might want to come down off your high horse there and stop being a hypocrit if i pass my opinion off as fact was not my intention but you are just as guilty. so piss off with you morality
Hm, do you have anything to prove yourself with? As far as I'm aware, I'm not the guilty of doing the same thing.
of course your not guilty of doing the same thing your prfect arent ya. i am now done talking to the two wall people who cant see past their own arrogance. good day have a nice life. WTF is high fantasy anyways sheesh by his argument there is no such thing as sci fi everything is high fantasy as every movie ever made fits his criteria.
One of the websites' I found stated that High Fantasy was this:
High Fantasy or Epic Fantasy is one of the subgenres of fantasy fiction. It is the largest part of the genre being published today. Epic fantasies are characterized by long involved plots, a secondary world and two basic themes.
Most High Fantasy books have long involved plots. Many of the books are trilogies or longer series. This allows for the development of characters, grand settings and sweeping stories with multiple subplots. This gives a challenge to the reader to do some serious consideration of the themes.
High fantasy usually takes place in a secondary world that involves magic and strange beings. It uses noble characters, archetypes and elevated style. Writers either ignore our world, set the secondary world in some relationship with ours or use a world-within-a-world technique. Stories use a commoner hero that rises to the occasion or a morally ambivalent hero who can't decide between good and evil.
High Fantasy works mostly with two themes. One theme is the struggle for supremecy between good and evil, light and darkness, order and chaos. The other major theme is the quest. A quest is a search for a magical object or person which can save the world. Quests are always toward something; they are a spiritual or religious undertaking.
Thank you very much for your research and explanation. It all makes sense my confusion comes from what appears to me is that sometimes one genre can bleed into the other. ANd well my confusion also comes from being up way to early and the brain not functioning. I also appreciate you being civil even though i was not.
First off, yes I am looking forward to FFXIV, FFXI was the first game I played outside Gemstone (p2p MUD if you havent heard of it..) and I had playing it since 1998. FFXI was a great game for many years, but its grown boring for myself and many others. It has always catered to PVE related gamers, which SE said was to "keep the group experience of the other FF games," or something like that. With that in mind: older gamers like myself played the old NES/SNES FF games and other SE titles, and enjoy the mostly older games like FF1-FF6, others enjoy the newer games after FF7. "OMG we are getting Sprint Shoes," was some of the comments you would say when relics were announced.
That being said, alot of the people who look forward to FF14 are FF11 gamers. There are also people who have never played a FF game at all. SE has released close to none information about how the game will work, which makes it in general hard to get excited about. I was waiting for STO, but seeing how it turned out, I really don't want to play it anymore. And while yes, this will be a more PVE-oriented game, SE has stated it isnt going to be as time-consuming as FFXI was, you can solo or group up at your leisure.
that was pretty clever. now lets be honest here it doesn't matter in the least what i say you aren't going to change your opinion like i will not change mine. I will freely admit i know very little about this game. I can only base it based on my experience with SE games which i have not enjoyed in the least. Am i guilty of generalising against SE deffinatly but with my other options im not taking the chance and buying it. The last few i have attempted to play i stopped after less than an hour of playing. They did not suit my gaming tastes. I do 100% disagree with this being the most anticipated game. I can base this on my opinon and the opinion of the gaming community im a menber of. I can with confidence say non of which have any itching to play FF. No i offer my apologie to those i have insulted i do tend to get cranky before my mornings 3rd cup of joe. As to the high fantasy vs Sci fi. I can with no insult intended say that i really don't care what the differewnce is, it really has no validity to what i was saying. maybe if i had said 1of the biggest light sci fi franchises and one of the biggest high fantasy franchises it would have been correct. But it really just takes away from the point i was trying to make that IMO Star Wars and Star Trek have a much larger fanbase than FF.
You can't say that for sure. It has happened a lot of times before, but simply saying words is meaningless. You need to have something concrete as well. When you get into argument if you have the attitude that "I am right and he is wrong no matter what" you are missing the whole point of the argument. But if you have the attitude of "either I learn something from this argument, my opponent does, or in best case we both will" then you're much better off. But without anything concrete from either side, we can not reach any conclusion, but only go in circles repeating the same thing.
However, that last reply is much better than the last ones. I am quite certain that Star Trek and SW have much bigger overall fanbase than FF (In the west) if only simply because they branch off to more media than just games. Still, I don't think the IP is the deciding factor here, nor it should be. You can be a fan of SW, but not like the direction TOR is taking, and instead prefer what XIV has t offer. Or the opposite.
Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
Not a problem at all. If we all could just share our thoughts, information, etc, then we all can get a better understanding. By no means do I want to change anyone's opinion. I love the FF series, and have played almost every game released in the US on console as well as FFXI. Just like other games and MMOs I've played, I have my quirks and irks with some aspects of FF games/MMO, but I do look forwad to FFXIV and can not wait until release. That being said, I'm sorry that the FF games you played did not suit your tastes or gaming needs. It is understandable if you do not want to play FFXIV because of such. Sometimes when you try something new, and it doesn't meet your expectations, you're hesitant to try anything of the sort again. While some people consider it closed minded, and in a since it can be depending on the situation, some consider it safe. FFXIV is not f2p, so as you stated, why waste your hard earned money on something you feel you would not enjoy just for the slight chance that you might? I'm glad for those here who are highly anticipating the game such as myself. But, I'm also glad for those here who've spoken their minds about their own anticipations for other games releasing in 2010.
that was pretty clever. now lets be honest here it doesn't matter in the least what i say you aren't going to change your opinion like i will not change mine. I will freely admit i know very little about this game. I can only base it based on my experience with SE games which i have not enjoyed in the least. Am i guilty of generalising against SE deffinatly but with my other options im not taking the chance and buying it. The last few i have attempted to play i stopped after less than an hour of playing. They did not suit my gaming tastes. I do 100% disagree with this being the most anticipated game. I can base this on my opinon and the opinion of the gaming community im a menber of. I can with confidence say non of which have any itching to play FF. No i offer my apologie to those i have insulted i do tend to get cranky before my mornings 3rd cup of joe. As to the high fantasy vs Sci fi. I can with no insult intended say that i really don't care what the differewnce is, it really has no validity to what i was saying. maybe if i had said 1of the biggest light sci fi franchises and one of the biggest high fantasy franchises it would have been correct. But it really just takes away from the point i was trying to make that IMO Star Wars and Star Trek have a much larger fanbase than FF.
You can't say that for sure. It has happened a lot of times before, but simply saying words is meaningless. You need to have something concrete as well. When you get into argument if you have the attitude that "I am right and he is wrong no matter what" you are missing the whole point of the argument. But if you have the attitude of "either I learn something from this argument, my opponent does, or in best case we both will" then you're much better off. But without anything concrete from either side, we can not reach any conclusion, but only go in circles repeating the same thing.
However, that last reply is much better than the last ones. I am quite certain that Star Trek and SW have much bigger overall fanbase than FF (In the west) if only simply because they branch off to more media than just games. Still, I don't think the IP is the deciding factor here, nor it should be. You can be a fan of SW, but not like the direction TOR is taking, and instead prefer what XIV has t offer. Or the opposite.
That is all very true both those IP may put off original fans or they may draw in people who normally don't play MMO's. Only time will tell. Myself i am a huge Star Trek fan more so than star wars. And they will have to screw it up pretty bad to put me off. ALot of people here complain about it they may have valid reasons in their own way. Personally i have a wait and see attitude.
That is all very true both those IP may put off original fans or they may draw in people who normally don't play MMO's. Only time will tell. Myself i am a huge Star Trek fan more so than star wars. And they will have to screw it up pretty bad to put me off. ALot of people here complain about it they may have valid reasons in their own way. Personally i have a wait and see attitude.
Hopefully the game will do justice to the franchise, then.
Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
Yes, STO has great potential, but from youtube videos and word of mouth it doesn't sound like they are going to live up to what was posted on the STO forums. I've heard the game was rushed into production after being bought, or something of that nature. I couldn't find out anything on the STO forums...maybe it was just a rumor, I'm not sure. I'm hoping Stargate Worlds turns out better, if it ever comes out.
First off nothing but crap has been comming out of square the last few years and they need to let final fantasy die i mean 14 games none of them any good like seriously let it die. As for PVE i love PVE hate PVP but i still would rather not play anything than this game. Point i am trying to make over all is that you have 2 of the biggest sci fi franchises ever both comming out with MMO in 2010 and this crappy FF14 gets most anticipated i seriously dount it. who did they poll a buch of 12yr olds geez. As for popularity who cares 14 friggin games and i dont know anyone who has played any of them or wants to
Wow what a whine-fest.
You're unhappy that a game you don't like was chosen and you're feeling very emo about it. Got it.
As for the last statement about "popularity" and 14 games... and you not knowing anyone who has played or wants to? First of all... There are 14 games - not to mention a number of spin-offs - *because* the franchise is popular and a lot of people *do* play it. See, that's kinda how it works.
As for not knowing anyone who plays... Seriously? So what do they call this little bubble world you live in? Or, do you limit yourself to only associating with people who don't like FF games? Or... maybe you're full of crap and pulled that entire bit out of your ass? Or maybe you thought by making such a strong statement, it would give your post more "oomph" (it didn't)?
I've lived and worked in 6 states and 12 different countries and don't know of a single person or co-worker who plays these games. I have met people in London, Rio de Janiero, Bejing and Copenhagen who play Everquest or WoW, though. If anyone lives in a bubble it's the people who say "all of my friends played at least some of the FF games", not the other way around.
So... you've asked every single person you've worked with in all 6 states and 12 countries you've been in if they play Final Fantasy, to be able to say for certain that they don't? Do you make it a habit of asking people everywhere you go if they play the games, or otherwise bring it up in conversation?
I work with ~150 other people on a day to day basis... I don't know of a single one of them who plays Final Fantasy, or has ever played one, either. But you know what? I've never actually *asked* any of them, much less all of them.
So, it would be pretty silly for me to say "I work with ~150 people and I don't know of a single one of them who plays the Final Fantasy games"
Funny thing is... I don't know another person I work with who eats Sushi. Of the ~150 I work with, I've asked 2 and they don't eat it. So, by your logic, that would mean it's safe for me to assume that no one I work with eats sushi because they've never said they do?
Is there some strange greeting I should expect, like "Hi.. I'm Tom, I eat Sushi", or "Hi, I'm Jim, I play Final Fantasy"?
If it seems like I'm making fun of your logic... It's because I am.
And that said... what exactly is that supposed to prove? Are you implying the FF series isn't popular? Not really sure you'd want to go there based entirely on the lack of people you've worked with telling you they play. Here's some facts about the Final Fantasy series which no one you know of has played...
"The series has been commercially and critically successful; it is Square Enix's best selling video game franchise, with more than 85 million units sold, and one of the best-selling video game franchises. Second to Final Fantasy among Square Enix franchises is Dragon Quest. It was awarded a star on the Walk of Game in 2006, and holds seven Guinness World Records in the Guinness World Records Gamer's Edition 2008. The series is well known for its innovation, visuals, and music, such as the inclusion of full motion videos, photo-realistic character models, and orchestrated music by Nobuo Uematsu. Final Fantasy has been a driving force in the video game industry. The video game series has affected Square's business practices and its relationships with other video game developers. It has also introduced many features now common in console RPGs and has been credited with helping to popularize RPGs in markets outside Japan."
So... a game series with more than 85 million units sold, held seven Guinness World Records as of 2008 and is credited as popularizing and influencing the RPG genre outside of Japan isn't all that popular because no one you've talked to in your world-wide travels has mentioned that they play it.
Really.
Yes, now that I think of it, I do believe you willfully live in a self-imposed bubble.
But hey... to each their own.
Oh and, by the by, there's nothing unusual about having friends who've all played any of the FF series, if all your friends happen to be gamers who share a taste in gaming.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
I've heard a lot of people say that only ffxi gamers will be interest in this game and that pc rpg fans wont be. Well it's not true. I played and didn't like ffxi but I'm very excited about 14. I also play both console and pc RPGS. My gf hates ffxi but shes also looking forward to 14. Many of my friends looking forward to 14 didn't like 11. The most important thing that turned us on to this game as opposed to 11 was the devs saying it would be more casual friendly.
All very valid points, except perhaps the final statement. It would be more correct to say the game will be a 'must watch' for the FF player community. All the statements applied to the previous MMO rendition, and at least in the western markets it went by the wayside, outside of fans of FF, whereas games like WoW and to a lessor extent Ultima Online were able to expand on their existing IP player base.
The Old Rebublic will be a 'must watch' for Star Wars fans only? Star Trek Online will be a 'must watch' for star trek fans only? No, all titles inside of a genre hold an interest outside of their playerbase, because they influence the market at large. It's an absolute *must have* for FF fans, but at the very, very least, absolutely a *must watch* for the MMORPG community. The points themselves support why. The FF franchise's existence supports why.
That is exactly right, and we're not saying NO to save WoW, because it is already a lost cause. We are saying NO to dissuade the next group of greedy suits who decide to emulate Blizzard and Cryptic, etc. We can prevent some of the future games from spewing this crap, but the sooner we start saying no, the better the results will be. So - Stand up, pull up your pants, and walk away. - MMO_Doubter
I've heard a lot of people say that only ffxi gamers will be interest in this game and that pc rpg fans wont be. Well it's not true. I played and didn't like ffxi but I'm very excited about 14. I also play both console and pc RPGS. My gf hates ffxi but shes also looking forward to 14. Many of my friends looking forward to 14 didn't like 11. The most important thing that turned us on to this game as opposed to 11 was the devs saying it would be more casual friendly.
If this game will have a downfall this text in red will be the reason. If its too casual there going to piss off there loyal and strong fanbase from FFXI. Its never a good idea to do that with any fanbase. Casual players do not stick with games for any length of time, thus without the loyal fans and the declining number of casuals this game will sink into the MMO abyss with all the other junk mmo's of the past few years.
The other problem is if its not casual enough, then all the people like the above poster will slander ffxiv forever giving it a bad name. We all know that detours people from trying a game. On the bright side of this scenerio the game will at least be held afloat by the huge fanbase.
one crowd will be pissed off. Which one? time will tell.
Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore) Now Playing: N/A Worst MMO: FFXIV Favorite MMO: FFXI
The last FF game I enjoyed was FFX, I've been looking for a good FF game ever since. SWTOR is something everyone wants, but it feels so far away. STO, I'll be in the open beta soon and that should let me know If I want to keep playing it. GW2? I didn't like GW1 that much but it did have some good qualities.
Are you serious? You think FFXIV is more anticipated than SWTOR or even STO ?? Is this a joke?
Those types of games did not even have a theme when RPG's were created.
They are actually not really MMORPG they are imo space MMO's,i doubt they will offer much at all into the RPG aspect.
FFXIV albeit is losing levels,will follow the traditional RPG setup and RPG is traditionally a fantasy setup.One of the god fathers of the genre was Wizardry,Ultima and if you get into MUDs and DnD there is nothing that points to space ships.
I agree there is i am sure a following for anything Star Wars and it may very well be a decent game,[i doubt it] but we are not talking hype of a "NAME" or "Title" we are talking GAME.Square CAN deliver great games,STO is really going to be a shot in the dark and SWTOR we are still wondering alot about Bioware's MMO abilities.I have actually never shared the same elitist following of Bioware,but they do have a fair amount of games out albeit all Single player minded,linear games.
The big thing about creating a TRUE MMORPG,is it must have a lot of content and cover all areas of a RPG.Then you need to realize that sinlge player games offer only about 40 hours game play,where as Square Enix and FFXI have proved they can deliver years of game play let alone any number of hours.So this is why Bioware is nothing to get hyped about until they can PROVE they can deliver,time will tell.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Are you serious? You think FFXIV is more anticipated than SWTOR or even STO ?? Is this a joke?
Those types of games did not even have a theme when RPG's were created.
They are actually not really MMORPG they are imo space MMO's,i doubt they will offer much at all into the RPG aspect.
FFXIV albeit is losing levels,will follow the traditional RPG setup and RPG is traditionally a fantasy setup.One of the god fathers of the genre was Wizardry,Ultima and if you get into MUDs and DnD there is nothing that points to space ships.
I agree there is i am sure a following for anything Star Wars and it may very well be a decent game,[i doubt it] but we are not talking hype of a "NAME" or "Title" we are talking GAME.Square CAN deliver great games,STO is really going to be a shot in the dark and SWTOR we are still wondering alot about Bioware's MMO abilities.I have actually never shared the same elitist following of Bioware,but they do have a fair amount of games out albeit all Single player minded,linear games.
The big thing about creating a TRUE MMORPG,is it must have a lot of content and cover all areas of a RPG.Then you need to realize that sinlge player games offer only about 40 hours game play,where as Square Enix and FFXI have proved they can deliver years of game play let alone any number of hours.So this is why Bioware is nothing to get hyped about until they can PROVE they can deliver,time will tell.
If he would have read the article he would have read that that they pretty much excluded SW:TOR from the award because they dont feel it will release in 2010. Otherwise i am pretty sure SW would have won, thats the impression I got from it anyways.
Edit as for STO: he needs to look no further than the hype meter on the front page to get his answer to see which game is hyped above the other one.
Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore) Now Playing: N/A Worst MMO: FFXIV Favorite MMO: FFXI
I've heard a lot of people say that only ffxi gamers will be interest in this game and that pc rpg fans wont be. Well it's not true. I played and didn't like ffxi but I'm very excited about 14. I also play both console and pc RPGS. My gf hates ffxi but shes also looking forward to 14. Many of my friends looking forward to 14 didn't like 11. The most important thing that turned us on to this game as opposed to 11 was the devs saying it would be more casual friendly.
If this game will have a downfall this text in red will be the reason. If its too casual there going to piss off there loyal and strong fanbase from FFXI. Its never a good idea to do that with any fanbase. Casual players do not stick with games for any length of time, thus without the loyal fans and the declining number of casuals this game will sink into the MMO abyss with all the other junk mmo's of the past few years.
The other problem is if its not casual enough, then all the people like the above poster will slander ffxiv forever giving it a bad name. We all know that detours people from trying a game. On the bright side of this scenerio the game will at least be held afloat by the huge fanbase.
one crowd will be pissed off. Which one? time will tell.
Where Square-Enix priorities are:
ZAM: Well, we can agree companies make games that are different from one another. I was just curious as to why FFXIV is so very, very similar. Most companies, when they make additional MMOs, they try to change their focus so that they don't take their existing consumer base away from a game that's already established. I guess the question is, aside from the obvious "the same talent behind the game," aspect, why was the decision made to make FFXIV so similar to FFXI?
Tanaka: FFXI has been out for about eight years now; the graphical engine we used is very old. In that sense, we wanted to have something that the FFXI players can smoothly move on to. So yes, in that sense, it could be very similar to Final Fantasy XI, so it's easier to switch for them. Also, for the race, that's something that we did on purpose to make it very similar to FFXI so that it's easier for people to go from FFXI to come to FFXIV, so that's why I feel it's very similar. As you mentioned earlier, maybe other companies make totally different MMOs to not get users from their original MMOs, but in this, I think we have a different policy or something in that sense. We are providing FFXIV for the FFXI community - as another game they can enjoy, so that's the primary target. Also, we want Final Fantasy players to enjoy the game who haven't played MMOs before, and we also want MMO players who haven't played the Final Fantasy series. We are trying to reach several different targets, but the first one will be FFXI players.
This is like the best response ever from a developer, target your core crowd first who you know love your series and want to play it, then worry about the other potentials. So many MMOs come out and all the devs care about is attracting the casual fans and don't have a care in the world for their target audience like STO for instance and I quote, "We are not making STO for the trekkies, but rather the casual players instead!" talk about failure!
I've heard a lot of people say that only ffxi gamers will be interest in this game and that pc rpg fans wont be. Well it's not true. I played and didn't like ffxi but I'm very excited about 14. I also play both console and pc RPGS. My gf hates ffxi but shes also looking forward to 14. Many of my friends looking forward to 14 didn't like 11. The most important thing that turned us on to this game as opposed to 11 was the devs saying it would be more casual friendly.
If this game will have a downfall this text in red will be the reason. If its too casual there going to piss off there loyal and strong fanbase from FFXI. Its never a good idea to do that with any fanbase. Casual players do not stick with games for any length of time, thus without the loyal fans and the declining number of casuals this game will sink into the MMO abyss with all the other junk mmo's of the past few years.
The other problem is if its not casual enough, then all the people like the above poster will slander ffxiv forever giving it a bad name. We all know that detours people from trying a game. On the bright side of this scenerio the game will at least be held afloat by the huge fanbase.
one crowd will be pissed off. Which one? time will tell.
Where Square-Enix priorities are:
ZAM: Well, we can agree companies make games that are different from one another. I was just curious as to why FFXIV is so very, very similar. Most companies, when they make additional MMOs, they try to change their focus so that they don't take their existing consumer base away from a game that's already established. I guess the question is, aside from the obvious "the same talent behind the game," aspect, why was the decision made to make FFXIV so similar to FFXI?
Tanaka: FFXI has been out for about eight years now; the graphical engine we used is very old. In that sense, we wanted to have something that the FFXI players can smoothly move on to. So yes, in that sense, it could be very similar to Final Fantasy XI, so it's easier to switch for them. Also, for the race, that's something that we did on purpose to make it very similar to FFXI so that it's easier for people to go from FFXI to come to FFXIV, so that's why I feel it's very similar. As you mentioned earlier, maybe other companies make totally different MMOs to not get users from their original MMOs, but in this, I think we have a different policy or something in that sense. We are providing FFXIV for the FFXI community - as another game they can enjoy, so that's the primary target. Also, we want Final Fantasy players to enjoy the game who haven't played MMOs before, and we also want MMO players who haven't played the Final Fantasy series. We are trying to reach several different targets, but the first one will be FFXI players.
If indeed that is true its great news for the fanbase, not so much for the people who are only getting this game because they think it will be a casual cake walk in the park.
Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore) Now Playing: N/A Worst MMO: FFXIV Favorite MMO: FFXI
If indeed that is true its great news for the fanbase, not so much for the people who are only getting this game because they think it will be a casual cake walk in the park.
Well; that's one thing I really don't care about are the extremist casual players, they have dozens upon dozens of other MMOs that cater to them. If this one MMO doesn't work out for them they have tons of other options to choose from, if it doesn't work out for us loyal and hardcore fans...what do we have to go back to besides FFXI? Almost everything we once loved during the pre-WoW era are now casual MMOs...sigh'
If indeed that is true its great news for the fanbase, not so much for the people who are only getting this game because they think it will be a casual cake walk in the park.
Well; that's one thing I really don't care about are the extremist casual players, they have dozens upon dozens of other MMOs that cater to them. If this one MMO doesn't work out for them they have tons of other options to choose from, if it doesn't work out for us loyal and hardcore fans...what do we have to go back to besides FFXI? Almost everything we once loved during the pre-WoW era are now casual MMOs...sigh'
I agree with you 100%.
Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore) Now Playing: N/A Worst MMO: FFXIV Favorite MMO: FFXI
If indeed that is true its great news for the fanbase, not so much for the people who are only getting this game because they think it will be a casual cake walk in the park.
Well; that's one thing I really don't care about are the extremist casual players, they have dozens upon dozens of other MMOs that cater to them. If this one MMO doesn't work out for them they have tons of other options to choose from, if it doesn't work out for us loyal and hardcore fans...what do we have to go back to besides FFXI? Almost everything we once loved during the pre-WoW era are now casual MMOs...sigh'
HERE HERE ...order in the court ! yes i agree sir 100%.We have ONLY on true MMORPG game out there,i really fear however it may be the last,i hope not,i am getting tired of playing emulaters and illegal server games.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Why is it everytime you state your opinion in a public forum, and god forbid that opinion is different people insult your and try to tell you how wrong you are. I will not play this game for reason that you people may no agree with but are very valid to me. I do not and have not enjoyed games made by square enix why they are just play childish looking in my opinion. does this game have a loyal fan base shure it does watching paint dry would also have a valid fanbase doesnt mean a damn thing. As for this game being on the console vs PC thing its irrelivant its about the game if its good who cares why i use to play it on.
It's fine as long as you don't act like that opinion is the opinion of everyone else and a fact.
You can say "I don't think this was the right game to be awarded because I prefer STO/SW:TOR/Whatever", without acting like your opinion is the end-all fact of the universe and look down on everyone else's opinion. That's what you did, that's why we started arguing with you. Your opinion is no better than anyone else's, you have right to it, but you don't have right to look down on everyone else.
What are you talking about? There's 20 posts on this thread alone where you argue with anyone has the audacity to say that they're not looking forward to your game. Get a grip, man.
First off nothing but crap has been comming out of square the last few years and they need to let final fantasy die i mean 14 games none of them any good like seriously let it die. As for PVE i love PVE hate PVP but i still would rather not play anything than this game. Point i am trying to make over all is that you have 2 of the biggest sci fi franchises ever both comming out with MMO in 2010 and this crappy FF14 gets most anticipated i seriously dount it. who did they poll a buch of 12yr olds geez. As for popularity who cares 14 friggin games and i dont know anyone who has played any of them or wants to
Wow what a whine-fest.
You're unhappy that a game you don't like was chosen and you're feeling very emo about it. Got it.
As for the last statement about "popularity" and 14 games... and you not knowing anyone who has played or wants to? First of all... There are 14 games - not to mention a number of spin-offs - *because* the franchise is popular and a lot of people *do* play it. See, that's kinda how it works.
As for not knowing anyone who plays... Seriously? So what do they call this little bubble world you live in? Or, do you limit yourself to only associating with people who don't like FF games? Or... maybe you're full of crap and pulled that entire bit out of your ass? Or maybe you thought by making such a strong statement, it would give your post more "oomph" (it didn't)?
I've lived and worked in 6 states and 12 different countries and don't know of a single person or co-worker who plays these games. I have met people in London, Rio de Janiero, Bejing and Copenhagen who play Everquest or WoW, though. If anyone lives in a bubble it's the people who say "all of my friends played at least some of the FF games", not the other way around.
So... you've asked every single person you've worked with in all 6 states and 12 countries you've been in if they play Final Fantasy, to be able to say for certain that they don't? Do you make it a habit of asking people everywhere you go if they play the games, or otherwise bring it up in conversation?
I work with ~150 other people on a day to day basis... I don't know of a single one of them who plays Final Fantasy, or has ever played one, either. But you know what? I've never actually *asked* any of them, much less all of them.
So, it would be pretty silly for me to say "I work with ~150 people and I don't know of a single one of them who plays the Final Fantasy games"
Funny thing is... I don't know another person I work with who eats Sushi. Of the ~150 I work with, I've asked 2 and they don't eat it. So, by your logic, that would mean it's safe for me to assume that no one I work with eats sushi because they've never said they do?
Is there some strange greeting I should expect, like "Hi.. I'm Tom, I eat Sushi", or "Hi, I'm Jim, I play Final Fantasy"?
If it seems like I'm making fun of your logic... It's because I am.
And that said... what exactly is that supposed to prove? Are you implying the FF series isn't popular? Not really sure you'd want to go there based entirely on the lack of people you've worked with telling you they play. Here's some facts about the Final Fantasy series which no one you know of has played...
"The series has been commercially and critically successful; it is Square Enix's best selling video game franchise, with more than 85 million units sold, and one of the best-selling video game franchises. Second to Final Fantasy among Square Enix franchises is Dragon Quest. It was awarded a star on the Walk of Game in 2006, and holds seven Guinness World Records in the Guinness World Records Gamer's Edition 2008. The series is well known for its innovation, visuals, and music, such as the inclusion of full motion videos, photo-realistic character models, and orchestrated music by Nobuo Uematsu. Final Fantasy has been a driving force in the video game industry. The video game series has affected Square's business practices and its relationships with other video game developers. It has also introduced many features now common in console RPGs and has been credited with helping to popularize RPGs in markets outside Japan."
So... a game series with more than 85 million units sold, held seven Guinness World Records as of 2008 and is credited as popularizing and influencing the RPG genre outside of Japan isn't all that popular because no one you've talked to in your world-wide travels has mentioned that they play it.
Really.
Yes, now that I think of it, I do believe you willfully live in a self-imposed bubble.
But hey... to each their own.
Oh and, by the by, there's nothing unusual about having friends who've all played any of the FF series, if all your friends happen to be gamers who share a taste in gaming.
You posted that whole thing and all you had to say was "I don't know what my friends and co-workers do in their free time". Maybe you should stop trolling game boards and talk to some people around you. I however, do talk to people, like I said we've talked about computer games - unless you think I used ESP to determine that they play WoW or EQ. You could have saved yourself 500 words of effort by just applying some brain power.
I've heard a lot of people say that only ffxi gamers will be interest in this game and that pc rpg fans wont be. Well it's not true. I played and didn't like ffxi but I'm very excited about 14. I also play both console and pc RPGS. My gf hates ffxi but shes also looking forward to 14. Many of my friends looking forward to 14 didn't like 11. The most important thing that turned us on to this game as opposed to 11 was the devs saying it would be more casual friendly.
If this game will have a downfall this text in red will be the reason. If its too casual there going to piss off there loyal and strong fanbase from FFXI. Its never a good idea to do that with any fanbase. Casual players do not stick with games for any length of time, thus without the loyal fans and the declining number of casuals this game will sink into the MMO abyss with all the other junk mmo's of the past few years.
The other problem is if its not casual enough, then all the people like the above poster will slander ffxiv forever giving it a bad name. We all know that detours people from trying a game. On the bright side of this scenerio the game will at least be held afloat by the huge fanbase.
one crowd will be pissed off. Which one? time will tell.
Where Square-Enix priorities are:
ZAM: Well, we can agree companies make games that are different from one another. I was just curious as to why FFXIV is so very, very similar. Most companies, when they make additional MMOs, they try to change their focus so that they don't take their existing consumer base away from a game that's already established. I guess the question is, aside from the obvious "the same talent behind the game," aspect, why was the decision made to make FFXIV so similar to FFXI?
Tanaka: FFXI has been out for about eight years now; the graphical engine we used is very old. In that sense, we wanted to have something that the FFXI players can smoothly move on to. So yes, in that sense, it could be very similar to Final Fantasy XI, so it's easier to switch for them. Also, for the race, that's something that we did on purpose to make it very similar to FFXI so that it's easier for people to go from FFXI to come to FFXIV, so that's why I feel it's very similar. As you mentioned earlier, maybe other companies make totally different MMOs to not get users from their original MMOs, but in this, I think we have a different policy or something in that sense. We are providing FFXIV for the FFXI community - as another game they can enjoy, so that's the primary target. Also, we want Final Fantasy players to enjoy the game who haven't played MMOs before, and we also want MMO players who haven't played the Final Fantasy series. We are trying to reach several different targets, but the first one will be FFXI players.
This is like the best response ever from a developer, target your core crowd first who you know love your series and want to play it, then worry about the other potentials. So many MMOs come out and all the devs care about is attracting the casual fans and don't have a care in the world for their target audience like STO for instance and I quote, "We are not making STO for the trekkies, but rather the casual players instead!" talk about failure!
This is the greatest news I could have ever hoped for.
FFXIV is absolutely my most anticipated MMO in a long time. If the story line and game play is as complex and the community as mature (for the most part) as FFXI then I'll most likely have found a new MMO home.
I think this is a good choice. I don't see any of the other anticipated games doing much.
I feel sorry for the Star Trek fans, they will be highly disappointed with STO, after seeing what has been done with that game I actually wish Perpetual had continued with it. It would have at least resembled Star Trek.
As to the silly arguments in this thread. Some of you have supported your arguments with facts and refrained from calling others names, kudos to you. To the others, grow up.
What are you talking about? There's 20 posts on this thread alone where you argue with anyone has the audacity to say that they're not looking forward to your game. Get a grip, man.
And there are 21 posts in this thread where you tell us that you're a federal agent on a mission in Albania.
Examples of this...? We can all say meaningless words that are not true, see I just did.
Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
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Hm, do you have anything to prove yourself with? As far as I'm aware, I'm not the guilty of doing the same thing.
of course your not guilty of doing the same thing your prfect arent ya. i am now done talking to the two wall people who cant see past their own arrogance. good day have a nice life. WTF is high fantasy anyways sheesh by his argument there is no such thing as sci fi everything is high fantasy as every movie ever made fits his criteria.
One of the websites' I found stated that High Fantasy was this:
High Fantasy or Epic Fantasy is one of the subgenres of fantasy fiction. It is the largest part of the genre being published today. Epic fantasies are characterized by long involved plots, a secondary world and two basic themes.
Most High Fantasy books have long involved plots. Many of the books are trilogies or longer series. This allows for the development of characters, grand settings and sweeping stories with multiple subplots. This gives a challenge to the reader to do some serious consideration of the themes.
High fantasy usually takes place in a secondary world that involves magic and strange beings. It uses noble characters, archetypes and elevated style. Writers either ignore our world, set the secondary world in some relationship with ours or use a world-within-a-world technique. Stories use a commoner hero that rises to the occasion or a morally ambivalent hero who can't decide between good and evil.
High Fantasy works mostly with two themes. One theme is the struggle for supremecy between good and evil, light and darkness, order and chaos. The other major theme is the quest. A quest is a search for a magical object or person which can save the world. Quests are always toward something; they are a spiritual or religious undertaking.
Thank you very much for your research and explanation. It all makes sense my confusion comes from what appears to me is that sometimes one genre can bleed into the other. ANd well my confusion also comes from being up way to early and the brain not functioning. I also appreciate you being civil even though i was not.
First off, yes I am looking forward to FFXIV, FFXI was the first game I played outside Gemstone (p2p MUD if you havent heard of it..) and I had playing it since 1998. FFXI was a great game for many years, but its grown boring for myself and many others. It has always catered to PVE related gamers, which SE said was to "keep the group experience of the other FF games," or something like that. With that in mind: older gamers like myself played the old NES/SNES FF games and other SE titles, and enjoy the mostly older games like FF1-FF6, others enjoy the newer games after FF7. "OMG we are getting Sprint Shoes," was some of the comments you would say when relics were announced.
That being said, alot of the people who look forward to FF14 are FF11 gamers. There are also people who have never played a FF game at all. SE has released close to none information about how the game will work, which makes it in general hard to get excited about. I was waiting for STO, but seeing how it turned out, I really don't want to play it anymore. And while yes, this will be a more PVE-oriented game, SE has stated it isnt going to be as time-consuming as FFXI was, you can solo or group up at your leisure.
You can't say that for sure. It has happened a lot of times before, but simply saying words is meaningless. You need to have something concrete as well. When you get into argument if you have the attitude that "I am right and he is wrong no matter what" you are missing the whole point of the argument. But if you have the attitude of "either I learn something from this argument, my opponent does, or in best case we both will" then you're much better off. But without anything concrete from either side, we can not reach any conclusion, but only go in circles repeating the same thing.
However, that last reply is much better than the last ones. I am quite certain that Star Trek and SW have much bigger overall fanbase than FF (In the west) if only simply because they branch off to more media than just games. Still, I don't think the IP is the deciding factor here, nor it should be. You can be a fan of SW, but not like the direction TOR is taking, and instead prefer what XIV has t offer. Or the opposite.
Not a problem at all. If we all could just share our thoughts, information, etc, then we all can get a better understanding. By no means do I want to change anyone's opinion. I love the FF series, and have played almost every game released in the US on console as well as FFXI. Just like other games and MMOs I've played, I have my quirks and irks with some aspects of FF games/MMO, but I do look forwad to FFXIV and can not wait until release. That being said, I'm sorry that the FF games you played did not suit your tastes or gaming needs. It is understandable if you do not want to play FFXIV because of such. Sometimes when you try something new, and it doesn't meet your expectations, you're hesitant to try anything of the sort again. While some people consider it closed minded, and in a since it can be depending on the situation, some consider it safe. FFXIV is not f2p, so as you stated, why waste your hard earned money on something you feel you would not enjoy just for the slight chance that you might? I'm glad for those here who are highly anticipating the game such as myself. But, I'm also glad for those here who've spoken their minds about their own anticipations for other games releasing in 2010.
You can't say that for sure. It has happened a lot of times before, but simply saying words is meaningless. You need to have something concrete as well. When you get into argument if you have the attitude that "I am right and he is wrong no matter what" you are missing the whole point of the argument. But if you have the attitude of "either I learn something from this argument, my opponent does, or in best case we both will" then you're much better off. But without anything concrete from either side, we can not reach any conclusion, but only go in circles repeating the same thing.
However, that last reply is much better than the last ones. I am quite certain that Star Trek and SW have much bigger overall fanbase than FF (In the west) if only simply because they branch off to more media than just games. Still, I don't think the IP is the deciding factor here, nor it should be. You can be a fan of SW, but not like the direction TOR is taking, and instead prefer what XIV has t offer. Or the opposite.
That is all very true both those IP may put off original fans or they may draw in people who normally don't play MMO's. Only time will tell. Myself i am a huge Star Trek fan more so than star wars. And they will have to screw it up pretty bad to put me off. ALot of people here complain about it they may have valid reasons in their own way. Personally i have a wait and see attitude.
Hopefully the game will do justice to the franchise, then.
Yes, STO has great potential, but from youtube videos and word of mouth it doesn't sound like they are going to live up to what was posted on the STO forums. I've heard the game was rushed into production after being bought, or something of that nature. I couldn't find out anything on the STO forums...maybe it was just a rumor, I'm not sure. I'm hoping Stargate Worlds turns out better, if it ever comes out.
Wow what a whine-fest.
You're unhappy that a game you don't like was chosen and you're feeling very emo about it. Got it.
As for the last statement about "popularity" and 14 games... and you not knowing anyone who has played or wants to? First of all... There are 14 games - not to mention a number of spin-offs - *because* the franchise is popular and a lot of people *do* play it. See, that's kinda how it works.
As for not knowing anyone who plays... Seriously? So what do they call this little bubble world you live in? Or, do you limit yourself to only associating with people who don't like FF games? Or... maybe you're full of crap and pulled that entire bit out of your ass? Or maybe you thought by making such a strong statement, it would give your post more "oomph" (it didn't)?
I've lived and worked in 6 states and 12 different countries and don't know of a single person or co-worker who plays these games. I have met people in London, Rio de Janiero, Bejing and Copenhagen who play Everquest or WoW, though. If anyone lives in a bubble it's the people who say "all of my friends played at least some of the FF games", not the other way around.
So... you've asked every single person you've worked with in all 6 states and 12 countries you've been in if they play Final Fantasy, to be able to say for certain that they don't? Do you make it a habit of asking people everywhere you go if they play the games, or otherwise bring it up in conversation?
I work with ~150 other people on a day to day basis... I don't know of a single one of them who plays Final Fantasy, or has ever played one, either. But you know what? I've never actually *asked* any of them, much less all of them.
So, it would be pretty silly for me to say "I work with ~150 people and I don't know of a single one of them who plays the Final Fantasy games"
Funny thing is... I don't know another person I work with who eats Sushi. Of the ~150 I work with, I've asked 2 and they don't eat it. So, by your logic, that would mean it's safe for me to assume that no one I work with eats sushi because they've never said they do?
Is there some strange greeting I should expect, like "Hi.. I'm Tom, I eat Sushi", or "Hi, I'm Jim, I play Final Fantasy"?
If it seems like I'm making fun of your logic... It's because I am.
And that said... what exactly is that supposed to prove? Are you implying the FF series isn't popular? Not really sure you'd want to go there based entirely on the lack of people you've worked with telling you they play. Here's some facts about the Final Fantasy series which no one you know of has played...
"The series has been commercially and critically successful; it is Square Enix's best selling video game franchise, with more than 85 million units sold, and one of the best-selling video game franchises. Second to Final Fantasy among Square Enix franchises is Dragon Quest. It was awarded a star on the Walk of Game in 2006, and holds seven Guinness World Records in the Guinness World Records Gamer's Edition 2008. The series is well known for its innovation, visuals, and music, such as the inclusion of full motion videos, photo-realistic character models, and orchestrated music by Nobuo Uematsu. Final Fantasy has been a driving force in the video game industry. The video game series has affected Square's business practices and its relationships with other video game developers. It has also introduced many features now common in console RPGs and has been credited with helping to popularize RPGs in markets outside Japan."
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So... a game series with more than 85 million units sold, held seven Guinness World Records as of 2008 and is credited as popularizing and influencing the RPG genre outside of Japan isn't all that popular because no one you've talked to in your world-wide travels has mentioned that they play it.
Really.
Yes, now that I think of it, I do believe you willfully live in a self-imposed bubble.
But hey... to each their own.
Oh and, by the by, there's nothing unusual about having friends who've all played any of the FF series, if all your friends happen to be gamers who share a taste in gaming.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
I've heard a lot of people say that only ffxi gamers will be interest in this game and that pc rpg fans wont be. Well it's not true. I played and didn't like ffxi but I'm very excited about 14. I also play both console and pc RPGS. My gf hates ffxi but shes also looking forward to 14. Many of my friends looking forward to 14 didn't like 11. The most important thing that turned us on to this game as opposed to 11 was the devs saying it would be more casual friendly.
The Old Rebublic will be a 'must watch' for Star Wars fans only? Star Trek Online will be a 'must watch' for star trek fans only? No, all titles inside of a genre hold an interest outside of their playerbase, because they influence the market at large. It's an absolute *must have* for FF fans, but at the very, very least, absolutely a *must watch* for the MMORPG community. The points themselves support why. The FF franchise's existence supports why.
That is exactly right, and we're not saying NO to save WoW, because it is already a lost cause. We are saying NO to dissuade the next group of greedy suits who decide to emulate Blizzard and Cryptic, etc.
We can prevent some of the future games from spewing this crap, but the sooner we start saying no, the better the results will be.
So - Stand up, pull up your pants, and walk away.
- MMO_Doubter
If this game will have a downfall this text in red will be the reason. If its too casual there going to piss off there loyal and strong fanbase from FFXI. Its never a good idea to do that with any fanbase. Casual players do not stick with games for any length of time, thus without the loyal fans and the declining number of casuals this game will sink into the MMO abyss with all the other junk mmo's of the past few years.
The other problem is if its not casual enough, then all the people like the above poster will slander ffxiv forever giving it a bad name. We all know that detours people from trying a game. On the bright side of this scenerio the game will at least be held afloat by the huge fanbase.
one crowd will be pissed off. Which one? time will tell.
Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore)
Now Playing: N/A
Worst MMO: FFXIV
Favorite MMO: FFXI
Right now my hype list goes like this
FFXIV>SWTOR>STO>GW2
The last FF game I enjoyed was FFX, I've been looking for a good FF game ever since. SWTOR is something everyone wants, but it feels so far away. STO, I'll be in the open beta soon and that should let me know If I want to keep playing it. GW2? I didn't like GW1 that much but it did have some good qualities.
Those types of games did not even have a theme when RPG's were created.
They are actually not really MMORPG they are imo space MMO's,i doubt they will offer much at all into the RPG aspect.
FFXIV albeit is losing levels,will follow the traditional RPG setup and RPG is traditionally a fantasy setup.One of the god fathers of the genre was Wizardry,Ultima and if you get into MUDs and DnD there is nothing that points to space ships.
I agree there is i am sure a following for anything Star Wars and it may very well be a decent game,[i doubt it] but we are not talking hype of a "NAME" or "Title" we are talking GAME.Square CAN deliver great games,STO is really going to be a shot in the dark and SWTOR we are still wondering alot about Bioware's MMO abilities.I have actually never shared the same elitist following of Bioware,but they do have a fair amount of games out albeit all Single player minded,linear games.
The big thing about creating a TRUE MMORPG,is it must have a lot of content and cover all areas of a RPG.Then you need to realize that sinlge player games offer only about 40 hours game play,where as Square Enix and FFXI have proved they can deliver years of game play let alone any number of hours.So this is why Bioware is nothing to get hyped about until they can PROVE they can deliver,time will tell.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Those types of games did not even have a theme when RPG's were created.
They are actually not really MMORPG they are imo space MMO's,i doubt they will offer much at all into the RPG aspect.
FFXIV albeit is losing levels,will follow the traditional RPG setup and RPG is traditionally a fantasy setup.One of the god fathers of the genre was Wizardry,Ultima and if you get into MUDs and DnD there is nothing that points to space ships.
I agree there is i am sure a following for anything Star Wars and it may very well be a decent game,[i doubt it] but we are not talking hype of a "NAME" or "Title" we are talking GAME.Square CAN deliver great games,STO is really going to be a shot in the dark and SWTOR we are still wondering alot about Bioware's MMO abilities.I have actually never shared the same elitist following of Bioware,but they do have a fair amount of games out albeit all Single player minded,linear games.
The big thing about creating a TRUE MMORPG,is it must have a lot of content and cover all areas of a RPG.Then you need to realize that sinlge player games offer only about 40 hours game play,where as Square Enix and FFXI have proved they can deliver years of game play let alone any number of hours.So this is why Bioware is nothing to get hyped about until they can PROVE they can deliver,time will tell.
If he would have read the article he would have read that that they pretty much excluded SW:TOR from the award because they dont feel it will release in 2010. Otherwise i am pretty sure SW would have won, thats the impression I got from it anyways.
Edit as for STO: he needs to look no further than the hype meter on the front page to get his answer to see which game is hyped above the other one.
Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore)
Now Playing: N/A
Worst MMO: FFXIV
Favorite MMO: FFXI
If this game will have a downfall this text in red will be the reason. If its too casual there going to piss off there loyal and strong fanbase from FFXI. Its never a good idea to do that with any fanbase. Casual players do not stick with games for any length of time, thus without the loyal fans and the declining number of casuals this game will sink into the MMO abyss with all the other junk mmo's of the past few years.
The other problem is if its not casual enough, then all the people like the above poster will slander ffxiv forever giving it a bad name. We all know that detours people from trying a game. On the bright side of this scenerio the game will at least be held afloat by the huge fanbase.
one crowd will be pissed off. Which one? time will tell.
Where Square-Enix priorities are:
ZAM: Well, we can agree companies make games that are different from one another. I was just curious as to why FFXIV is so very, very similar. Most companies, when they make additional MMOs, they try to change their focus so that they don't take their existing consumer base away from a game that's already established. I guess the question is, aside from the obvious "the same talent behind the game," aspect, why was the decision made to make FFXIV so similar to FFXI?
Tanaka: FFXI has been out for about eight years now; the graphical engine we used is very old. In that sense, we wanted to have something that the FFXI players can smoothly move on to. So yes, in that sense, it could be very similar to Final Fantasy XI, so it's easier to switch for them. Also, for the race, that's something that we did on purpose to make it very similar to FFXI so that it's easier for people to go from FFXI to come to FFXIV, so that's why I feel it's very similar. As you mentioned earlier, maybe other companies make totally different MMOs to not get users from their original MMOs, but in this, I think we have a different policy or something in that sense. We are providing FFXIV for the FFXI community - as another game they can enjoy, so that's the primary target. Also, we want Final Fantasy players to enjoy the game who haven't played MMOs before, and we also want MMO players who haven't played the Final Fantasy series. We are trying to reach several different targets, but the first one will be FFXI players.
This is like the best response ever from a developer, target your core crowd first who you know love your series and want to play it, then worry about the other potentials. So many MMOs come out and all the devs care about is attracting the casual fans and don't have a care in the world for their target audience like STO for instance and I quote, "We are not making STO for the trekkies, but rather the casual players instead!" talk about failure!
If this game will have a downfall this text in red will be the reason. If its too casual there going to piss off there loyal and strong fanbase from FFXI. Its never a good idea to do that with any fanbase. Casual players do not stick with games for any length of time, thus without the loyal fans and the declining number of casuals this game will sink into the MMO abyss with all the other junk mmo's of the past few years.
The other problem is if its not casual enough, then all the people like the above poster will slander ffxiv forever giving it a bad name. We all know that detours people from trying a game. On the bright side of this scenerio the game will at least be held afloat by the huge fanbase.
one crowd will be pissed off. Which one? time will tell.
Where Square-Enix priorities are:
ZAM: Well, we can agree companies make games that are different from one another. I was just curious as to why FFXIV is so very, very similar. Most companies, when they make additional MMOs, they try to change their focus so that they don't take their existing consumer base away from a game that's already established. I guess the question is, aside from the obvious "the same talent behind the game," aspect, why was the decision made to make FFXIV so similar to FFXI?
Tanaka: FFXI has been out for about eight years now; the graphical engine we used is very old. In that sense, we wanted to have something that the FFXI players can smoothly move on to. So yes, in that sense, it could be very similar to Final Fantasy XI, so it's easier to switch for them. Also, for the race, that's something that we did on purpose to make it very similar to FFXI so that it's easier for people to go from FFXI to come to FFXIV, so that's why I feel it's very similar. As you mentioned earlier, maybe other companies make totally different MMOs to not get users from their original MMOs, but in this, I think we have a different policy or something in that sense. We are providing FFXIV for the FFXI community - as another game they can enjoy, so that's the primary target. Also, we want Final Fantasy players to enjoy the game who haven't played MMOs before, and we also want MMO players who haven't played the Final Fantasy series. We are trying to reach several different targets, but the first one will be FFXI players.
If indeed that is true its great news for the fanbase, not so much for the people who are only getting this game because they think it will be a casual cake walk in the park.
Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore)
Now Playing: N/A
Worst MMO: FFXIV
Favorite MMO: FFXI
If indeed that is true its great news for the fanbase, not so much for the people who are only getting this game because they think it will be a casual cake walk in the park.
Well; that's one thing I really don't care about are the extremist casual players, they have dozens upon dozens of other MMOs that cater to them. If this one MMO doesn't work out for them they have tons of other options to choose from, if it doesn't work out for us loyal and hardcore fans...what do we have to go back to besides FFXI? Almost everything we once loved during the pre-WoW era are now casual MMOs...sigh'
If indeed that is true its great news for the fanbase, not so much for the people who are only getting this game because they think it will be a casual cake walk in the park.
Well; that's one thing I really don't care about are the extremist casual players, they have dozens upon dozens of other MMOs that cater to them. If this one MMO doesn't work out for them they have tons of other options to choose from, if it doesn't work out for us loyal and hardcore fans...what do we have to go back to besides FFXI? Almost everything we once loved during the pre-WoW era are now casual MMOs...sigh'
I agree with you 100%.
Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore)
Now Playing: N/A
Worst MMO: FFXIV
Favorite MMO: FFXI
If indeed that is true its great news for the fanbase, not so much for the people who are only getting this game because they think it will be a casual cake walk in the park.
Well; that's one thing I really don't care about are the extremist casual players, they have dozens upon dozens of other MMOs that cater to them. If this one MMO doesn't work out for them they have tons of other options to choose from, if it doesn't work out for us loyal and hardcore fans...what do we have to go back to besides FFXI? Almost everything we once loved during the pre-WoW era are now casual MMOs...sigh'
HERE HERE ...order in the court ! yes i agree sir 100%.We have ONLY on true MMORPG game out there,i really fear however it may be the last,i hope not,i am getting tired of playing emulaters and illegal server games.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
It's fine as long as you don't act like that opinion is the opinion of everyone else and a fact.
You can say "I don't think this was the right game to be awarded because I prefer STO/SW:TOR/Whatever", without acting like your opinion is the end-all fact of the universe and look down on everyone else's opinion. That's what you did, that's why we started arguing with you. Your opinion is no better than anyone else's, you have right to it, but you don't have right to look down on everyone else.
What are you talking about? There's 20 posts on this thread alone where you argue with anyone has the audacity to say that they're not looking forward to your game. Get a grip, man.
Wow what a whine-fest.
You're unhappy that a game you don't like was chosen and you're feeling very emo about it. Got it.
As for the last statement about "popularity" and 14 games... and you not knowing anyone who has played or wants to? First of all... There are 14 games - not to mention a number of spin-offs - *because* the franchise is popular and a lot of people *do* play it. See, that's kinda how it works.
As for not knowing anyone who plays... Seriously? So what do they call this little bubble world you live in? Or, do you limit yourself to only associating with people who don't like FF games? Or... maybe you're full of crap and pulled that entire bit out of your ass? Or maybe you thought by making such a strong statement, it would give your post more "oomph" (it didn't)?
I've lived and worked in 6 states and 12 different countries and don't know of a single person or co-worker who plays these games. I have met people in London, Rio de Janiero, Bejing and Copenhagen who play Everquest or WoW, though. If anyone lives in a bubble it's the people who say "all of my friends played at least some of the FF games", not the other way around.
So... you've asked every single person you've worked with in all 6 states and 12 countries you've been in if they play Final Fantasy, to be able to say for certain that they don't? Do you make it a habit of asking people everywhere you go if they play the games, or otherwise bring it up in conversation?
I work with ~150 other people on a day to day basis... I don't know of a single one of them who plays Final Fantasy, or has ever played one, either. But you know what? I've never actually *asked* any of them, much less all of them.
So, it would be pretty silly for me to say "I work with ~150 people and I don't know of a single one of them who plays the Final Fantasy games"
Funny thing is... I don't know another person I work with who eats Sushi. Of the ~150 I work with, I've asked 2 and they don't eat it. So, by your logic, that would mean it's safe for me to assume that no one I work with eats sushi because they've never said they do?
Is there some strange greeting I should expect, like "Hi.. I'm Tom, I eat Sushi", or "Hi, I'm Jim, I play Final Fantasy"?
If it seems like I'm making fun of your logic... It's because I am.
And that said... what exactly is that supposed to prove? Are you implying the FF series isn't popular? Not really sure you'd want to go there based entirely on the lack of people you've worked with telling you they play. Here's some facts about the Final Fantasy series which no one you know of has played...
"The series has been commercially and critically successful; it is Square Enix's best selling video game franchise, with more than 85 million units sold, and one of the best-selling video game franchises. Second to Final Fantasy among Square Enix franchises is Dragon Quest. It was awarded a star on the Walk of Game in 2006, and holds seven Guinness World Records in the Guinness World Records Gamer's Edition 2008. The series is well known for its innovation, visuals, and music, such as the inclusion of full motion videos, photo-realistic character models, and orchestrated music by Nobuo Uematsu. Final Fantasy has been a driving force in the video game industry. The video game series has affected Square's business practices and its relationships with other video game developers. It has also introduced many features now common in console RPGs and has been credited with helping to popularize RPGs in markets outside Japan."
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So... a game series with more than 85 million units sold, held seven Guinness World Records as of 2008 and is credited as popularizing and influencing the RPG genre outside of Japan isn't all that popular because no one you've talked to in your world-wide travels has mentioned that they play it.
Really.
Yes, now that I think of it, I do believe you willfully live in a self-imposed bubble.
But hey... to each their own.
Oh and, by the by, there's nothing unusual about having friends who've all played any of the FF series, if all your friends happen to be gamers who share a taste in gaming.
You posted that whole thing and all you had to say was "I don't know what my friends and co-workers do in their free time". Maybe you should stop trolling game boards and talk to some people around you. I however, do talk to people, like I said we've talked about computer games - unless you think I used ESP to determine that they play WoW or EQ. You could have saved yourself 500 words of effort by just applying some brain power.
If this game will have a downfall this text in red will be the reason. If its too casual there going to piss off there loyal and strong fanbase from FFXI. Its never a good idea to do that with any fanbase. Casual players do not stick with games for any length of time, thus without the loyal fans and the declining number of casuals this game will sink into the MMO abyss with all the other junk mmo's of the past few years.
The other problem is if its not casual enough, then all the people like the above poster will slander ffxiv forever giving it a bad name. We all know that detours people from trying a game. On the bright side of this scenerio the game will at least be held afloat by the huge fanbase.
one crowd will be pissed off. Which one? time will tell.
Where Square-Enix priorities are:
ZAM: Well, we can agree companies make games that are different from one another. I was just curious as to why FFXIV is so very, very similar. Most companies, when they make additional MMOs, they try to change their focus so that they don't take their existing consumer base away from a game that's already established. I guess the question is, aside from the obvious "the same talent behind the game," aspect, why was the decision made to make FFXIV so similar to FFXI?
Tanaka: FFXI has been out for about eight years now; the graphical engine we used is very old. In that sense, we wanted to have something that the FFXI players can smoothly move on to. So yes, in that sense, it could be very similar to Final Fantasy XI, so it's easier to switch for them. Also, for the race, that's something that we did on purpose to make it very similar to FFXI so that it's easier for people to go from FFXI to come to FFXIV, so that's why I feel it's very similar. As you mentioned earlier, maybe other companies make totally different MMOs to not get users from their original MMOs, but in this, I think we have a different policy or something in that sense. We are providing FFXIV for the FFXI community - as another game they can enjoy, so that's the primary target. Also, we want Final Fantasy players to enjoy the game who haven't played MMOs before, and we also want MMO players who haven't played the Final Fantasy series. We are trying to reach several different targets, but the first one will be FFXI players.
This is like the best response ever from a developer, target your core crowd first who you know love your series and want to play it, then worry about the other potentials. So many MMOs come out and all the devs care about is attracting the casual fans and don't have a care in the world for their target audience like STO for instance and I quote, "We are not making STO for the trekkies, but rather the casual players instead!" talk about failure!
This is the greatest news I could have ever hoped for.
FFXIV is absolutely my most anticipated MMO in a long time. If the story line and game play is as complex and the community as mature (for the most part) as FFXI then I'll most likely have found a new MMO home.
I think this is a good choice. I don't see any of the other anticipated games doing much.
I feel sorry for the Star Trek fans, they will be highly disappointed with STO, after seeing what has been done with that game I actually wish Perpetual had continued with it. It would have at least resembled Star Trek.
As to the silly arguments in this thread. Some of you have supported your arguments with facts and refrained from calling others names, kudos to you. To the others, grow up.
And there are 21 posts in this thread where you tell us that you're a federal agent on a mission in Albania.
Examples of this...? We can all say meaningless words that are not true, see I just did.