Just thought I would clear up a few misconceptions about some definitions;
1. Star Wars is neither fantasy or Sci-fi, it occupies a specific niche which is known as space-opera. It has no plausible basis in reality and indeed doesn't make any pretenses concerning scientific accuracy nor plausibility. 2. High Fantasy refers to the relative distension of accepted scientific principles. The more out there - implausible - FANTASTIC a setting is the HIGHER the level of fantasy. Fore example Final Fantasy would be considered very much high fantasy, where as Lord of the Rings would be considered relatively low fantasy.
Space Opera is sometimes used to categorize Star Wars, but the fundantion of the narrative is based on High Fantasy patterns.
High Fantasy is not exactly related to "distension of accepted scientific principles". You are not acurrate when you say High Fantasy is related to a "higher level of fantasy". Maybe this is your honest opinion about the subject wich is fine but it is not compatible with all the literary definitions accepted to categorize the style.
Lord of the Rings is not a Low Fantasy story. Tolkien's work is one of the most expressive examples of High Fantasy.
I don't understand why you started saying "Just thought I would clear up a few misconceptions about some definitions" and used the most common misconception, the idea that High Fantasy is "higher" because of the "amount" of fantasy used. This is an aesthetical detail only and does not affect the patterns of the narrative.
KieraLei posted a nice, simple and very understandable definition of High Fantasy style here.
Strangely this idea that Lord of the Rings has anything to do with Low Fantasy is very common here on these forums but it is far from the truth when we talk about literary styles. Tolkien's work never was used as an example of Low Fantasy outside "gaming" forums. Robert E. Howard stories are a good example of Low Fantasy.
Edit-I mentioned the term Space Opera here in my first post, (as you claim S.W. is not H.F. but S.O) in the past Space Opera was a negative term, more related to cheap scient fiction, it changed later on but it still is a relatively new and openly term that has much more of a comercial appeal than a literary strong base and this definition express much more the "skin" of Star Wars than its narrative. As I mentioned in my first post on this topic, it is not "wrong" to call S.W. a Space Opera, but it didn't change the fact that all the base and narrative of S.W. follows the High Fantasy style.
Here is the definition posted by KieraLei. (This simple definition would be enough to show you that the idea of Star Wars and Lord of the Rings (especially LoTR) as examples of High Fantasy is not a misconception.)
High Fantasy or Epic Fantasy is one of the subgenres of fantasy fiction. It is the largest part of the genre being published today. Epic fantasies are characterized by long involved plots, a secondary world and two basic themes....
Most High Fantasy books have long involved plots. Many of the books are trilogies or longer series. This allows for the development of characters, grand settings and sweeping stories with multiple subplots. This gives a challenge to the reader to do some serious consideration of the themes.
High fantasy usually takes place in a secondary world that involves magic and strange beings. It uses noble characters, archetypes and elevated style. Writers either ignore our world, set the secondary world in some relationship with ours or use a world-within-a-world technique. Stories use a commoner hero that rises to the occasion or a morally ambivalent hero who can't decide between good and evil.
High Fantasy works mostly with two themes. One theme is the struggle for supremecy between good and evil, light and darkness, order and chaos. The other major theme is the quest. A quest is a search for a magical object or person which can save the world. Quests are always toward something; they are a spiritual or religious undertaking.
Actually my main reason for making the original post was simply to inform some posters about a few definitions; Space-Opera, High Fantasy, and Low Fantasy to be exact.
-Cerois you didn't informe anyone about these definitions, to tell the truth you need to do a research about the subject to clear your misconceptions about all the "fantasy" styles. High Fantasy and Low Fantasy are not terms used to exemplify the amount of fantastic content.
I stated my opinion about about Final Fantasy in specific and Japanese entertainment in general. Its an opinion which is VERY widely held in the western markets. Its really why Japanese entertainment has been such a colossal failure here, you do realize that with virtually no exceptions there have been no commercial successes in the western market for any Japanese entertainment right?
-Not everyone in the west enjoys Japanese entertainment in general and this is for sure a matter of opinion. But Japanese entertainment is a colossal SUCCESS in the West and this is the reality. The influence of Japanese media in the West is considerable. It is very understandable that you personaly don't enjoy this kind of entertainment and aesthetics but world wide success or failure has nothing to do with your (or anyone's) opinion. Nintendo, Playstation, Final Fantasy, Pokemon, Akira, Dragon Ball, all the anime style etc are successful examples of Japanese entertainment in the West.
All I have to say is if it doesnt suit your tastes thats fine, You dont have to sit here and take shots a Square and the japanese products. I personally have the same veiws as you when it comes to western RPG's, there shallow, lame, mostly hack and slash, with no thought or strategy required in a fight. That doesnt make them crap that just means there not for me Id much rather have a jrpg where theres a well thought out story and more strategic game play present, but thats just my opinion.
Theres a reason the ff series has made it to number 14, Millions upon millions of FF titles have sold, Theres more than enough of people who love the game series. I dont even know why were discussing the single player titles anyways. This is an MMO site. FFXI experience isnt even remotely related to the single player experience. If your naive enough to think the mmo is just like the single player game, I say good riddance.
Actually my main reason for making the original post was simply to inform some posters about a few definitions; Space-Opera, High Fantasy, and Low Fantasy to be exact.
I stated my opinion about about Final Fantasy in specific and Japanese entertainment in general. Its an opinion which is VERY widely held in the western markets. Its really why Japanese entertainment has been such a colossal failure here, you do realize that with virtually no exceptions there have been no commercial successes in the western market for any Japanese entertainment right?
As for the rest of your post, I find it difficult to believe that even you believe most of it? A well thought out story? Seriously? I have sampled enough of Japanese premiere story telling to know that it is virtually all idiotic. And your seriously going to compare the depth of game play of western MMO's to eastern MMO's? Seriously? Eastern MMO's have some nice graphics, In fact I would say overall they generally have better graphics then western MMO's if not significantly better but game-play?
Final Fantasy began on consoles that couldn't handle anything more then the most mind numbingly simple game play imaginable and they never evolved from that. Japanese video games are the equivalent of Japanese comic books, devoid of any serious worth at all.
I don't know what kind of general social insanity grips the Japanese that makes them produce and seemingly appreciate such asinine stories. I can only hope that someday they actually grow out of it.
Regardless however, this is an MMO site, and an English one at that. So I again would point out that NO Asian MMO has had a significant impact on the western market. Yes FFXI may have hundreds of thousands of players but seriously who gives a fuck? They are almost all Asian, and gamers who for the most part are interested in completely different game play then the vast majority of western gamers.
Will FFXIV do well commercially in Asia? Sure I think it will. Will it ever become significant in the west? Not a hope in hell. So no, listing it as the most anticipated game of 2010 is a little idiotic.
This BTW is coming from someone who despises PVP in MMO's. So I truly wish I could look forward to FFXIV. But I am a realist on these issues.
Dude your not a realist. Your living in your own fantasy. FFXI had more asian gamers then west? Where are your sources for that? Do you mean to tell me that FFXI didn't have a few hundred thousand subs in the west? Where are you sources for that? You live without any proof or logic. Your post lacks any proof or logic. Your stereotyping the entire western gaming community and your making you and the entire community look pathetic and sad. Not that they are, but posts like yours make it seem like games from Japan or any country not American or European can't make a buck in this country and that's false. I don't know where you've been hiding, but step outside of your house. Japanese entertainment is what created the term 'weeabo' if you've ever heard it.
About 'asian games' I find it pathetic that you don't realize that the top 3 games in the top 5 most subscribed MMOs are from ONE company from Korea..that's right, NCsoft (Aion, Lineage, L2) and they are all games that have had success here in America (if you don't think so, you can't prove me wrong). There are no sources or backup statements that prove otherwise (saying that it was popular in Asia rather than America, there are no articles or sources for that). Don't forget the f2p games that made it to mainstream news outlets because of children using their parents credit cards and boasting the highest subscription rating of all time (Maplestory) and Nexon is one of the top contenders in the MMORPG industry along with a bazillion Korean MMO companies and they operate here in the U.S. as well with their subsidiaries.
Only western game you can brag about is Wow unfortunately. Not hating, but it's a fact. Every game according to you guys are 'a fail' and I find that disheartening as all gaming companies should be given a chance rather than hated for not being 'wow'.
The same can be said of you. Where are your numbers to prove that FFXI is a western success story? It's a well known fact that any asian game has a very difficult time drawing in western gamers, let alone keeping them.
There is a reason why Aion, the most popular asian game in the western market, is frantically putting out more casual and less grindy content, thanks in whole to bleeding western subs. Logic tells me that while they have tons of asian subs, they make more money off western subscribers. I mean, why try so hard to make inroads into such a small segment of the global player base unless it's quite profitable to do so. Yet they seem to fail everytime. Whether it's due to cultural blindness or their inability to come out with a "grind lite" game, who knows, but they still haven't figured it out and I seriously doubt that SE will ever "get us".
I don't know, I'm not moronic enough to state facts without proof. I'm asking him to provide any kind so we can make sure he's not imagining things. Same should be said of you. How the hell you come to the conclusion that Aion is the most popular asian game in the western market. Are you for real? Hello? Japanese companies (Nintendo, Sony) aren't asian or something? They have huge franchises behind their back, some that are household names (Mario, etc..) Logic tells you they make more money off westerners, well that's true. That's why you see a gazillion Korean game companies have subsidiaries and offices here, producing mass amounts of MMOs (particularly f2p, less development time and more in return in many cases). You said they fail everytime. Really? everytime? So they're losing money being here yet they continue to produce more and more MMOs to ship here? Does your logic tell you that? Regarding SE, I can tell you without a doubt, and there is no way you can dispute this, is that Final Fantasy is one of the biggest gaming franchises in gaming history. Top 10, maybe top 5. Maybe you're new to the internet. Yea, that's probably right. Welcome to 2010. Also, I never played FFXI but will XIV a try without any worries. I trust SE to produce quality every time. My first and favorite RPGs are Lunar: The Silverstar Story and FF7. Both incredible. You might want to check up on them.
Final Fantasy is in the top 6 of all of them and these were the first three google searches that came up. I'm sure you can get better sources but you get the idea.
To people saying that no one likes FF, or plays, and the series should be dead: Final Fantasy XIII sold 1,501,964 copies on launch week in Japan alone, and boosted ps3 console sales to from 75,000 to 253,000 for that week. When it launches anywhere in the World these kind of numbers will be put out. Come on now don't be this ignorant and put up on display on a public forum.
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But but... some people have talked to a number of people around the world who do not play FF, so certainly that undermines those seemingly impressive numbers!
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But anyway... back in reality...
I'll be honest... FFXIV taking that award concerns me. Not because I'm a greedy person who wants FFXIV all to myself, etc. etc. If FFXIV is a grand-slam and does really well, that would be awesome. I'm just concerned about "that certain crowd" of people who will be invariably drawn to it because they want to be "part of the latest big thing". Right now, Aion seems to have them occupied... but if FFXIV seems tempting enough... I dunno... I guess it's a fool's hope, but would kinda like to see a community in XIV a little closer to XI's than what is often described in Aion/WoW.
Yeah I hear you. I think the amount of players, and the type of players of FFXI was damn near perfect. You really only need enough players to fill up a server, and because the servers were global most of the ones they had were pretty close to full 24/7. It really was ideal. I wouldn't mind at all if SWTOR, and Blizzard's new MMO came out a week before FFXIV to keep some of these people like Odella out of FFXIV.
first 2 links, are franchises. Not game. and since were talking about a game that has one player, and mmo. outranked. not to mention (haven't looked at link) a games number in the franchise is more of a factor then just saying the amount; And for MMO's its not the sales, its the subscribers.
Long thread...I didn't read most of it, but I'm going to have to agree with the decision to give FFXIV Most Anticipated. I think it's fair to say that SWTOR might slip into early 2011. And also, TOR is looking to be a single-player game with multi-player aspects, whereas FFXIV is a definitely a MMOG. I'm looking forward to both games, but I think in the spirit of the award, FFXIV deserves this one.
Only thing that worries me about FFXIV is whether it will satisfy solo players, or those who like to at least solo sometimes. The biggest problem I had with FF XI is that it wasn't solo-friendly at all and the language barrier could be brutal, too. I hope SE learned a trick or two from NCSoft about how to localize a game for the Western market. I'm not saying Aion is great or anything, but I do give NCSoft props for making it a viable game for the Western world.
Just thought I would clear up a few misconceptions about some definitions;
1. Star Wars is neither fantasy or Sci-fi, it occupies a specific niche which is known as space-opera. It has no plausible basis in reality and indeed doesn't make any pretenses concerning scientific accuracy nor plausibility. That's an awefully silly term to discribe an IP. No one honestly thinks/calls it a space opera (even though technically it is). Everyone accepts that it is sci-fi 2. High Fantasy refers to the relative distension of accepted scientific principles. The more out there - implausible - FANTASTIC a setting is the HIGHER the level of fantasy. Fore example Final Fantasy would be considered very much high fantasy, where as Lord of the Rings would be considered relatively low fantasy. I'm sorry but Lord of the rings is not low fantasy. Low fantasy generally has little to no magic, no fantastical creatures, normally takes place in our world or some sort of crossover takes place (Harry Potter for example) and (not always) the story is not as epic as high fantasy tales. With that out of the way, I did learn something reading this thread; that is why Final Fantasy was named Final Fantasy. I must say I feel stupider for it. I am not surprised that such an idiotic, shallow, and downright stupid series of games would be produced by someone who would name there game based upon its relevance to the company instead of, oh I don't know, its relevance to the in game story maybe? possible translation issues? I've never really gotten into FF (never liked the games let alone the lore) but i guess there is something in there that links all of the stories together Before my fiance, I had never actually met anyone who played a FF game, I had my doubts considering I had yet to be entertained by anything coming out of Japan But I gave FF10 a try simply because she enjoyed a few of the games, It was as moronic an experience as anticipated. I can understand that some people just like these types of simple games, there are people that play checkers after all. But people defending them as a deep experience or as something they could do day in and day out to the extent that most people play an MMO? Well I guess people played Diablo II for years (MY GOD HOW?!) Either way though calling FFIV the most anticipated game of 2010 has to be some kind of bad joke. It was voted in because the old FF (the online one which you have clearly never tried) is infact quite well done (for an MMO), is the only MMO so far to successfully intergrate the console market and (while grindy) promotes group play and class changing (something a lot of MMO's fail to do). All that has cemented it a strong community who (while not all still play) are looking forward to a new installment of the game.
MMO wish list:
-Changeable worlds -Solid non level based game -Sharks with lasers attached to their heads
first 2 links, are franchises. Not game. and since were talking about a game that has one player, and mmo. outranked. not to mention (haven't looked at link) a games number in the franchise is more of a factor then just saying the amount; And for MMO's its not the sales, its the subscribers.
It was in response to "It's a well known fact that any asian game has a very difficult time drawing in western gamers, let alone keeping them."
If you disagree then explain why.
I'm telling you FF is in the top 5-6 franchise with most Japanese games being in the top 10. You can't argue that.
You post without even knowing why I posted the links in the first place.
possible translation issues? I've never really gotten into FF (never liked the games let alone the lore) but i guess there is something in there that links all of the stories together
There is virtually noting that links the stories together, The only story in FF series that has a direct sequal is FFX with FFX-2. Most have things in common like chocobo and mogules. Alot of monsters makes apperances in most the series, Like the arhima and malbro, stuff of that sort. Also some summons apear in multiple games. Only one instance of bosses being re-use forgot the game that used it, but the four feinds and garland (Bosses from the first FF game)made an aperance in another FF game, but the game was not centered around them again. Nothing links the stories toghether. All of them are 100% different except x and x-2.
Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore) Now Playing: N/A Worst MMO: FFXIV Favorite MMO: FFXI
All I have to say is if it doesnt suit your tastes thats fine, You dont have to sit here and take shots a Square and the japanese products. I personally have the same veiws as you when it comes to western RPG's, there shallow, lame, mostly hack and slash, with no thought or strategy required in a fight. That doesnt make them crap that just means there not for me Id much rather have a jrpg where theres a well thought out story and more strategic game play present, but thats just my opinion.
Theres a reason the ff series has made it to number 14, Millions upon millions of FF titles have sold, Theres more than enough of people who love the game series. I dont even know why were discussing the single player titles anyways. This is an MMO site. FFXI experience isnt even remotely related to the single player experience. If your naive enough to think the mmo is just like the single player game, I say good riddance.
Actually my main reason for making the original post was simply to inform some posters about a few definitions; Space-Opera, High Fantasy, and Low Fantasy to be exact.
I stated my opinion about about Final Fantasy in specific and Japanese entertainment in general. Its an opinion which is VERY widely held in the western markets. Its really why Japanese entertainment has been such a colossal failure here, you do realize that with virtually no exceptions there have been no commercial successes in the western market for any Japanese entertainment right?
As for the rest of your post, I find it difficult to believe that even you believe most of it? A well thought out story? Seriously? I have sampled enough of Japanese premiere story telling to know that it is virtually all idiotic. And your seriously going to compare the depth of game play of western MMO's to eastern MMO's? Seriously? Eastern MMO's have some nice graphics, In fact I would say overall they generally have better graphics then western MMO's if not significantly better but game-play?
Final Fantasy began on consoles that couldn't handle anything more then the most mind numbingly simple game play imaginable and they never evolved from that. Japanese video games are the equivalent of Japanese comic books, devoid of any serious worth at all.
I don't know what kind of general social insanity grips the Japanese that makes them produce and seemingly appreciate such asinine stories. I can only hope that someday they actually grow out of it.
Regardless however, this is an MMO site, and an English one at that. So I again would point out that NO Asian MMO has had a significant impact on the western market. Yes FFXI may have hundreds of thousands of players but seriously who gives a fuck? They are almost all Asian, and gamers who for the most part are interested in completely different game play then the vast majority of western gamers.
Will FFXIV do well commercially in Asia? Sure I think it will. Will it ever become significant in the west? Not a hope in hell. So no, listing it as the most anticipated game of 2010 is a little idiotic.
This BTW is coming from someone who despises PVP in MMO's. So I truly wish I could look forward to FFXIV. But I am a realist on these issues.
It's actually quite amazing just how poorly informed you are. Japanese entertainment has been a failure in the west? Are you serious?
After the video game crash of 1983, The western gaming market was saved entirely by japanese entertainment companies, which have continued to dominate the western market since the release of the Nintendo Entertainment system. Even today, there is only 1 western console available, while there are currently 5 japanese consoles around. 4 of those systems have outsold the western console in western territories. In fact, there is not a single western console that has come anywhere near the amount of sales that japanese consoles had in western territories. Japanese games also continue to be among the best selling games this generation. Gaming as we know it would not exist without japanese companies. We don't even need to talk about video games just to highlight how ignorant your statement really is.
Anime like Dragon Ball Z and Naruto are among the most watched tv shows for kids and teens in the west, and lets not forget about possibly the biggest japanese cultural phenomena in the west: Pokemon, which is arguably the biggest entertainment hype of the late 90's and early 2000. It has a tv show that has been on air for almost 13 years now, an insanely popular trading card game and gameboy games of which the pokemon red and blue sold over 9 million copies in the US alone. Pokemon gold and silver sold another 7 million in the US alone.
Japanese storytelling in JRPG is miles better than western rpg storytelling. Characters feel real, they show actual emotion and the universes are often unique. Developers of western RPGS rarely create their own universe, often doing nothing more than just simply copy and paste generic fantasy cliches with dwarves, elves and dragons.
I agree that JRPG games have never evolved, but I like it that way. I'd rather have them stick to tried and true systems then what wrpgs had to go through. WRPGS went from turn based to awfully simplistic point and click game that are even worse than turn based. Current popular WRPGS try to mix other genres into rpgs, which is why we got the ridiculous gears of war style mix in Mass Effect and Fallout 3 is played like a first person shooter. I'm glad JRPGS never turned into that.
If you think asian mmorpgs had no impact on western market, think again. Why do you think so many western developers like Turbine and SOE are currently jumping on the free to play bandwagon? Because asian free to play games like Maple Story and Silkroad online have turned out to be huge successful games.
It is clear Final Fantasy XI was a huge success here in the west and i'm sure FFXIV will be too.
Man I just LOVE the FFXIV posts on this site. Anyways. I had tried FFXI long after I had started WoW so it would be unfair to judge this game for me anyways. There are only a few things in an MMO that I care about. PvE AND PvP. I have to have both. Ganking and even getting ganked can be both fun and amusing. Combat system. Yeah. That defines itself. And my most notorious complaint among most MMO's, here we go. You ready? It's a long one. An open and seem-less world with complete free roaming environments WITHOUT the invisible walls and loading screens from zone to zone. I grew up on the series since my first Nintendo console back in '88. And as a console based RPG I loved it. However if the fore-mentioned requirements of MY seal of approval, as well as my wallet, is not satisfied, then I'm not going to bother and continue to keep my eye on Tera Online and Lineage II. And if all else fails, I'll just stick with WoW. Just my 2 cents.
Man I just LOVE the FFXIV posts on this site. Anyways. I had tried FFXI long after I had started WoW so it would be unfair to judge this game for me anyways. There are only a few things in an MMO that I care about. PvE AND PvP. I have to have both. Ganking and even getting ganked can be both fun and amusing. Combat system. Yeah. That defines itself. And my most notorious complaint among most MMO's, here we go. You ready? It's a long one. An open and seem-less world with complete free roaming environments WITHOUT the invisible walls and loading screens from zone to zone. I grew up on the series since my first Nintendo console back in '88. And as a console based RPG I loved it. However if the fore-mentioned requirements of MY seal of approval, as well as my wallet, is not satisfied, then I'm not going to bother and continue to keep my eye on Tera Online and Lineage II. And if all else fails, I'll just stick with WoW. Just my 2 cents.
This is how a sceptics post should be, not taking un-needed shots at anything.
I dont know if you know this but if PvP is a must for you, you will be dissapointed because the devs said there really wont be PvP at launch, and there will never be open world PvP. but if your up for an almost seemless world, which will have great PvE then keep an eye on ffxiv.
Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore) Now Playing: N/A Worst MMO: FFXIV Favorite MMO: FFXI
Man I just LOVE the FFXIV posts on this site. Anyways. I had tried FFXI long after I had started WoW so it would be unfair to judge this game for me anyways. There are only a few things in an MMO that I care about. PvE AND PvP. I have to have both. Ganking and even getting ganked can be both fun and amusing. Combat system. Yeah. That defines itself. And my most notorious complaint among most MMO's, here we go. You ready? It's a long one. An open and seem-less world with complete free roaming environments WITHOUT the invisible walls and loading screens from zone to zone. I grew up on the series since my first Nintendo console back in '88. And as a console based RPG I loved it. However if the fore-mentioned requirements of MY seal of approval, as well as my wallet, is not satisfied, then I'm not going to bother and continue to keep my eye on Tera Online and Lineage II. And if all else fails, I'll just stick with WoW. Just my 2 cents.
Well said.
PvP is not planned for the initial launch of XIV. SEs also stated that if they do, it will be similar to XIs ballista. Not direct player vs player, but like a sport. It's a love/hate thing.
Combat seems to be a bit faster then XIs, but definitely not like WoWs twitch style combat. No auto attack in XIV suggests a more methodical combat style. SEs also hinted at the fact that some monsters have an evolving AI for combat. WoWs combat wasn't too bad, but once you played through the game enough times from 1 to 80, you should realize just how simple WoWs is. It's all scripted and very predictable. Especially with all the combat add ons floating around.
It really wasn't Squares fault for doing the whole zoning thing. The PS2 was just way too restrictive for an open seem-less world. You won't have to worry about that in XIV though, they've already clarified it will be seem-less except for entering and leaving major cities.
At least your giving it some thought and having a list of criterias. Unlike some other bozos who have completely written off the game even before betas started because of some trivial things. We need more posters like this to get a good debate going.
FFXIV should be the most anticipated MMo since 2004. If anyone can finally cater to casual and hardcore players, solo and group play it's Square Enix. This will be the closest to a WoW killer we will have.
FFXIV should be the most anticipated MMo since 2004. If anyone can finally cater to casual and hardcore players, solo and group play it's Square Enix. This will be the closest to a WoW killer we will have.
While I agree with majority of your post, I hope we can stop using the term 'wow killer' as that term was I believe created to generate more hype for wow. It's like, they come to the board and say sarcastically, "i bet that's going to be a wow killer" and in turn makes certain readers "realize" that wow is the big dog, which I personally don't think it is, although it's a fairly good game.
FFXIV should be the most anticipated MMo since 2004. If anyone can finally cater to casual and hardcore players, solo and group play it's Square Enix. This will be the closest to a WoW killer we will have.
The game that kills wow will have WoW's population, no one wants that. Anyways I dont think this will even dent wow's population because this games is catering to ffxi fans first, and thats the part that i am most excited about.
Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore) Now Playing: N/A Worst MMO: FFXIV Favorite MMO: FFXI
Long thread...I didn't read most of it, but I'm going to have to agree with the decision to give FFXIV Most Anticipated. I think it's fair to say that SWTOR might slip into early 2011. And also, TOR is looking to be a single-player game with multi-player aspects, whereas FFXIV is a definitely a MMOG. I'm looking forward to both games, but I think in the spirit of the award, FFXIV deserves this one. Only thing that worries me about FFXIV is whether it will satisfy solo players, or those who like to at least solo sometimes. The biggest problem I had with FF XI is that it wasn't solo-friendly at all and the language barrier could be brutal, too. I hope SE learned a trick or two from NCSoft about how to localize a game for the Western market. I'm not saying Aion is great or anything, but I do give NCSoft props for making it a viable game for the Western world.
only responding to the " TOR is looking to be a single-player game with multi-player aspects" part...
even though no one has played it yet, by looking at it i would agree, and i kind of understand why. Bioware is use to making 1p RPGS, with a lot of story and all. They really are not ready to take on a MMO market with having no experience on releasing multiplayer games.
first 2 links, are franchises. Not game. and since were talking about a game that has one player, and mmo. outranked. not to mention (haven't looked at link) a games number in the franchise is more of a factor then just saying the amount; And for MMO's its not the sales, its the subscribers.
It was in response to "It's a well known fact that any asian game has a very difficult time drawing in western gamers, let alone keeping them."
If you disagree then explain why.
I'm telling you FF is in the top 5-6 franchise with most Japanese games being in the top 10. You can't argue that.
You post without even knowing why I posted the links in the first place.
F.. backspace made me loose my whole post. i don feel like re-typing it all, so ill paraphrase it.
Not all respond to that, hence there is a nice good fraction of a community who love eastern games, and don't complain much. (me for one)
I slightly disagree/agree. The games had a head start in a franchise from being one of first on that console, or early in time. EVEN GTA. And how is it hard, when mario/tetris are were insanely popular on a gameboy. No problem there everyone had to have it, and since they remember mario, they still play it.
Never did say i hated FF, nor liked it. i played 10 almost all the way through (friend was living with me, had it) he moved out before i finished tho, But i only played it cuz i like story driven. The point is.. People don't like story driven, they like gameplay driven. (More western gamers do) Thats why it only got 5/6 because a lot of people think its boring, 'turn base'+'lots of cut scenes they have to watch (and dont care about them)'
didn't care why you posted links, didn't seem necessary really, not going to make people buy more FF, or buy less.
~Also, never said i hated/liked FF MMO. I just wonder why people insult/defend a game so heavily; When they haven't even played it. Wait for a beta, then make your accusations until then, just clap i guess. As for my opinion on the game, i really predict it will not be a huge success, might sell a good amount of boxes, but then slowly decline back to the FF fan boys/girls who played 11, and some new comers.
Yikes, this one was kind of a sleeper. I thought for sure SW:TOR would have the spot, and as much as I dislike STO, I thought it would be runner up.
Color me wrong. I'm actually pleased that this is the case, lol.
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Well. I guess I could look at it from this perspective. I'll always have WoW and others for PvP. I think the biggest reason why the FF series had become a major part of my RPG life is the fact that it had everything. Storyline, character development, humor and just plain unforgettable moments. I remember sitting there during epic moments and just getting so into it that I just wanted to share the experience with people. Now in a MMO format you have that. Questing with friends and all being part of the experience focusing more on the progression of story and our toons. Its like this. There are some games you don't mind watching even if you aren't the one that's playing. Except this one everyone can get involved. In any case, it's going to be fun. Add this game to my list! BOOYA!
Now we can finally put to rest why SW:TOR did not win this award. Bioware confirmed that it plans to release this game in spring 2011. Thus making it a non contender for most anticipated game of 2010. Good Job MMORPG.com for catching this before bioware announced it.
I think its rather safe to say that SW will win it next year.
Edit: Actually by that time Guild Wars II may be a huge contender.
Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore) Now Playing: N/A Worst MMO: FFXIV Favorite MMO: FFXI
well, i'm still waiting on SWTOR first and I'll wait for the free trial on FFXIV. SE makes quality games but Bioware does it better. but of course that's just my opinion...
plus I'm tired of high fantasy, i'm ready for some sci-fi and Star Wars is cooler than Star Trek. :P
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Space Opera is sometimes used to categorize Star Wars, but the fundantion of the narrative is based on High Fantasy patterns.
High Fantasy is not exactly related to "distension of accepted scientific principles". You are not acurrate when you say High Fantasy is related to a "higher level of fantasy". Maybe this is your honest opinion about the subject wich is fine but it is not compatible with all the literary definitions accepted to categorize the style.
Lord of the Rings is not a Low Fantasy story. Tolkien's work is one of the most expressive examples of High Fantasy.
I don't understand why you started saying "Just thought I would clear up a few misconceptions about some definitions" and used the most common misconception, the idea that High Fantasy is "higher" because of the "amount" of fantasy used. This is an aesthetical detail only and does not affect the patterns of the narrative.
KieraLei posted a nice, simple and very understandable definition of High Fantasy style here.
Strangely this idea that Lord of the Rings has anything to do with Low Fantasy is very common here on these forums but it is far from the truth when we talk about literary styles. Tolkien's work never was used as an example of Low Fantasy outside "gaming" forums. Robert E. Howard stories are a good example of Low Fantasy.
Edit-I mentioned the term Space Opera here in my first post, (as you claim S.W. is not H.F. but S.O) in the past Space Opera was a negative term, more related to cheap scient fiction, it changed later on but it still is a relatively new and openly term that has much more of a comercial appeal than a literary strong base and this definition express much more the "skin" of Star Wars than its narrative. As I mentioned in my first post on this topic, it is not "wrong" to call S.W. a Space Opera, but it didn't change the fact that all the base and narrative of S.W. follows the High Fantasy style.
Here is the definition posted by KieraLei. (This simple definition would be enough to show you that the idea of Star Wars and Lord of the Rings (especially LoTR) as examples of High Fantasy is not a misconception.)
High Fantasy or Epic Fantasy is one of the subgenres of fantasy fiction. It is the largest part of the genre being published today. Epic fantasies are characterized by long involved plots, a secondary world and two basic themes....
Most High Fantasy books have long involved plots. Many of the books are trilogies or longer series. This allows for the development of characters, grand settings and sweeping stories with multiple subplots. This gives a challenge to the reader to do some serious consideration of the themes.
High fantasy usually takes place in a secondary world that involves magic and strange beings. It uses noble characters, archetypes and elevated style. Writers either ignore our world, set the secondary world in some relationship with ours or use a world-within-a-world technique. Stories use a commoner hero that rises to the occasion or a morally ambivalent hero who can't decide between good and evil.
High Fantasy works mostly with two themes. One theme is the struggle for supremecy between good and evil, light and darkness, order and chaos. The other major theme is the quest. A quest is a search for a magical object or person which can save the world. Quests are always toward something; they are a spiritual or religious undertaking.
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Actually my main reason for making the original post was simply to inform some posters about a few definitions; Space-Opera, High Fantasy, and Low Fantasy to be exact.
I stated my opinion about about Final Fantasy in specific and Japanese entertainment in general. Its an opinion which is VERY widely held in the western markets. Its really why Japanese entertainment has been such a colossal failure here, you do realize that with virtually no exceptions there have been no commercial successes in the western market for any Japanese entertainment right?
As for the rest of your post, I find it difficult to believe that even you believe most of it? A well thought out story? Seriously? I have sampled enough of Japanese premiere story telling to know that it is virtually all idiotic. And your seriously going to compare the depth of game play of western MMO's to eastern MMO's? Seriously? Eastern MMO's have some nice graphics, In fact I would say overall they generally have better graphics then western MMO's if not significantly better but game-play?
Final Fantasy began on consoles that couldn't handle anything more then the most mind numbingly simple game play imaginable and they never evolved from that. Japanese video games are the equivalent of Japanese comic books, devoid of any serious worth at all.
I don't know what kind of general social insanity grips the Japanese that makes them produce and seemingly appreciate such asinine stories. I can only hope that someday they actually grow out of it.
Regardless however, this is an MMO site, and an English one at that. So I again would point out that NO Asian MMO has had a significant impact on the western market. Yes FFXI may have hundreds of thousands of players but seriously who gives a fuck? They are almost all Asian, and gamers who for the most part are interested in completely different game play then the vast majority of western gamers.
Will FFXIV do well commercially in Asia? Sure I think it will. Will it ever become significant in the west? Not a hope in hell. So no, listing it as the most anticipated game of 2010 is a little idiotic.
This BTW is coming from someone who despises PVP in MMO's. So I truly wish I could look forward to FFXIV. But I am a realist on these issues.
Dude your not a realist. Your living in your own fantasy. FFXI had more asian gamers then west? Where are your sources for that? Do you mean to tell me that FFXI didn't have a few hundred thousand subs in the west? Where are you sources for that? You live without any proof or logic. Your post lacks any proof or logic. Your stereotyping the entire western gaming community and your making you and the entire community look pathetic and sad. Not that they are, but posts like yours make it seem like games from Japan or any country not American or European can't make a buck in this country and that's false. I don't know where you've been hiding, but step outside of your house. Japanese entertainment is what created the term 'weeabo' if you've ever heard it.
About 'asian games' I find it pathetic that you don't realize that the top 3 games in the top 5 most subscribed MMOs are from ONE company from Korea..that's right, NCsoft (Aion, Lineage, L2) and they are all games that have had success here in America (if you don't think so, you can't prove me wrong). There are no sources or backup statements that prove otherwise (saying that it was popular in Asia rather than America, there are no articles or sources for that). Don't forget the f2p games that made it to mainstream news outlets because of children using their parents credit cards and boasting the highest subscription rating of all time (Maplestory) and Nexon is one of the top contenders in the MMORPG industry along with a bazillion Korean MMO companies and they operate here in the U.S. as well with their subsidiaries.
Only western game you can brag about is Wow unfortunately. Not hating, but it's a fact. Every game according to you guys are 'a fail' and I find that disheartening as all gaming companies should be given a chance rather than hated for not being 'wow'.
The same can be said of you. Where are your numbers to prove that FFXI is a western success story? It's a well known fact that any asian game has a very difficult time drawing in western gamers, let alone keeping them.
There is a reason why Aion, the most popular asian game in the western market, is frantically putting out more casual and less grindy content, thanks in whole to bleeding western subs. Logic tells me that while they have tons of asian subs, they make more money off western subscribers. I mean, why try so hard to make inroads into such a small segment of the global player base unless it's quite profitable to do so. Yet they seem to fail everytime. Whether it's due to cultural blindness or their inability to come out with a "grind lite" game, who knows, but they still haven't figured it out and I seriously doubt that SE will ever "get us".
I don't know, I'm not moronic enough to state facts without proof. I'm asking him to provide any kind so we can make sure he's not imagining things. Same should be said of you. How the hell you come to the conclusion that Aion is the most popular asian game in the western market. Are you for real? Hello? Japanese companies (Nintendo, Sony) aren't asian or something? They have huge franchises behind their back, some that are household names (Mario, etc..) Logic tells you they make more money off westerners, well that's true. That's why you see a gazillion Korean game companies have subsidiaries and offices here, producing mass amounts of MMOs (particularly f2p, less development time and more in return in many cases). You said they fail everytime. Really? everytime? So they're losing money being here yet they continue to produce more and more MMOs to ship here? Does your logic tell you that? Regarding SE, I can tell you without a doubt, and there is no way you can dispute this, is that Final Fantasy is one of the biggest gaming franchises in gaming history. Top 10, maybe top 5. Maybe you're new to the internet. Yea, that's probably right. Welcome to 2010. Also, I never played FFXI but will XIV a try without any worries. I trust SE to produce quality every time. My first and favorite RPGs are Lunar: The Silverstar Story and FF7. Both incredible. You might want to check up on them.
So you think Japanese games failed?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_game_franchises
videogames.yahoo.com/feature/the-top-10-best-selling-game-franchises/532199-2
www.askmen.com/top_10/entertainment_300/317b_top_10_list.html
Final Fantasy is in the top 6 of all of them and these were the first three google searches that came up. I'm sure you can get better sources but you get the idea.
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But but... some people have talked to a number of people around the world who do not play FF, so certainly that undermines those seemingly impressive numbers!
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But anyway... back in reality...
I'll be honest... FFXIV taking that award concerns me. Not because I'm a greedy person who wants FFXIV all to myself, etc. etc. If FFXIV is a grand-slam and does really well, that would be awesome. I'm just concerned about "that certain crowd" of people who will be invariably drawn to it because they want to be "part of the latest big thing". Right now, Aion seems to have them occupied... but if FFXIV seems tempting enough... I dunno... I guess it's a fool's hope, but would kinda like to see a community in XIV a little closer to XI's than what is often described in Aion/WoW.
Yeah I hear you. I think the amount of players, and the type of players of FFXI was damn near perfect. You really only need enough players to fill up a server, and because the servers were global most of the ones they had were pretty close to full 24/7. It really was ideal. I wouldn't mind at all if SWTOR, and Blizzard's new MMO came out a week before FFXIV to keep some of these people like Odella out of FFXIV.
first 2 links, are franchises. Not game. and since were talking about a game that has one player, and mmo. outranked. not to mention (haven't looked at link) a games number in the franchise is more of a factor then just saying the amount; And for MMO's its not the sales, its the subscribers.
Long thread...I didn't read most of it, but I'm going to have to agree with the decision to give FFXIV Most Anticipated. I think it's fair to say that SWTOR might slip into early 2011. And also, TOR is looking to be a single-player game with multi-player aspects, whereas FFXIV is a definitely a MMOG. I'm looking forward to both games, but I think in the spirit of the award, FFXIV deserves this one.
Only thing that worries me about FFXIV is whether it will satisfy solo players, or those who like to at least solo sometimes. The biggest problem I had with FF XI is that it wasn't solo-friendly at all and the language barrier could be brutal, too. I hope SE learned a trick or two from NCSoft about how to localize a game for the Western market. I'm not saying Aion is great or anything, but I do give NCSoft props for making it a viable game for the Western world.
MMO wish list:
-Changeable worlds
-Solid non level based game
-Sharks with lasers attached to their heads
first 2 links, are franchises. Not game. and since were talking about a game that has one player, and mmo. outranked. not to mention (haven't looked at link) a games number in the franchise is more of a factor then just saying the amount; And for MMO's its not the sales, its the subscribers.
It was in response to "It's a well known fact that any asian game has a very difficult time drawing in western gamers, let alone keeping them."
If you disagree then explain why.
I'm telling you FF is in the top 5-6 franchise with most Japanese games being in the top 10. You can't argue that.
You post without even knowing why I posted the links in the first place.
There is virtually noting that links the stories together, The only story in FF series that has a direct sequal is FFX with FFX-2. Most have things in common like chocobo and mogules. Alot of monsters makes apperances in most the series, Like the arhima and malbro, stuff of that sort. Also some summons apear in multiple games. Only one instance of bosses being re-use forgot the game that used it, but the four feinds and garland (Bosses from the first FF game)made an aperance in another FF game, but the game was not centered around them again. Nothing links the stories toghether. All of them are 100% different except x and x-2.
Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore)
Now Playing: N/A
Worst MMO: FFXIV
Favorite MMO: FFXI
Actually my main reason for making the original post was simply to inform some posters about a few definitions; Space-Opera, High Fantasy, and Low Fantasy to be exact.
I stated my opinion about about Final Fantasy in specific and Japanese entertainment in general. Its an opinion which is VERY widely held in the western markets. Its really why Japanese entertainment has been such a colossal failure here, you do realize that with virtually no exceptions there have been no commercial successes in the western market for any Japanese entertainment right?
As for the rest of your post, I find it difficult to believe that even you believe most of it? A well thought out story? Seriously? I have sampled enough of Japanese premiere story telling to know that it is virtually all idiotic. And your seriously going to compare the depth of game play of western MMO's to eastern MMO's? Seriously? Eastern MMO's have some nice graphics, In fact I would say overall they generally have better graphics then western MMO's if not significantly better but game-play?
Final Fantasy began on consoles that couldn't handle anything more then the most mind numbingly simple game play imaginable and they never evolved from that. Japanese video games are the equivalent of Japanese comic books, devoid of any serious worth at all.
I don't know what kind of general social insanity grips the Japanese that makes them produce and seemingly appreciate such asinine stories. I can only hope that someday they actually grow out of it.
Regardless however, this is an MMO site, and an English one at that. So I again would point out that NO Asian MMO has had a significant impact on the western market. Yes FFXI may have hundreds of thousands of players but seriously who gives a fuck? They are almost all Asian, and gamers who for the most part are interested in completely different game play then the vast majority of western gamers.
Will FFXIV do well commercially in Asia? Sure I think it will. Will it ever become significant in the west? Not a hope in hell. So no, listing it as the most anticipated game of 2010 is a little idiotic.
This BTW is coming from someone who despises PVP in MMO's. So I truly wish I could look forward to FFXIV. But I am a realist on these issues.
It's actually quite amazing just how poorly informed you are. Japanese entertainment has been a failure in the west? Are you serious?
After the video game crash of 1983, The western gaming market was saved entirely by japanese entertainment companies, which have continued to dominate the western market since the release of the Nintendo Entertainment system. Even today, there is only 1 western console available, while there are currently 5 japanese consoles around. 4 of those systems have outsold the western console in western territories. In fact, there is not a single western console that has come anywhere near the amount of sales that japanese consoles had in western territories. Japanese games also continue to be among the best selling games this generation. Gaming as we know it would not exist without japanese companies. We don't even need to talk about video games just to highlight how ignorant your statement really is.
Anime like Dragon Ball Z and Naruto are among the most watched tv shows for kids and teens in the west, and lets not forget about possibly the biggest japanese cultural phenomena in the west: Pokemon, which is arguably the biggest entertainment hype of the late 90's and early 2000. It has a tv show that has been on air for almost 13 years now, an insanely popular trading card game and gameboy games of which the pokemon red and blue sold over 9 million copies in the US alone. Pokemon gold and silver sold another 7 million in the US alone.
Japanese storytelling in JRPG is miles better than western rpg storytelling. Characters feel real, they show actual emotion and the universes are often unique. Developers of western RPGS rarely create their own universe, often doing nothing more than just simply copy and paste generic fantasy cliches with dwarves, elves and dragons.
I agree that JRPG games have never evolved, but I like it that way. I'd rather have them stick to tried and true systems then what wrpgs had to go through. WRPGS went from turn based to awfully simplistic point and click game that are even worse than turn based. Current popular WRPGS try to mix other genres into rpgs, which is why we got the ridiculous gears of war style mix in Mass Effect and Fallout 3 is played like a first person shooter. I'm glad JRPGS never turned into that.
If you think asian mmorpgs had no impact on western market, think again. Why do you think so many western developers like Turbine and SOE are currently jumping on the free to play bandwagon? Because asian free to play games like Maple Story and Silkroad online have turned out to be huge successful games.
It is clear Final Fantasy XI was a huge success here in the west and i'm sure FFXIV will be too.
Man I just LOVE the FFXIV posts on this site. Anyways. I had tried FFXI long after I had started WoW so it would be unfair to judge this game for me anyways. There are only a few things in an MMO that I care about. PvE AND PvP. I have to have both. Ganking and even getting ganked can be both fun and amusing. Combat system. Yeah. That defines itself. And my most notorious complaint among most MMO's, here we go. You ready? It's a long one. An open and seem-less world with complete free roaming environments WITHOUT the invisible walls and loading screens from zone to zone. I grew up on the series since my first Nintendo console back in '88. And as a console based RPG I loved it. However if the fore-mentioned requirements of MY seal of approval, as well as my wallet, is not satisfied, then I'm not going to bother and continue to keep my eye on Tera Online and Lineage II. And if all else fails, I'll just stick with WoW. Just my 2 cents.
Getting too old for this $&17!
This is how a sceptics post should be, not taking un-needed shots at anything.
I dont know if you know this but if PvP is a must for you, you will be dissapointed because the devs said there really wont be PvP at launch, and there will never be open world PvP. but if your up for an almost seemless world, which will have great PvE then keep an eye on ffxiv.
Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore)
Now Playing: N/A
Worst MMO: FFXIV
Favorite MMO: FFXI
Well said.
PvP is not planned for the initial launch of XIV. SEs also stated that if they do, it will be similar to XIs ballista. Not direct player vs player, but like a sport. It's a love/hate thing.
Combat seems to be a bit faster then XIs, but definitely not like WoWs twitch style combat. No auto attack in XIV suggests a more methodical combat style. SEs also hinted at the fact that some monsters have an evolving AI for combat. WoWs combat wasn't too bad, but once you played through the game enough times from 1 to 80, you should realize just how simple WoWs is. It's all scripted and very predictable. Especially with all the combat add ons floating around.
It really wasn't Squares fault for doing the whole zoning thing. The PS2 was just way too restrictive for an open seem-less world. You won't have to worry about that in XIV though, they've already clarified it will be seem-less except for entering and leaving major cities.
At least your giving it some thought and having a list of criterias. Unlike some other bozos who have completely written off the game even before betas started because of some trivial things. We need more posters like this to get a good debate going.
FFXIV should be the most anticipated MMo since 2004. If anyone can finally cater to casual and hardcore players, solo and group play it's Square Enix. This will be the closest to a WoW killer we will have.
While I agree with majority of your post, I hope we can stop using the term 'wow killer' as that term was I believe created to generate more hype for wow. It's like, they come to the board and say sarcastically, "i bet that's going to be a wow killer" and in turn makes certain readers "realize" that wow is the big dog, which I personally don't think it is, although it's a fairly good game.
The game that kills wow will have WoW's population, no one wants that. Anyways I dont think this will even dent wow's population because this games is catering to ffxi fans first, and thats the part that i am most excited about.
Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore)
Now Playing: N/A
Worst MMO: FFXIV
Favorite MMO: FFXI
only responding to the " TOR is looking to be a single-player game with multi-player aspects" part...
even though no one has played it yet, by looking at it i would agree, and i kind of understand why. Bioware is use to making 1p RPGS, with a lot of story and all. They really are not ready to take on a MMO market with having no experience on releasing multiplayer games.
first 2 links, are franchises. Not game. and since were talking about a game that has one player, and mmo. outranked. not to mention (haven't looked at link) a games number in the franchise is more of a factor then just saying the amount; And for MMO's its not the sales, its the subscribers.
It was in response to "It's a well known fact that any asian game has a very difficult time drawing in western gamers, let alone keeping them."
If you disagree then explain why.
I'm telling you FF is in the top 5-6 franchise with most Japanese games being in the top 10. You can't argue that.
You post without even knowing why I posted the links in the first place.
F.. backspace made me loose my whole post. i don feel like re-typing it all, so ill paraphrase it.
Not all respond to that, hence there is a nice good fraction of a community who love eastern games, and don't complain much. (me for one)
I slightly disagree/agree. The games had a head start in a franchise from being one of first on that console, or early in time. EVEN GTA. And how is it hard, when mario/tetris are were insanely popular on a gameboy. No problem there everyone had to have it, and since they remember mario, they still play it.
Never did say i hated FF, nor liked it. i played 10 almost all the way through (friend was living with me, had it) he moved out before i finished tho, But i only played it cuz i like story driven. The point is.. People don't like story driven, they like gameplay driven. (More western gamers do) Thats why it only got 5/6 because a lot of people think its boring, 'turn base'+'lots of cut scenes they have to watch (and dont care about them)'
didn't care why you posted links, didn't seem necessary really, not going to make people buy more FF, or buy less.
~Also, never said i hated/liked FF MMO. I just wonder why people insult/defend a game so heavily; When they haven't even played it. Wait for a beta, then make your accusations until then, just clap i guess. As for my opinion on the game, i really predict it will not be a huge success, might sell a good amount of boxes, but then slowly decline back to the FF fan boys/girls who played 11, and some new comers.
Yikes, this one was kind of a sleeper. I thought for sure SW:TOR would have the spot, and as much as I dislike STO, I thought it would be runner up.
Color me wrong. I'm actually pleased that this is the case, lol.
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Anyone else notice that the banner graphic says "most anticipated game of 2009"? doh!
Well. I guess I could look at it from this perspective. I'll always have WoW and others for PvP. I think the biggest reason why the FF series had become a major part of my RPG life is the fact that it had everything. Storyline, character development, humor and just plain unforgettable moments. I remember sitting there during epic moments and just getting so into it that I just wanted to share the experience with people. Now in a MMO format you have that. Questing with friends and all being part of the experience focusing more on the progression of story and our toons. Its like this. There are some games you don't mind watching even if you aren't the one that's playing. Except this one everyone can get involved. In any case, it's going to be fun. Add this game to my list! BOOYA!
Getting too old for this $&17!
Are you all really serious? Geez...
Anyway, I hope FFXIV will be just as fun as FFXI, and more.
Now we can finally put to rest why SW:TOR did not win this award. Bioware confirmed that it plans to release this game in spring 2011. Thus making it a non contender for most anticipated game of 2010. Good Job MMORPG.com for catching this before bioware announced it.
I think its rather safe to say that SW will win it next year.
Edit: Actually by that time Guild Wars II may be a huge contender.
Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore)
Now Playing: N/A
Worst MMO: FFXIV
Favorite MMO: FFXI
well, i'm still waiting on SWTOR first and I'll wait for the free trial on FFXIV. SE makes quality games but Bioware does it better. but of course that's just my opinion...
plus I'm tired of high fantasy, i'm ready for some sci-fi and Star Wars is cooler than Star Trek. :P