Originally posted by Rekindle F2P is a terrible model by which to offer a gaming service. There is a lot of merit in the idea of subscribing to a service, receiving the service for that fee and not be expected to pay any more. There is also merit in paying a one time fee for a game like in the example of Guild wars. There is no merit in the "free to play" model because at its core it intends to be deceitful. Any model that requires financial top-ops just to progress within the content is no different that online poker or other gambling. Further, any model that makes a total required financial contribution unclear is a scam. Of couse I come from a mmo era of simpler times when there werent even %10 of you playing these games and we paid or $10 for a UO account. F2P exists for the same reason dollar rama stores and cheap boxed generic jello exist......because people buy into it. I don't mean to personally offend anyone but the F2p model is clearly to the advantage of any publisher rather than the gamer and therefore does nothing constructive to a already crap-ridden and innovatively impotent creative environment.
I come from the time of muds and legends of kesmai and meridian 59. I don't see a problem with free to play, of course, most of the games are utter trash... so I pay nothing ever. The same can be said of monthly sub mmos and box mmos. Shrug.
It always sucks when you got a loser on your hands.
Micro transactions / item shops, what you refer to as f2p, were invented by an American company before the first subscription MMO was even conceived, let alone released.
Americans set this business model on the world, now its coming back to bite you in the arse.
F2P games are the back-street of mmo-gaming, where shady guys whisper to you: “Hey you, come in. Here’s everything for free.”
Mmos in general have many elements that make the addict the player to the game, some of that are intended by the developers, some just related to the genre.
P2P game companies want you to stay subscribed to the game as long as possible. So they try to lengthen the time to archive goals in the game unnecessary, most the time. One could say that that is an issue, but its quite trivial compared what F2P games do.
Because F2P games (at least bulk of them) try to exploit the gamer as much as possible once they have him. So never get to dedicated to a F2P game. You will need much self-contol no buy all that shiny stuff at exorbitant prices. But if you don’t, you will regret it as well, because you won’t get far without the item-store.
One thing I see with suspicion is, that mmorpg.com is supporting F2P gaming that much. Well I guess its because there is much money in F2P gaming, because with that type of games one can make money with less afford than with P2P games; so even a quite mediocre game can easily be a financial success, at the expense of the players of cause.
One strange fact is that many gamers like to make a F2P game out of their P2P game to some extent by giving their money to gold sellers. But that’s a different story.
To just check out and being non competitive a f2p is surely great and you can waste some time with it ..but in order to be competitive ..and make it your home , your no 1 , the game you wanna reach the top and even higher ..f2p is a very expensive way to do so . There may be some with non ridiculous prices but there are too many who just rip off ppls ..i read an article with somone spending 330000 Dollars for a Space station ? or what about 700Dollars for a enhancment stone . If you take such pricing as an example ... you know f2p is not something you wanna deal with at all. Unless your just looking to waste some time and your able to go away once it gets a serious money drain ...forgett about this modell. Surely you can say thoose who are dumb enough may pay ..but if you wanna reach the top in such a game you gotta pay ..and for me at least thats not something im searching in a game .. chances bought by rl cash ..no thanks . To me f2p is a way to steal money from players that dont see danger behind them. You know thoose Mmorpg are like drugs ..and fp2 stores are your drug dealer ..at least i know my drug does cost always the same on a p2p.
You know that only a SMALL percentage of players use the item shop, right? So the "danger" you talked about only apply to a small minority anyway.
For the rest of us, F2P is a great way to let us sample games.
I have been dealing with F2P games for a while now. It has been great so far. *Free* is always the right price. When i cannot progress unless i have to pay .. I switch games. There are enough games out there to do that.
F2P games are the back-street of mmo-gaming, where shady guys whisper to you: “Hey you, come in. Here’s everything for free.”
Mmos in general have many elements that make the addict the player to the game, some of that are intended by the developers, some just related to the genre.
P2P game companies want you to stay subscribed to the game as long as possible. So they try to lengthen the time to archive goals in the game unnecessary, most the time. One could say that that is an issue, but its quite trivial compared what F2P games do.
Because F2P games (at least bulk of them) try to exploit the gamer as much as possible once they have him. So never get to dedicated to a F2P game. You will need much self-contol no buy all that shiny stuff at exorbitant prices. But if you don’t, you will regret it as well, because you won’t get far without the item-store.
One thing I see with suspicion is, that mmorpg.com is supporting F2P gaming that much. Well I guess its because there is much money in F2P gaming, because with that type of games one can make money with less afford than with P2P games; so even a quite mediocre game can easily be a financial success, at the expense of the players of cause.
One strange fact is that many gamers like to make a F2P game out of their P2P game to some extent by giving their money to gold sellers. But that’s a different story.
and I agree %100 with everything you say. I'm glad at least a few people see the stark difference between an up front and honest flat pay system and a questionable, let me get out my calculator - so what you're saying is ----- ? - model.
I know the trend is towards the f2p model and thats why most of the idustry is dead to me.
I will put it this way.I think pay to play games are duping players.How much do you spend on f2p game if you don't like it?Think about the first your two months of playing a new mmo which one is really doing robbing. I spent 59.99 plus 2 months of 14.99 to figure out that War was not for me. I spent 59.99 to access beta to figure out that Mortal was not for me I spent 49.99 plus 1 month of 14.99 to figure out that Darkfall was not for me I spent 59.99 plus 3 months of 14.99 to figure out that Aion was for me Guess how much money i spend to figure out if i didn't like RoM,AllodsPerfect World and Altantica that right zero dollars.When are talking about robbing players pay to play are right up there.This is what most people don't like to here but if you spent money in cash shop a.You like the game enough to put money in it b.You have good idea of what you are putting your money in As for what camp i am in the B2P camp.Which is better than F2P payment plans and not as demanding as pay to play plan.B2P can have cash shops but they get most their money from the box price and expansion,so their focus is not on put item shops that people have to buy because that is only way they will get money,they can actually just put in small fluff items that don't have effect on game.
Get into some free trials and respectully reiterate your strawman agrument.
To just check out and being non competitive a f2p is surely great and you can waste some time with it ..but in order to be competitive ..and make it your home , your no 1 , the game you wanna reach the top and even higher ..f2p is a very expensive way to do so . There may be some with non ridiculous prices but there are too many who just rip off ppls ..i read an article with somone spending 330000 Dollars for a Space station ? or what about 700Dollars for a enhancment stone . If you take such pricing as an example ... you know f2p is not something you wanna deal with at all. Unless your just looking to waste some time and your able to go away once it gets a serious money drain ...forgett about this modell. Surely you can say thoose who are dumb enough may pay ..but if you wanna reach the top in such a game you gotta pay ..and for me at least thats not something im searching in a game .. chances bought by rl cash ..no thanks . To me f2p is a way to steal money from players that dont see danger behind them. You know thoose Mmorpg are like drugs ..and fp2 stores are your drug dealer ..at least i know my drug does cost always the same on a p2p.
F2p targets a specific personality type the same way online poker and other gambling sites do. They are targeting the ocd crowd out there. Sure the vast majority of players play these games and dont become affected but these arent the ones paying the bills.
If you don't have this "I have to be king of the mountain" or this "I have to beat everyone to max level" mentality free to play is just that free to play. I play several free to play games and I have fun with all of them. But I don't measure my worth with the leetness of my online characters so I have no need to buy anything I don't really want. For example I will be purchasing some DDO content but the other games I doubt I will pay for anything they offer.
I respect this point of view. People with self control can freely choose the games they play. It does not however, change the people selling the games.
You find a free to play game that you're allowed to link on mmorpg forums that is not made inside of flash player in 1987 that has no hidden or obscure revenue model and I will eat my sock./
F2P games are the back-street of mmo-gaming, where shady guys whisper to you: “Hey you, come in. Here’s everything for free.”
The OP is just a bitter person because the market is NOT going the way he likes it.
And those "shady guys" would be right. Free-riding on suckers who use the item shop is a great way to have fun.
What is it called when you try to change the topic by making assertions, whether substantiated or not, about the op?
I got the best mmo ever right now. No lfg, no one is much of a tool, they listen to me, I can control how I make purchases - its called Dragon Age Origins and I like grouping with those npcs %100 way more than %30 of you could imagine.
I will put it this way.I think pay to play games are duping players.How much do you spend on f2p game if you don't like it?Think about the first your two months of playing a new mmo which one is really doing robbing. I spent 59.99 plus 2 months of 14.99 to figure out that War was not for me. I spent 59.99 to access beta to figure out that Mortal was not for me I spent 49.99 plus 1 month of 14.99 to figure out that Darkfall was not for me I spent 59.99 plus 3 months of 14.99 to figure out that Aion was for me Guess how much money i spend to figure out if i didn't like RoM,AllodsPerfect World and Altantica that right zero dollars.When are talking about robbing players pay to play are right up there.This is what most people don't like to here but if you spent money in cash shop a.You like the game enough to put money in it b.You have good idea of what you are putting your money in As for what camp i am in the B2P camp.Which is better than F2P payment plans and not as demanding as pay to play plan.B2P can have cash shops but they get most their money from the box price and expansion,so their focus is not on put item shops that people have to buy because that is only way they will get money,they can actually just put in small fluff items that don't have effect on game.
Get into some free trials and respectully reiterate your strawman agrument.
He is not pulling a strawman, you are.
Not every mmorpg offers a free trial, especially at launch. A free trial only offers a few days of gameplay while you can play a game as long as you want in a free to play game.
Your point about item shop games being a scam is ridiculous.
When you play an item mall game, you know exactly what you're getting when you buy something in the shop. This is not the case with subscribtion mmorpgs, you buy the game and you hope it will be a good game.
I think F2p is a big scam and you've been duped if you pay........
More than 15 dollars a month.
fixed your title and post.
“It's unwise to pay too much, but it's worse to pay too little. When you pay too much, you lose a little money - that's all. When you pay too little, you sometimes lose everything, because the thing you bought was incapable of doing the thing it was bought to do. The common law of business balance prohibits paying a little and getting a lot - it can't be done. If you deal with the lowest bidder, it is well to add something for the risk you run, and if you do that you will have enough to pay for something better.”
A big differance is that you don't get F2P players who have played them for four years+ coming on here and telling us how wonderful they still are. It may suprise some people that it can take more than a few months to realise something is a scam, but of course until you start paying it is not a scam at all. Until that point you are one of the casual players who offer nothing to the community as you have no investment in the game and drift in and out of it. This is another reason I am so critical of the F2P model.
A big differance is that you don't get F2P players who have played them for four years+ coming on here and telling us how wonderful they still are. It may suprise some people that it can take more than a few months to realise something is a scam, but of course until you start paying it is not a scam at all. Until that point you are one of the casual players who offer nothing to the community as you have no investment in the game and drift in and out of it. This is another reason I am so critical of the F2P model.
How is paying for something of which you know exactly what you're getting a scam?
The problem Gameloading is that you do not know exactly what you are getting. Over the course of a year with a subscription game you know you are paying xx a month to play the game. But how do you keep tally of how much you have spent on a F2P game? Those potions and outfits you buy build up and you will lose track of how many you have bought. That is part of the design strategy of the F2P revenue model, they want you to lose track of how much you are spending. That way when you start really forking out the cash you are far less likely to realise the extent of the payments.
I have been dealing with F2P games for a while now. It has been great so far. *Free* is always the right price. When i cannot progress unless i have to pay .. I switch games. There are enough games out there to do that.
have fun. maybe after the 15th time you switch game, you'll realize that the crystal wall of progression (where the game kindly hints you that if you dont pay more than your mortgage you will never be reaching anywhere) is always there....see a pattern?
thats what F2P gamers do, hop from game to game to game to game, most of them dont even last weeks before giving up, and try 50 games a year without finding any decent.
I wouldnt start playing a low quality, pathetic, rushed, shoestring budget generic clone, only to be forced to give up on it after 2 months. 2 wasted months better spent is a good P2P where the game becomes MORE enjoyable as you level, instead of less...
People should start considering that when they play a F2P games, the cash shop has had A LOT more though and brainpower put than the game itself.
They are not tricking anyone and getting a game for free, they are being used and abused, they gave the developers and the high spenders their time, become gatherers, crafters, activate the economy, populate the world so it doesnt feel empty and cheapens the high spenders experience, become cannon fodder to party, and finally....become the high spenders's bitches when it comes to competing.
for free.
freeloaders are being punching bags and arent getting any reward from it, when they start seeing there's something fun ahead other than grinding massively for everything, or get half close to an enjoyable endgame, the game tells them "THIS IS NOT FOR YOU. PAY OR WE WILL FRUSTRATE YOU UNTIL YOU GTFO"
They are not tricking anyone and getting a game for free, they are being used and abused, they gave the developers and the high spenders their time, become gatherers, crafters, activate the economy, populate the world so it doesnt feel empty and cheapens the high spenders experience, become cannon fodder to party, and finally....become the high spenders's bitches when it comes to competing. freeloaders are being punching bags and arent getting any reward from it, when they start seeing there's something fun ahead other than grinding massively for everything, or get halfway to reach an enjoyable endgame, the game tells them "THIS IS NOT FOR YOU. PAY OR GTFO "
The funny thing is that you actually believe all this... "Nonpayers are there to make the game seem fuller for the actual payers", "freeloaders are punching bags". Am I really supposed to feel sorry for your plight? What a joke.
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The funny thing is that you actually believe all this... "Nonpayers are there to make the game seem fuller for the actual payers", "freeloaders are punching bags". Am I really supposed to feel sorry for your plight? What a joke.
newsflash: saying "no it isnt" without adding an argument or example of your own doesnt make you a great debater.
but let me guess, you'll come here and use DDO as example..I see, i see, reading the F2P kids in this board one would believe there is just one single F2P game out there, instead of hundreds...
The problem Gameloading is that you do not know exactly what you are getting. Over the course of a year with a subscription game you know you are paying xx a month to play the game. But how do you keep tally of how much you have spent on a F2P game? Those potions and outfits you buy build up and you will lose track of how many you have bought. That is part of the design strategy of the F2P revenue model, they want you to lose track of how much you are spending. That way when you start really forking out the cash you are far less likely to realise the extent of the payments.
So because some people can't keep track of their financial spending, that means its a scam? Do I really even need to explain just how ridiculous that argument is?
The funny thing is that you actually believe all this... "Nonpayers are there to make the game seem fuller for the actual payers", "freeloaders are punching bags". Am I really supposed to feel sorry for your plight? What a joke.
newsflash: saying "no it isnt" without adding an argument or example of your own doesnt make you a great debater.
but let me guess, you'll come here and use DDO as example..I see, i see, reading the F2P kids in this board one would believe there is just one single F2P game out there, instead of hundreds...
Not quite. What I'm *trying* to say is that you are most likely to call out the lady at the grocery store, who hands out free apple sausage, on trying to scam you into buying it.
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I have been dealing with F2P games for a while now. It has been great so far. *Free* is always the right price. When i cannot progress unless i have to pay .. I switch games. There are enough games out there to do that.
have fun. maybe after the 15th time you switch game, you'll realize that the crystal wall of progression (where the game kindly hints you that if you dont pay more than your mortgage you will never be reaching anywhere) is always there....see a pattern?
thats what F2P gamers do, hop from game to game to game to game, most of them dont even last weeks before giving up, and try 50 games a year without finding any decent.
I wouldnt start playing a low quality, pathetic, rushed, shoestring budget generic clone, only to be forced to give up on it after 2 months. 2 wasted months better spent is a good P2P where the game becomes MORE enjoyable as you level, instead of less...
People should start considering that when they play a F2P games, the cash shop has had A LOT more though and brainpower put than the game itself.
They are not tricking anyone and getting a game for free, they are being used and abused, they gave the developers and the high spenders their time, become gatherers, crafters, activate the economy, populate the world so it doesnt feel empty and cheapens the high spenders experience, become cannon fodder to party, and finally....become the high spenders's bitches when it comes to competing.
for free.
freeloaders are being punching bags and arent getting any reward from it, when they start seeing there's something fun ahead other than grinding massively for everything, or get half close to an enjoyable endgame, the game tells them "THIS IS NOT FOR YOU. PAY OR WE WILL FRUSTRATE YOU UNTIL YOU GTFO"
Yeah I can't understand why anyone would want to pay more than $15 a month on their online game.
I read on the forum of on one of these free to play games (can't remember exactly which game) some guy had been drinking and in his intoxicated state logged on to the game and spent well over $200 on the cash shop.
And here he was on the forum desperately trying to get his money back but they just told him that it's not refundable.
All those memories will be lost in time, like tears in the rain.
F2P is a terrible model by which to offer a gaming service. There is a lot of merit in the idea of subscribing to a service, receiving the service for that fee and not be expected to pay any more. There is also merit in paying a one time fee for a game like in the example of Guild wars. There is no merit in the "free to play" model because at its core it intends to be deceitful. Any model that requires financial top-ops just to progress within the content is no different that online poker or other gambling. Further, any model that makes a total required financial contribution unclear is a scam. Of couse I come from a mmo era of simpler times when there werent even %10 of you playing these games and we paid or $10 for a UO account. F2P exists for the same reason dollar rama stores and cheap boxed generic jello exist......because people buy into it. I don't mean to personally offend anyone but the F2p model is clearly to the advantage of any publisher rather than the gamer and therefore does nothing constructive to a already crap-ridden and innovatively impotent creative environment.
Yeah I can't understand why anyone would want to pay more than $15 a month on their online game. I read on the forum of on one of these free to play games (can't remember exactly which game) some guy had been drinking and in his intoxicated state logged on to the game and spent well over $200 on the cash shop. And here he was on the forum desperately trying to get his money back but they just told him that it's not refundable.
I don't see why these kinds of people need defending, especially by people who swear they are unaffected by the lures of it. If that guy got drunk and spent 200$ on porn, without refund, we'd all be having a laugh at his expense - but since his money was taken by moneyhungery satan-worshippers at Aeria/Nexon, or some other firm trying to develop SkyNet and end us all, we need to get all uppity about it, right?
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I come from the time of muds and legends of kesmai and meridian 59. I don't see a problem with free to play, of course, most of the games are utter trash... so I pay nothing ever. The same can be said of monthly sub mmos and box mmos. Shrug.
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You know the best thing about this?
Micro transactions / item shops, what you refer to as f2p, were invented by an American company before the first subscription MMO was even conceived, let alone released.
Americans set this business model on the world, now its coming back to bite you in the arse.
I agree 100% with the OP.
F2P games are the back-street of mmo-gaming, where shady guys whisper to you: “Hey you, come in. Here’s everything for free.”
Mmos in general have many elements that make the addict the player to the game, some of that are intended by the developers, some just related to the genre.
P2P game companies want you to stay subscribed to the game as long as possible. So they try to lengthen the time to archive goals in the game unnecessary, most the time. One could say that that is an issue, but its quite trivial compared what F2P games do.
Because F2P games (at least bulk of them) try to exploit the gamer as much as possible once they have him. So never get to dedicated to a F2P game. You will need much self-contol no buy all that shiny stuff at exorbitant prices. But if you don’t, you will regret it as well, because you won’t get far without the item-store.
One thing I see with suspicion is, that mmorpg.com is supporting F2P gaming that much. Well I guess its because there is much money in F2P gaming, because with that type of games one can make money with less afford than with P2P games; so even a quite mediocre game can easily be a financial success, at the expense of the players of cause.
One strange fact is that many gamers like to make a F2P game out of their P2P game to some extent by giving their money to gold sellers. But that’s a different story.
You know that only a SMALL percentage of players use the item shop, right? So the "danger" you talked about only apply to a small minority anyway.
For the rest of us, F2P is a great way to let us sample games.
I have been dealing with F2P games for a while now. It has been great so far. *Free* is always the right price. When i cannot progress unless i have to pay .. I switch games. There are enough games out there to do that.
The OP is just a bitter person because the market is NOT going the way he likes it.
And those "shady guys" would be right. Free-riding on suckers who use the item shop is a great way to have fun.
and I agree %100 with everything you say. I'm glad at least a few people see the stark difference between an up front and honest flat pay system and a questionable, let me get out my calculator - so what you're saying is ----- ? - model.
I know the trend is towards the f2p model and thats why most of the idustry is dead to me.
Get into some free trials and respectully reiterate your strawman agrument.
F2p targets a specific personality type the same way online poker and other gambling sites do. They are targeting the ocd crowd out there. Sure the vast majority of players play these games and dont become affected but these arent the ones paying the bills.
I respect this point of view. People with self control can freely choose the games they play. It does not however, change the people selling the games.
You find a free to play game that you're allowed to link on mmorpg forums that is not made inside of flash player in 1987 that has no hidden or obscure revenue model and I will eat my sock./
The OP is just a bitter person because the market is NOT going the way he likes it.
And those "shady guys" would be right. Free-riding on suckers who use the item shop is a great way to have fun.
What is it called when you try to change the topic by making assertions, whether substantiated or not, about the op?
I got the best mmo ever right now. No lfg, no one is much of a tool, they listen to me, I can control how I make purchases - its called Dragon Age Origins and I like grouping with those npcs %100 way more than %30 of you could imagine.
Get into some free trials and respectully reiterate your strawman agrument.
He is not pulling a strawman, you are.
Not every mmorpg offers a free trial, especially at launch. A free trial only offers a few days of gameplay while you can play a game as long as you want in a free to play game.
Your point about item shop games being a scam is ridiculous.
When you play an item mall game, you know exactly what you're getting when you buy something in the shop. This is not the case with subscribtion mmorpgs, you buy the game and you hope it will be a good game.
I think F2p is a big scam and you've been duped if you pay........
More than 15 dollars a month.
fixed your title and post.
--John Ruskin
A big differance is that you don't get F2P players who have played them for four years+ coming on here and telling us how wonderful they still are. It may suprise some people that it can take more than a few months to realise something is a scam, but of course until you start paying it is not a scam at all. Until that point you are one of the casual players who offer nothing to the community as you have no investment in the game and drift in and out of it. This is another reason I am so critical of the F2P model.
How is paying for something of which you know exactly what you're getting a scam?
I totally agree to F2P being absolute robbery.
PRO:
+ Itemshops give fast progress
+ the game is "free"
CON:
- itemshops are VERY expensive, cosidering you buy virtual items (check playasda, where you pay 25€ for a 30 day mount)
- you are stuck as a no-good beginner, when you decide to play the game for "free".
- brick-wall effect, after they lured you into the game, you run into a (XP) wall and the only way around is through the itemshop
- bad / average quality games
- no updates
Playasda.com (25€ for a 30day mount)
Battlefieldheroes.com (used to be free, now it are overpriced guns, 10€ a pop)
Freerealms.com (free untill lvl 4)
check those itemshop prices and laugh...
The problem Gameloading is that you do not know exactly what you are getting. Over the course of a year with a subscription game you know you are paying xx a month to play the game. But how do you keep tally of how much you have spent on a F2P game? Those potions and outfits you buy build up and you will lose track of how many you have bought. That is part of the design strategy of the F2P revenue model, they want you to lose track of how much you are spending. That way when you start really forking out the cash you are far less likely to realise the extent of the payments.
have fun. maybe after the 15th time you switch game, you'll realize that the crystal wall of progression (where the game kindly hints you that if you dont pay more than your mortgage you will never be reaching anywhere) is always there....see a pattern?
thats what F2P gamers do, hop from game to game to game to game, most of them dont even last weeks before giving up, and try 50 games a year without finding any decent.
I wouldnt start playing a low quality, pathetic, rushed, shoestring budget generic clone, only to be forced to give up on it after 2 months. 2 wasted months better spent is a good P2P where the game becomes MORE enjoyable as you level, instead of less...
People should start considering that when they play a F2P games, the cash shop has had A LOT more though and brainpower put than the game itself.
They are not tricking anyone and getting a game for free, they are being used and abused, they gave the developers and the high spenders their time, become gatherers, crafters, activate the economy, populate the world so it doesnt feel empty and cheapens the high spenders experience, become cannon fodder to party, and finally....become the high spenders's bitches when it comes to competing.
for free.
freeloaders are being punching bags and arent getting any reward from it, when they start seeing there's something fun ahead other than grinding massively for everything, or get half close to an enjoyable endgame, the game tells them "THIS IS NOT FOR YOU. PAY OR WE WILL FRUSTRATE YOU UNTIL YOU GTFO"
The funny thing is that you actually believe all this... "Nonpayers are there to make the game seem fuller for the actual payers", "freeloaders are punching bags". Am I really supposed to feel sorry for your plight? What a joke.
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newsflash: saying "no it isnt" without adding an argument or example of your own doesnt make you a great debater.
but let me guess, you'll come here and use DDO as example..I see, i see, reading the F2P kids in this board one would believe there is just one single F2P game out there, instead of hundreds...
So because some people can't keep track of their financial spending, that means its a scam? Do I really even need to explain just how ridiculous that argument is?
newsflash: saying "no it isnt" without adding an argument or example of your own doesnt make you a great debater.
but let me guess, you'll come here and use DDO as example..I see, i see, reading the F2P kids in this board one would believe there is just one single F2P game out there, instead of hundreds...
Not quite. What I'm *trying* to say is that you are most likely to call out the lady at the grocery store, who hands out free apple sausage, on trying to scam you into buying it.
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have fun. maybe after the 15th time you switch game, you'll realize that the crystal wall of progression (where the game kindly hints you that if you dont pay more than your mortgage you will never be reaching anywhere) is always there....see a pattern?
thats what F2P gamers do, hop from game to game to game to game, most of them dont even last weeks before giving up, and try 50 games a year without finding any decent.
I wouldnt start playing a low quality, pathetic, rushed, shoestring budget generic clone, only to be forced to give up on it after 2 months. 2 wasted months better spent is a good P2P where the game becomes MORE enjoyable as you level, instead of less...
People should start considering that when they play a F2P games, the cash shop has had A LOT more though and brainpower put than the game itself.
They are not tricking anyone and getting a game for free, they are being used and abused, they gave the developers and the high spenders their time, become gatherers, crafters, activate the economy, populate the world so it doesnt feel empty and cheapens the high spenders experience, become cannon fodder to party, and finally....become the high spenders's bitches when it comes to competing.
for free.
freeloaders are being punching bags and arent getting any reward from it, when they start seeing there's something fun ahead other than grinding massively for everything, or get half close to an enjoyable endgame, the game tells them "THIS IS NOT FOR YOU. PAY OR WE WILL FRUSTRATE YOU UNTIL YOU GTFO"
Yeah I can't understand why anyone would want to pay more than $15 a month on their online game.
I read on the forum of on one of these free to play games (can't remember exactly which game) some guy had been drinking and in his intoxicated state logged on to the game and spent well over $200 on the cash shop.
And here he was on the forum desperately trying to get his money back but they just told him that it's not refundable.
All those memories will be lost in time, like tears in the rain.
I have to agree with all of your points.
I don't see why these kinds of people need defending, especially by people who swear they are unaffected by the lures of it. If that guy got drunk and spent 200$ on porn, without refund, we'd all be having a laugh at his expense - but since his money was taken by moneyhungery satan-worshippers at Aeria/Nexon, or some other firm trying to develop SkyNet and end us all, we need to get all uppity about it, right?
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