What i get from pictures is a GM made a mistake and tried afterwards to solve it by all possible means he had access too. Does it suck to loose loot to this, yes it sucks ..but also it could have happen that someone else could have just go there and kill him and part the loot from him. I have extremely well experiences with Darkfall 's GM's so far, they quick and they solved any prob i had so far.
The question I have though is do you presume to say that what the player said simply can't be true because you have never had a bad experience with DF? If so then I reiterate you're wrong because collusion between GM's and players have definitely happened in games before so let's give the player the same benefit of the doubt (unless you can say that you have had interactions with that particular GM and know him to be trustworthy).
How would this mistake be made, how would one randomly teleport someone and why has it not happened before now? I do think the gm and AV deserve a chance to prove this is not what happened but make no mistake they need to prove that first.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
What i get from pictures is a GM made a mistake and tried afterwards to solve it by all possible means he had access too. Does it suck to loose loot to this, yes it sucks ..but also it could have happen that someone else could have just go there and kill him and part the loot from him. I have extremely well experiences with Darkfall 's GM's so far, they quick and they solved any prob i had so far.
The question I have though is do you presume to say that what the player said simply can't be true because you have never had a bad experience with DF? If so then I reiterate you're wrong because collusion between GM's and players have definitely happened in games before so let's give the player the same benefit of the doubt (unless you can say that you have had interactions with that particular GM and know him to be trustworthy).
How would this mistake be made, how would one randomly teleport someone and why has it not happened before now? I do think the gm and AV deserve a chance to prove this is not what happened but make no mistake they need to prove that first.
This, i think everyone in the community is willing to give both sides the benefit of the doubt.. but there have been rampant rumors lately within the community of GM abuse.. and then this happens and not even a peep from anyone on the aventurine side other then "contact support" which is just gonna tell him the same thing.. Sorry for your loss. Aventurine has made it clear they won't refund items.. so if thats the case all a GM has to do is abuse his power and then go Oops sorry having a bad day deal with it.. and its all good? I don't think so.
Even when you lose items due to crashes they won't replace them.. and this happens quite frequently..
Looks like an idiot accident to me. Fire-able offense? No, but I can sure see how that kind of dumb mistake with no way of reimbursement would piss someone off royally. There should be some form of reimbursement I think.
All of you who "hope this GM gets fired" If you fuck up once at work, should you be fired? It's a game fella's a game. A GM is human. The GM made a mistake, the player refused to contact support right away like he should have, and instead behaved childishly and ran to the forums. This is being blown way out of proportion.
As I stated in my earlier post on the one hand you are right this is being blown out of proportion (at this point) but you are equally wrong as your posts have pointed out with the multitude of excuses you've handed them nor we should be just acting like this didn't happen or atleast we certainly should know exactly what we are seeing before making a decision so again while you are right and we shouldn't be throwing AV under a bus yet you are equally wrong and we shouldn't just be assuming this was a mistake and that whatever happens from it is ok.....
No one said to act "as if it didn't happen". But the fact that some "players" are overexagerating the matter is stupid.
Hell, even the GM said to Bill Brasky to contact Support. Why didn't he do it? Also, I'm pretty sure the story doesn't says all. Why did this GM need to interact with Bill Brasky? If the GM used Teleport by mistake, it certainly means that the GM wanted to use a different command or made a mistake with the location when teleporting him. So there's a part of this issue that has not been mentionned by Bill Brasky.
But regardless, the GM made a mistake, Bill should've contacted the Support to get the issue solved ASAP, he didn't. He prefer to QQ on the forum, the threads gets locked (obviously) and he proceeds to vent even further. Seriously.....some people just need to grow up instead of crying in forums.
Awesome post read back some of my posts and you'll see I also stated all of these points myself but let's be realistic here the fact remains that this happened to a player and lingered long enough for this to happen, as there is nothing else about Df killing them in pr what is taking this issue so long to get resolved?
I can't be clear enough in saying I'm not taking a side yet, it's actually what I'm advocating everyone to do stop taking either AV's side or the players (especially since so many ulterior motives exist) but it's hard to get around such a unique situation not yet being resolved by the company.
I too have noticed most people on the side of the player have had bad things to say about AV other than this issue but likewise those taking AV's side have had nothing but good things to say about them too, but as I keep saying GM's have colluded with in game factions to the detriment of other paying players before so let's not act like it is impossible. So far out of those who seem to defend the GM and the company you are the first I've noticed who pointed out the good reasons to reserve judgement like the lack of a complete log or the general attitude of the player in not following the proper channels but those are not good enough reasons for us to assume that we couldn't one day be in that players shoes especially if gm's get the sense they can get away with it.
My assessment of the situation is as follows, the gm is not the brightest nor the most sensitive (today is my bad day?) the player did his cause no justice by immediately moving to anger and as I see it giving AV no immediate chance to find a solution, and AV is playing themselves by not delving into and quashing this situation sooner. Tomorrow we can all learn that the player was totally wrong if for no other reason than his impatience and can get all his items back by the morning or we could learn the gm has an alt toon in the same guild as the looter at that time I'll say what I think of everyone but for now I can only say what I have said it's an unfortunate situation that we as a community need to look at with an open mind from both ends especially if we want to protect the integrity of mmo's.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
There have been rampant rumors of GM's in alliances/clans abusing powers in game.. Today a thread surfaced about a player who was teleported by a GM where an enemy player was waiting for him to kill and gank. Afterwards the GM refused to refund the players items.. Allowed the enemy players to loot his body and basically told him to "contact support" and stuff it.. The player obviously went straight to the forums to get some closure and since every thread about the subject has been sensored and locked and or deleted. Another case of a corrupt company running a corrupt game that doesn't even work.. I've canceled my subs after this, I hope everyone follows.
While the players anger is understandable, I don't see how this looks like "corruption".
The GM obviously screwed up. But as others have said, GM's don't have the rights to restore items to a character or provide any benefit that would be tempting to abuse. There are also technical reasons... imagine how long it would take to sift through the database of all ingame items, then take the players word that they had those items...
All that said, something should have been done to right this. There should be a protocol to follow in the event that a GM action brings harsh negative consequences to the player. In this case, Adventurine fails exceedingly.
I don't see corruption, but I certainly see incompetence, not just in the GM(who as others have said could very well be a 1st day volunteer), Adventurine should have a system in place to handle these sorts of events.
This, i think everyone in the community is willing to give both sides the benefit of the doubt.. but there have been rampant rumors lately within the community of GM abuse.. and then this happens and not even a peep from anyone on the aventurine side other then "contact support" which is just gonna tell him the same thing.. Sorry for your loss. Aventurine has made it clear they won't refund items.. so if thats the case all a GM has to do is abuse his power and then go Oops sorry having a bad day deal with it.. and its all good? I don't think so.
Even when you lose items due to crashes they won't replace them.. and this happens quite frequently..
OMG I lost my MANOWAR BECUZ OF CRASH!!11!! AV GIVE IT BACK!
This is just an exemple. If AV were to refund items to players whenever an issue happens, it would take quite a while to fix as many players would claim to have lost something. Having employees looking over every claims is the worse idea possible which is why the "No Refund" policy is here. As for crashes, usually whenever that happens there's a 45 minutes rollback from what I recall (There was one just yesterday I believe).
And B1ght, you are blowing this out of proportion. The GM made a mistake and teleported the player. But why did the GM have to interact with the player in the first place is what we have not been told. Mistakes happens and this mistake by the GM was far from gamebreaking. It's unfortunate and Bill did not contact the Support (which may have fixed the issue). I'd be more likely to blame AV if the player had contact support, but it's not the case, he chose to QQ on the forum.
What i get from pictures is a GM made a mistake and tried afterwards to solve it by all possible means he had access too. Does it suck to loose loot to this, yes it sucks ..but also it could have happen that someone else could have just go there and kill him and part the loot from him. I have extremely well experiences with Darkfall 's GM's so far, they quick and they solved any prob i had so far.
The question I have though is do you presume to say that what the player said simply can't be true because you have never had a bad experience with DF? If so then I reiterate you're wrong because collusion between GM's and players have definitely happened in games before so let's give the player the same benefit of the doubt (unless you can say that you have had interactions with that particular GM and know him to be trustworthy).
How would this mistake be made, how would one randomly teleport someone and why has it not happened before now? I do think the gm and AV deserve a chance to prove this is not what happened but make no mistake they need to prove that first.
No i didn't said that, i said :
"a GM made a mistake"
Also i had access to screenshots in which specific GM was telling a player (the player in the capital trying to loot the corpse) to NOT loot the corpse because "he made a mistake" and that fits exactly with the statement in these presented screenshot where the GM's tells something like "i try to convince other players not to loot your corpse", the GM wouldn't admit to have made mistake to a dozens players if he what whatever reason wanted to kill these poor player.
dunno why that happened but accidents happens, from my expertience with GM's - thats why i mentioned it - they must be rare.
Also on the screenshot the player ask GM "how to get you fired" ..so the motivation of all these thread is clear imo, the player instead to be interested in his problem being solved want some type of "revenge" using forums and not the helpdesk.
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There have been rampant rumors of GM's in alliances/clans abusing powers in game.. Today a thread surfaced about a player who was teleported by a GM where an enemy player was waiting for him to kill and gank. Afterwards the GM refused to refund the players items.. Allowed the enemy players to loot his body and basically told him to "contact support" and stuff it.. The player obviously went straight to the forums to get some closure and since every thread about the subject has been sensored and locked and or deleted. Another case of a corrupt company running a corrupt game that doesn't even work.. I've canceled my subs after this, I hope everyone follows.
While the players anger is understandable, I don't see how this looks like "corruption".
The GM obviously screwed up. But as others have said, GM's don't have the rights to restore items to a character or provide any benefit that would be tempting to abuse. There are also technical reasons... imagine how long it would take to sift through the database of all ingame items, then take the players word that they had those items...
All that said, something should have been done to right this. There should be a protocol to follow in the event that a GM action brings harsh negative consequences to the player. In this case, Adventurine fails exceedingly.
I don't see corruption, but I certainly see incompetence, not just in the GM(who as others have said could very well be a 1st day volunteer), Adventurine should have a system in place to handle these sorts of events.
i agree. I'm not saying it is 100% corruption.. I brought it here because aventurine won't even let the community discuss the issue and they aren't saying shit about it.. I'm pretty fed up with their antics.. They lied to us when NA1 launched about who was getting the money when we had to rebuy accounts.. they said it was a "different company" yet when payments started coming through on our bills it was going directly to Aventurine. Really it is just a built up frustration from me with dealing with this company for over a year and time and time again being felt like I was taken advantage of or just straight up lied to.
This, i think everyone in the community is willing to give both sides the benefit of the doubt.. but there have been rampant rumors lately within the community of GM abuse.. and then this happens and not even a peep from anyone on the aventurine side other then "contact support" which is just gonna tell him the same thing.. Sorry for your loss. Aventurine has made it clear they won't refund items.. so if thats the case all a GM has to do is abuse his power and then go Oops sorry having a bad day deal with it.. and its all good? I don't think so.
Even when you lose items due to crashes they won't replace them.. and this happens quite frequently..
OMG I lost my MANOWAR BECUZ OF CRASH!!11!! AV GIVE IT BACK!
This is just an exemple. If AV were to refund items to players whenever an issue happens, it would take quite a while to fix as many players would claim to have lost something. Having employees looking over every claims is the worse idea possible which is why the "No Refund" policy is here. As for crashes, usually whenever that happens there's a 45 minutes rollback from what I recall (There was one just yesterday I believe).
Or it could give players the feeling that AV cares about them and is willing to fix problems that they may or may not intentionally/unintentionally caused
And B1ght, you are blowing this out of proportion. The GM made a mistake and teleported the player. But why did the GM have to interact with the player in the first place is what we have not been told. Mistakes happens and this mistake by the GM was far from gamebreaking. It's unfortunate and Bill did not contact the Support (which may have fixed the issue). I'd be more likely to blame AV if the player had contact support, but it's not the case, he chose to QQ on the forum.
I don't think this is being blown out of proportion. The GM did make a mistake, but he made no effort to rectify the situation in the proper way. He should have went to a supervisor and told them the problem, and then they could escalate the problem to the proper team. Instead, the GM told him to "Go away, and fix it yourself"
As for contacting support? Yes, he should have immediately done that instead of making a scene. By making a scene, he only made it worse. As I said earlier, if he would have just followed procedure; even just to humor them, maybe they would have given his stuff back.
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Don't take this occurence as normal in any shape or form. The GM's on the whole are professional, helpful and friendly. It saddens me to see this hate-thread posted for no other reason than to put AV in a negative light.
This is just one GM who made a mistake, (were all human aren't we?). It was just a collection of misfortunate events that led to somebody losing some items. (o noes)
If you read this post and are making a decision about playing Darkfall, than you wouldn't have made it out of the noob cities anyway.
Also, to your last post "Aventurine is clueless", the acts of a bad apple does not represent the whole company, get your shit rights.
I don't know where you're are from. But in the US, a lot of people have realized that one bad apple spoils the bunch? This is true in many applications. Take the military for example.
In BCT, if you act out, your entire platoon gets boned. Or the soldiers in Iraq, a few took pictures of prisoners with dog collars/leashes on and the actual prisoner was naked. Many other Iraqis felt 'America was bad' for allowing something, when a few bad soldiers used mediocre judgment.These are just two examples.
As for the OP, I wouldn't doubt that shit did happen. I saw some dopey GM kind of wandering around aimlessly in the Whiteclaw( I think that was the name) and he didn't say anything. He just looked really lost. But yeah, if it was true, that GM should be removed. If its fake, so be it. Nothing new about an angry player lashing out.
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According to this study the Bad Apple does affect the group.
Anyone who has ever done a group project in school knows how this works. Know one wants to get stuck with the bad student. It is the same situation in life.
Well, there seems to be a communication problem between player and GM.
The question in the end is simply: did the GM accidently made a mistake, or, as some people say, sacrificed one player to another. If it was just a mistake: well, happens, they are humans too. If the GM did it on purpose.... phew.... that would be really bad new.
There is a chance an AV ADMIN will refund his stuff the GM's aren't a direct part of the company, they are outsourced, but the ADMINs are the devs and they do refund people in these situations. I have seen ships returned to players when hackers steal them.
Don't take this occurence as normal in any shape or form. The GM's on the whole are professional, helpful and friendly. It saddens me to see this hate-thread posted for no other reason than to put AV in a negative light. This is just one GM who made a mistake, (were all human aren't we?). It was just a collection of misfortunate events that led to somebody losing some items. (o noes) If you read this post and are making a decision about playing Darkfall, than you wouldn't have made it out of the noob cities anyway. Good day.
If GM would just give him back his stuff ( Which he kinda owes him) Darkfall and Aventurine wouldnt be posted about and get really really bad publicity. And if they had trouble with subs before this imagine what its going to look like now, when the GMs make errors like this and dont correct them.
And also from the looks of the text it looks like the GM is parting with the guy that killed they guy that got ripped of. How can he teleport someone right to to another guy by mistake and after just say sorry about it? Because he is obviously lying and did it on purpose to help his friend. This will never be proven since people never admit when they done something wrong, because it would make Darkfall look even worse than it does now.
I for one will never play the game if this can happen.
I'll wager that either the player asked for a teleport, (due to being stuck, or some other reason) and the GM simply didn't make sure that the area he sent him to was clear, or...
He was trying to teleport TO the player, and screwed up.
Either way, GMs can't give players their stuff back. Only support can rectify this situation, and although the GM screwed up, there was NOTHING he could do except give the player the contact info for those who CAN help.
IMO, the whole thing's been blown out of proportion here, likely by someone who was just chomping at the bit for a chance to spread negativity about the game.
I HIGHLY doubt that the GM teleported a player somewhere to intentionally get ganked....for the simple reason that the incident was BOUND to get out, and he's probably going to lose his GM account. Why risk all this for one player's loot?? It simply doesn't make sense.
Yeah, it sucks....but people make mistakes...GMs are not infallible. Let support take care of the situation, get a couple chuckles off at the n00b GM's expense, and leave it at that.
All of you who "hope this GM gets fired" If you fuck up once at work, should you be fired? It's a game fella's a game. A GM is human. The GM made a mistake, the player refused to contact support right away like he should have, and instead behaved childishly and ran to the forums. This is being blown way out of proportion.
If I screwed something up and a client called me and I said sorry nothing I can do call someone else. Yeah I'd imagine I'd get fired. It's called professionalism. Even if he couldn't fix the problem he should of reassure the customer that he was working to resolve the problem.
what i would like to know is where he was teleported from and teleported to.
plus why he was teleported? was he stuck or was the gm meant to teleport someone else?
these couple of bits of info could make a difference on how serious the case is.
if he was already in alfar territory and got stuck put a request in and got ported a few hundred feet of which someone saw and pk'd him did the GM do such a bad thing or was it unlucky.
if he was in his own races territory and got ported to the other side of the map and wasn't stuck and never requested support then the GM is in the wrong.
problem is a lot of people are jumping at different accusations and we don't have much info
Posts could be getting deleted because there only showing half the story and are give a false impression and make the GM look bad. Also when you have a problem if you speak to companies about it calm and collectively they are more likely to help. the moment you start being destructive they will take a harder approach i.e delete posts/bans and so forth.
If you had an issue with a company and didn't follow the correct channels and just started protesting outside their front door they will get you removed and depending on the situation could hit you with slander.
I am not saying adventurine are in the right and that they are a good company but the customer hasn't followed the correct routes and has gone in a destructive manor and that could explain their reaction by deleting threads not that they are trying to cover up but because no company would allow any kind of bad mouthing on their doorstep.
Like someone said, there are bad apples everywhere. On a side note, I'd like the GM's side. Always two sides to a coin. I'm not casting judgement until I hear from both sides.
All of you who "hope this GM gets fired" If you fuck up once at work, should you be fired? It's a game fella's a game. A GM is human. The GM made a mistake, the player refused to contact support right away like he should have, and instead behaved childishly and ran to the forums. This is being blown way out of proportion.
Agreed lol People take video games way too seriously...
what i would like to know is where he was teleported from and teleported to. plus why he was teleported? was he stuck or was the gm meant to teleport someone else?
these couple of bits of info could make a difference on how serious the case is.
if he was already in alfar territory and got stuck put a request in and got ported a few hundred feet of which someone saw and pk'd him did the GM do such a bad thing or was it unlucky.
if he was in his own races territory and got ported to the other side of the map and wasn't stuck and never requested support then the GM is in the wrong.
problem is a lot of people are jumping at different accusations and we don't have much info
Posts could be getting deleted because there only showing half the story and are give a false impression and make the GM look bad. Also when you have a problem if you speak to companies about it calm and collectively they are more likely to help. the moment you start being destructive they will take a harder approach i.e delete posts/bans and so forth. If you had an issue with a company and didn't follow the correct channels and just started protesting outside their front door they will get you removed and depending on the situation could hit you with slander.
I am not saying adventurine are in the right and that they are a good company but the customer hasn't followed the correct routes and has gone in a destructive manor and that could explain their reaction by deleting threads not that they are trying to cover up but because no company would allow any kind of bad mouthing on their doorstep.
Here is the information I gathered.. Aventurine is on a hunt to ban all AFK Swimmers and people skilling up while AFK even if they are using things like AUto Run which are built right into the game.. to do this the GM is suppose to send a pop up asking if the player is at his PC with a Yes or No box(he was in his player built city)... instead of a popup he got instantly teleported to alfar lands(which he's not even alfar) and inside of gaurd tower range so even if the players wouldn't have looted his corpse he couldn't have gotten it back anyway.. Hence why the GM says, "Oops wrong button." Unfortunatley the player wasn't AFK.. the GM made a mistake then offered the player no reconcile.. if I would have made a mistake like this under my own company you can best damn bet I'd do everything to correct it(contact support for him, etc).. 1. to keep my job, and 2. to keep things from like whats going on right now in this thread from happening.
This is just another example of how poor Aventurine handles almost all situations. anything negative said about the game gets immediatley deleted, etc..
Why do people assume it was the GM doing it on purpose? Perhaps he is new and trying to learn the ropes as well and the player needed help with something. He made a costly mistake. Nowhere did it say that the GM intentionally teleported the player to where some dude was waiting for him. The game is full of people who will gank you if they happen to come across you and unfortunately when that guy teleported there happened to be a guy in the area. Ganking and looting are part of the system in-game. Player shouldn't have been carrying that much to begin with unless he was coming back from grinding.
I think it's funny when the GM (a human btw) makes a mistake and the haters just love to pounce on it. Yeah, crap happens and within the confines of the game...it sucks. GM's don't have much power in DF. But I doubt very seriously it was intentional.
"If at first you don't succeed, excessive force is probably the answer."
So how come the Gm didn't just teleport the killer instead of "trying" to convince them not to loot? Seems like he could have kept the corpse safe till the person who was killed was able to get to it and get their stuff? I've no idea how their commands work but I'm assuming he could have teleported that person after they respawned to their corpse so they could get their stuff.
I'm only guessing but I'm assuming if he had time to talk to the person about not looting he could have actually stopped them instead of only "trying."
*edit* just saw the tidbit about it being in guard tower range. So now I'm wondering if the GM can teleport corpses, or if the player could be teleported to corpse and loot before getting killed by the tower and teleported away again. Any of that would be far better than "my bad day."
It's about corporate accountability... the GM did admit to guilt, so why not fix his own mistake? It's understandable if it were the player's fault, but in this case, the GM admits to making the error (or so he claims and that could be an entirely different story in and of itself). My guess is Aventurine's policy will be to continously bury any new posts on the subject, ignore their mistake and obvious lack of protocols for such situations, and innocently whistle while hoping noboby notices... too funny :P
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The question I have though is do you presume to say that what the player said simply can't be true because you have never had a bad experience with DF? If so then I reiterate you're wrong because collusion between GM's and players have definitely happened in games before so let's give the player the same benefit of the doubt (unless you can say that you have had interactions with that particular GM and know him to be trustworthy).
How would this mistake be made, how would one randomly teleport someone and why has it not happened before now? I do think the gm and AV deserve a chance to prove this is not what happened but make no mistake they need to prove that first.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
The question I have though is do you presume to say that what the player said simply can't be true because you have never had a bad experience with DF? If so then I reiterate you're wrong because collusion between GM's and players have definitely happened in games before so let's give the player the same benefit of the doubt (unless you can say that you have had interactions with that particular GM and know him to be trustworthy).
How would this mistake be made, how would one randomly teleport someone and why has it not happened before now? I do think the gm and AV deserve a chance to prove this is not what happened but make no mistake they need to prove that first.
This, i think everyone in the community is willing to give both sides the benefit of the doubt.. but there have been rampant rumors lately within the community of GM abuse.. and then this happens and not even a peep from anyone on the aventurine side other then "contact support" which is just gonna tell him the same thing.. Sorry for your loss. Aventurine has made it clear they won't refund items.. so if thats the case all a GM has to do is abuse his power and then go Oops sorry having a bad day deal with it.. and its all good? I don't think so.
Even when you lose items due to crashes they won't replace them.. and this happens quite frequently..
Looks like an idiot accident to me. Fire-able offense? No, but I can sure see how that kind of dumb mistake with no way of reimbursement would piss someone off royally. There should be some form of reimbursement I think.
As I stated in my earlier post on the one hand you are right this is being blown out of proportion (at this point) but you are equally wrong as your posts have pointed out with the multitude of excuses you've handed them nor we should be just acting like this didn't happen or atleast we certainly should know exactly what we are seeing before making a decision so again while you are right and we shouldn't be throwing AV under a bus yet you are equally wrong and we shouldn't just be assuming this was a mistake and that whatever happens from it is ok.....
No one said to act "as if it didn't happen". But the fact that some "players" are overexagerating the matter is stupid.
Hell, even the GM said to Bill Brasky to contact Support. Why didn't he do it? Also, I'm pretty sure the story doesn't says all. Why did this GM need to interact with Bill Brasky? If the GM used Teleport by mistake, it certainly means that the GM wanted to use a different command or made a mistake with the location when teleporting him. So there's a part of this issue that has not been mentionned by Bill Brasky.
But regardless, the GM made a mistake, Bill should've contacted the Support to get the issue solved ASAP, he didn't. He prefer to QQ on the forum, the threads gets locked (obviously) and he proceeds to vent even further. Seriously.....some people just need to grow up instead of crying in forums.
Awesome post read back some of my posts and you'll see I also stated all of these points myself but let's be realistic here the fact remains that this happened to a player and lingered long enough for this to happen, as there is nothing else about Df killing them in pr what is taking this issue so long to get resolved?
I can't be clear enough in saying I'm not taking a side yet, it's actually what I'm advocating everyone to do stop taking either AV's side or the players (especially since so many ulterior motives exist) but it's hard to get around such a unique situation not yet being resolved by the company.
I too have noticed most people on the side of the player have had bad things to say about AV other than this issue but likewise those taking AV's side have had nothing but good things to say about them too, but as I keep saying GM's have colluded with in game factions to the detriment of other paying players before so let's not act like it is impossible. So far out of those who seem to defend the GM and the company you are the first I've noticed who pointed out the good reasons to reserve judgement like the lack of a complete log or the general attitude of the player in not following the proper channels but those are not good enough reasons for us to assume that we couldn't one day be in that players shoes especially if gm's get the sense they can get away with it.
My assessment of the situation is as follows, the gm is not the brightest nor the most sensitive (today is my bad day?) the player did his cause no justice by immediately moving to anger and as I see it giving AV no immediate chance to find a solution, and AV is playing themselves by not delving into and quashing this situation sooner. Tomorrow we can all learn that the player was totally wrong if for no other reason than his impatience and can get all his items back by the morning or we could learn the gm has an alt toon in the same guild as the looter at that time I'll say what I think of everyone but for now I can only say what I have said it's an unfortunate situation that we as a community need to look at with an open mind from both ends especially if we want to protect the integrity of mmo's.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
While the players anger is understandable, I don't see how this looks like "corruption".
The GM obviously screwed up. But as others have said, GM's don't have the rights to restore items to a character or provide any benefit that would be tempting to abuse. There are also technical reasons... imagine how long it would take to sift through the database of all ingame items, then take the players word that they had those items...
All that said, something should have been done to right this. There should be a protocol to follow in the event that a GM action brings harsh negative consequences to the player. In this case, Adventurine fails exceedingly.
I don't see corruption, but I certainly see incompetence, not just in the GM(who as others have said could very well be a 1st day volunteer), Adventurine should have a system in place to handle these sorts of events.
OMG I lost my MANOWAR BECUZ OF CRASH!!11!! AV GIVE IT BACK!
This is just an exemple. If AV were to refund items to players whenever an issue happens, it would take quite a while to fix as many players would claim to have lost something. Having employees looking over every claims is the worse idea possible which is why the "No Refund" policy is here. As for crashes, usually whenever that happens there's a 45 minutes rollback from what I recall (There was one just yesterday I believe).
And B1ght, you are blowing this out of proportion. The GM made a mistake and teleported the player. But why did the GM have to interact with the player in the first place is what we have not been told. Mistakes happens and this mistake by the GM was far from gamebreaking. It's unfortunate and Bill did not contact the Support (which may have fixed the issue). I'd be more likely to blame AV if the player had contact support, but it's not the case, he chose to QQ on the forum.
The question I have though is do you presume to say that what the player said simply can't be true because you have never had a bad experience with DF? If so then I reiterate you're wrong because collusion between GM's and players have definitely happened in games before so let's give the player the same benefit of the doubt (unless you can say that you have had interactions with that particular GM and know him to be trustworthy).
How would this mistake be made, how would one randomly teleport someone and why has it not happened before now? I do think the gm and AV deserve a chance to prove this is not what happened but make no mistake they need to prove that first.
No i didn't said that, i said :
"a GM made a mistake"
Also i had access to screenshots in which specific GM was telling a player (the player in the capital trying to loot the corpse) to NOT loot the corpse because "he made a mistake" and that fits exactly with the statement in these presented screenshot where the GM's tells something like "i try to convince other players not to loot your corpse", the GM wouldn't admit to have made mistake to a dozens players if he what whatever reason wanted to kill these poor player.
dunno why that happened but accidents happens, from my expertience with GM's - thats why i mentioned it - they must be rare.
Also on the screenshot the player ask GM "how to get you fired" ..so the motivation of all these thread is clear imo, the player instead to be interested in his problem being solved want some type of "revenge" using forums and not the helpdesk.
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While the players anger is understandable, I don't see how this looks like "corruption".
The GM obviously screwed up. But as others have said, GM's don't have the rights to restore items to a character or provide any benefit that would be tempting to abuse. There are also technical reasons... imagine how long it would take to sift through the database of all ingame items, then take the players word that they had those items...
All that said, something should have been done to right this. There should be a protocol to follow in the event that a GM action brings harsh negative consequences to the player. In this case, Adventurine fails exceedingly.
I don't see corruption, but I certainly see incompetence, not just in the GM(who as others have said could very well be a 1st day volunteer), Adventurine should have a system in place to handle these sorts of events.
i agree. I'm not saying it is 100% corruption.. I brought it here because aventurine won't even let the community discuss the issue and they aren't saying shit about it.. I'm pretty fed up with their antics.. They lied to us when NA1 launched about who was getting the money when we had to rebuy accounts.. they said it was a "different company" yet when payments started coming through on our bills it was going directly to Aventurine. Really it is just a built up frustration from me with dealing with this company for over a year and time and time again being felt like I was taken advantage of or just straight up lied to.
OMG I lost my MANOWAR BECUZ OF CRASH!!11!! AV GIVE IT BACK!
This is just an exemple. If AV were to refund items to players whenever an issue happens, it would take quite a while to fix as many players would claim to have lost something. Having employees looking over every claims is the worse idea possible which is why the "No Refund" policy is here. As for crashes, usually whenever that happens there's a 45 minutes rollback from what I recall (There was one just yesterday I believe).
Or it could give players the feeling that AV cares about them and is willing to fix problems that they may or may not intentionally/unintentionally caused
And B1ght, you are blowing this out of proportion. The GM made a mistake and teleported the player. But why did the GM have to interact with the player in the first place is what we have not been told. Mistakes happens and this mistake by the GM was far from gamebreaking. It's unfortunate and Bill did not contact the Support (which may have fixed the issue). I'd be more likely to blame AV if the player had contact support, but it's not the case, he chose to QQ on the forum.
I don't think this is being blown out of proportion. The GM did make a mistake, but he made no effort to rectify the situation in the proper way. He should have went to a supervisor and told them the problem, and then they could escalate the problem to the proper team. Instead, the GM told him to "Go away, and fix it yourself"
As for contacting support? Yes, he should have immediately done that instead of making a scene. By making a scene, he only made it worse. As I said earlier, if he would have just followed procedure; even just to humor them, maybe they would have given his stuff back.
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Don't take this occurence as normal in any shape or form. The GM's on the whole are professional, helpful and friendly. It saddens me to see this hate-thread posted for no other reason than to put AV in a negative light.
This is just one GM who made a mistake, (were all human aren't we?). It was just a collection of misfortunate events that led to somebody losing some items. (o noes)
If you read this post and are making a decision about playing Darkfall, than you wouldn't have made it out of the noob cities anyway.
Good day.
I don't know where you're are from. But in the US, a lot of people have realized that one bad apple spoils the bunch? This is true in many applications. Take the military for example.
In BCT, if you act out, your entire platoon gets boned. Or the soldiers in Iraq, a few took pictures of prisoners with dog collars/leashes on and the actual prisoner was naked. Many other Iraqis felt 'America was bad' for allowing something, when a few bad soldiers used mediocre judgment.These are just two examples.
As for the OP, I wouldn't doubt that shit did happen. I saw some dopey GM kind of wandering around aimlessly in the Whiteclaw( I think that was the name) and he didn't say anything. He just looked really lost. But yeah, if it was true, that GM should be removed. If its fake, so be it. Nothing new about an angry player lashing out.
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According to this study the Bad Apple does affect the group.
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Anyone who has ever done a group project in school knows how this works. Know one wants to get stuck with the bad student. It is the same situation in life.
Well, there seems to be a communication problem between player and GM.
The question in the end is simply: did the GM accidently made a mistake, or, as some people say, sacrificed one player to another. If it was just a mistake: well, happens, they are humans too. If the GM did it on purpose.... phew.... that would be really bad new.
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There is a chance an AV ADMIN will refund his stuff the GM's aren't a direct part of the company, they are outsourced, but the ADMINs are the devs and they do refund people in these situations. I have seen ships returned to players when hackers steal them.
If GM would just give him back his stuff ( Which he kinda owes him) Darkfall and Aventurine wouldnt be posted about and get really really bad publicity. And if they had trouble with subs before this imagine what its going to look like now, when the GMs make errors like this and dont correct them.
And also from the looks of the text it looks like the GM is parting with the guy that killed they guy that got ripped of. How can he teleport someone right to to another guy by mistake and after just say sorry about it? Because he is obviously lying and did it on purpose to help his friend. This will never be proven since people never admit when they done something wrong, because it would make Darkfall look even worse than it does now.
I for one will never play the game if this can happen.
umm......"oops"?
lol
I'll wager that either the player asked for a teleport, (due to being stuck, or some other reason) and the GM simply didn't make sure that the area he sent him to was clear, or...
He was trying to teleport TO the player, and screwed up.
Either way, GMs can't give players their stuff back. Only support can rectify this situation, and although the GM screwed up, there was NOTHING he could do except give the player the contact info for those who CAN help.
IMO, the whole thing's been blown out of proportion here, likely by someone who was just chomping at the bit for a chance to spread negativity about the game.
I HIGHLY doubt that the GM teleported a player somewhere to intentionally get ganked....for the simple reason that the incident was BOUND to get out, and he's probably going to lose his GM account. Why risk all this for one player's loot?? It simply doesn't make sense.
Yeah, it sucks....but people make mistakes...GMs are not infallible. Let support take care of the situation, get a couple chuckles off at the n00b GM's expense, and leave it at that.
I am so glad I no longer play the game...
this is insane, hahaha
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If I screwed something up and a client called me and I said sorry nothing I can do call someone else. Yeah I'd imagine I'd get fired. It's called professionalism. Even if he couldn't fix the problem he should of reassure the customer that he was working to resolve the problem.
AV is trying to put out a fire with gas.
what i would like to know is where he was teleported from and teleported to.
plus why he was teleported? was he stuck or was the gm meant to teleport someone else?
these couple of bits of info could make a difference on how serious the case is.
if he was already in alfar territory and got stuck put a request in and got ported a few hundred feet of which someone saw and pk'd him did the GM do such a bad thing or was it unlucky.
if he was in his own races territory and got ported to the other side of the map and wasn't stuck and never requested support then the GM is in the wrong.
problem is a lot of people are jumping at different accusations and we don't have much info
Posts could be getting deleted because there only showing half the story and are give a false impression and make the GM look bad. Also when you have a problem if you speak to companies about it calm and collectively they are more likely to help. the moment you start being destructive they will take a harder approach i.e delete posts/bans and so forth.
If you had an issue with a company and didn't follow the correct channels and just started protesting outside their front door they will get you removed and depending on the situation could hit you with slander.
I am not saying adventurine are in the right and that they are a good company but the customer hasn't followed the correct routes and has gone in a destructive manor and that could explain their reaction by deleting threads not that they are trying to cover up but because no company would allow any kind of bad mouthing on their doorstep.
Like someone said, there are bad apples everywhere. On a side note, I'd like the GM's side. Always two sides to a coin. I'm not casting judgement until I hear from both sides.
Agreed lol People take video games way too seriously...
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Here is the information I gathered.. Aventurine is on a hunt to ban all AFK Swimmers and people skilling up while AFK even if they are using things like AUto Run which are built right into the game.. to do this the GM is suppose to send a pop up asking if the player is at his PC with a Yes or No box(he was in his player built city)... instead of a popup he got instantly teleported to alfar lands(which he's not even alfar) and inside of gaurd tower range so even if the players wouldn't have looted his corpse he couldn't have gotten it back anyway.. Hence why the GM says, "Oops wrong button." Unfortunatley the player wasn't AFK.. the GM made a mistake then offered the player no reconcile.. if I would have made a mistake like this under my own company you can best damn bet I'd do everything to correct it(contact support for him, etc).. 1. to keep my job, and 2. to keep things from like whats going on right now in this thread from happening.
This is just another example of how poor Aventurine handles almost all situations. anything negative said about the game gets immediatley deleted, etc..
Why do people assume it was the GM doing it on purpose? Perhaps he is new and trying to learn the ropes as well and the player needed help with something. He made a costly mistake. Nowhere did it say that the GM intentionally teleported the player to where some dude was waiting for him. The game is full of people who will gank you if they happen to come across you and unfortunately when that guy teleported there happened to be a guy in the area. Ganking and looting are part of the system in-game. Player shouldn't have been carrying that much to begin with unless he was coming back from grinding.
I think it's funny when the GM (a human btw) makes a mistake and the haters just love to pounce on it. Yeah, crap happens and within the confines of the game...it sucks. GM's don't have much power in DF. But I doubt very seriously it was intentional.
So how come the Gm didn't just teleport the killer instead of "trying" to convince them not to loot? Seems like he could have kept the corpse safe till the person who was killed was able to get to it and get their stuff? I've no idea how their commands work but I'm assuming he could have teleported that person after they respawned to their corpse so they could get their stuff.
I'm only guessing but I'm assuming if he had time to talk to the person about not looting he could have actually stopped them instead of only "trying."
*edit* just saw the tidbit about it being in guard tower range. So now I'm wondering if the GM can teleport corpses, or if the player could be teleported to corpse and loot before getting killed by the tower and teleported away again. Any of that would be far better than "my bad day."
It's about corporate accountability... the GM did admit to guilt, so why not fix his own mistake? It's understandable if it were the player's fault, but in this case, the GM admits to making the error (or so he claims and that could be an entirely different story in and of itself). My guess is Aventurine's policy will be to continously bury any new posts on the subject, ignore their mistake and obvious lack of protocols for such situations, and innocently whistle while hoping noboby notices... too funny :P