Wow. There are a lot of overly sensetive pansies out there.
Seriously, pull up your panties, ladies and play. Or don't play and avoid having your fragile little feelings hurt by the harmless words of someone you never have and never will meet face to face.
Man, I miss lawn darts and merry go rounds on metal playgrounds, we used to actually have tools to weed out the weak and stupid among us. Now everything is made of friggin' Nerf...
Amazing there are so many people who find that type of boorish behavior not only acceptable, but who long for it. I must be missing something. You're saying you support people calling each other racial/gay slurs?
I really would have thought people here would be against that. Especially use older folks.
Parents who grew up before the internet don't CARE about internet gaming. As in they have no interest in playing it themselves. This results in kids having to find their way on the internet alone because their parents and grandparents are scared to death of this whole "cyberspace thing". Honestly, who honestly calls the internet "cyberspace" anymore? Only people born a long time ago or only sometimes when internet seems boring - but ALWAYS, ALWAYS the media will call it the "cyberspace" like a redneck from Texas would. Don't worry, I was born a redneck in Texas so I know what I'm talking about.
The lucky few kids who have parents interested in playing games or kids born in the 1980s (that's me) just now growing up who do care about them just simply teach themselves how to act mature on the internet because they are intelligent human beings. They aren't stupid.
There's this thing called argueing. People don't realize how much of a waste argueing is until they've been on the internet. On the internet you learn just how infinite arguements are.
So you have the internet with limited ways to restrict users from saying anything they want in the form of games like Battlefield: Bad Company 2 or chat programs like AIM and social networking system stuff like twitter and myspace etc, drawing whatever they want, uploading whatever they want, and playing however they want given certain rules.
It's like football, the football players will play however they can to win. You give football players helmets so they start using their head as weapons.
People just have to teach themselves to not talk to the idiots who want to argue. Don't feed the trolls, as is commonly said.
Nice post but I still think it is looking beyond what the entire topic is about hate speech, hate speech isn't arguing to me. I've had my fair share of arguments on the internet and my fare share of in game trash talk but never have those instances stood out like the times I've had my sensibilities assaulted by racism.
And that to me is why it rises to the level of a threat, I remember every single racist incident I've ever been faced with on the internet and not because I dwell on them everyday, I've been cursed out and cursed others out dozens of times and don't remember them but I certainly have never forgotten all the other stuff.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
The internet is not an appropriate place for children anymore. There is hardly anywhere you can go to avoid this kind of influence, and no matter what the laptop psychologists want to say about normal behavior in a competetive environment, the sort of foul disregard for the feelings of others isn't 'normal' it's abhorrent.
My friends and I may have called each other names at times, but it is different when you are with friends because they know you personally, and have a personal connection with you so they know you aren't being serious. But if your friend was gay, you wouldn't call him offensive gay terms because if you did he wouldn't be your friend. (Unless of course you were gay too, but that once again fits under knowing they aren't going to take offense.) Or if your friend was Jewish you wouldn't say that you were glad his parents were killed in the holocaust, would you? If you would, then you are a Sociopath and need medical care.
So if you wouldn't insult your friend in the worst possible manner, and everyone has an issue that you avoid talking about, why would you take the chance of doing that to a stranger?
Because no one can punish you for it. Because you don't know right from wrong without outside guidance in the form of negative reinforcement. You could be from 6 - 60 and from any race or religion, but you haven't matured enough that you can control your more animalistic impulses. Given the right situation you could be a murderer or a rapist, it's all just a matter of whether you are sure you could get away with it. Heck, you probably even steal from stores and tell yourself that it's O K, because these big companies aren't going to miss such a small amount, and they charge too much anyway so F them.
But you don't see the big picture. What if everyone did just what they felt like doing? Not what someone else told them was right or wrong, but what they decided for themselves was O K.
Anarchy. Death. Oblivion.
So stop being a douchebag or you'll f*ck up the planet!
Wow. There are a lot of overly sensetive pansies out there.
Seriously, pull up your panties, ladies and play. Or don't play and avoid having your fragile little feelings hurt by the harmless words of someone you never have and never will meet face to face.
Man, I miss lawn darts and merry go rounds on metal playgrounds, we used to actually have tools to weed out the weak and stupid among us. Now everything is made of friggin' Nerf...
I could care less, I'll just find someone else to game with. I mean really , who wanted to play with the kid that cries and calls people N's and F's all the time. The answer? not many people. So why would I want to pay to play with these fools? Everyone really should be held accountable to act like a normal human being regardless of whether it is a game. It is a community much like going out in public , and I'm pretty sure most places aren't going to let you act like that in public either.
Want to talk trash, fine go ahead. But to act like a total juvenile POS is really unnecessary and is generally only done for one purpose ... to get their jollies off on irritating other people.
Wow. There are a lot of overly sensetive pansies out there.
Seriously, pull up your panties, ladies and play. Or don't play and avoid having your fragile little feelings hurt by the harmless words of someone you never have and never will meet face to face.
Man, I miss lawn darts and merry go rounds on metal playgrounds, we used to actually have tools to weed out the weak and stupid among us. Now everything is made of friggin' Nerf...
Amazing there are so many people who find that type of boorish behavior not only acceptable, but who long for it. I must be missing something. You're saying you support people calling each other racial/gay slurs?
I really would have thought people here would be against that. Especially use older folks.
No, I support people growing a thicker skin and not being so whiny. Someone called you a name? Oh baww. A guy hit me with a car. The two don't equate, one is harmless the other is not.
"Words are neither good nor bad, they're just words. It's the racist asshole using them you have to worry about."-George Carlin
Wow. There are a lot of overly sensetive pansies out there.
Seriously, pull up your panties, ladies and play. Or don't play and avoid having your fragile little feelings hurt by the harmless words of someone you never have and never will meet face to face.
Man, I miss lawn darts and merry go rounds on metal playgrounds, we used to actually have tools to weed out the weak and stupid among us. Now everything is made of friggin' Nerf...
I could care less, I'll just find someone else to game with. I mean really , who wanted to play with the kid that cries and calls people N's and F's all the time. The answer? not many people. So why would I want to pay to play with these fools? Everyone really should be held accountable to act like a normal human being regardless of whether it is a game. It is a community much like going out in public , and I'm pretty sure most places aren't going to let you act like that in public either.
Want to talk trash, fine go ahead. But to act like a total juvenile POS is really unnecessary and is generally only done for one purpose ... to get their jollies off on irritating other people.
Parents who grew up before the internet don't CARE about internet gaming. As in they have no interest in playing it themselves. This results in kids having to find their way on the internet alone because their parents and grandparents are scared to death of this whole "cyberspace thing". Honestly, who honestly calls the internet "cyberspace" anymore? Only people born a long time ago or only sometimes when internet seems boring - but ALWAYS, ALWAYS the media will call it the "cyberspace" like a redneck from Texas would. Don't worry, I was born a redneck in Texas so I know what I'm talking about.
The lucky few kids who have parents interested in playing games or kids born in the 1980s (that's me) just now growing up who do care about them just simply teach themselves how to act mature on the internet because they are intelligent human beings. They aren't stupid.
There's this thing called argueing. People don't realize how much of a waste argueing is until they've been on the internet. On the internet you learn just how infinite arguements are.
So you have the internet with limited ways to restrict users from saying anything they want in the form of games like Battlefield: Bad Company 2 or chat programs like AIM and social networking system stuff like twitter and myspace etc, drawing whatever they want, uploading whatever they want, and playing however they want given certain rules.
It's like football, the football players will play however they can to win. You give football players helmets so they start using their head as weapons.
People just have to teach themselves to not talk to the idiots who want to argue. Don't feed the trolls, as is commonly said.
Nice post but I still think it is looking beyond what the entire topic is about hate speech, hate speech isn't arguing to me. I've had my fair share of arguments on the internet and my fare share of in game trash talk but never have those instances stood out like the times I've had my sensibilities assaulted by racism.
And that to me is why it rises to the level of a threat, I remember every single racist incident I've ever been faced with on the internet and not because I dwell on them everyday, I've been cursed out and cursed others out dozens of times and don't remember them but I certainly have never forgotten all the other stuff.
I don't own an Xbox 360 or a PS3 I only game on the PC.
I get what you mean but I think you miss the point because it doesn't matter what the other person on the other end is saying
i.e. "I'm gonna kill you." or "I hate you." or "You are a ____." and any other words (it can be hate speech or arguements or anything it doesn't matter)
You still always have the power to put down the headset, turn down the volume or turn off incoming microphone volume. You can always close the chat. Put them on ignore list. Don't look or read the chat is also entirely possible.
That's the difference between chat and voicechat. It's easy to ignore words on the screen but if you've got an entertainment system surround sound or even just headphones and some idiot is saying they own you over their mic then that game simply sucks if you can't turn it off. and all games that are awesome that I've ever played had this option.
Wow. There are a lot of overly sensetive pansies out there.
Seriously, pull up your panties, ladies and play. Or don't play and avoid having your fragile little feelings hurt by the harmless words of someone you never have and never will meet face to face.
Man, I miss lawn darts and merry go rounds on metal playgrounds, we used to actually have tools to weed out the weak and stupid among us. Now everything is made of friggin' Nerf...
I could care less, I'll just find someone else to game with. I mean really , who wanted to play with the kid that cries and calls people N's and F's all the time. The answer? not many people. So why would I want to pay to play with these fools? Everyone really should be held accountable to act like a normal human being regardless of whether it is a game. It is a community much like going out in public , and I'm pretty sure most places aren't going to let you act like that in public either.
Want to talk trash, fine go ahead. But to act like a total juvenile POS is really unnecessary and is generally only done for one purpose ... to get their jollies off on irritating other people.
exactly.
You didn't actually read what they said, or you didn't understand it, because it is completely opposed to what you said just a minute ago.
Wow. There are a lot of overly sensetive pansies out there.
Seriously, pull up your panties, ladies and play. Or don't play and avoid having your fragile little feelings hurt by the harmless words of someone you never have and never will meet face to face.
Man, I miss lawn darts and merry go rounds on metal playgrounds, we used to actually have tools to weed out the weak and stupid among us. Now everything is made of friggin' Nerf...
Amazing there are so many people who find that type of boorish behavior not only acceptable, but who long for it. I must be missing something. You're saying you support people calling each other racial/gay slurs?
I really would have thought people here would be against that. Especially use older folks.
No, I support people growing a thicker skin and not being so whiny. Someone called you a name? Oh baww. A guy hit me with a car. The two don't equate, one is harmless the other is not.
"Words are neither good nor bad, they're just words. It's the racist asshole using them you have to worry about."-George Carlin
But you know what George Carlin I assure you has a much more neutral tone than you do so please don't quote him, I doubt he would be advocating the use of hate speech freely against someone simply because you are mad at whatever it is that made you mad that day.
I've not walked a mile in your shoes so I certainly wouldn't presume to know what you have been through and I certainly ask that you try to do the same thing before you ever try to question my man hood with remarks like "seriously pull up your panties".
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
Wow. There are a lot of overly sensetive pansies out there.
Seriously, pull up your panties, ladies and play. Or don't play and avoid having your fragile little feelings hurt by the harmless words of someone you never have and never will meet face to face.
Man, I miss lawn darts and merry go rounds on metal playgrounds, we used to actually have tools to weed out the weak and stupid among us. Now everything is made of friggin' Nerf...
Amazing there are so many people who find that type of boorish behavior not only acceptable, but who long for it. I must be missing something. You're saying you support people calling each other racial/gay slurs?
I really would have thought people here would be against that. Especially use older folks.
No, I support people growing a thicker skin and not being so whiny. Someone called you a name? Oh baww. A guy hit me with a car. The two don't equate, one is harmless the other is not.
"Words are neither good nor bad, they're just words. It's the racist asshole using them you have to worry about."-George Carlin
Interesting you think using racial/gay slurs is somehow manly, but someone who doesn't resort to immature namecalling is whiney. I would actually say its the lesser discplined person who resorts to those tactics.
If you think someone is saying being ran over by a car is less traumatizing I think you need to reread the responses.
I agree with Carlin's quote. That doesn't mean I want my son to start using racial/gay slurs at school to prove his manliness.
Wow. There are a lot of overly sensetive pansies out there.
Seriously, pull up your panties, ladies and play. Or don't play and avoid having your fragile little feelings hurt by the harmless words of someone you never have and never will meet face to face.
Man, I miss lawn darts and merry go rounds on metal playgrounds, we used to actually have tools to weed out the weak and stupid among us. Now everything is made of friggin' Nerf...
Amazing there are so many people who find that type of boorish behavior not only acceptable, but who long for it. I must be missing something. You're saying you support people calling each other racial/gay slurs?
I really would have thought people here would be against that. Especially use older folks.
No, I support people growing a thicker skin and not being so whiny. Someone called you a name? Oh baww. A guy hit me with a car. The two don't equate, one is harmless the other is not.
"Words are neither good nor bad, they're just words. It's the racist asshole using them you have to worry about."-George Carlin
You just don't get it. Most people don't care about what other people call them. They just think it's pathetic behavior, want no part of it, and want the person participating removed from their community.
Parents who grew up before the internet don't CARE about internet gaming. As in they have no interest in playing it themselves. This results in kids having to find their way on the internet alone because their parents and grandparents are scared to death of this whole "cyberspace thing". Honestly, who honestly calls the internet "cyberspace" anymore? Only people born a long time ago or only sometimes when internet seems boring - but ALWAYS, ALWAYS the media will call it the "cyberspace" like a redneck from Texas would. Don't worry, I was born a redneck in Texas so I know what I'm talking about.
The lucky few kids who have parents interested in playing games or kids born in the 1980s (that's me) just now growing up who do care about them just simply teach themselves how to act mature on the internet because they are intelligent human beings. They aren't stupid.
There's this thing called argueing. People don't realize how much of a waste argueing is until they've been on the internet. On the internet you learn just how infinite arguements are.
So you have the internet with limited ways to restrict users from saying anything they want in the form of games like Battlefield: Bad Company 2 or chat programs like AIM and social networking system stuff like twitter and myspace etc, drawing whatever they want, uploading whatever they want, and playing however they want given certain rules.
It's like football, the football players will play however they can to win. You give football players helmets so they start using their head as weapons.
People just have to teach themselves to not talk to the idiots who want to argue. Don't feed the trolls, as is commonly said.
Nice post but I still think it is looking beyond what the entire topic is about hate speech, hate speech isn't arguing to me. I've had my fair share of arguments on the internet and my fare share of in game trash talk but never have those instances stood out like the times I've had my sensibilities assaulted by racism.
And that to me is why it rises to the level of a threat, I remember every single racist incident I've ever been faced with on the internet and not because I dwell on them everyday, I've been cursed out and cursed others out dozens of times and don't remember them but I certainly have never forgotten all the other stuff.
I don't own an Xbox 360 or a PS3 I only game on the PC.
I get what you mean but I think you miss the point because it doesn't matter what the other person on the other end is saying
i.e. "I'm gonna kill you." or "I hate you." or "You are a ____." and any other words (it can be hate speech or arguements or anything it doesn't matter)
You still always have the power to put down the headset, turn down the volume or turn off incoming microphone volume. You can always close the chat. Put them on ignore list. Don't look or read the chat is also entirely possible.
That's the difference between chat and voicechat. It's easy to ignore words on the screen but if you've got an entertainment system surround sound or even just headphones and some idiot is saying they own you over their mic then that game simply sucks if you can't turn it off. and all games that are awesome that I've ever played had this option.
And why should I have to turn off my chat/voicechat on every game before I even start to play to avoid hate speech, not arguing, not comments like "I hate you","you are a tool". "I'm going to kill you n_____." and the hitler comment mentioned in the original story?
Yes I have the power to turn them off but I should also be able to enjoy them without fear of the extra special attention paid by hate mongers. In my estimation things that made that type of activity impossible would be worth it for everyone being able to equally enjoy the experience of the game.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
Wow. There are a lot of overly sensetive pansies out there.
Seriously, pull up your panties, ladies and play. Or don't play and avoid having your fragile little feelings hurt by the harmless words of someone you never have and never will meet face to face.
Man, I miss lawn darts and merry go rounds on metal playgrounds, we used to actually have tools to weed out the weak and stupid among us. Now everything is made of friggin' Nerf...
I could care less, I'll just find someone else to game with. I mean really , who wanted to play with the kid that cries and calls people N's and F's all the time. The answer? not many people. So why would I want to pay to play with these fools? Everyone really should be held accountable to act like a normal human being regardless of whether it is a game. It is a community much like going out in public , and I'm pretty sure most places aren't going to let you act like that in public either.
Want to talk trash, fine go ahead. But to act like a total juvenile POS is really unnecessary and is generally only done for one purpose ... to get their jollies off on irritating other people.
exactly.
You didn't actually read what they said, or you didn't understand it, because it is completely opposed to what you said just a minute ago.
Which is why I've stopped responding to him.
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but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
Parents who grew up before the internet don't CARE about internet gaming. As in they have no interest in playing it themselves. This results in kids having to find their way on the internet alone because their parents and grandparents are scared to death of this whole "cyberspace thing". Honestly, who honestly calls the internet "cyberspace" anymore? Only people born a long time ago or only sometimes when internet seems boring - but ALWAYS, ALWAYS the media will call it the "cyberspace" like a redneck from Texas would. Don't worry, I was born a redneck in Texas so I know what I'm talking about.
The lucky few kids who have parents interested in playing games or kids born in the 1980s (that's me) just now growing up who do care about them just simply teach themselves how to act mature on the internet because they are intelligent human beings. They aren't stupid.
There's this thing called argueing. People don't realize how much of a waste argueing is until they've been on the internet. On the internet you learn just how infinite arguements are.
So you have the internet with limited ways to restrict users from saying anything they want in the form of games like Battlefield: Bad Company 2 or chat programs like AIM and social networking system stuff like twitter and myspace etc, drawing whatever they want, uploading whatever they want, and playing however they want given certain rules.
It's like football, the football players will play however they can to win. You give football players helmets so they start using their head as weapons.
People just have to teach themselves to not talk to the idiots who want to argue. Don't feed the trolls, as is commonly said.
Nice post but I still think it is looking beyond what the entire topic is about hate speech, hate speech isn't arguing to me. I've had my fair share of arguments on the internet and my fare share of in game trash talk but never have those instances stood out like the times I've had my sensibilities assaulted by racism.
And that to me is why it rises to the level of a threat, I remember every single racist incident I've ever been faced with on the internet and not because I dwell on them everyday, I've been cursed out and cursed others out dozens of times and don't remember them but I certainly have never forgotten all the other stuff.
I don't own an Xbox 360 or a PS3 I only game on the PC.
I get what you mean but I think you miss the point because it doesn't matter what the other person on the other end is saying
i.e. "I'm gonna kill you." or "I hate you." or "You are a ____." and any other words (it can be hate speech or arguements or anything it doesn't matter)
You still always have the power to put down the headset, turn down the volume or turn off incoming microphone volume. You can always close the chat. Put them on ignore list. Don't look or read the chat is also entirely possible.
That's the difference between chat and voicechat. It's easy to ignore words on the screen but if you've got an entertainment system surround sound or even just headphones and some idiot is saying they own you over their mic then that game simply sucks if you can't turn it off. and all games that are awesome that I've ever played had this option.
And why should I have to turn off my chat/voicechat on every game before I even start to play to avoid hate speech, not arguing, not comments like "I hate you","you are a tool". "I'm going to kill you n_____." and the hitler comment mentioned in the original story?
Yes I have the power to turn them off but I should also be able to enjoy them without fear of the extra special attention paid by hate mongers. In my estimation things that made that type of activity impossible would be worth it for everyone being able to equally enjoy the experience of the game.
That's too specific. What if there's simply a checkbox menu you can select his name common in most games so that you can still talk to other people. Like the ones found in Half-Life 2.
My point is there's nothing wrong with how games are right now. The power to maintain one's high standards is there if you use the tools given. I never meant to say that we can't improve them. For example, live voicechat filters that are even capable of bleeping out hate speech would be funny.
"So what do you think? Does hate speech ruin our online experience, or is it just part of the online world?
I think it's an individual thing. For some, hate speech DOES indeed ruin their gaming experience. And if left unmoderated may effect whether or not those people continue to play the game, This may effect population and subs so gaming companies are right to at least be concerned with it if its happening within their gaming worlds. I think we need to remember that gaming companies want to make money. No one leaves a game because hate speech isn't present, but they may leave a game if it is.
I personally do not like to experience this kind of thing and if I were playing a game in which many players used hate speech, most likely I would unsub. Am I a pansy for doing so, maybe, I really dont care. All I know is that I like fun communities and one in which hate is being spewed is not a community for me. I remember once logging into my favorite MMO several years ago and the first thing I saw in guild chat was one of our new guildies spewing racism about african americans. I guess he was testing the waters to see if we would respond and join in but the gc just went quiet. Within a few minutes I saw the message that the player had been kicked. As it turns out one of the guild officers was Black and didnt appreciate what he saw. We went back to be the fun loving, joking guild we always were after the booting of that hate monger. Pansies? Maybe, but we play to have fun not to engage with persons that spew hate. We have a right to not have to tolerate it the same way hate mongers have the right of free speech (and hopefully amoung others that love to hate like them).
Can one of you please point out in a quote the exact part of any one of my posts in which I said I was in favour of hate speach? I've read and re-read all of my posts and all I see is me advocating free speach and people getting over their silly little insecurities.
Not that I particularly care how you feel about my posts, I just want to be sure before I start labelling liars.
I think I see the problem. Basically what's happened is my point has been proven right in this thread. Over sensetivity has actually made some of you feel as though I hate girls. So I should clarify.
To be absolutely crystal clear on the issue, I do not condone or support hate speach. I think the Westboro Baptists should be lined up in front of a group of Marine snipers.
I also think people need to get over themselves and figure out how to take care of issues as adults instead of running to tell mommy(game company x) everytime someone says something that they don't like.
People used to be able to A: form an opinion of stimulus(cursing, name calling, incoming fireballs) and then B: react in way they believed proper for themselves(join in, click ignore, duck and cover). These were social skills that we all learned on playgrounds and in classrooms where as it turned out, no, we are not in fact equals. Some are smarter, some are more athletic and some are total wastes of carbon atoms.
We had the tools and the faculties to learn deal with that reality.
But now it's all fair and even and sterile and boring and regulated.
The kid who didn't dodge out of the way after a lawn dart was heaved up in the air wasn't fit to survive like his peers were. The kid with the mouth who was obnoxious and annoying, wasn't fit to have friends.
Start ducking incoming fireballs and ignoring people who throw around language you don't appreciate. They'll either get the message or keep being shunned by their peers until they are completely alone as the universe intended. Running to a developer for a fix every time is just insipid and sad.
Competitiveness + anonymity = douche bag behavior.
Is anyone really surprised? People talk trash during all forms of competitive activities, sports, gambling and gaming. The problem is that with the anonymity that comes with being on the internet and readily available VoIP communication, it has become so much easier for people to talk trash to each other. The plus side is that whereas in real life you can get a beating for stepping out of line, on the internet, you're virtually untouchable.
There is nothing you can do about it. Companies can hire GMs and implement all sorts of filters but as long as there is anonymity and competitive gaming, the trash talking and the abuse will continue.
Those who have played MMOs on PvP and PvE servers will notice that 9 times out of 10 (EVE being the exception) most PvP servers are filled with trash talking douche bags while PvE servers tend to be milder. Competition brings out the worst in us and anonymity allows us to get away with it. It's human nature.
Ehrm... People are going to say things that they don't generally mean when they're in competitive play, nomatter what source they use to be competitive. Be it sports, games with friends, or videogames, vulgarity is always present. Generally people don't mean half of the things they say during competitive play, and i'm sure every person can relate to this statement from real life examples, so the argument that people actually mean what they say is invalid.
Anyway, if this use of language offends you, you can either suck it up and maybe even laugh at it, or mute it.
People make too big an issue out of insignificant things such as this.
I think that what people say when they are anonymous and can get away with it says a lot more about their character, or lack of it, then when they have to be responsible for their words. Hate speech isn't cute, or funny, or youthful hijinx, or "just part of a game." It's behavior that reflects a serious flaw in the speaker's behavior and values.
Beautifully put Amathe, agree wholeheartedly.
Says more about the player than the games they're playing, and anyone getting defensive over it / being dismissive of it is probably guilty of it.
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Amazing there are so many people who find that type of boorish behavior not only acceptable, but who long for it. I must be missing something. You're saying you support people calling each other racial/gay slurs?
I really would have thought people here would be against that. Especially use older folks.
sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me.
Nice post but I still think it is looking beyond what the entire topic is about hate speech, hate speech isn't arguing to me. I've had my fair share of arguments on the internet and my fare share of in game trash talk but never have those instances stood out like the times I've had my sensibilities assaulted by racism.
And that to me is why it rises to the level of a threat, I remember every single racist incident I've ever been faced with on the internet and not because I dwell on them everyday, I've been cursed out and cursed others out dozens of times and don't remember them but I certainly have never forgotten all the other stuff.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
The internet is not an appropriate place for children anymore. There is hardly anywhere you can go to avoid this kind of influence, and no matter what the laptop psychologists want to say about normal behavior in a competetive environment, the sort of foul disregard for the feelings of others isn't 'normal' it's abhorrent.
My friends and I may have called each other names at times, but it is different when you are with friends because they know you personally, and have a personal connection with you so they know you aren't being serious. But if your friend was gay, you wouldn't call him offensive gay terms because if you did he wouldn't be your friend. (Unless of course you were gay too, but that once again fits under knowing they aren't going to take offense.) Or if your friend was Jewish you wouldn't say that you were glad his parents were killed in the holocaust, would you? If you would, then you are a Sociopath and need medical care.
So if you wouldn't insult your friend in the worst possible manner, and everyone has an issue that you avoid talking about, why would you take the chance of doing that to a stranger?
Because no one can punish you for it. Because you don't know right from wrong without outside guidance in the form of negative reinforcement. You could be from 6 - 60 and from any race or religion, but you haven't matured enough that you can control your more animalistic impulses. Given the right situation you could be a murderer or a rapist, it's all just a matter of whether you are sure you could get away with it. Heck, you probably even steal from stores and tell yourself that it's O K, because these big companies aren't going to miss such a small amount, and they charge too much anyway so F them.
But you don't see the big picture. What if everyone did just what they felt like doing? Not what someone else told them was right or wrong, but what they decided for themselves was O K.
Anarchy. Death. Oblivion.
So stop being a douchebag or you'll f*ck up the planet!
I could care less, I'll just find someone else to game with. I mean really , who wanted to play with the kid that cries and calls people N's and F's all the time. The answer? not many people. So why would I want to pay to play with these fools? Everyone really should be held accountable to act like a normal human being regardless of whether it is a game. It is a community much like going out in public , and I'm pretty sure most places aren't going to let you act like that in public either.
Want to talk trash, fine go ahead. But to act like a total juvenile POS is really unnecessary and is generally only done for one purpose ... to get their jollies off on irritating other people.
No, I support people growing a thicker skin and not being so whiny. Someone called you a name? Oh baww. A guy hit me with a car. The two don't equate, one is harmless the other is not.
"Words are neither good nor bad, they're just words. It's the racist asshole using them you have to worry about."-George Carlin
exactly.
I don't own an Xbox 360 or a PS3 I only game on the PC.
I get what you mean but I think you miss the point because it doesn't matter what the other person on the other end is saying
i.e. "I'm gonna kill you." or "I hate you." or "You are a ____." and any other words (it can be hate speech or arguements or anything it doesn't matter)
You still always have the power to put down the headset, turn down the volume or turn off incoming microphone volume. You can always close the chat. Put them on ignore list. Don't look or read the chat is also entirely possible.
That's the difference between chat and voicechat. It's easy to ignore words on the screen but if you've got an entertainment system surround sound or even just headphones and some idiot is saying they own you over their mic then that game simply sucks if you can't turn it off. and all games that are awesome that I've ever played had this option.
You didn't actually read what they said, or you didn't understand it, because it is completely opposed to what you said just a minute ago.
But you know what George Carlin I assure you has a much more neutral tone than you do so please don't quote him, I doubt he would be advocating the use of hate speech freely against someone simply because you are mad at whatever it is that made you mad that day.
I've not walked a mile in your shoes so I certainly wouldn't presume to know what you have been through and I certainly ask that you try to do the same thing before you ever try to question my man hood with remarks like "seriously pull up your panties".
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
Interesting you think using racial/gay slurs is somehow manly, but someone who doesn't resort to immature namecalling is whiney. I would actually say its the lesser discplined person who resorts to those tactics.
If you think someone is saying being ran over by a car is less traumatizing I think you need to reread the responses.
I agree with Carlin's quote. That doesn't mean I want my son to start using racial/gay slurs at school to prove his manliness.
You just don't get it. Most people don't care about what other people call them. They just think it's pathetic behavior, want no part of it, and want the person participating removed from their community.
And why should I have to turn off my chat/voicechat on every game before I even start to play to avoid hate speech, not arguing, not comments like "I hate you","you are a tool". "I'm going to kill you n_____." and the hitler comment mentioned in the original story?
Yes I have the power to turn them off but I should also be able to enjoy them without fear of the extra special attention paid by hate mongers. In my estimation things that made that type of activity impossible would be worth it for everyone being able to equally enjoy the experience of the game.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
Which is why I've stopped responding to him.
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but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
That's too specific. What if there's simply a checkbox menu you can select his name common in most games so that you can still talk to other people. Like the ones found in Half-Life 2.
My point is there's nothing wrong with how games are right now. The power to maintain one's high standards is there if you use the tools given. I never meant to say that we can't improve them. For example, live voicechat filters that are even capable of bleeping out hate speech would be funny.
It's not the games. It's the people.
I think it's an individual thing. For some, hate speech DOES indeed ruin their gaming experience. And if left unmoderated may effect whether or not those people continue to play the game, This may effect population and subs so gaming companies are right to at least be concerned with it if its happening within their gaming worlds. I think we need to remember that gaming companies want to make money. No one leaves a game because hate speech isn't present, but they may leave a game if it is.
I personally do not like to experience this kind of thing and if I were playing a game in which many players used hate speech, most likely I would unsub. Am I a pansy for doing so, maybe, I really dont care. All I know is that I like fun communities and one in which hate is being spewed is not a community for me. I remember once logging into my favorite MMO several years ago and the first thing I saw in guild chat was one of our new guildies spewing racism about african americans. I guess he was testing the waters to see if we would respond and join in but the gc just went quiet. Within a few minutes I saw the message that the player had been kicked. As it turns out one of the guild officers was Black and didnt appreciate what he saw. We went back to be the fun loving, joking guild we always were after the booting of that hate monger. Pansies? Maybe, but we play to have fun not to engage with persons that spew hate. We have a right to not have to tolerate it the same way hate mongers have the right of free speech (and hopefully amoung others that love to hate like them).
Current Games: WOW, EVE Online
<Mod edit> You bunch of cun*s
Can one of you please point out in a quote the exact part of any one of my posts in which I said I was in favour of hate speach? I've read and re-read all of my posts and all I see is me advocating free speach and people getting over their silly little insecurities.
Not that I particularly care how you feel about my posts, I just want to be sure before I start labelling liars.
Actually, everyone else seems to be reading text in my posts which is not there.
It makes me want to revert to my 4chan mode...must...resist...urge...
Bro you are playing LOTRO like it owes you money - Grunt187
Anticipation : TERA
I think I see the problem. Basically what's happened is my point has been proven right in this thread. Over sensetivity has actually made some of you feel as though I hate girls. So I should clarify.
To be absolutely crystal clear on the issue, I do not condone or support hate speach. I think the Westboro Baptists should be lined up in front of a group of Marine snipers.
I also think people need to get over themselves and figure out how to take care of issues as adults instead of running to tell mommy(game company x) everytime someone says something that they don't like.
People used to be able to A: form an opinion of stimulus(cursing, name calling, incoming fireballs) and then B: react in way they believed proper for themselves(join in, click ignore, duck and cover). These were social skills that we all learned on playgrounds and in classrooms where as it turned out, no, we are not in fact equals. Some are smarter, some are more athletic and some are total wastes of carbon atoms.
We had the tools and the faculties to learn deal with that reality.
But now it's all fair and even and sterile and boring and regulated.
The kid who didn't dodge out of the way after a lawn dart was heaved up in the air wasn't fit to survive like his peers were. The kid with the mouth who was obnoxious and annoying, wasn't fit to have friends.
Start ducking incoming fireballs and ignoring people who throw around language you don't appreciate. They'll either get the message or keep being shunned by their peers until they are completely alone as the universe intended. Running to a developer for a fix every time is just insipid and sad.
Competitiveness + anonymity = douche bag behavior.
Is anyone really surprised? People talk trash during all forms of competitive activities, sports, gambling and gaming. The problem is that with the anonymity that comes with being on the internet and readily available VoIP communication, it has become so much easier for people to talk trash to each other. The plus side is that whereas in real life you can get a beating for stepping out of line, on the internet, you're virtually untouchable.
There is nothing you can do about it. Companies can hire GMs and implement all sorts of filters but as long as there is anonymity and competitive gaming, the trash talking and the abuse will continue.
Those who have played MMOs on PvP and PvE servers will notice that 9 times out of 10 (EVE being the exception) most PvP servers are filled with trash talking douche bags while PvE servers tend to be milder. Competition brings out the worst in us and anonymity allows us to get away with it. It's human nature.
Beautifully put Amathe, agree wholeheartedly.
Says more about the player than the games they're playing, and anyone getting defensive over it / being dismissive of it is probably guilty of it.
Mute button is great.
And if you don't make use of it then it's your own fault and you probably just want to further the argument anyway.