I can just see all of these ostriches (with their heads in the sand) in the not so distant future saying "damn I can't believe they took it this far! Oh well, hindsight is 20-20."
Have no fear though my lovely ostriches, many of us will still be around to remind you that you all had your fucking heads in the sand.
You are a funny little man. My head is not in the sand. I'm taking the "wait and see" approach, instead of the "sky is falling" approach. If, after the launch, I feel they "took it too far", then I'll simply cancel my sub. Nothing lost. I enjoy the game as it stands now. If the game changes in a way I don't like, I will simply step away.
I find all this doom and gloom too funny. No one knows what is actually gonna happen. I don't even think Turbine knows for sure. I'm no ostrich, but you sure seem to be a pessimist.
No the sky isn't falling dear, and there is no doom on the way. What's going to happen is one of two things:
1) You'll end up leaving the genre in disgust, eventually.
2) Your wallet will be much lighter.
Taking a wait-and-see approach with changes such as this is very unwise. You don't have to be afraid (that goes for all of you ostriches), you just have to use your head. Sometimes sitting idly and saying "ahhh we'll just sit back and wait to see how it all turns out" is not the right thing to do. Basically don't be so quick to bend over, this is not the time.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
I can just see all of these ostriches (with their heads in the sand) in the not so distant future saying "damn I can't believe they took it this far! Oh well, hindsight is 20-20."
Have no fear though my lovely ostriches, many of us will still be around to remind you that you all had your fucking heads in the sand.
You are a funny little man. My head is not in the sand. I'm taking the "wait and see" approach, instead of the "sky is falling" approach. If, after the launch, I feel they "took it too far", then I'll simply cancel my sub. Nothing lost. I enjoy the game as it stands now. If the game changes in a way I don't like, I will simply step away.
I find all this doom and gloom too funny. No one knows what is actually gonna happen. I don't even think Turbine knows for sure. I'm no ostrich, but you sure seem to be a pessimist.
As a consumer, you have a few options.....
A) Do nothing, say nothing, continue to purchase the product until you stop enjoying it.
Stop purchasing the product now because you aren't happy with the direction the company is going.
C) Raise a stink and let the company know that you aren't happy with the direction you percieve the company to be going and that if they are too egregious in the way they institute this change, you'll be taking your business elsewhere.
A - is the equivalent of abdicating your ability as a consumer to influence the direction of the company until it is too late to do anything about it. While they certainly will take notice if you stop paying.... the damage will already have been done by the time that happens. In business, and especialy this business, it is MUCH MUCH harder to put the genie back in the bottle once you've let her out. There is a certain fatal inertia to executive decisions.
B - COULD help influence the companies decisions...however it also hurts you IF you are enjoying the product as it currently stands....You could also be jumping to an uneccsary conclusion about the products direction.
C - Actually is your best bet as a consumer to exert some influence over the products direction while minimizing the negative impact to yourself. While I don't pretend that we can realisticaly force Turbine to reverse this move (I can smell an executive mandate miles away).... raising a big enough stink now...can cause them to be a little bit more circumspect about HOW FAR they take this and how they go about implimenting it.
So if there are things about the move that MIGHT be of concern to you.....don't just sit there.... speak up loud and clear and make sure Turbine hears your concerns and KNOWS that you'll be on the lookout for those things.
Nothing encourages a business to engage in shenanigans more then then the idea it's customers aren't paying attention.
I can just see all of these ostriches (with their heads in the sand) in the not so distant future saying "damn I can't believe they took it this far! Oh well, hindsight is 20-20."
Have no fear though my lovely ostriches, many of us will still be around to remind you that you all had your fucking heads in the sand.
You are a funny little man. My head is not in the sand. I'm taking the "wait and see" approach, instead of the "sky is falling" approach. If, after the launch, I feel they "took it too far", then I'll simply cancel my sub. Nothing lost. I enjoy the game as it stands now. If the game changes in a way I don't like, I will simply step away.
I find all this doom and gloom too funny. No one knows what is actually gonna happen. I don't even think Turbine knows for sure. I'm no ostrich, but you sure seem to be a pessimist.
No the sky isn't falling dear, and there is no doom on the way. What's going to happen is one of two things:
1) You'll end up leaving the genre in disgust, eventually.
2) Your wallet will be much lighter.
Taking a wait-and-see approach with changes such as this is very unwise. You don't have to be afraid (that goes for all of you ostriches), you just have to use your head. Sometimes sitting idly and saying "ahhh we'll just sit back and wait to see how it all turns out" is not the right thing to do. Basically don't be so quick to bend over, this is not the time.
Do you have some sort of certifiable crystal ball that's allowing you to make those predictions? Or, is it just more wishful thinking and fearmongering on your part? I'm voting for the later.
I can just see all of these ostriches (with their heads in the sand) in the not so distant future saying "damn I can't believe they took it this far! Oh well, hindsight is 20-20."
Have no fear though my lovely ostriches, many of us will still be around to remind you that you all had your fucking heads in the sand.
You are a funny little man. My head is not in the sand. I'm taking the "wait and see" approach, instead of the "sky is falling" approach. If, after the launch, I feel they "took it too far", then I'll simply cancel my sub. Nothing lost. I enjoy the game as it stands now. If the game changes in a way I don't like, I will simply step away.
I find all this doom and gloom too funny. No one knows what is actually gonna happen. I don't even think Turbine knows for sure. I'm no ostrich, but you sure seem to be a pessimist.
No the sky isn't falling dear, and there is no doom on the way. What's going to happen is one of two things:
1) You'll end up leaving the genre in disgust, eventually.
2) Your wallet will be much lighter.
Taking a wait-and-see approach with changes such as this is very unwise. You don't have to be afraid (that goes for all of you ostriches), you just have to use your head. Sometimes sitting idly and saying "ahhh we'll just sit back and wait to see how it all turns out" is not the right thing to do. Basically don't be so quick to bend over, this is not the time.
In this case, I do think it is the right thing to do. I'm definitely not afraid, like the pessimists and the "sky is falling" mentality. So, my change purse may be a bit lighter. If that's the only bad thing to happen, I'm OK with that. I currently play 3 p2p mmo's. If I loose one, then that's OK. There are a bunch more on the horizon. So, I loose NOTHING by taking the "wait and see" mentality.
Like I stated earlier, I am no ostrich. My head is firmly planted on my shoulders. I enjoy playing the game now. If I don't after the launch, I simply unsubscribe. Again, I loose NOTHING. While you loose your voice running around in circles screaming, "The sky is falling. The sky is falling!"....lol
I can just see all of these ostriches (with their heads in the sand) in the not so distant future saying "damn I can't believe they took it this far! Oh well, hindsight is 20-20."
Have no fear though my lovely ostriches, many of us will still be around to remind you that you all had your fucking heads in the sand.
You are a funny little man. My head is not in the sand. I'm taking the "wait and see" approach, instead of the "sky is falling" approach. If, after the launch, I feel they "took it too far", then I'll simply cancel my sub. Nothing lost. I enjoy the game as it stands now. If the game changes in a way I don't like, I will simply step away.
I find all this doom and gloom too funny. No one knows what is actually gonna happen. I don't even think Turbine knows for sure. I'm no ostrich, but you sure seem to be a pessimist.
As a consumer, you have a few options.....
A) Do nothing, say nothing, continue to purchase the product until you stop enjoying it.
Stop purchasing the product now because you aren't happy with the direction the company is going.
C) Raise a stink and let the company know that you aren't happy with the direction you percieve the company to be going and that if they are too egregious in the way they institute this change, you'll be taking your business elsewhere.
A - is the equivalent of abdicating your ability as a consumer to influence the direction of the company until it is too late to do anything about it. While they certainly will take notice if you stop paying.... the damage will already have been done by the time that happens. In business, and especialy this business, it is MUCH MUCH harder to put the genie back in the bottle once you've let her out. There is a certain fatal inertia to executive decisions.
B - COULD help influence the companies decisions...however it also hurts you IF you are enjoying the product as it currently stands....You could also be jumping to an uneccsary conclusion about the products direction.
C - Actually is your best bet as a consumer to exert some influence over the products direction while minimizing the negative impact to yourself. While I don't pretend that we can realisticaly force Turbine to reverse this move (I can smell an executive mandate miles away).... raising a big enough stink now...can cause them to be a little bit more circumspect about HOW FAR they take this and how they go about implimenting it.
So if there are things about the move that MIGHT be of concern to you.....don't just sit there.... speak up loud and clear and make sure Turbine hears your concerns and KNOWS that you'll be on the lookout for those things.
Nothing encourages a business to engage in shenanigans more then then the idea it's customers aren't paying attention.
I highlighted the key phrase to your whole theorycrafting post.
Many people are actually using a level head and understand and accept these changes. Especially considering that it will not affect majority of the current subscribers.
Of course, the anti-F2P (even though this is not a true F2P model) and the anti-Turbine crowd are not doing the level-head thing. Instead of actually reading what these changes entail, they are flying off the handle in a nerd rage. Using specious arguments rather than facts. All with the idea to try and influence people towards their biased and misguided side.
I can just see all of these ostriches (with their heads in the sand) in the not so distant future saying "damn I can't believe they took it this far! Oh well, hindsight is 20-20."
Have no fear though my lovely ostriches, many of us will still be around to remind you that you all had your fucking heads in the sand.
You are a funny little man. My head is not in the sand. I'm taking the "wait and see" approach, instead of the "sky is falling" approach. If, after the launch, I feel they "took it too far", then I'll simply cancel my sub. Nothing lost. I enjoy the game as it stands now. If the game changes in a way I don't like, I will simply step away.
I find all this doom and gloom too funny. No one knows what is actually gonna happen. I don't even think Turbine knows for sure. I'm no ostrich, but you sure seem to be a pessimist.
As a consumer, you have a few options.....
A) Do nothing, say nothing, continue to purchase the product until you stop enjoying it.
Stop purchasing the product now because you aren't happy with the direction the company is going.
C) Raise a stink and let the company know that you aren't happy with the direction you percieve the company to be going and that if they are too egregious in the way they institute this change, you'll be taking your business elsewhere.
A - is the equivalent of abdicating your ability as a consumer to influence the direction of the company until it is too late to do anything about it. While they certainly will take notice if you stop paying.... the damage will already have been done by the time that happens. In business, and especialy this business, it is MUCH MUCH harder to put the genie back in the bottle once you've let her out. There is a certain fatal inertia to executive decisions.
B - COULD help influence the companies decisions...however it also hurts you IF you are enjoying the product as it currently stands....You could also be jumping to an uneccsary conclusion about the products direction.
C - Actually is your best bet as a consumer to exert some influence over the products direction while minimizing the negative impact to yourself. While I don't pretend that we can realisticaly force Turbine to reverse this move (I can smell an executive mandate miles away).... raising a big enough stink now...can cause them to be a little bit more circumspect about HOW FAR they take this and how they go about implimenting it.
So if there are things about the move that MIGHT be of concern to you.....don't just sit there.... speak up loud and clear and make sure Turbine hears your concerns and KNOWS that you'll be on the lookout for those things.
Nothing encourages a business to engage in shenanigans more then then the idea it's customers aren't paying attention.
I highlighted the key phrase to your whole theorycrafting post.
Many people are actually using a level head and understand and accept these changes. Especially considering that it will not affect majority of the current subscribers.
Of course, the anti-F2P (even though this is not a true F2P model) and the anti-Turbine crowd are not doing the level-head thing. Instead of actually reading what these changes entail, they are flying off the handle in a nerd rage. Using specious arguments rather than facts. All with the idea to try and influence people towards their biased and misguided side.
No offense, but the marketing guys must love you if you take everything they present at face value. There are no "facts" yet for you to operate off of... There is the "spin" that Turbines PR folks are putting out...and then there is some conjecture that the rest of us are engaged in. Yes Turbine is trying to spin it that "nothing will change" for existing subscribers and that it will be a good thing (tm) for the game as a whole....what would you expect them to say?
I also remember hearing from some of those very same people that LOTRO would never have overt magic in it (hello Rune-Keepers) and that there were absolutely no plans to go Free 2 Play (as little as 3 months ago).
The only "fact" here is that neither you nor I have the first clue about what they truely are going to try to impliment in the long term or just how it will effect your game play. Probably Turbine doesn't even have that fully formed in thier own mind yet either.
Regardless, the best way to ASSURE that your worst nightmare will come true is to sit back and do nothing. If you don't believe that the sort of exec's who work over at WB WILL try to rip the shirt right of you back if they think they can get way with it.... you are being extremely naive.
Best yet...if I'm wrong....and all this is needless paranoia....then the only thing I've lost is about 10 minutes of typing posts. No harm, no foul..... If your wrong, you'll sit blithely by and do nothing while they destroy your game. Good luck with that approach.
And I won't be playing it again ever. It's uninstalled. Not even on the radar.
I would not have purchased the game again ( had an account a couple years ago, but picked up the game+expansions in a bundled pack since it seemed like the best way to go) if I had known that the game had no future.
Whatever, I got bit. Lesson learned. No more Turbine games.
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I don't friggin' care if 12 million people start playing. I don't do F2P, I don't do cash shops, I don't do "Premium content".
The game is dead, as far as I care, just like Spellborne, DDO, and the rest of that F2P trash.
Lmao @ your closedminded-ness. You can still sub, and nothing, as far as content, will change for you.
Just lol.
EDIT: You should give me your account. /sarcasm
Unless you want to. [:
The really funny thing is how he will cry when all future MMOs do that and really, you already have microtransactions in form of DLCs in offline games aswell, case in point Dragon Age, Mass Effect 1&2, Oblivion, Fallout 3 etcpp.
I mean really, a 500% increase in revenue for DDO? Turbine is:
a) Lying
b) Pioneering something everyone will want to do
The only company i currently see with the necessary backbone to not adapt this is CCP, cause they are a Indy developer with no publisher ordering them around, so it actually makes a difference what the devs want. They where always a queer bunch anyway, what with not charging for expansions and stuff.
No offense, but that's just the sort of thinking that got us the Dot com bubble burst and the sub-prime mortgage crisis. Just because something is effective in gaining a short-term revenue increase in one particular instance does NOT mean that it will have a similar effect in other instances or that it's effects will be beneficial in the long term as well. So lets add a couple of other possibilties to your list:
C) Trying to apply a principle that worked well for one particular game in one particular circumstance to an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT sort of game in an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT sort of circumstances and taking for granted that the results will be similar.
D) Engaging in short term profit taking which MAY or MAY NOT effect the long term revenue viability of the product and it's company.
E) Doing something that made the company LOOK attractive to purchase for the particular buyer (WB) that just purchased it, regardless of whether they thought it was a good move for the game or not.
F) Pursuing a model that the new management of the game felt more comfortable with...since that's how she earned her wings in DDO... regardless of whether that model will work well here or not.
G) Throwing a dart at the wall and seeing what pricing model comes up.
H) Something that none of us on the outside have figured out yet.
Which one of these is it? Your guess is as good as mine. Same for how it will actually work out for LOTRO when actually implimented.....but I don't mind saying that I have a very bad feeling about that.
Don't forget, a very highly paid and placed executive came out with the plan for "New Coke" as well... they probably even had some strong marketing research that it would be insanely proffitable for them.
c) This is a buisness model, nothing to do with the game as such or its population(apart from its future population ofc). Its like Flatrates, they just work, doesnt matter if its about phone service, internet service or all you can eat in a restaurant.
d) Long term viability of MMOs is shit anyway, thats why we get companies like cryptic practically living from just the initial sales of their MMOs. Yeah we get it, it works for blizzard, but take a look at the other 200 something MMOs on this site. Or in other words, would you actually invest MONEY into an upcoming MMO expecting some kind of return?
e) The move was made because WB wanted it, not the other way around. DDO was busy overshadowing LoTRO, which is another reason actual players of the game are feeling even a bit of allevation over it.
f) The model has worked countless times, microtransactions are on the rise, there can be no doubt about that. Is there even a single P2P mmo that went F2P and had to be shut down? And some of them are really shitty and still seem to atleast play in the hardware costs and maintenace crews.
g) Ever though about doing a latenight show, i mean you got the jokes and the charisma for it
h) There is always something unknown going on behind the scenes, and we always get the distilled and prettied up version, thats life.
Just because some executive somewhere made an error doesnt mean every management decision is suddenly being wrong. Thats like saying hitler got voted into his position democratically, so now every democratically voted guy is going to pull the next holocaust + WW. Those highly paid and placed executive get to call the shots because they are right most of the time, nobody can be right all the time. But you know what? You can do a thousand right decisions in your buisness, but people will always recall you over the one decision where you have been wrong and failed miserably.
Do you have some sort of certifiable crystal ball that's allowing you to make those predictions? Or, is it just more wishful thinking and fearmongering on your part? I'm voting for the later.
No crystal ball I'm afraid, just foresight and common sense. Very valuable tools that you should also have as an adult.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
The only "fact" here is that neither you nor I have the first clue about what they truely are going to try to impliment in the long term or just how it will effect your game play. Probably Turbine doesn't even have that fully formed in thier own mind yet either.
Regardless, the best way to ASSURE that your worst nightmare will come true is to sit back and do nothing. If you don't believe that the sort of exec's who work over at WB WILL try to rip the shirt right of you back if they think they can get way with it.... you are being extremely naive.
Best yet...if I'm wrong....and all this is needless paranoia....then the only thing I've lost is about 10 minutes of typing posts. No harm, no foul..... If your wrong, you'll sit blithely by and do nothing while they destroy your game. Good luck with that approach.
This is what I've been trying to say all along. (in red) No one knows what is going to happen, I don't even think Turbine knows for sure. All we can do is wait and see. All this doom and gloom by the pessimistic few is absolutely hysterical. What's with trhe worst nightmare crap? It's a game. If it causes you nightmares...QUIT! I think this is needless paranoia anyway. If the game changes and I'm dissatisfied, then I'll unsubscribe.
Some pessimist screaming in circles that the "Sky is falling!" Is great entertainment til the launch, though...so, um...Thanks.
I can just see all of these ostriches (with their heads in the sand) in the not so distant future saying "damn I can't believe they took it this far! Oh well, hindsight is 20-20."
Have no fear though my lovely ostriches, many of us will still be around to remind you that you all had your fucking heads in the sand.
You are a funny little man. My head is not in the sand. I'm taking the "wait and see" approach, instead of the "sky is falling" approach. If, after the launch, I feel they "took it too far", then I'll simply cancel my sub. Nothing lost. I enjoy the game as it stands now. If the game changes in a way I don't like, I will simply step away.
I find all this doom and gloom too funny. No one knows what is actually gonna happen. I don't even think Turbine knows for sure. I'm no ostrich, but you sure seem to be a pessimist.
No the sky isn't falling dear, and there is no doom on the way. What's going to happen is one of two things:
1) You'll end up leaving the genre in disgust, eventually.
2) Your wallet will be much lighter.
Taking a wait-and-see approach with changes such as this is very unwise. You don't have to be afraid (that goes for all of you ostriches), you just have to use your head. Sometimes sitting idly and saying "ahhh we'll just sit back and wait to see how it all turns out" is not the right thing to do. Basically don't be so quick to bend over, this is not the time.
Nah .. i will be having fun in the genre without paying a dime. Just like what i did with DDO.
Now all the other kids in school will make fun of me and i'll never be cool again. It's all your fault!
I hate you, I hate you, I hate you!
*slams door*
Then... in a few days they come back asking for some money to go to the mall.
LOL, precisely best post ever
You could add that there are also a few "adults", trying to explain these children how these things do not make or break their lives, and how they can live without it... but some just keep yelling a crying
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
Do you have some sort of certifiable crystal ball that's allowing you to make those predictions? Or, is it just more wishful thinking and fearmongering on your part? I'm voting for the later.
No crystal ball I'm afraid, just foresight and common sense. Very valuable tools that you should also have as an adult.
Hmm... then your definition of "foresight and common sense" must be drastically different from the proper definition. All I see you doing is paranoia and fearmongering.
DDO went f2p and it's more popular now than it ever was. The population shot through the roof. Wait and see how fun monster play will be when the population quadruples over night.
I don't friggin' care if 12 million people start playing. I don't do F2P, I don't do cash shops, I don't do "Premium content".
The game is dead, as far as I care, just like Spellborne, DDO, and the rest of that F2P trash.
i completely agree, i WILL not play a F2P game ever because i never want to be limited to what i can do because i can't afford it. And people that say it doesnt kill the community... thats bullshit DDO had a roleplaying community now its a joke and dont even try to say it's not. They have more money now but at the dispense of their loyal players.
Gj turbine you just took your first step into the dark side
I can just see all of these ostriches (with their heads in the sand) in the not so distant future saying "damn I can't believe they took it this far! Oh well, hindsight is 20-20."
Have no fear though my lovely ostriches, many of us will still be around to remind you that you all had your fucking heads in the sand.
You are a funny little man. My head is not in the sand. I'm taking the "wait and see" approach, instead of the "sky is falling" approach. If, after the launch, I feel they "took it too far", then I'll simply cancel my sub. Nothing lost. I enjoy the game as it stands now. If the game changes in a way I don't like, I will simply step away.
I find all this doom and gloom too funny. No one knows what is actually gonna happen. I don't even think Turbine knows for sure. I'm no ostrich, but you sure seem to be a pessimist.
As a consumer, you have a few options.....
A) Do nothing, say nothing, continue to purchase the product until you stop enjoying it.
Stop purchasing the product now because you aren't happy with the direction the company is going.
C) Raise a stink and let the company know that you aren't happy with the direction you percieve the company to be going and that if they are too egregious in the way they institute this change, you'll be taking your business elsewhere.
A - is the equivalent of abdicating your ability as a consumer to influence the direction of the company until it is too late to do anything about it. While they certainly will take notice if you stop paying.... the damage will already have been done by the time that happens. In business, and especialy this business, it is MUCH MUCH harder to put the genie back in the bottle once you've let her out. There is a certain fatal inertia to executive decisions.
B - COULD help influence the companies decisions...however it also hurts you IF you are enjoying the product as it currently stands....You could also be jumping to an uneccsary conclusion about the products direction.
C - Actually is your best bet as a consumer to exert some influence over the products direction while minimizing the negative impact to yourself. While I don't pretend that we can realisticaly force Turbine to reverse this move (I can smell an executive mandate miles away).... raising a big enough stink now...can cause them to be a little bit more circumspect about HOW FAR they take this and how they go about implimenting it.
So if there are things about the move that MIGHT be of concern to you.....don't just sit there.... speak up loud and clear and make sure Turbine hears your concerns and KNOWS that you'll be on the lookout for those things.
Nothing encourages a business to engage in shenanigans more then then the idea it's customers aren't paying attention.
I highlighted the key phrase to your whole theorycrafting post.
Many people are actually using a level head and understand and accept these changes. Especially considering that it will not affect majority of the current subscribers.
Of course, the anti-F2P (even though this is not a true F2P model) and the anti-Turbine crowd are not doing the level-head thing. Instead of actually reading what these changes entail, they are flying off the handle in a nerd rage. Using specious arguments rather than facts. All with the idea to try and influence people towards their biased and misguided side.
No offense, but the marketing guys must love you if you take everything they present at face value. There are no "facts" yet for you to operate off of... There is the "spin" that Turbines PR folks are putting out...and then there is some conjecture that the rest of us are engaged in. Yes Turbine is trying to spin it that "nothing will change" for existing subscribers and that it will be a good thing (tm) for the game as a whole....what would you expect them to say?
No offense, but conspiracy theorists must love you since you take everything at a worst-case-scenario outlook. Paranoia at its most viral form.
I also remember hearing from some of those very same people that LOTRO would never have overt magic in it (hello Rune-Keepers) and that there were absolutely no plans to go Free 2 Play (as little as 3 months ago).
MMORPG's change. If you don't like it, you are in the wrong genre of gaming. And, despite your and the anti-F2P and anti-Turbine crowds' incessant use of the coin phrase "F2P", LoTRO's new model is a hybrid version. The subscription portion of the model will be very much there and be very much unchanged.
The only "fact" here is that neither you nor I have the first clue about what they truely are going to try to impliment in the long term or just how it will effect your game play. Probably Turbine doesn't even have that fully formed in thier own mind yet either.
Actually, they have put out what each plan of the new model will and will not get. Sounds like a fact to me.
Regardless, the best way to ASSURE that your worst nightmare will come true is to sit back and do nothing. If you don't believe that the sort of exec's who work over at WB WILL try to rip the shirt right of you back if they think they can get way with it.... you are being extremely naive.
There is a massive difference between actual "worst nightmare" and perceived "worst nightmare". Your "concerns" are nothing but perceived based on a knee-jerk reaction when the anti groups started using the coin phrase "F2P" towards LoTRO's new model. You are basing your reaction totally on conjecture rather than facts. Yay more paranoia.
Best yet...if I'm wrong....and all this is needless paranoia....then the only thing I've lost is about 10 minutes of typing posts (you forgot to add that you'll loose your credibility for being a poster who focuses on facts and avoids paranoid knee-jerk reactions). No harm, no foul..... If your wrong, you'll sit blithely by and do nothing while they destroy your game. Good luck with that approach. It's a risk... but one that I have used logic to discern rather than paranoid knee-jerk reactions.
Hello folks. Been a lurker for quite sometime and also a subscriber to LOTRO, off and on, since launch. The F2P announcement and the applause from a lot of the "future fans" of the game has me curious. I personally have informed my Kin that I will be leaving the game as soon as my current 3 month sub has finished and I am not alone all though most are taking a wait and see attitude. Since the launch of the Mirkwood xpac I have seen many posts here and other websites that it was about half an xpac and more of a large patch, and I agree with that opinion. From what ive been reading lately the upcoming xpac will also contain a small area about the size of Mirkwood. IMO Turbine is doing this to make it possible to purchase a little content at a time from the cash shop and could care less about the lack of new content for the paying subscriber. Im curious as to how much grind the new area will contain as I expect it to be very high in grind with of course plenty of potions or tomes to alleviate this grind in the Cash Shop. Yes, im curious, but not curious enough to continue playing the game. I have heard it said that for everyone of us who leavel 10 will take our place and that may be true but will the 10 spend enough money to make up for my sub plus the bandwith the extra 9 will be using? It remains to be seen. I will read about it here and other places I am sure. Just my thoughts on this topic.
WOW isnt great because it has 12 million players. WOW has 12 million players because its great.
MMORPG's change. If you don't like it, you are in the wrong genre of gaming. And, despite your and the anti-F2P and anti-Turbine crowds' incessant use of the coin phrase "F2P", LoTRO's new model is a hybrid version. The subscription portion of the model will be very much there and be very much unchanged.
So, in the first part of that paragraph, you acknowledge that MMORPGs change. At its conclusion, you state that the sub model (the crux of this entire debate) is going to remain unchanged (which is incorrect btw, since what you get for the sub price will change).
Which is it?
Do you really think that Turbine, over time, isn't going to add things into the cash shop that can only be purchased in the cash shop? Maybe they've already stated that they will, I don't know because I don't really care about or keep up with LotrO. Regardless, at some point it will happen, and the people that pay for a sub now (that guarantees them access to all content) will have to pay a sub plus something extra to get all the content. That's what most anti-F2P people are irritated about, and rightly so.
The fact that you contradicted yourself in the space of a couple of sentences illustrates what is wrong with the sheeple who defend F2P better than any anti-F2P post ever could. It's so easy for these companies to get you guys on board with all these changes. I don't blame them for striking while the iron is hot. It's just too bad for the rest of us who recognized what an unbeatable value the old flat-rate payment model was.
Change, progress, and naivete though, woo! Onward!
Umm. The email I recieved from Turbine states that LOTRO is going F2P. So what is it then? F2P or not? Is Turbine lieing aobut what the game actually is or do a few people refuse to admit what it is to keep people paying a sub so they can play for free? I enjoyed the ostrich reference someone here made, its very fitting.
WOW isnt great because it has 12 million players. WOW has 12 million players because its great.
MMORPG's change. If you don't like it, you are in the wrong genre of gaming. And, despite your and the anti-F2P and anti-Turbine crowds' incessant use of the coin phrase "F2P", LoTRO's new model is a hybrid version. The subscription portion of the model will be very much there and be very much unchanged.
So, in the first part of that paragraph, you acknowledge that MMORPGs change. At its conclusion, you state that the sub model (the crux of this entire debate) is going to remain unchanged (which is incorrect btw, since what you get for the sub price will change).
What exaclty is changing between what you get for the sub price now and what you get under F2P? Please enlighten us as to what we are loosing exactly.
Which is it?
Do you really think that Turbine, over time, isn't going to add things into the cash shop that can only be purchased in the cash shop? Maybe they've already stated that they will, I don't know because I don't really care about or keep up with LotrO. Regardless, at some point it will happen, and the people that pay for a sub now (that guarantees them access to all content) will have to pay a sub plus something extra to get all the content. That's what most anti-F2P people are irritated about, and rightly so.
If DDO is any indicator the only thing that they will add that isn't available through normal play is merely longer lasting versions of the items that are available ingame. i.e. longer lasting hope tokens etc.
The fact that you contradicted yourself in the space of a couple of sentences illustrates what is wrong with the sheeple who defend F2P better than any anti-F2P post ever could. It's so easy for these companies to get you guys on board with all these changes. I don't blame them for striking while the iron is hot. It's just too bad for the rest of us who recognized what an unbeatable value the old flat-rate payment model was.
He was talking about gameplay not subscription models. It's funny it seems that everyone who is so against this move has absolutely no knowledge of how it's actually going to work. Willfull ignorance FTL.
Change, progress, and naivete though, woo! Onward!
Umm. The email I recieved from Turbine states that LOTRO is going F2P. So what is it then? F2P or not? Is Turbine lieing aobut what the game actually is or do a few people refuse to admit what it is to keep people paying a sub so they can play for free? I enjoyed the ostrich reference someone here made, its very fitting.
Dude, you start off on these forums with demolishing even a hint of your credibility, by first announcing that you have "already quit", and THEN actually start asking about what the new F2P model introduction means.
Seriously, was this really worth it?
Excuse me if I voice my concern that you sound like a second account of a regular known doomyeller on these boards.
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
Umm. The email I recieved from Turbine states that LOTRO is going F2P. So what is it then? F2P or not? Is Turbine lieing aobut what the game actually is or do a few people refuse to admit what it is to keep people paying a sub so they can play for free? I enjoyed the ostrich reference someone here made, its very fitting.
Dude, you start off on these forums with demolishing even a hint of your credibility, by first announcing that you have "already quit", and THEN actually start asking about what the new F2P model introduction means.
Seriously, was this really worth it?
DB
No Dude, I have not said I already quit. I said I was leaving the game after my three month sub runs out. The blinders you use to read about all the good things Turbine is doing for its players should perhaps be removed while reading posts on other web sites.
WOW isnt great because it has 12 million players. WOW has 12 million players because its great.
Umm. The email I recieved from Turbine states that LOTRO is going F2P. So what is it then? F2P or not? Is Turbine lieing aobut what the game actually is or do a few people refuse to admit what it is to keep people paying a sub so they can play for free? I enjoyed the ostrich reference someone here made, its very fitting.
Dude, you start off on these forums with demolishing even a hint of your credibility, by first announcing that you have "already quit", and THEN actually start asking about what the new F2P model introduction means.
Seriously, was this really worth it?
DB
No Dude, I have not said I already quit. I said I was leaving the game after my three month sub runs out. The blinders you use to read about all the good things Turbine is doing for its players should perhaps be removed while reading posts on other web sites.
Semantics. A prepaid sub of course only runs out after a certain amount of time. The decision you made has already been done, therefore you already know you quit.
This is not the point anyway. The point is, that you have made this decision based on utter ignorance about how things will (NOT) change for active subscribers.
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
MMORPG's change. If you don't like it, you are in the wrong genre of gaming. And, despite your and the anti-F2P and anti-Turbine crowds' incessant use of the coin phrase "F2P", LoTRO's new model is a hybrid version. The subscription portion of the model will be very much there and be very much unchanged.
So, in the first part of that paragraph, you acknowledge that MMORPGs change. At its conclusion, you state that the sub model (the crux of this entire debate) is going to remain unchanged (which is incorrect btw, since what you get for the sub price will change false).
Which is it?
Do you really think that Turbine, over time, isn't going to add things into the cash shop that can only be purchased in the cash shop? Maybe they've already stated that they will, I don't know because I don't really care about or keep up with LotrO. Regardless, at some point it will happen, and the people that pay for a sub now (that guarantees them access to all content) will have to pay a sub plus something extra to get all the content. That's what most anti-F2P people are irritated about, and rightly so.
Oh the irony. First you claim that you don't care enough to keep up with LoTRO, then you give your opinion (which is based on conjecture and falsehoods rather than facts) about the change in the game's payment model.
You are assuming a lot. As has already been provided, the subscription model will include everything in game. Nothing will have to be bought except a one-time purchase of xpacks (which is the same as every P2P MMORPG). Also, the subscriber gets 500 Turbine Points free, per month, to use on the Tubine Store. So... subscribers don't have to pay for anything other than the $15/mo (unless they are lifetimers) unless they want even more from the Turbine Store.
The fact that you contradicted yourself in the space of a couple of sentences illustrates what is wrong with the sheeple who defend F2P better than any anti-F2P post ever could. It's so easy for these companies to get you guys on board with all these changes. I don't blame them for striking while the iron is hot. It's just too bad for the rest of us who recognized what an unbeatable value the old flat-rate payment model was.
I never contradicted myself. My statements were correct. You were wrong on your second statement, which is understandable considering you are basing all your information on falsehoods and what-if's rather than facts since you have stated that you don't care enough about LoTRO to keep up with the game.
Change, progress, and naivete though, woo! Onward!
Sheep following the grouping of misinformation. Yay sheep.
I can just see all of these ostriches (with their heads in the sand) in the not so distant future saying "damn I can't believe they took it this far! Oh well, hindsight is 20-20."
Have no fear though my lovely ostriches, many of us will still be around to remind you that you all had your fucking heads in the sand.
You are a funny little man. My head is not in the sand. I'm taking the "wait and see" approach, instead of the "sky is falling" approach. If, after the launch, I feel they "took it too far", then I'll simply cancel my sub. Nothing lost. I enjoy the game as it stands now. If the game changes in a way I don't like, I will simply step away.
I find all this doom and gloom too funny. No one knows what is actually gonna happen. I don't even think Turbine knows for sure. I'm no ostrich, but you sure seem to be a pessimist.
As a consumer, you have a few options.....
A) Do nothing, say nothing, continue to purchase the product until you stop enjoying it.
Stop purchasing the product now because you aren't happy with the direction the company is going.
C) Raise a stink and let the company know that you aren't happy with the direction you percieve the company to be going and that if they are too egregious in the way they institute this change, you'll be taking your business elsewhere.
A - is the equivalent of abdicating your ability as a consumer to influence the direction of the company until it is too late to do anything about it. While they certainly will take notice if you stop paying.... the damage will already have been done by the time that happens. In business, and especialy this business, it is MUCH MUCH harder to put the genie back in the bottle once you've let her out. There is a certain fatal inertia to executive decisions.
B - COULD help influence the companies decisions...however it also hurts you IF you are enjoying the product as it currently stands....You could also be jumping to an uneccsary conclusion about the products direction.
C - Actually is your best bet as a consumer to exert some influence over the products direction while minimizing the negative impact to yourself. While I don't pretend that we can realisticaly force Turbine to reverse this move (I can smell an executive mandate miles away).... raising a big enough stink now...can cause them to be a little bit more circumspect about HOW FAR they take this and how they go about implimenting it.
So if there are things about the move that MIGHT be of concern to you.....don't just sit there.... speak up loud and clear and make sure Turbine hears your concerns and KNOWS that you'll be on the lookout for those things.
Nothing encourages a business to engage in shenanigans more then then the idea it's customers aren't paying attention.
I highlighted the key phrase to your whole theorycrafting post.
Many people are actually using a level head and understand and accept these changes. Especially considering that it will not affect majority of the current subscribers.
Of course, the anti-F2P (even though this is not a true F2P model) and the anti-Turbine crowd are not doing the level-head thing. Instead of actually reading what these changes entail, they are flying off the handle in a nerd rage. Using specious arguments rather than facts. All with the idea to try and influence people towards their biased and misguided side.
You do realize that Turbine had previously swore up and down that LOTRO wouldn't go F2P, even going as far as removing posts from their forums that were predicting or speculating exactly that.
While I will reserve my final judgment on the changes until after things are a bit more concrete, to elude to the fact that you believe things will all be fine and dandy just because Turbine says so, is foolhardy at best. You do realize that the main goal of a business is to show a profit and that businesses want your money. Most businesses these days will tell you whatever they think you want to hear to separate you from your money. Now, I'm not saying that Turbine will try to pull a fast one on everyone and is going to cheat people out of whatever they can. However, Turbine is now owned by Warner Bros and needs to report to those shareholders, not you. Therefore, they are going to do what is in the best interest of those shareholders, not you. If that means adding pricetags on anything they feel will increase profits down the road, they will, without a second thought about what they previously had stated their changes would entail. That sir, is the only issue I have with a company moving to another pricing model.
I just love people who think that they have a clue about what's going on and that big businesses actually care about the customer and making them happy. You sir are the one who is misguided. Take a look around you at the crumbling world economy, most of which has happened due to the corporate greed and corruption of banks and businesses. Let me ask you this. How many of those banks and businesses customers thought they were doing what was in the best interest of the customer? I'm sure 100% of those that gave their life savings to Bernie Madoff believed what he told them and that he cared about their well being, as well. I hope and pray that Turbine and WB have nothing in common with that kind of greed and corruption, but if you think that the change to the F2P model was for any reason other than to improve the companies margin, you are a fool.
Trust no one, especially when your money is at stake. The very rare businesses that truly care about the customer first, stay small while making sacrifices along the way. Businesses that put money first, go big in most cases and/or are sold to larger ones. As the famous quote goes, "don't believe anything you hear and half of what you see". Just because Turbine (or any other company for that matter) states they are doing A. one month. in no way shape or form, means they won't do B. the next. Talk is cheap and actions speak louder than words. Always remember that. Always judge people or businesses by their actions, not by what comes out of their mouths.
MMORPG's change. If you don't like it, you are in the wrong genre of gaming. And, despite your and the anti-F2P and anti-Turbine crowds' incessant use of the coin phrase "F2P", LoTRO's new model is a hybrid version. The subscription portion of the model will be very much there and be very much unchanged.
So, in the first part of that paragraph, you acknowledge that MMORPGs change. At its conclusion, you state that the sub model (the crux of this entire debate) is going to remain unchanged (which is incorrect btw, since what you get for the sub price will change false).
Which is it?
Do you really think that Turbine, over time, isn't going to add things into the cash shop that can only be purchased in the cash shop? Maybe they've already stated that they will, I don't know because I don't really care about or keep up with LotrO. Regardless, at some point it will happen, and the people that pay for a sub now (that guarantees them access to all content) will have to pay a sub plus something extra to get all the content. That's what most anti-F2P people are irritated about, and rightly so.
Oh the irony. First you claim that you don't care enough to keep up with LoTRO, then you give your opinion (which is based on conjecture and falsehoods rather than facts) about the change in the game's payment model.
You are assuming a lot. As has already been provided, the subscription model will include everything in game. Nothing will have to be bought except a one-time purchase of xpacks (which is the same as every P2P MMORPG). Also, the subscriber gets 500 Turbine Points free, per month, to use on the Tubine Store. So... subscribers don't have to pay for anything other than the $15/mo (unless they are lifetimers) unless they want even more from the Turbine Store.
The fact that you contradicted yourself in the space of a couple of sentences illustrates what is wrong with the sheeple who defend F2P better than any anti-F2P post ever could. It's so easy for these companies to get you guys on board with all these changes. I don't blame them for striking while the iron is hot. It's just too bad for the rest of us who recognized what an unbeatable value the old flat-rate payment model was.
I never contradicted myself. My statements were correct. You were wrong on your second statement, which is understandable considering you are basing all your information on falsehoods and what-if's rather than facts since you have stated that you don't care enough about LoTRO to keep up with the game.
Change, progress, and naivete though, woo! Onward!
Sheep following the grouping of misinformation. Yay sheep.
Vato, see my earlier post for more, but I must ask. Do you believe everything that is spoon-fed to you? Open your mind and think for yourself.
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No the sky isn't falling dear, and there is no doom on the way. What's going to happen is one of two things:
1) You'll end up leaving the genre in disgust, eventually.
2) Your wallet will be much lighter.
Taking a wait-and-see approach with changes such as this is very unwise. You don't have to be afraid (that goes for all of you ostriches), you just have to use your head. Sometimes sitting idly and saying "ahhh we'll just sit back and wait to see how it all turns out" is not the right thing to do. Basically don't be so quick to bend over, this is not the time.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
As a consumer, you have a few options.....
A) Do nothing, say nothing, continue to purchase the product until you stop enjoying it.
C) Raise a stink and let the company know that you aren't happy with the direction you percieve the company to be going and that if they are too egregious in the way they institute this change, you'll be taking your business elsewhere.
A - is the equivalent of abdicating your ability as a consumer to influence the direction of the company until it is too late to do anything about it. While they certainly will take notice if you stop paying.... the damage will already have been done by the time that happens. In business, and especialy this business, it is MUCH MUCH harder to put the genie back in the bottle once you've let her out. There is a certain fatal inertia to executive decisions.
B - COULD help influence the companies decisions...however it also hurts you IF you are enjoying the product as it currently stands....You could also be jumping to an uneccsary conclusion about the products direction.
C - Actually is your best bet as a consumer to exert some influence over the products direction while minimizing the negative impact to yourself. While I don't pretend that we can realisticaly force Turbine to reverse this move (I can smell an executive mandate miles away).... raising a big enough stink now...can cause them to be a little bit more circumspect about HOW FAR they take this and how they go about implimenting it.
So if there are things about the move that MIGHT be of concern to you.....don't just sit there.... speak up loud and clear and make sure Turbine hears your concerns and KNOWS that you'll be on the lookout for those things.
Nothing encourages a business to engage in shenanigans more then then the idea it's customers aren't paying attention.
Do you have some sort of certifiable crystal ball that's allowing you to make those predictions? Or, is it just more wishful thinking and fearmongering on your part? I'm voting for the later.
In this case, I do think it is the right thing to do. I'm definitely not afraid, like the pessimists and the "sky is falling" mentality. So, my change purse may be a bit lighter. If that's the only bad thing to happen, I'm OK with that. I currently play 3 p2p mmo's. If I loose one, then that's OK. There are a bunch more on the horizon. So, I loose NOTHING by taking the "wait and see" mentality.
Like I stated earlier, I am no ostrich. My head is firmly planted on my shoulders. I enjoy playing the game now. If I don't after the launch, I simply unsubscribe. Again, I loose NOTHING. While you loose your voice running around in circles screaming, "The sky is falling. The sky is falling!"....lol
I highlighted the key phrase to your whole theorycrafting post.
Many people are actually using a level head and understand and accept these changes. Especially considering that it will not affect majority of the current subscribers.
Of course, the anti-F2P (even though this is not a true F2P model) and the anti-Turbine crowd are not doing the level-head thing. Instead of actually reading what these changes entail, they are flying off the handle in a nerd rage. Using specious arguments rather than facts. All with the idea to try and influence people towards their biased and misguided side.
No offense, but the marketing guys must love you if you take everything they present at face value. There are no "facts" yet for you to operate off of... There is the "spin" that Turbines PR folks are putting out...and then there is some conjecture that the rest of us are engaged in. Yes Turbine is trying to spin it that "nothing will change" for existing subscribers and that it will be a good thing (tm) for the game as a whole....what would you expect them to say?
I also remember hearing from some of those very same people that LOTRO would never have overt magic in it (hello Rune-Keepers) and that there were absolutely no plans to go Free 2 Play (as little as 3 months ago).
The only "fact" here is that neither you nor I have the first clue about what they truely are going to try to impliment in the long term or just how it will effect your game play. Probably Turbine doesn't even have that fully formed in thier own mind yet either.
Regardless, the best way to ASSURE that your worst nightmare will come true is to sit back and do nothing. If you don't believe that the sort of exec's who work over at WB WILL try to rip the shirt right of you back if they think they can get way with it.... you are being extremely naive.
Best yet...if I'm wrong....and all this is needless paranoia....then the only thing I've lost is about 10 minutes of typing posts. No harm, no foul..... If your wrong, you'll sit blithely by and do nothing while they destroy your game. Good luck with that approach.
c) This is a buisness model, nothing to do with the game as such or its population(apart from its future population ofc). Its like Flatrates, they just work, doesnt matter if its about phone service, internet service or all you can eat in a restaurant.
d) Long term viability of MMOs is shit anyway, thats why we get companies like cryptic practically living from just the initial sales of their MMOs. Yeah we get it, it works for blizzard, but take a look at the other 200 something MMOs on this site. Or in other words, would you actually invest MONEY into an upcoming MMO expecting some kind of return?
e) The move was made because WB wanted it, not the other way around. DDO was busy overshadowing LoTRO, which is another reason actual players of the game are feeling even a bit of allevation over it.
f) The model has worked countless times, microtransactions are on the rise, there can be no doubt about that. Is there even a single P2P mmo that went F2P and had to be shut down? And some of them are really shitty and still seem to atleast play in the hardware costs and maintenace crews.
g) Ever though about doing a latenight show, i mean you got the jokes and the charisma for it
h) There is always something unknown going on behind the scenes, and we always get the distilled and prettied up version, thats life.
Just because some executive somewhere made an error doesnt mean every management decision is suddenly being wrong. Thats like saying hitler got voted into his position democratically, so now every democratically voted guy is going to pull the next holocaust + WW. Those highly paid and placed executive get to call the shots because they are right most of the time, nobody can be right all the time. But you know what? You can do a thousand right decisions in your buisness, but people will always recall you over the one decision where you have been wrong and failed miserably.
No crystal ball I'm afraid, just foresight and common sense. Very valuable tools that you should also have as an adult.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
This is what I've been trying to say all along. (in red) No one knows what is going to happen, I don't even think Turbine knows for sure. All we can do is wait and see. All this doom and gloom by the pessimistic few is absolutely hysterical. What's with trhe worst nightmare crap? It's a game. If it causes you nightmares...QUIT! I think this is needless paranoia anyway. If the game changes and I'm dissatisfied, then I'll unsubscribe.
Some pessimist screaming in circles that the "Sky is falling!" Is great entertainment til the launch, though...so, um...Thanks.
In this thread, there is alot of:
No! My life is ruined!
Now all the other kids in school will make fun of me and i'll never be cool again. It's all your fault!
I hate you, I hate you, I hate you!
*slams door*
Then... in a few days they come back asking for some money to go to the mall.
Nah .. i will be having fun in the genre without paying a dime. Just like what i did with DDO.
LOL, precisely
best post ever 
You could add that there are also a few "adults", trying to explain these children how these things do not make or break their lives, and how they can live without it... but some just keep yelling a crying
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
Hmm... then your definition of "foresight and common sense" must be drastically different from the proper definition. All I see you doing is paranoia and fearmongering.
i completely agree, i WILL not play a F2P game ever because i never want to be limited to what i can do because i can't afford it. And people that say it doesnt kill the community... thats bullshit DDO had a roleplaying community now its a joke and dont even try to say it's not. They have more money now but at the dispense of their loyal players.
Gj turbine you just took your first step into the dark side
Hello folks. Been a lurker for quite sometime and also a subscriber to LOTRO, off and on, since launch. The F2P announcement and the applause from a lot of the "future fans" of the game has me curious. I personally have informed my Kin that I will be leaving the game as soon as my current 3 month sub has finished and I am not alone all though most are taking a wait and see attitude. Since the launch of the Mirkwood xpac I have seen many posts here and other websites that it was about half an xpac and more of a large patch, and I agree with that opinion. From what ive been reading lately the upcoming xpac will also contain a small area about the size of Mirkwood. IMO Turbine is doing this to make it possible to purchase a little content at a time from the cash shop and could care less about the lack of new content for the paying subscriber. Im curious as to how much grind the new area will contain as I expect it to be very high in grind with of course plenty of potions or tomes to alleviate this grind in the Cash Shop. Yes, im curious, but not curious enough to continue playing the game. I have heard it said that for everyone of us who leavel 10 will take our place and that may be true but will the 10 spend enough money to make up for my sub plus the bandwith the extra 9 will be using? It remains to be seen. I will read about it here and other places I am sure. Just my thoughts on this topic.
WOW isnt great because it has 12 million players. WOW has 12 million players because its great.
So, in the first part of that paragraph, you acknowledge that MMORPGs change. At its conclusion, you state that the sub model (the crux of this entire debate) is going to remain unchanged (which is incorrect btw, since what you get for the sub price will change).
Which is it?
Do you really think that Turbine, over time, isn't going to add things into the cash shop that can only be purchased in the cash shop? Maybe they've already stated that they will, I don't know because I don't really care about or keep up with LotrO. Regardless, at some point it will happen, and the people that pay for a sub now (that guarantees them access to all content) will have to pay a sub plus something extra to get all the content. That's what most anti-F2P people are irritated about, and rightly so.
The fact that you contradicted yourself in the space of a couple of sentences illustrates what is wrong with the sheeple who defend F2P better than any anti-F2P post ever could. It's so easy for these companies to get you guys on board with all these changes. I don't blame them for striking while the iron is hot. It's just too bad for the rest of us who recognized what an unbeatable value the old flat-rate payment model was.
Change, progress, and naivete though, woo! Onward!
Umm. The email I recieved from Turbine states that LOTRO is going F2P. So what is it then? F2P or not? Is Turbine lieing aobut what the game actually is or do a few people refuse to admit what it is to keep people paying a sub so they can play for free? I enjoyed the ostrich reference someone here made, its very fitting.
WOW isnt great because it has 12 million players. WOW has 12 million players because its great.
Dude, you start off on these forums with demolishing even a hint of your credibility, by first announcing that you have "already quit", and THEN actually start asking about what the new F2P model introduction means.
Seriously, was this really worth it?
Excuse me if I voice my concern that you sound like a second account of a regular known doomyeller on these boards.
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
No Dude, I have not said I already quit. I said I was leaving the game after my three month sub runs out. The blinders you use to read about all the good things Turbine is doing for its players should perhaps be removed while reading posts on other web sites.
WOW isnt great because it has 12 million players. WOW has 12 million players because its great.
Semantics. A prepaid sub of course only runs out after a certain amount of time. The decision you made has already been done, therefore you already know you quit.
This is not the point anyway. The point is, that you have made this decision based on utter ignorance about how things will (NOT) change for active subscribers.
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
You do realize that Turbine had previously swore up and down that LOTRO wouldn't go F2P, even going as far as removing posts from their forums that were predicting or speculating exactly that.
While I will reserve my final judgment on the changes until after things are a bit more concrete, to elude to the fact that you believe things will all be fine and dandy just because Turbine says so, is foolhardy at best. You do realize that the main goal of a business is to show a profit and that businesses want your money. Most businesses these days will tell you whatever they think you want to hear to separate you from your money. Now, I'm not saying that Turbine will try to pull a fast one on everyone and is going to cheat people out of whatever they can. However, Turbine is now owned by Warner Bros and needs to report to those shareholders, not you. Therefore, they are going to do what is in the best interest of those shareholders, not you. If that means adding pricetags on anything they feel will increase profits down the road, they will, without a second thought about what they previously had stated their changes would entail. That sir, is the only issue I have with a company moving to another pricing model.
I just love people who think that they have a clue about what's going on and that big businesses actually care about the customer and making them happy. You sir are the one who is misguided. Take a look around you at the crumbling world economy, most of which has happened due to the corporate greed and corruption of banks and businesses. Let me ask you this. How many of those banks and businesses customers thought they were doing what was in the best interest of the customer? I'm sure 100% of those that gave their life savings to Bernie Madoff believed what he told them and that he cared about their well being, as well. I hope and pray that Turbine and WB have nothing in common with that kind of greed and corruption, but if you think that the change to the F2P model was for any reason other than to improve the companies margin, you are a fool.
Trust no one, especially when your money is at stake. The very rare businesses that truly care about the customer first, stay small while making sacrifices along the way. Businesses that put money first, go big in most cases and/or are sold to larger ones. As the famous quote goes, "don't believe anything you hear and half of what you see". Just because Turbine (or any other company for that matter) states they are doing A. one month. in no way shape or form, means they won't do B. the next. Talk is cheap and actions speak louder than words. Always remember that. Always judge people or businesses by their actions, not by what comes out of their mouths.
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Vato, see my earlier post for more, but I must ask. Do you believe everything that is spoon-fed to you? Open your mind and think for yourself.
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