Fighting for your life, and that thrill of not knowing when you might die or get ambushed is what it is all about
It brings a challenge to the game. It is the spice of MMO life.
Do I enjoy killing people who are a lower level than me? Nah.
I just see it as more of a... friendly reminder that yes, this is a PvP zone. You need to be alert at all times.
Please enjoy the rest of the game, and I look forward to meeting you again, once you've leveled up a bit.
My name is Dirk.
and i'm a PvPer.
I call Bullsh*t.
First you trot out the tired fight for your life stuff. Then you say "friendly reminder" like you are doing someone a favor.
Nah, you are just stroking your epeen, telling everyone how badass you are because you are a PvPer and trying to find others to agree with you.
Also, you are just itching for someone like me to come along so you can call me a QQing carebear and once again prove how tough you are. Problem with that? How do you know I am not a PvPer who is just tired of all the whiny little wimps who have to brag about supposed skill to cover for the fact that they have no power IRL or in a game?
No offense, but this is precisely the response that leads me to continue ganking everything that moves. I kill with indiscretion. If you're 20 levels higher I'll try to kill you. If you're 20 levels lower I'm going to kill you. It doesn't matter. All that matters is I know someone probably just raged, and nothing makes me laugh more than someone losing their shit because they got killed in a video game.
People that play an MMO with world enabled PVP should know what they're in for. Personally, I think it injects some fun into the boringness that is collecting 10 bear asses for random NPC #13.
Fighting for your life, and that thrill of not knowing when you might die or get ambushed is what it is all about
It brings a challenge to the game. It is the spice of MMO life.
Do I enjoy killing people who are a lower level than me? Nah.
I just see it as more of a... friendly reminder that yes, this is a PvP zone. You need to be alert at all times.
Please enjoy the rest of the game, and I look forward to meeting you again, once you've leveled up a bit.
My name is Dirk.
and i'm a PvPer.
I call Bullsh*t.
First you trot out the tired fight for your life stuff. Then you say "friendly reminder" like you are doing someone a favor.
Nah, you are just stroking your epeen, telling everyone how badass you are because you are a PvPer and trying to find others to agree with you.
Also, you are just itching for someone like me to come along so you can call me a QQing carebear and once again prove how tough you are. Problem with that? How do you know I am not a PvPer who is just tired of all the whiny little wimps who have to brag about supposed skill to cover for the fact that they have no power IRL or in a game?
No offense, but this is precisely the response that leads me to continue ganking everything that moves. I kill with indiscretion. If you're low life, and/or i´m with 5 friends I'll try to kill you. If you're 20 levels lower I'm going to kill you. It doesn't matter. All that matters is I know someone probably just raged, and nothing makes me laugh more than someone losing their shit because they got killed in a video game.
People that play an MMO with world enabled PVP should know what they're in for. Personally, I think it injects some fun into the boringness that is collecting 10 bear asses for random NPC #13.
Reality CHECK.
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For me, I don;t even really think about it much either way. Whether I am being killed or doing the killing, I have only one real purpose in playing massively multiplayer games, and that is to kill EVERYONE I see in game. Hell, I leave the loot to disappear and grab supplies to make me last longer just so I do not have to stop. To me, it is about cranking up the music and " Kill 'em all". High lv - low lvl doesn;t really matter to me. If your there, I am going to fight you unless you give me a reason not to.. I mean I have stopped killing someone because they made me laugh, it isn;t like I am completely inhuman. I refused to kill one guy just because he told me to.- but I am stubborn that way.
I respect those who defeat me, and those who put up a good fight as well. I really don;t get the cry babies who care so much for their little pixelated toons who start swearing at you and go all emo over a simple fight. If you are in a PVP area, you should expect to die.
I prefer the chaos anything goes winner takes all battles. Multiplayer/ singler player combat really doesn;t matter to me, I love it when I can solo kill an entire guild in a multi zone.. just makes winning all the better.
I don;t get the people who go so emotional over winning and losing, I would prefer to train soley on players and never interact with an NPC in game at all. Yes, that means getting killed ALOT before I ever get better. All the early dying in game should just be considered a learning experience.
Oh yea, if you start throwing a swearing fit, you should be spawn camped and killed before you can type another word.
As for these guys who think that it is a epeen guy thing, most of the most ruthless people I have encountered on the battlefield are women, and we do it for fun, not to hurt anyone's feelings. It is fun to just " kill them all" for no other reason than for cheap thrills, chilling and relaxing.
It really is that simple.. I think the people with the psychological issues are those that take it too seriously, and try to look at it as something more than it is. Those people are the ones that should get some counseling.. and some time away from their characters if they are really that attached to them, that it upsets them enough to become so emotional over it.
Fighting for your life, and that thrill of not knowing when you might die or get ambushed is what it is all about
It brings a challenge to the game. It is the spice of MMO life.
Do I enjoy killing people who are a lower level than me? Nah.
I just see it as more of a... friendly reminder that yes, this is a PvP zone. You need to be alert at all times.
Please enjoy the rest of the game, and I look forward to meeting you again, once you've leveled up a bit.
My name is Dirk.
and i'm a PvPer.
I call Bullsh*t.
First you trot out the tired fight for your life stuff. Then you say "friendly reminder" like you are doing someone a favor.
Nah, you are just stroking your epeen, telling everyone how badass you are because you are a PvPer and trying to find others to agree with you.
Also, you are just itching for someone like me to come along so you can call me a QQing carebear and once again prove how tough you are. Problem with that? How do you know I am not a PvPer who is just tired of all the whiny little wimps who have to brag about supposed skill to cover for the fact that they have no power IRL or in a game?
No offense, but this is precisely the response that leads me to continue ganking everything that moves. I kill with indiscretion. If you're low life, and/or i´m with 5 friends I'll try to kill you. If you're 20 levels lower I'm going to kill you. It doesn't matter. All that matters is I know someone probably just raged, and nothing makes me laugh more than someone losing their shit because they got killed in a video game.
People that play an MMO with world enabled PVP should know what they're in for. Personally, I think it injects some fun into the boringness that is collecting 10 bear asses for random NPC #13.
Reality CHECK.
Show us on the doll where the bad ganker touched you.
And with a bit of luck, their gaming experience was ruined forever. Always wondering what rogue lurked behind each and every bush, having thrills they would never know with men in red woolen shirts. RIP Dr. Gonzo
So you're leveling up on your own, or perhaps just sitting idly somewhere, chatting with a friend, when suddenly it happens. Out of nowhere, someone who is much, much higher level than you strolls up to you and kills you with little effort.
Your heart sinks. You stare at the monitor as your jaw opens in disbelief. Perhaps you even get angry. You just got ganked.
Hi, I was that guy. I just killed you.
Now, please, don't take it personally. I don't really know you, nor do I hold a grudge of any sort against you. You just happened to be in my line of sight, and are part of the opposing faction. (unless this is an open pvp world, then.. you were just unlucky.)
No, I didn't stalk you. This wasn't some elaborate plot against you. You just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Its just business.
Now that you're dead, feel free to rez without being harassed. Your body will remain where it was, and i'll be long gone. I believe that corpse camping and spawn killing are the lowest, most cowardly forms of PvP. But, if I happen to see you again up the road.. then you might want to run. Nah, I won't chase you. But, if you're in my way, then yes, you're dead.
Fighting for your life, and that thrill of not knowing when you might die or get ambushed is what it is all about
It brings a challenge to the game. It is the spice of MMO life.
Do I enjoy killing people who are a lower level than me? Nah.
I just see it as more of a... friendly reminder that yes, this is a PvP zone. You need to be alert at all times.
Please enjoy the rest of the game, and I look forward to meeting you again, once you've leveled up a bit.
My name is Dirk.
and i'm a PvPer.
Guys like you are something that makes PvP servers in WoW fun and interesting. Personally, when I play on a PvP server, I am saying that I am not only open to having my ass handed to me by a higher-level player but also that I am very willing to do the same to a lower-level player. This is something that, as you rightly point out, brings challenge and spice to the game and even though I don't think that it is appropriate for some games because of their game dynamics (Final Fantasy XI, for example) it is something that should be a part of many MMORPGs. Now, how it is implemented is a whole other story but PvP and the chance to PvP is incredibly fun. After all, you know that it isn't some sort of AI-controlled monster that you brought down but another player and that's a small rush. It's also fun to pop people sitting just outside an Outpost who are AFK.
That said, there are plenty of people that ruin PvP by camping and causing unnecessary grief to another player. If I'm in a zone with another player and they keep crossing my path I'll likely take them out over and over again, but I'm not following them and I'm not waiting for them to show up. This is what I think that many PvP players do but, unfortunately, there are just too many that enjoy griefing to make PvP something that a lauded feature in games. Yes, some people are 'carebears' but I honestly think most PvE-centric players are up for the PvP challenge and simply don't want to be griefed.
That said, nice post Dirk.
(1)TL:DR must be your way of saying that thinking hurts. Then again, this may explain why it looks like you responded to the post without using your brain. (2) It's not about community, is it? You just have nothing better to do.
So you're leveling up on your own, or perhaps just sitting idly somewhere, chatting with a friend, when suddenly it happens. Out of nowhere, someone who is much, much higher level than you strolls up to you and kills you with little effort.
Your heart sinks. You stare at the monitor as your jaw opens in disbelief. Perhaps you even get angry. You just got ganked.
Hi, I was that guy. I just killed you.
Now, please, don't take it personally. I don't really know you, nor do I hold a grudge of any sort against you. You just happened to be in my line of sight, and are part of the opposing faction. (unless this is an open pvp world, then.. you were just unlucky.)
No, I didn't stalk you. This wasn't some elaborate plot against you. You just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Its just business.
Now that you're dead, feel free to rez without being harassed. Your body will remain where it was, and i'll be long gone. I believe that corpse camping and spawn killing are the lowest, most cowardly forms of PvP. But, if I happen to see you again up the road.. then you might want to run. Nah, I won't chase you. But, if you're in my way, then yes, you're dead.
Fighting for your life, and that thrill of not knowing when you might die or get ambushed is what it is all about
It brings a challenge to the game. It is the spice of MMO life.
Do I enjoy killing people who are a lower level than me? Nah.
I just see it as more of a... friendly reminder that yes, this is a PvP zone. You need to be alert at all times.
Please enjoy the rest of the game, and I look forward to meeting you again, once you've leveled up a bit.
My name is Dirk.
and i'm a PvPer.
So many posts in this thread I didn't read them all (Sorry guys) but bottom line is your Title and post is completely flawed.
PvPers fight for the challenge and competition. Gankers do it for the easy loot and lolz (Also can be read as ego boost). A PvPer will fight 1 v 1 and 1 vs 2 fights without running because they have a chance at winning. Gankers flee even or close to even fights. They pick targets that they out match (Such as being 10-20 levels higher etc.) or out number.
Don't lump me in with your lot lol. I'm a PvPer.... you're a ganker. We are about as similar as winter and summer. We have some small things in common but they are few. Winter and Summer are both seasons, but thats about it on similarities. PvPers and Gankers both fight other players but thats about it on similarities.
Ah but its not, not really, to some folks it is a morality play where people get to show their "true" natures.
Some gamers bring their morals into MMORPG's and try to live by a code of honor regarding all aspects of the game, whether it be in combat, social interaction, or commerce.
Other players don't of course, they have different goals when they play, such as yours where you kill for the "fun" or thrill of it, or some other folks decide to scam other players on the market because after all, its just a game.
We all approach these games a bit differently. For those who treat them as virtual worlds there's a bit more at stake than just random ganking or gaming, and they'll take things a bit more personal.
I don't enjoy ganking or being ganked, yet I regularly play on PVP servers mostly to make the PVE activities I do a bit more exciting. I don't rage over being ganked however, I just move on and try to avoid conflict when possible, and when not, try to resolve the issue another way. (usually by making sure I bring 5 friends to make sure I win and win big)
I'm not interested so much in fair fights or honorable combat by the way, I figure in a PVP fight there's two sorts of people, winners and everyone else.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
:WELP: OP made a thread about pvp in WoW and called himself a PvPer... IN WOW muahahaha :WELP:
thats like calling yourself an olympic champion in running... IN SPECIAL OLYMPICS xDDD muahahaha
srsly though, pvpers dont make silly threads about ganking newbies (btw i never touch newbies in games like wow, but im playing EVE so anyone not blue is getting killed by me if i can kill it)
so bottomline: grow a pair and find a real pvp game
Originally posted by GTwander Originally posted by uquipu Billy the Kid was ganked. His ganker sat on billy's bed in a dark room and waited for him to come home. When he did come home, he was shot. . His ganker was pat garret. Pat Garrot was ganked as he was relieving himself at the side of the road. . Wild Bill Hickok was shot in the back of the head at close range as he was playing cards. Same with Jesse James only Jesse James was trying to hang a picture on a wall. . etc
"The History of the Gank" They need a vid to exemplify this.
:WELP: OP made a thread about pvp in WoW and called himself a PvPer... IN WOW muahahaha :WELP:
thats like calling yourself an olympic champion in running... IN SPECIAL OLYMPICS xDDD muahahaha
srsly though, pvpers dont make silly threads about ganking newbies (btw i never touch newbies in games like wow, but im playing EVE so anyone not blue is getting killed by me if i can kill it)
so bottomline: grow a pair and find a real pvp game
Can you link to where he said it was WOW and not EVE or some other MMO?
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That's why I like RvR. Although I might of technically been "ganked" I never felt like that in DAoC.
Yes, you could walk into the Frontier where PvP was allowed, and if you weren't max level, you could be one shotted from a distance, and never even see the high level that killed you.
But you knew that when you went into the Frontier.
This is the scenario I would not find fun. Hey guys, anyone working on thier XQ armor quest? Ok, join our group!
So you join, and half way through, your party members kill you when you hit points are down.
I wouldn't find that added any spice or excitement to the game, just being annoyed.
Becaus in real life you'd have your pansy ass handed to you, but in the game you can be a "bad ass pvper".
That's why you gank.
Eyes, your lack of understanding of the design of the game does not constitute psychological issues on Dirk's part.
The design of the game capitalizes on the psychological issues. Eyes understands the design very well.
Bingo. In even the most PVP-centric games, it's still illegal to kill people. They generally have the instadeath guards there or some form of prison. So saying the game was "designed" that way is a silly argument. Yes, you CAN kill people, but just like in real life, that doesn't make it a good idea.
Back in the days of Motor City Online, people who were losing would often turn around and drive backwards thru the circuit, trying to meet the other players and ram them. The "design of the game allows you to do that, so it must be ok". Right...
Sure the guards aren't out in the wilderness. The police don't generally hang out in the middle of the woods at night in RL, either. The fact that they AREN'T doesn't make it OK to kill someone out in the woods. To do so obviously denotes psychopathic behavior.
I've got nothing against PvP'ers. The reason that is is that I think PVP and ganking are 2 different things. True PvP'ers are seeking a competitive human challenge. Competition is in their blood; where there is no competition, they leave. Gankers are seeking a victim. And since they're doing it in an MMO, I tend to think that in RL they spent most of their time being the victim.
That the OP had to kill a lowbie "in his way" in a game where all you have to do is jump over them or god forbid strafe for a few seconds is just friggin' absurd. Truth can be found by reading between the lines: "All you lowbies, run in fear, or I'll cut you down!"...
Pathetic. Clearly a sign of someone who feels impotent and insignificant in real life.
"I don't cheat..." LOL!!! All this reminds me of that stand up bit from Chris Rock:
"I take care of my kids"- YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO YOU DUMBMOTHAF@#$A!
"I've never been to jail"- WHAT YOU WANT, A COOKIE?
PvPers fight for the challenge and competition. Gankers do it for the easy loot and lolz (Also can be read as ego boost). A PvPer will fight 1 v 1 and 1 vs 2 fights without running because they have a chance at winning. Gankers flee even or close to even fights. They pick targets that they out match (Such as being 10-20 levels higher etc.) or out number.
Don't lump me in with your lot lol. I'm a PvPer.... you're a ganker. We are about as similar as winter and summer. We have some small things in common but they are few. Winter and Summer are both seasons, but thats about it on similarities. PvPers and Gankers both fight other players but thats about it on similarities.
Bingo. In even the most PVP-centric games, it's still illegal to kill people. They generally have the instadeath guards there or some form of prison. So saying the game was "designed" that way is a silly argument. Yes, you CAN kill people, but just like in real life, that doesn't make it a good idea.
Back in the days of Motor City Online, people who were losing would often turn around and drive backwards thru the circuit, trying to meet the other players and ram them. The "design of the game allows you to do that, so it must be ok". Right...
Sure the guards aren't out in the wilderness. The police don't generally hang out in the middle of the woods at night in RL, either. The fact that they AREN'T doesn't make it OK to kill someone out in the woods. To do so obviously denotes psychopathic behavior.
I've got nothing against PvP'ers. The reason that is is that I think PVP and ganking are 2 different things. True PvP'ers are seeking a competitive human challenge. Competition is in their blood; where there is no competition, they leave. Gankers are seeking a victim. And since they're doing it in an MMO, I tend to think that in RL they spent most of their time being the victim.
That the OP had to kill a lowbie "in his way" in a game where all you have to do is jump over them or god forbid strafe for a few seconds is just friggin' absurd. Truth can be found by reading between the lines: "All you lowbies, run in fear, or I'll cut you down!"...
Pathetic. Clearly a sign of someone who feels impotent and insignificant in real life.
"I don't cheat..." LOL!!! All this reminds me of that stand up bit from Chris Rock:
"I take care of my kids"- YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO YOU DUMBMOTHAF@#$A!
"I've never been to jail"- WHAT YOU WANT, A COOKIE?
Again, as I stated earlier in this thread, ganking does not equal griefing lowbies. Ganking is simply the act of ambushing another player (nothing at all wrong with that), and griefing is harassment of others (something that needs to not be in MMOs). In some games, hell in MOST PvP games, killing other players is worthwhile. The games are usually developed so that players WILL go out and look for other players to fight. Your argument of "saying a game is developed that way is silly", is wrong. WoW, you get faction, Warhammer, you get Renown as well as getting PvP gear, as well as other games that have those systems. To say that killing other players in those games is bad or "psychotic" is silly.
As long as games have systems put in place so you can't go out and kill lowbies, the better the game will be. That way, everyone's on somewhat equal ground and can actually stand a chance against someone when out solo roaming.
I do agree though that going out of your way to kill lowbies or even running into one and killing them anyway is sad, but oh well. Players will do what they want, it's up to the devvelopers to create systems to combat that and help put everyone into a somewhat equal level. All the FFA PvPers are the ones that you want to look out for. They're usually the ones killing lowbies, looting their corpses, and pretty much destroying any chance of their games to grow, hence why Darkfall and MO aren't doing so well. Put checks and balances in, and we can all have fun in PvP centered games.
Again, as I stated earlier in this thread, ganking does not equal griefing lowbies. Ganking is simply the act of ambushing another player (nothing at all wrong with that),
And somebody already presented the definition of ganking, which is NOT what you say it is. Ganking is ganking. Ambushing another player is ambushing another player. You can't fault a lvl 60 rogue from sneaking up on and backstabbing a lvl 60 fighter, for example. However, you can fault a level 60 rogue for GANKING a lvl 20 fighter.
and griefing is harassment of others (something that needs to not be in MMOs). In some games, hell in MOST PvP games, killing other players is worthwhile. The games are usually developed so that players WILL go out and look for other players to fight. Your argument of "saying a game is developed that way is silly", is wrong. WoW, you get faction, Warhammer, you get Renown as well as getting PvP gear, as well as other games that have those systems. To say that killing other players in those games is bad or "psychotic" is silly.
Sure... if you take what I said out of the context of the THREAD(and the rest of the post) it was responding to, it's silly. All those examples you give, by the way, do NOT reward a player if their oppenent is vastly outclassed. I'll state again, from the thread you quoted: PvP and Ganking are 2 DIFFERENT THINGS done by 2 DIFFERENT TYPES OF PEOPLE. Faction and Reknown are only given to people who challenge others of equal or competitive level. Those systems quite obviously encourage PvP and discourage ganking. That folks like the OP gank DESPITE these systems should tell you something about the social nature of gankers.
As long as games have systems put in place so you can't go out and kill lowbies, the better the game will be. That way, everyone's on somewhat equal ground and can actually stand a chance against someone when out solo roaming.
In that, we agree.
I do agree though that going out of your way to kill lowbies or even running into one and killing them anyway is sad, but oh well. Players will do what they want, it's up to the devvelopers to create systems to combat that and help put everyone into a somewhat equal level. All the FFA PvPers are the ones that you want to look out for. They're usually the ones killing lowbies, looting their corpses, and pretty much destroying any chance of their games to grow, hence why Darkfall and MO aren't doing so well. Put checks and balances in, and we can all have fun in PvP centered games.
Sure... but I don't quite agree with, to paraphrase... "so some people gank... boys will be boys." No, Gankers are douchebags. They are one step above griefers and 2 steps below politicians. And somebody who'd just as soon kill another player because they just happen to be standing there has social issues. Sure, it's largely up to devs to build systems to discourage it, but in the meantime, that doesn't mean we shouldn't call em as we see em.
You're sitting in your car, going in endless circles at the local shopping mall trying to find a parking spot. Off in the distance you see a shopper walking towards their car which means that your search for an available spot might finally come to an end. Then suddenly... out from nowhere, someone with a much larger vehicle than yours passes around you to occupy the spot with little effort.
Your heart sinks, you stare at the prick who just took your spot with disbelief. Perhaps you get angry. You got F$%&ed.
Hi, I'm the prick who just took your parking spot.
Now please, don't take it personally. I don't really know you, nor do I hold a grudge of any sort against you. You just happened to not park your car fast enough, and have a much smaller vehicle than mine.
No, I didn't stalk you. This wasn't some elaborate plot against you. You just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Its just business.
Hi, I'm the guy who ran over you over while I was drunk.
Now, please, don't take it personally. I don't really know you, nor do I hold a grudge of any sort against you. You just happened to be in your living room where my car crashed through your house.
No, I didn't stalk you. This wasn't some elaborate plot against you. You just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Its just business; I had to get my Jagermeister on.
You're sitting in your car, going in endless circles at the local shopping mall trying to find a parking spot. Off in the distance you see a shopper walking towards their car which means that your search for an available spot might finally come to an end. Then suddenly... out from nowhere, someone with a much larger vehicle than yours passes around you to occupy the spot with little effort.
Your heart sinks, you stare at the prick who just took your spot with disbelief. Perhaps you get angry. You got F$%&ed.
Hi, I'm the prick who just took your parking spot.
Now please, don't take it personally. I don't really know you, nor do I hold a grudge of any sort against you. You just happened to not park your car fast enough, and have a much smaller vehicle than mine.
No, I didn't stalk you. This wasn't some elaborate plot against you. You just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Its just business.
Hi, I'm the guy who ran over you over while I was drunk.
Now, please, don't take it personally. I don't really know you, nor do I hold a grudge of any sort against you. You just happened to be in your living room where my car crashed through your house.
No, I didn't stalk you. This wasn't some elaborate plot against you. You just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Its just business; I had to get my Jagermeister on.
I luv runnin' with it...
oh ffs will you guys stop crying? There will always be gankers in pvp servers. You have to deal with it. Is just a game, you will not die for real so stop comparing it to real life examples.
And somebody already presented the definition of ganking, which is NOT what you say it is. Ganking is ganking. Ambushing another player is ambushing another player. You can't fault a lvl 60 rogue from sneaking up on and backstabbing a lvl 60 fighter, for example. However, you can fault a level 60 rogue for GANKING a lvl 20 fighter.
When I use the term gank in an MMO, I mean it in the context of the third definition.
Really, the definition of Ganking can mean very different things. It's all about who's saying it really. That said, we do agree on most every point in our posts, but the reality is that gankers will gank, and griefers will grief. There's nothing anyone can do about it either, which was the point I was trying to get across. I think the OP is a bit crazy with his whole, "I'll kill ANY player that might be standing there, because I can" mentality, but hey, he's paying his monthly fee like the rest of us.
If the game allows high level players to kill lowbies, either tough it out to get higher level and go around hunting lowbie killers (which is alot of fun btw), or find another game that's a bit more balanced overall towards PvP.
I've heard very good arguments and comments from both sides in this thread, and I must thank you all for expressing all your opinions on the matter!
Although I know most PvP-centric threads tend to burst into flames, i'm glad to see that at least in this one, people have kept rather level headed, aside from the obligatory trolling, cynicysm, and personal attacks you tend to see in nearly every other thread in this forum. I've actually laughed out loud at a few of these! Psycological problems indeed. xD
Its interesting to see how people react once they're faced with 'that guy' from their gaming experiences. I suppose people will always equate what happens inside a game with what is going on in the real world. There must be genuinley something wrong with that guy who struck down your character! He wouldn't dare do that to me in real life!
Of course I wouldn't.
In real life, I like to think that i'm actually a pretty easygoing, friendly fellow. Heck, we would probably even be friends! (..or not who knows?)
But I believe people tend to forget that what goes on within a game is just that. A game. Does it excuse me from being 'that guy'? Absolutley not, and i'm not trying to justify what I do as right or wrong. Within the gaming world, i'll be the first to admit that yes, I 'am' a complete jerk. I 'am' that douchebag. I 'do' kill and fight and battle and do all of those things that i'd never actually do in real life. But all within a fantasy setting.
When i'm playing, I don't think of you as 'some guy or girl behind a keyboard'. I only see the digital representation of you on my screen. So as I said, please don't take it personally.
Again, I appreciate every reply and response within this thread. ^_^
Hi, I'm the guy who ran over you over while I was drunk.
Now, please, don't take it personally. I don't really know you, nor do I hold a grudge of any sort against you. You just happened to be in your living room where my car crashed through your house.
No, I didn't stalk you. This wasn't some elaborate plot against you. You just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Its just business; I had to get my Jagermeister on.
I luv runnin' with it...
oh ffs will you guys stop crying? There will always be gankers in pvp servers. You have to deal with it. Is just a game, you will not die for real so stop comparing it to real life examples.
FFS will you stop crying? So we like to make real world examples. What's it to you? You have to deal with it. It's just a message board, you will not die from us comparing it to real life examples.
And somebody already presented the definition of ganking, which is NOT what you say it is. Ganking is ganking. Ambushing another player is ambushing another player. You can't fault a lvl 60 rogue from sneaking up on and backstabbing a lvl 60 fighter, for example. However, you can fault a level 60 rogue for GANKING a lvl 20 fighter.
When I use the term gank in an MMO, I mean it in the context of the third definition.
Really, the definition of Ganking can mean very different things. It's all about who's saying it really. That said, we do agree on most every point in our posts, but the reality is that gankers will gank, and griefers will grief. There's nothing anyone can do about it either, which was the point I was trying to get across. I think the OP is a bit crazy with his whole, "I'll kill ANY player that might be standing there, because I can" mentality, but hey, he's paying his monthly fee like the rest of us.
If the game allows high level players to kill lowbies, either tough it out to get higher level and go around hunting lowbie killers (which is alot of fun btw), or find another game that's a bit more balanced overall towards PvP.
Agreed on our agreement!
I've walked away from the gankable(def 1) world. My PvP now comes in the form of fighting games and 3ps's, where all is fair in horseshoes and hand grenades. If I get pegged in the back of the head from a sniper rifle, it TRULY went down the way the game is designed.
The gankers can have their "PvP" to themselves, for as long as the market will bear it. But the gankers should be aware that should it ever become extinct, it's largely because of their own actions. People won't pay 15 bucks to be their bitch.
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No offense, but this is precisely the response that leads me to continue ganking everything that moves. I kill with indiscretion. If you're 20 levels higher I'll try to kill you. If you're 20 levels lower I'm going to kill you. It doesn't matter. All that matters is I know someone probably just raged, and nothing makes me laugh more than someone losing their shit because they got killed in a video game.
People that play an MMO with world enabled PVP should know what they're in for. Personally, I think it injects some fun into the boringness that is collecting 10 bear asses for random NPC #13.
Reality CHECK.
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For me, I don;t even really think about it much either way. Whether I am being killed or doing the killing, I have only one real purpose in playing massively multiplayer games, and that is to kill EVERYONE I see in game. Hell, I leave the loot to disappear and grab supplies to make me last longer just so I do not have to stop. To me, it is about cranking up the music and " Kill 'em all". High lv - low lvl doesn;t really matter to me. If your there, I am going to fight you unless you give me a reason not to.. I mean I have stopped killing someone because they made me laugh, it isn;t like I am completely inhuman. I refused to kill one guy just because he told me to.- but I am stubborn that way.
I respect those who defeat me, and those who put up a good fight as well. I really don;t get the cry babies who care so much for their little pixelated toons who start swearing at you and go all emo over a simple fight. If you are in a PVP area, you should expect to die.
I prefer the chaos anything goes winner takes all battles. Multiplayer/ singler player combat really doesn;t matter to me, I love it when I can solo kill an entire guild in a multi zone.. just makes winning all the better.
I don;t get the people who go so emotional over winning and losing, I would prefer to train soley on players and never interact with an NPC in game at all. Yes, that means getting killed ALOT before I ever get better. All the early dying in game should just be considered a learning experience.
Oh yea, if you start throwing a swearing fit, you should be spawn camped and killed before you can type another word.
As for these guys who think that it is a epeen guy thing, most of the most ruthless people I have encountered on the battlefield are women, and we do it for fun, not to hurt anyone's feelings. It is fun to just " kill them all" for no other reason than for cheap thrills, chilling and relaxing.
It really is that simple.. I think the people with the psychological issues are those that take it too seriously, and try to look at it as something more than it is. Those people are the ones that should get some counseling.. and some time away from their characters if they are really that attached to them, that it upsets them enough to become so emotional over it.
IT IS JUST A GAME.
Show us on the doll where the bad ganker touched you.
And with a bit of luck, their gaming experience was ruined forever. Always wondering what rogue lurked behind each and every bush, having thrills they would never know with men in red woolen shirts. RIP Dr. Gonzo
Guys like you are something that makes PvP servers in WoW fun and interesting. Personally, when I play on a PvP server, I am saying that I am not only open to having my ass handed to me by a higher-level player but also that I am very willing to do the same to a lower-level player. This is something that, as you rightly point out, brings challenge and spice to the game and even though I don't think that it is appropriate for some games because of their game dynamics (Final Fantasy XI, for example) it is something that should be a part of many MMORPGs. Now, how it is implemented is a whole other story but PvP and the chance to PvP is incredibly fun. After all, you know that it isn't some sort of AI-controlled monster that you brought down but another player and that's a small rush. It's also fun to pop people sitting just outside an Outpost who are AFK.
That said, there are plenty of people that ruin PvP by camping and causing unnecessary grief to another player. If I'm in a zone with another player and they keep crossing my path I'll likely take them out over and over again, but I'm not following them and I'm not waiting for them to show up. This is what I think that many PvP players do but, unfortunately, there are just too many that enjoy griefing to make PvP something that a lauded feature in games. Yes, some people are 'carebears' but I honestly think most PvE-centric players are up for the PvP challenge and simply don't want to be griefed.
That said, nice post Dirk.
(1)TL:DR must be your way of saying that thinking hurts. Then again, this may explain why it looks like you responded to the post without using your brain.
(2) It's not about community, is it? You just have nothing better to do.
Ah but its not, not really, to some folks it is a morality play where people get to show their "true" natures.
Some gamers bring their morals into MMORPG's and try to live by a code of honor regarding all aspects of the game, whether it be in combat, social interaction, or commerce.
Other players don't of course, they have different goals when they play, such as yours where you kill for the "fun" or thrill of it, or some other folks decide to scam other players on the market because after all, its just a game.
We all approach these games a bit differently. For those who treat them as virtual worlds there's a bit more at stake than just random ganking or gaming, and they'll take things a bit more personal.
I don't enjoy ganking or being ganked, yet I regularly play on PVP servers mostly to make the PVE activities I do a bit more exciting. I don't rage over being ganked however, I just move on and try to avoid conflict when possible, and when not, try to resolve the issue another way. (usually by making sure I bring 5 friends to make sure I win and win big)
I'm not interested so much in fair fights or honorable combat by the way, I figure in a PVP fight there's two sorts of people, winners and everyone else.
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:WELP: OP made a thread about pvp in WoW and called himself a PvPer... IN WOW muahahaha :WELP:
thats like calling yourself an olympic champion in running... IN SPECIAL OLYMPICS xDDD muahahaha
srsly though, pvpers dont make silly threads about ganking newbies (btw i never touch newbies in games like wow, but im playing EVE so anyone not blue is getting killed by me if i can kill it)
so bottomline: grow a pair and find a real pvp game
"The History of the Gank"
They need a vid to exemplify this.
He forgot to reference Cain and Abel.
Can you link to where he said it was WOW and not EVE or some other MMO?
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That's why I like RvR. Although I might of technically been "ganked" I never felt like that in DAoC.
Yes, you could walk into the Frontier where PvP was allowed, and if you weren't max level, you could be one shotted from a distance, and never even see the high level that killed you.
But you knew that when you went into the Frontier.
This is the scenario I would not find fun. Hey guys, anyone working on thier XQ armor quest? Ok, join our group!
So you join, and half way through, your party members kill you when you hit points are down.
I wouldn't find that added any spice or excitement to the game, just being annoyed.
Bingo. In even the most PVP-centric games, it's still illegal to kill people. They generally have the instadeath guards there or some form of prison. So saying the game was "designed" that way is a silly argument. Yes, you CAN kill people, but just like in real life, that doesn't make it a good idea.
Back in the days of Motor City Online, people who were losing would often turn around and drive backwards thru the circuit, trying to meet the other players and ram them. The "design of the game allows you to do that, so it must be ok". Right...
Sure the guards aren't out in the wilderness. The police don't generally hang out in the middle of the woods at night in RL, either. The fact that they AREN'T doesn't make it OK to kill someone out in the woods. To do so obviously denotes psychopathic behavior.
I've got nothing against PvP'ers. The reason that is is that I think PVP and ganking are 2 different things. True PvP'ers are seeking a competitive human challenge. Competition is in their blood; where there is no competition, they leave. Gankers are seeking a victim. And since they're doing it in an MMO, I tend to think that in RL they spent most of their time being the victim.
That the OP had to kill a lowbie "in his way" in a game where all you have to do is jump over them or god forbid strafe for a few seconds is just friggin' absurd. Truth can be found by reading between the lines: "All you lowbies, run in fear, or I'll cut you down!"...
Pathetic. Clearly a sign of someone who feels impotent and insignificant in real life.
"I don't cheat..." LOL!!! All this reminds me of that stand up bit from Chris Rock:
"I take care of my kids"- YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO YOU DUMBMOTHAF@#$A!
"I've never been to jail"- WHAT YOU WANT, A COOKIE?
Again, as I stated earlier in this thread, ganking does not equal griefing lowbies. Ganking is simply the act of ambushing another player (nothing at all wrong with that), and griefing is harassment of others (something that needs to not be in MMOs). In some games, hell in MOST PvP games, killing other players is worthwhile. The games are usually developed so that players WILL go out and look for other players to fight. Your argument of "saying a game is developed that way is silly", is wrong. WoW, you get faction, Warhammer, you get Renown as well as getting PvP gear, as well as other games that have those systems. To say that killing other players in those games is bad or "psychotic" is silly.
As long as games have systems put in place so you can't go out and kill lowbies, the better the game will be. That way, everyone's on somewhat equal ground and can actually stand a chance against someone when out solo roaming.
I do agree though that going out of your way to kill lowbies or even running into one and killing them anyway is sad, but oh well. Players will do what they want, it's up to the devvelopers to create systems to combat that and help put everyone into a somewhat equal level. All the FFA PvPers are the ones that you want to look out for. They're usually the ones killing lowbies, looting their corpses, and pretty much destroying any chance of their games to grow, hence why Darkfall and MO aren't doing so well. Put checks and balances in, and we can all have fun in PvP centered games.
To the OP.... fucker!
I blame the school system.
Hi, I'm the guy who ran over you over while I was drunk.
Now, please, don't take it personally. I don't really know you, nor do I hold a grudge of any sort against you. You just happened to be in your living room where my car crashed through your house.
No, I didn't stalk you. This wasn't some elaborate plot against you. You just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Its just business; I had to get my Jagermeister on.
I luv runnin' with it...
oh ffs will you guys stop crying? There will always be gankers in pvp servers. You have to deal with it. Is just a game, you will not die for real so stop comparing it to real life examples.
When I use the term gank in an MMO, I mean it in the context of the third definition.
Urban Dictionary- Ganking
Really, the definition of Ganking can mean very different things. It's all about who's saying it really. That said, we do agree on most every point in our posts, but the reality is that gankers will gank, and griefers will grief. There's nothing anyone can do about it either, which was the point I was trying to get across. I think the OP is a bit crazy with his whole, "I'll kill ANY player that might be standing there, because I can" mentality, but hey, he's paying his monthly fee like the rest of us.
If the game allows high level players to kill lowbies, either tough it out to get higher level and go around hunting lowbie killers (which is alot of fun btw), or find another game that's a bit more balanced overall towards PvP.
Hello again, my friends.
I've heard very good arguments and comments from both sides in this thread, and I must thank you all for expressing all your opinions on the matter!
Although I know most PvP-centric threads tend to burst into flames, i'm glad to see that at least in this one, people have kept rather level headed, aside from the obligatory trolling, cynicysm, and personal attacks you tend to see in nearly every other thread in this forum. I've actually laughed out loud at a few of these! Psycological problems indeed. xD
Its interesting to see how people react once they're faced with 'that guy' from their gaming experiences. I suppose people will always equate what happens inside a game with what is going on in the real world. There must be genuinley something wrong with that guy who struck down your character! He wouldn't dare do that to me in real life!
Of course I wouldn't.
In real life, I like to think that i'm actually a pretty easygoing, friendly fellow. Heck, we would probably even be friends! (..or not
who knows?)
But I believe people tend to forget that what goes on within a game is just that. A game. Does it excuse me from being 'that guy'? Absolutley not, and i'm not trying to justify what I do as right or wrong. Within the gaming world, i'll be the first to admit that yes, I 'am' a complete jerk. I 'am' that douchebag. I 'do' kill and fight and battle and do all of those things that i'd never actually do in real life. But all within a fantasy setting.
When i'm playing, I don't think of you as 'some guy or girl behind a keyboard'. I only see the digital representation of you on my screen. So as I said, please don't take it personally.
Again, I appreciate every reply and response within this thread. ^_^
FFS will you stop crying? So we like to make real world examples. What's it to you? You have to deal with it. It's just a message board, you will not die from us comparing it to real life examples.
Agreed on our agreement!
I've walked away from the gankable(def 1) world. My PvP now comes in the form of fighting games and 3ps's, where all is fair in horseshoes and hand grenades.
If I get pegged in the back of the head from a sniper rifle, it TRULY went down the way the game is designed.
The gankers can have their "PvP" to themselves, for as long as the market will bear it. But the gankers should be aware that should it ever become extinct, it's largely because of their own actions. People won't pay 15 bucks to be their bitch.
If PvP is your thing, just ask yourself this:
Why do you prefer PvP over PvE?
and correlate the obvious answer to the topic title.