If they have a barber shop in game that allows you to change/dye your hair ans some facial features, I'll be happy with just one slot since you can do everything with just one char. On the other hand I can understand the frustration of alt-oholics. More options are never bad.
Food for thought: Are char transfers, renames, and recustomizations considered microtransactions?
Food for thought: Are char transfers, renames, and recustomizations considered microtransactions?
Yes.
It's a transaction for a small amount of money. What they mean are no in game cash shops where you can buy armor with stats on it, potions, faster mounts and so forth.
That's all they mean, that doesn't mean you won't be able to change the race of your lalafell 2 years from now for 20 bucks. This may very well happen.
Can a new mmo come out without being analyzed up the arse?
Seems like the "new" mmo community likes to b-itch more then to enjoy the game for what it is.
Haha so true !!!
Sometimes I get the feeling that people discussing MMOs like this, really hate the genre :P
Pointing out a contradiction in a post is hating the entire genre? You people are paper thin.
The problem is that everyone expects avery new mmo to be exaclty as they wish. As Valdos said its better to take each game for what it is and after you get to play it , decide if it is the game for you or not.
I can sympathise with altoholics frustration but drawing conclusions about the game mechanics based on speculations is wrong. Unless you are in beta and you cant give more information due to NDA, in that case I pass :P
Paying for an extra character slot is a microtransaction.
Plus it'll be a more sore spot in this game than XI because you WILL be assigning points into your stats. Which means unless you stay perfect even you'll gimp yourself in a role.
you can redo your points. you only need 1 character. and probly 1 retainer. thats all i used the extra character in xi for is to hold stuff
While in the middle of combat? I can switch from an axe to a healer's staff and change my points accordingly?
lol you cant gimp your self that bad. can you just switch to yoru second character in the middle of battle?
A little gimp is too gimp for most people.
I'm saying that paying more than originally requested for a perk of any sort in a MMO is a microtransaction.
Plus you've confirmed that FFXIV's stat system is more about the illusion of choice than actually mattering. Which is sad really.
If stats and race really are about this illusion... what does that say about the rest of the game? I was looking forward to this one, but as more information comes out I'm feeling much better about my choice not to preorder before I have a chance to try it for myself.
Ok, so its a Microtransaction. So what... It is virtual propertly in which a person purchases through a store front provided by a game company. Cleary, you are just trying to piss people off by suggesting this is. Regardless, we all know that with the general term of Microtransactional really means "IN GAME STORE" and that it would allow people to purchase Items/equipment without the potential of earning that gear. That will not happen in this game.
Why are you even here posting about this? If your intent is not even to play it? To have people on this board to convince you that you should not play it? Fine, DONT PLAY THIS GAME YOU WILL NOT LIKE IT. You are just trolling and your feeding off of it. Moving on...
Too late.... they're already charing $3.00 for extra character slots. The game isn't even released yet, and the microtransactions have already begun.
Sorry, not even close to the same thing.
There is no advantage at all to renting a second slot. Since a single character can do everything in the game the only possible reason for a second slot would be for roleplaying and we all know that's almost nonexistant in an mmo anyway. Secondly, their monthly fee is less than the other top games anyway so even if you do get a second slot it would just feel like a normal sub to any other top mmo. Lastly, they did the same with slots in FF XI and the never added other micros so I don't see this leading to them.
I approve of FFs structure on this. I think alt-itus destroys community in these games. I know I make character after character when I have unlimited slots and never really end up getting anywhere because I want to try everything. In FF XIV I can try everything with a single character.
Everything with a single character? Everything?
Hmmm... how many races can a single character be? Ohh.. one. So for every race I want to play, I have to pay them an extra 3 bucks a month.
Or do races mean nothing? That's even more sad.
I have an idea, don t play the game.
It's obvious from your attitude you have no interest, so take the above advice and hit the road. The idea of being able to do everything with a single character is the most appealing aspect to me, and yes you can do EVERYTHING.
Can a new mmo come out without being analyzed up the arse?
Seems like the "new" mmo community likes to b-itch more then to enjoy the game for what it is.
Haha so true !!!
Sometimes I get the feeling that people discussing MMOs like this, really hate the genre :P
Pointing out a contradiction in a post is hating the entire genre? You people are paper thin.
The problem is that everyone expects avery new mmo to be exaclty as they wish. As Valdos said its better to take each game for what it is and after you get to play it , decide if it is the game for you or not.
I can sympathise with altoholics frustration but drawing conclusions about the game mechanics based on speculations is wrong. Unless you are in beta and you cant give more information due to NDA, in that case I pass :P
Paper-thin.
The OP, and on topic mind you fucking trolls, said there are no microtransactions in FFXIV but there could be eventually.
Everyone with sense has pointed out there is a microtransaction build in to the game before it's even released.
NDA be damned.
I kill other players because they're smarter than AI, sometimes.
Doesn't this mean that every single mmo out there is a microtransaction mmo by that standard?
not EVERY MMO, but every MMO that offers additional content/items/services for a feee, yes. Some of those things (such as name changes, gender changes, etc) used to be referred to as things like "Paid Services", but with everything else that has been added to games over the years with microtransactions they fall into the same category and in most cases are sold rioght alongside everything else in the Item Mall.
Doesn't this mean that every single mmo out there is a microtransaction mmo by that standard?
not EVERY MMO, but every MMO that offers additional content/items/services for a feee, yes. Some of those things (such as name changes, gender changes, etc) used to be referred to as things like "Paid Services", but with everything else that has been added to games over the years with microtransactions they fall into the same category and in most cases are sold rioght alongside everything else in the Item Mall.
But this game isn't an item mall. FFXI had the same thing and never turned into an item mall either. (another person had implied that charging for extra characters was merely the beginning).
Doesn't this mean that every single mmo out there is a microtransaction mmo by that standard?
not EVERY MMO, but every MMO that offers additional content/items/services for a feee, yes. Some of those things (such as name changes, gender changes, etc) used to be referred to as things like "Paid Services", but with everything else that has been added to games over the years with microtransactions they fall into the same category and in most cases are sold rioght alongside everything else in the Item Mall.
I think services such as name changes or further PC slots aren't Cash Shop. Cash shop/micro transactions are more purchasing items for in-game (eg in WoW the prestige mounts), or in-game content such as dungeon zone access (eg D&D). I am glad SE aren't going cash shop for XIV launch...there should be enough game to keep everyone happy.
Everyone has their own definition on what constitutes a micro transaction/item mall/cash shop...and everyone wants to be right. It is rather entertaining reading heated debates such as these which will most likely not change anything while I wait for the game to be released.
The OP was also talking about in-game store, and that it is based on an interview which is translated to english. I think that pretty much speaks for itself.
If you think we won't see My Little Ponies in the shop for 25 bucks, brace yourself for disappointment
So true. Cosmetic items are harmless profitteering. Sure there are people who hate the idea, but that's I'm sorry to say mostly irrational. Its the middle road, companies want a way to make more money without upsetting the balance of the game, cosmetic items do not change the balance of power, and in fact allow people another option of how to directly customize and therefore generate attachment to their character. If that sparkly pony "makes" your character and you pay that 25 bucks, everyone's happy in the transaction, the only people who aren't are the haters for no rational reason.
If you think we won't see My Little Ponies in the shop for 25 bucks, brace yourself for disappointment
So true. Cosmetic items are harmless profitteering. Sure there are people who hate the idea, but that's I'm sorry to say mostly irrational. Its the middle road, companies want a way to make more money without upsetting the balance of the game, cosmetic items do not change the balance of power, and in fact allow people another option of how to directly customize and therefore generate attachment to their character. If that sparkly pony "makes" your character and you pay that 25 bucks, everyone's happy in the transaction, the only people who aren't are the haters for no rational reason.
After reading through 6 pages of non-sense, it was nice to finally find some decent rational. The game is one of the most secretive MMOs scheduled for release in the next year. To theorize now on what SE will do, or won't do after the game is released is nonsensical.
Paying for an extra character slot is a microtransaction.
Plus it'll be a more sore spot in this game than XI because you WILL be assigning points into your stats. Which means unless you stay perfect even you'll gimp yourself in a role.
you can redo your points. you only need 1 character. and probly 1 retainer. thats all i used the extra character in xi for is to hold stuff
While in the middle of combat? I can switch from an axe to a healer's staff and change my points accordingly?
lol you cant gimp your self that bad. can you just switch to yoru second cahracter in the middle of battle?
So not only do races mean nothing, but your stats are also meaningless?
I was just reading this thread thinking to myself how absolutly stupid this whole conversation is when I saw this.. For the record, stats have never meant more in an MMO than they did in Final Fantasy XI. Races also had very personallized stat differences. SE has already annouced that each race will have advantages in different classes and if you dont think Stats are going to matter in XIV then you are going to be the eternal noob who is constantly slaughtered. Allocating your stats to the Job you intend to perform will make a world of difference and allowing you to change that in battle would make this game as pathetically easy as WoW.
Too late.... they're already charing $3.00 for extra character slots. The game isn't even released yet, and the microtransactions have already begun.
FFXI alrady did this as a standard, I'm sorry but that is just an attempt to bounce a topic. It's keeping the same model for character slots so If you compare the average cost for an MMO of 15.99 currently to the 12.99 it stays on pace to the costs if you would add 1 slot. The concept of FFXI was that you have so many subjobs it is techincally like having many many twinks of the same toon. The concept of an stable of alt slots just doesn't apply here, sorry an apple is not an orange no matter what color you paint it.
Selling a character slot is a microtranaction. So they are using a cash shop, even if not heavily.
You need to be quite clear that the two are wholly different and yet the same.....
microtransaction is used to indicate any transaction that is within 1/1000 of a $...... its been highjacked and mis used so much, kinda like 'Hardcore' and 'Zerg'....
So I will make it simple for you...
Cash Shops are where you purchase an item that substantially changes the way you play the game, it is where a SINGLE NON RECURRING PAYMENT takes place.
Microtransaction is where (for teh second definition) a transaction under teh value of $12 occurs.
the extra char slot (for playable char or retainer) is a SUBSCRIPTION charge. it occurs on a monthly basis, unlike a cash shop transaction which would occur only once to unlock it for the account........
Anyway, why all teh doom and gloom about paying a few bucks extra for a second slot? you dont want it dont pay, its simple, no-one is forcing you to do it
No they aren't. Not all cash shops sell game affecting items. In fact a high percentage are used for account features (such as character slots) or character cosmetics.
A cash shop is a cash shop, no matter what they sell.
I've also not stated any doom and gloom, about it having one. Simply pointing out the topic of this thread isn't correct. Microtransactions do exist in FF XIV.
No they aren't. Not all cash shops sell game affecting items. In fact a high percentage are used for account features (such as character slots) or character cosmetics.
A cash shop is a cash shop, no matter what they sell.
I've also not stated any doom and gloom, about it having one. Simply pointing out the topic of this thread isn't correct. Microtransactions do exist in FF XIV.
it doesnt matter im not going to need a second character. if you dont like it buy a second account. : ) then you wont have to use there so called cash shop. /facepalm.
because you get a free retainer.
btw would you prefer them to force you to buy a second account or pay a measly 3 bucks more for a second playable character
I've never seen a company come out and say they plan on to nickle and dime customers to death on top of the subcription fee yet. We have certainly seen it happen, the nickle and diming, so it can happen again. Rest assured tehre won't be any press release or official statement to come out that says they are going to do it either, not from Square or anyone else who might travel that path.
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On topic.
If they have a barber shop in game that allows you to change/dye your hair ans some facial features, I'll be happy with just one slot since you can do everything with just one char. On the other hand I can understand the frustration of alt-oholics. More options are never bad.
Food for thought: Are char transfers, renames, and recustomizations considered microtransactions?
Yes.
It's a transaction for a small amount of money. What they mean are no in game cash shops where you can buy armor with stats on it, potions, faster mounts and so forth.
That's all they mean, that doesn't mean you won't be able to change the race of your lalafell 2 years from now for 20 bucks. This may very well happen.
Is the sky going to fall down? No.
(,,,)=^__^=(,,,)
The problem is that everyone expects avery new mmo to be exaclty as they wish. As Valdos said its better to take each game for what it is and after you get to play it , decide if it is the game for you or not.
I can sympathise with altoholics frustration but drawing conclusions about the game mechanics based on speculations is wrong. Unless you are in beta and you cant give more information due to NDA, in that case I pass :P
Ok, so its a Microtransaction. So what... It is virtual propertly in which a person purchases through a store front provided by a game company. Cleary, you are just trying to piss people off by suggesting this is. Regardless, we all know that with the general term of Microtransactional really means "IN GAME STORE" and that it would allow people to purchase Items/equipment without the potential of earning that gear. That will not happen in this game.
Why are you even here posting about this? If your intent is not even to play it? To have people on this board to convince you that you should not play it? Fine, DONT PLAY THIS GAME YOU WILL NOT LIKE IT. You are just trolling and your feeding off of it. Moving on...
It's obvious from your attitude you have no interest, so take the above advice and hit the road. The idea of being able to do everything with a single character is the most appealing aspect to me, and yes you can do EVERYTHING.
Did anyone else read this thread and subsequent posts and go "WTF?"
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Paper-thin.
The OP, and on topic mind you fucking trolls, said there are no microtransactions in FFXIV but there could be eventually.
Everyone with sense has pointed out there is a microtransaction build in to the game before it's even released.
NDA be damned.
I kill other players because they're smarter than AI, sometimes.
Doesn't this mean that every single mmo out there is a microtransaction mmo by that standard?
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not EVERY MMO, but every MMO that offers additional content/items/services for a feee, yes. Some of those things (such as name changes, gender changes, etc) used to be referred to as things like "Paid Services", but with everything else that has been added to games over the years with microtransactions they fall into the same category and in most cases are sold rioght alongside everything else in the Item Mall.
But this game isn't an item mall. FFXI had the same thing and never turned into an item mall either. (another person had implied that charging for extra characters was merely the beginning).
SE is a very anti-sparkling pony company >.>
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not EVERY MMO, but every MMO that offers additional content/items/services for a feee, yes. Some of those things (such as name changes, gender changes, etc) used to be referred to as things like "Paid Services", but with everything else that has been added to games over the years with microtransactions they fall into the same category and in most cases are sold rioght alongside everything else in the Item Mall.
I think services such as name changes or further PC slots aren't Cash Shop. Cash shop/micro transactions are more purchasing items for in-game (eg in WoW the prestige mounts), or in-game content such as dungeon zone access (eg D&D). I am glad SE aren't going cash shop for XIV launch...there should be enough game to keep everyone happy.Everyone has their own definition on what constitutes a micro transaction/item mall/cash shop...and everyone wants to be right. It is rather entertaining reading heated debates such as these which will most likely not change anything while I wait for the game to be released.
The OP was also talking about in-game store, and that it is based on an interview which is translated to english. I think that pretty much speaks for itself.
Yeah right lol
If you think we won't see My Little Ponies in the shop for 25 bucks, brace yourself for disappointment
So true. Cosmetic items are harmless profitteering. Sure there are people who hate the idea, but that's I'm sorry to say mostly irrational. Its the middle road, companies want a way to make more money without upsetting the balance of the game, cosmetic items do not change the balance of power, and in fact allow people another option of how to directly customize and therefore generate attachment to their character. If that sparkly pony "makes" your character and you pay that 25 bucks, everyone's happy in the transaction, the only people who aren't are the haters for no rational reason.
25 bucks for decent mouse controls
Now that would fetch a pretty penny.
After reading through 6 pages of non-sense, it was nice to finally find some decent rational. The game is one of the most secretive MMOs scheduled for release in the next year. To theorize now on what SE will do, or won't do after the game is released is nonsensical.
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I could not care either way for microtransactions
i will get a second char slot so my GF can play too while I am not playing (Good luck with that)
everything else I dont need
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I was just reading this thread thinking to myself how absolutly stupid this whole conversation is when I saw this.. For the record, stats have never meant more in an MMO than they did in Final Fantasy XI. Races also had very personallized stat differences. SE has already annouced that each race will have advantages in different classes and if you dont think Stats are going to matter in XIV then you are going to be the eternal noob who is constantly slaughtered. Allocating your stats to the Job you intend to perform will make a world of difference and allowing you to change that in battle would make this game as pathetically easy as WoW.
FFXI alrady did this as a standard, I'm sorry but that is just an attempt to bounce a topic. It's keeping the same model for character slots so If you compare the average cost for an MMO of 15.99 currently to the 12.99 it stays on pace to the costs if you would add 1 slot. The concept of FFXI was that you have so many subjobs it is techincally like having many many twinks of the same toon. The concept of an stable of alt slots just doesn't apply here, sorry an apple is not an orange no matter what color you paint it.
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Selling a character slot is a microtranaction. So they are using a cash shop, even if not heavily.
So is selling expansion packs!!1
You need to be quite clear that the two are wholly different and yet the same.....
microtransaction is used to indicate any transaction that is within 1/1000 of a $...... its been highjacked and mis used so much, kinda like 'Hardcore' and 'Zerg'....
So I will make it simple for you...
Cash Shops are where you purchase an item that substantially changes the way you play the game, it is where a SINGLE NON RECURRING PAYMENT takes place.
Microtransaction is where (for teh second definition) a transaction under teh value of $12 occurs.
the extra char slot (for playable char or retainer) is a SUBSCRIPTION charge. it occurs on a monthly basis, unlike a cash shop transaction which would occur only once to unlock it for the account........
Anyway, why all teh doom and gloom about paying a few bucks extra for a second slot? you dont want it dont pay, its simple, no-one is forcing you to do it
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No they aren't. Not all cash shops sell game affecting items. In fact a high percentage are used for account features (such as character slots) or character cosmetics.
A cash shop is a cash shop, no matter what they sell.
I've also not stated any doom and gloom, about it having one. Simply pointing out the topic of this thread isn't correct. Microtransactions do exist in FF XIV.
it doesnt matter im not going to need a second character. if you dont like it buy a second account. : ) then you wont have to use there so called cash shop. /facepalm.
because you get a free retainer.
btw would you prefer them to force you to buy a second account or pay a measly 3 bucks more for a second playable character
I've never seen a company come out and say they plan on to nickle and dime customers to death on top of the subcription fee yet. We have certainly seen it happen, the nickle and diming, so it can happen again. Rest assured tehre won't be any press release or official statement to come out that says they are going to do it either, not from Square or anyone else who might travel that path.
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