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As a sidenot it is kind of amuseing that most seem to get my point aside of the one that started the topic and now tells me to stop posting because he says that nobody understands me. If that is not harassement at its best.
Maybe I write next time just "Trollpost" and save a lot of time in the whole argumentation.
Stay on topic.
The issue was with the grammar, not with specific spelling. If you could make out what he wrote I'd give you a cookie but I don't eat cookies so you're out of luck. Noone was being rude. Short, trying to keep things on topic and legible, but not intentionally rude.
Here is where I could bring up peoples lack of reading posts thoroughly.
If people want to post things unrelated to the topic. Please send me a PM. I'm a nice guy with a good sense of humor so if you want to shoot the **** then lets do it there.
This is not a place to post opinions on things outside the scope of how much the FF game is a complete ripoff. Or not a complete ripoff if you feel that way about it.
"I'm not cheap I'm incredibly subconsciously financially optimized"
"The worst part of censorship is ------------------"
Do yourself a favor, stop worrying about what the rest of us do with our cash. Support your bland games as I have read in this continuing non stop "Wow this, Wow that" topic. I honestly don't give a damn about that other game and those of us that do support Final Fantasy XIV, have every right to do so. If you're that bored with your life and need to degrade a game, I'm sure there are people out there that might possibly be able to help you. If you do not want posts like mine in the future, post in a more positive way and try not to post on just the ones where someone has something good to say that you don't seem to like about that game. It's good advice.
Actually the majority of people bring up WoW are the FF XIV fanbois, to a the point of obsession. From what I can tell most posting seem to be playing other MMOs, if any. Not once did the OP mention WoW in his post, or in fact any other MMO.
There is no excuse for this much and so obvious copy pasting.
Fair enough on the topic, and I apologize for the misplaced judgment as well ;p
But I must also admit that I cant see the point in making a 3D visual game if the majority of the gameworld look like the exact same tileset all over the place with maybe a few different mobs from time to another, if people are indeed happy with that, why not go and play them text based Muds instead.. no graphics but gameplay should be good ?
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I certainly know that I certainly won't be buying FF14 though I considered it before as of now I am absolutely not going to. Looking at the same scenery and the same locations is certainly an deal breaker for me. I want to immerse my self into the world, the enviroment, though this certainly won't be possible with the same visuals all over the place, and will certainly end up being extremely tedious and boring in the end when you keep looking at the same things.
Shhhh you are only allowed to post here with flawless english skills.
Sorry that I was offtopic once more. I will really stop to post in this thread from now on.
Obviously you are another person who has not read the thread entirely. I have asked people not to discuss other games here. Furthermore I have made several attempts to keep things civil,legible and not degrade into name calling. Even to the point of suggesting people can PM directly if they want to argue.
I don't care about WoW either. In fact I do not play and have not played since launch. I prefer deeper, more expansive and immersive games. The smaller sandbox games are the closest of these that are any good.
You have posted an attempted insult. It's common here in this forum but still annoyingly childish. Try harder to stay ON TOPIC. If you need help with an explaination of what ON TOPIC means, then I will happily provide you with a legible PM.
If you are reading this thread... stay ON TOPIC.
The topic is...
FF has copy-paste development and is generally a lazy made product.
Proof of such development is appearing all over the net on dozens of forums and vid sites this weekend.
I have spent some precious time on a weekend to bring the information to my MMORPG brethren so take the information and make up you own mind. No need to go into fanboi spasms or to be overly negative towards individuals. Noone should be saying anything about someone elses opinion sucking. Grammar on the other hand is open season if it's bad enough xD
"I'm not cheap I'm incredibly subconsciously financially optimized"
"The worst part of censorship is ------------------"
I'm sure there are people out there that might possibly be able to help you. It's good advice.
Obviously you are another person who has not read the thread entirely. I have asked people not to discuss other games here. Furthermore I have made several attempts to keep things civil,legible and not degrade into name calling. Even to the point of suggesting people can PM directly if they want to argue.
I don't care about WoW either. In fact I do not play and have not played since launch. I prefer deeper, more expansive and immersive games. The smaller sandbox games are the closest of these that are any good.
You have posted an attempted insult. It's common here in this forum but still annoyingly childish. Try harder to stay ON TOPIC. If you need help with an explaination of what ON TOPIC means, then I will happily provide you with a legible PM.
If you are reading this thread... stay ON TOPIC.
The topic is...
FF has copy-paste development and is generally a lazy made product.
Proof of such development is appearing all over the net on dozens of forums and vid sites this weekend.
I have spent some precious time on a weekend to bring the information to my MMORPG brethren so take the information and make up you own mind. No need to go into fanboi spasms or to be overly negative towards individuals. Noone should be saying anything about someone elses opinion sucking. Grammar on the other hand is open season if it's bad enough xD
choujiofkono went down to 2.7 on my XIV troll-o-meter for this last posting.lol shows why this game fell off the highest rated in development. SE fails.
This just gets better and better.
I am glad i am nto the only one that noticed this. I have no direction sense in games so there have been a few spots that I thought wow I was just here, but then I look on my map and i wasn't. Every game I have ever played does this, I just do not think it is as noticable in some cases.
"Because we all know the miracle patch fairy shows up the night before release and sprinkles magic dust on the server to make it allllll better." parrotpholk
What is the point of this thread? Did you REALLY think that games like this have EVERY inch hand sculpted to be unique? All online games use tools that procedurally generate terrain. Otherwise, it would take YEARS for designers to physically create every last inch of the game world. Once again, these forums show that they are the last word in fucking morons on the internet. It makes me sad that an unfortunate side effect of civilization is that the truly stupid are allowed to survive. It is threads like these that prove we are doomed as a species.
Damn choujiofkono you shure are one heck of a though troll, I first checked this thread like hours ago and you have been hamering on it all day long. Oh, I forgot, not a native english speaker, I did understand all of the post's, sometimes I try a little harder, you know.... like not being lazy and reading something twice wen I dont fully understand it.
So what, like a bunch of people have said, almost all games reuse some of it's scenary, unlike you the dev's are lazy and they dont texture each area to you'r liking so you point it out. We'll that's just Great, from my experience I see repetition all over the games I play too, never played FF XIV but I'm pretty shure that's not the main reason that will stop me.
Any way, just my two cents, and I also felt a deep desire to see how often can you troll around, herg... wait... wasen't there a great deep game you played, I bet alt+tab works on that one.
Cya.
There was no need to quote me.
I'm in the OB, i've tried it myself.
I won't give you my opinion of the game, as it's irrelivent. I will just say that I didn't notice the landscape was cut and pasted anymore then I've ever noticed cut and pasted landscapes in WoW, Eve, Vanguard, DAoC, MO, DF, EQ2, EQ, UO, Ryzom, Planetside, Darktide, CoH, CoV, L2, Auto Assualt, MXO, Tabula Raza, APB, Freerealms, Wizards 101, DDO, LoTRO, and countless others I've played and can't remember. And that's just the Online games.
Dragon Age. Civ1-4, AoE1-3, WC1-3, SC1-3, Oblivion, Gears of War, GTA's, Red Dead, Mag, CoD's, ,Medal of honor, FF whatever to whatever, etc. etc.
But I understand. You don't want other games mentioned because it invalidates your complaint. Gotcha.
Your trolling a bit hard here, but I'll toss some knowledge out to you.. What you do with it is your business.
You are definitely correct that the terrain is copy/pasted... If this is your definition of a lack of dynamic content, you should certainly avoid playing this game.
Let me say that one more time... If YOUR definition of dynamic content is centered around the way the terrain is shaped, don't play this game.
However, If your definition of dynamic content deals with a compelling storyline and challenging story-arcs you might want to consider playing this game (verdict is still out).
Whether you do or don't is irrelevant to the rest of us as we aren't going to pay you to play it.
But on to that knowledge...
Pick any decade and you can find housing all over the country designed the same way. In every city there are whole neighborhoods built with houses that look almost exactly the same... That because they are built exactly the same.
Pick any item produced in quantity and you will see the same thing... As long as it was produced in the same"batch" it will have striking similarity to the other items made in that "batch"
This is because mass production of anything will always mirror itself with very minor differences. It's made with the same formula and with the same material. The next batch produced will do the same thing as well
This is effectively what you are seeing and you will see it in everything short of works of art (debatable).
Definitely the quality and orginiality of the graphics in the game matter, but that will pale in comparison to story quality and gameplay quality/variance.
Some of the biggest MMO's in the business have fugly graphics...including the one you noted "earns 100 million in profit monthly"
It still remains to be seen if this game is going to be worth the money(IMO), but I don't think your reasoning lends any credence to that decision.
Someone has already pointed that out on page 3 or so.
This game should cost $9.97 and be F2P with a cash shop for RP clothes and fishing poles. They might also make some cash selling hardware mouse enabler in cash shop
I have plenty of criticisms about FF14, but this is definately not one of them. About the only things you can recognize as being rehashed are the caves, fishing ponds, and camping outposts.
They have little doodads though that seperate them from each other (save the caves).
That is a lot of games to have played. Did you spend more than a week on them a piece? I think it's a reasonable question since you insinuate that the mention of other games somehow invalidates my complaint about FF which is nonsense. Mentioning other games in comparison to FF is fine, the only issue I take is when it degrades into arguments about the specific games themselves. You would know that if you took the time to read the thread.
Everyone before you that have mentioned games have stated THEY ALL have obvious repetition as an argument to defend FF.
You, on the otherhand state all those games DO NOT have repetition.
Your comment does not jive with the other peoples comments.
If your comment was designed to meaningfully prove something I do not see your point. In fact what you have stated in relation the rest of this thread makes no sense whatsoever.
"I'm not cheap I'm incredibly subconsciously financially optimized"
"The worst part of censorship is ------------------"
NO game, I repeat, NO game does this to that extent. Sure, every game has more or less the same house models, similar cave shapes, but the terrain itself? Jeez. Now, most ppl won't really care about this, but it is a problem that is being added on top of the pile of bad things this game has.
If you're going to complain about something as minor as this, don't ever play Diablo, Torchlight or any other Roguelike for that matter. I'm the first to say that I don't like FFXIV, but it has nothing to do with lack of depth, content or maps. It has to do with some very basic UI and functionality problems that I just can't get past in a 2010 MMO.
I played the HELL out of FFXI for 4 years. It's my favorite MMO and probably always will be, but XIV isn't in the same caliber. That being said, grasping at straws for things to complain about like this is really nothing more than trolling. Some repetitive terrain design is the least of this game's worries.
My blog:
http://www.mmorpg.com/blogs/Strayfe/
I like how people who've never played WoW will diss it. Even badlands and the barrens didn't reuse the same geographic features, and they were rich with landmarks and interesting places compared to ffxiv.
This made me laugh so hard because I could see SE trying to pull it off. Mouse lag is not a 'bug' it is an intentional choice made by SE on their game design.
Dev Bob:"Hey what about the cursor ingame?"
Dev Bill:"What about it? It's already been covered."
Dev Bob:"Well it says here that it won't be hardware mouse and that can be a real issue for the PC verion."
Dev Bill:"And?"
Dev Bob:"We should change this or could have a negative impact on the game."
Dev Bill:"Let me get this straight. You want us to spend resources to redo code for a feature that isn't in our target market? You're the new guy right?"
Dev Bob:"Yes, I just started yesterday."
Dev Bill:"If you want to keep your job I suggest you avoid talking such nonsense around here. We are a console company. We have about 2 windows programmers working on this project. Those PC users will buy a gamepad to play with. This is what our marketing team has told us."
Dev Bob:"Sir, with all do respect... it would only take a small..."
Dev Bill:"I don't think this is going to work out for you here Bob."
What you deem minor many other people deem as a deal breaker. As stated before it makes for very dull storylines and quests when you have no exploration and discovery involved because you know every curve of every trail after a few weeks. Not just every curve of one spot, but you can start to predict where things are going to be when you haven't even seen the area yet. It's that obvious. People deserve to know the seriousness of that issue alongside the equally serious flaws of control and UI. Not to mention it's a blatant consol port.
"I'm not cheap I'm incredibly subconsciously financially optimized"
"The worst part of censorship is ------------------"
You're comparing an MMO with persistent maps to non-MMOs that have randomly generated maps? You actually think that's a remotely fair comparison?
I've noticed re-used terrain in places.
Didn't bother me. I think I'll play the game anyways.
So long, and thanks for all the fish!