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Evidence of extreme copy-paste development in FFXIV
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I read this and I think I'm going to have to clean my breakfast off my monitor. HAHAHAHA
Tongue in cheek as it may be, this is very likely the case on a lot of issues with this game. Although I don't see them fixing the obnoxiously overused terrain (can you even call whole towns.. "terrain"?) with a patch or a item shop upgrade.
"I'm not cheap I'm incredibly subconsciously financially optimized"
"The worst part of censorship is ------------------"
Maybe its just where I live (oklahoma) I can drive literally hours upon hours and see copy and pasted wheat fields, and every cedar tree looks the same to me. I am not saying this is norm for the rest of the world but in my experience, when your in a given region there are stricking resemblances all over. Now if I saw the same stuff in every map I might have a concern over this. This isnt even new in MMO's lot of mmo's do this. This is a good sign for ffxiv, because people are struggling to find something/anything to whine about. Were not talking about some gamebreaking feature, I have yet to see those all I see are nit picking threads. Which excites me even more about ffxiv.
Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore)
Now Playing: N/A
Worst MMO: FFXIV
Favorite MMO: FFXI
Yes, one wheat field looks like another, but the houses near it don't. If you think one tree looks like another, then you should get your eyes checked.
Anyhow, this is something that is very rare in the MMO world. The scale of this copying and pasting is crazy. Other games copy chairs and things like that. Old World WoW had copied caves (but had very few caves) and some buildings. Copying Terrain features all over the place though....that's not common at all. Essentially copying villages one after another...that's not common either.
Not it isn't and no they are not.
"Come and have a look at what you could have won."
I think you misunderstood this thread. Point is, this is just another problem added on top of the pile of problems this game offers. So many problems, and many are game breakers. Of course, many MMOs do this, but this one does it in a great extent. Anyway, have fun in your game while I'll be playing something 10 times better in about 6 months from now.
But did you see the same exact stand of 3 trees sitting on the same exact hill overlooking the same exact plot of wheat fields? No you didn't. Not even close. Individual items are ok to look similar. Whole huge plots of land including every identifiable landmark repeated 45 times in your home state and you'd notice. More than notice, you'd probably get annoyed and move to a different state.
"I'm not cheap I'm incredibly subconsciously financially optimized"
"The worst part of censorship is ------------------"
Don't post random nonsense in this thread. Offer an opinion of value with intelligence or move on.
"I'm not cheap I'm incredibly subconsciously financially optimized"
"The worst part of censorship is ------------------"
One thing I think we can all agree on...Dev Bob should not have been fired.
hey choujiofkono. are you a secret moderator? if not follow your own advice. "Offer an opinion of value with intelligence or move on"
it's called freedom of speech and the only ones allowed to stomp on it in these forums are the mods
Maybe the first expansion will be just a copypaste of the original gameworld, just turned 90 degrees?
Should work, at least the fanbois don't seem to be too picky.
Is it just me or dose some of the area outside of Limsa Lominsa look a little like la theine plateau from XI?
We go trough life with many yet there is a time we must walk our path alone.
Thread is about a problem killing of what is otherwise known as one of the game's strongest points: immersion. Everything else is what you want to believe.
ok we all understand you opinion. now quit trying to shove it down our throats.
yeah the general landscape is copy pasted we understand that. but if you actually took the effort to look at even the screenshots you posted you'd also notice that they took the effort to go in and change things. Different skins on the rock face, adhusted the mesh on the cliff. used different surrounding landscapes so that we're not feeling like we're running over the same patch of ground. there are significant differences in every copy/paste that makes it a different area.
Differing opinions are just that.
my favorite quote is "opinions are like assholes just because you have one dosn't mean we all need to hear it. and with repetition they really stink up a room"
Peoples logic is so ass backwards.
Ok, so everyone always complains "WoW just took ideas from other mmo's its not even that good."
And then when it comes to defending a different game they will go "Well WoW does it so its ok."
Does no one else notice this? Seriously, this is unacceptable, Also dungeons in WoW are not all the same 4 layouts, maybe in the newer expansions, but there is indoor and outdoor dungeons in WoW, almost all of them have different paths you can take and areas to explore.
This is just blatent laziness, even Mortal Online isnt that bad and its made by an indie dev company.
This is just Cryptic Syndrome all over again, rushing a game out the door and hoping the initial box sales cover the costs and a little extra and then just milking it dry until theres a small playerbase keeping it on life support.
Well after it is pointed out that the landscape is copy and peace we should talk about something different.
I like for example kittens and there is nothing better than a basket full of kittens to calm people down. Do you all agree on this?
Take these for example:
The middle kitten is a copy paste of the left kitten.
Objectivity is delivered with a lack of personality made for the mainstream but never used for the mainstream.
alot of effort no. it only takes a few clicks but those few clicks alter the look and feel of the area even if it's just by a small amount. this is the same type of method most games use to generate their terrain.
here's an example from my experience creating mods and custom maps from other games and also from talking with devs from alot of the mmo's
First they create the base map. next they flesh it out a little with premade landscape tiles. followed by mesh adjustments then individual object placements, skin overlays and any little touches they feel the area needs to hook it to the next area. Most mmo's use a small amount of different objects with slight variations for any individual item (like rocks or trees) to keep resource requirements to a minimum. the larger the map or "zone" the fewer different objects they were able to readily use to keep the framerate from bottoming out and bandwidth from becoming excessive. newer graphic cards and methods of loading terrain and objects have greatly increased the zone sizes and objects useable but still it's a limited amount of difffering objects and terrain. With the graphic overlay they are using and the "almost" zone free aspects of the game i'm quite impressed with the terrain and the amount of detail they went into to make even similar tiles look dissimilar
and to finish off my post i'll say this.
there are alot of things about this game that piss me off and have me reconsidering my preorder. but the "copy/paste" terrain is not among them.
LOL, sarcastic but with some truth. Every game has flaws, why is FF14 the only one where players are saying don't buy it or analysiing to the extreme?Better question is if it's being implied this game copy paste more than others. Why is there no screenshots of multiple maps from other mmos for comparison?
Does the OP work for a competitor mmo or related to someone who does?
I don't like rift but I don't go on those forums analysing and pointing flaws out.
I'm not defending SE because there is nothing to defend. It's evident, but where is the proof FF14 does it more than others?
If the OP doesn't work for a competitor or a consumer report mag. Why only the analysis on FF14?
Or have they posted similar types of post, pointing out other mmo shortcomings on their appropriate forums?
If your a fan with complaints, idk you usually let them know on their feedback site.
You don't say"Vote with your wallet"
If your a fan of some other mmo, they don't pay you to use smear tactics. If your holy grail mmo is better than FF14. Then it doesn't need your help to bolster it's sub base by beliitling others.
You guys know that posting junk like this can get you banned yes?
I have told you guys to stay on topic and keep things civil like 3-4 times now.
Offer something on topic and intelligent or nothing at all.
"I'm not cheap I'm incredibly subconsciously financially optimized"
"The worst part of censorship is ------------------"
LOL, just flat-out LOL. You need to walk outside for a second and re-evaluate your position in the universe.
Going back to page 3-4 you will see that they barely changed the looks of the "similar" terrain, actually at page 4 the house in the field, the position of it in the field, the fence position... look exactly the same to me. Sorry, but if you notice that some of the stuff you saw, you have seen it again (and I'm not talking about caves here) then it's already too late. One of the most positive things of the game for me was the graphics and the immersion they add which was completely washed away by what I saw here.
What exactly are you expecting of your readers and responders here.
That they go 'OMG, you're so right! Im gonna cancel my preorder rightaway!', sort of a confirmation for all your hard searching work, sort of a pat on the back?
Or that they say they don't see it like that or don't think it's an issue, after which you can insult them because of their english or ridicule them in other ways?
I mean, let's be real, mate, are you really that surprised by the variety in reactions upon your outcry? Is it really only people agreeing with you that you're looking for?
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
If you have problems with the OP that he posts bad things about your game then keep it to yourself or discuss it through PM. Other than that, you are welcome to post your opinion on the matter.
I don't know, but to me it looked like they did, they posted their opinion, just like any other poster here.
Maybe they thought the issue of reusing objects didn't have the importance that the OP gave it, ever wondered about that?
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Opinon A's are welcomed on the board. Opinion Bs, take 'em to PM. Opinion Cs? GTFO.
Edit: so help me God if someone posts Opinion D.....