I had high hopes for this game. FFXI wasn't great, but I got some enjoyment out of it. Im not a hardcore MMO'er but ive played my fair share. I was thrilled to get into OB this week and went into it with NO expectations.
I'd really like to say that this game will do well, but it looks like i'll be playing BFBC2 quite a bit longer until GW2 comes out. Ive tried to think possative about this, but here are my gripes.
1) Not "newbie" friendly Now normally this wouldn't be a huge deal. Im all for making a game challenging, but most of it in this game seems to be out of laziness. When in town, you have NO idea what different NPC's are there for. Whats more, there are pretty much no tutorials, ( I had to figure out how to equip my own actions ), and just felt completely LOST in the game. The maps are horrible. As far as I can tell when you press M, what you see is what you get. So if you are in town, you'll likely only see about half of the town, and have no idea what is in the rest.
Damn, why are people so retarded... I stopped reading after the part about the map not being completely on screen when you push M.. It's like the OP never passed the 3rd grade.. Really man, is it that hard to figure out how to move the map.. Oh thats right, you never made it past 3rd grade to learn that the world will not always hold your hand...
Sorry, I'm just pissed at how people can be so .... nvm it's pointless
Exactly why I stayed away from this thread, but it's still alive. Truth is, the game will be better off without these people. They expected an experience resembling the modern-day MMO's that are flooding the genre today. When the game wasn't so easy, they bashed it for the dumbest reasons. I wanna be immature and say QQ to them, but that just fuels these trolls.
They really didn't want to learn anything new from an MMO. They wanted to dive-in and be walked through the game. If FFXIV was just another one of those games, it would fail.
I had high hopes for this game. FFXI wasn't great, but I got some enjoyment out of it. Im not a hardcore MMO'er but ive played my fair share. I was thrilled to get into OB this week and went into it with NO expectations.
I'd really like to say that this game will do well, but it looks like i'll be playing BFBC2 quite a bit longer until GW2 comes out. Ive tried to think possative about this, but here are my gripes.
1) Not "newbie" friendly Now normally this wouldn't be a huge deal. Im all for making a game challenging, but most of it in this game seems to be out of laziness. When in town, you have NO idea what different NPC's are there for. Whats more, there are pretty much no tutorials, ( I had to figure out how to equip my own actions ), and just felt completely LOST in the game. The maps are horrible. As far as I can tell when you press M, what you see is what you get. So if you are in town, you'll likely only see about half of the town, and have no idea what is in the rest.
Damn, why are people so retarded... I stopped reading after the part about the map not being completely on screen when you push M.. It's like the OP never passed the 3rd grade.. Really man, is it that hard to figure out how to move the map.. Oh thats right, you never made it past 3rd grade to learn that the world will not always hold your hand...
Sorry, I'm just pissed at how people can be so .... nvm it's pointless
Exactly why I stayed away from this thread, but it's still alive. Truth is, the game will be better off without these people. They expected an experience resembling the modern-day MMO's that are flooding the genre today. When the game wasn't so easy, they bashed it for the dumbest reasons. I wanna be immature and say QQ to them, but that just fuels these trolls.
They really didn't want to learn anything new from an MMO. They wanted to dive-in and be walked through the game. If FFXIV was just another one of those games, it would fail.
Couldn't we just stop bumping it. The last page is pretty much all people saying this, a bit self defeating don't you think?
I think I can safely assume all the people burning this game have played WoW, and to them I present this video.
I just typed a huge post going off about this fact and then deleted it all, all I really needed was that one sentence, thanks.
WoW has spoiled the gaming community and it now expects signs, flashing lights, sirens and everything presented to them in a completely obvious way especially since WotLK. Be aware that I play WoW and also XIV as I am an ex XI freak, I stay in WoW for one reason, friends/guildies, thats worth a lot to me.
All I want, is that in 6 months choujiofkono comes on these forums and admits he was wrong to everyone. Not a hard thing to imagine, 2 weeks after the projected PS3 release of FFXIV, thats when choujiofkono says this game will be dead and gone. I think a public display of humility for being dead wrong on so many troll posts would be a nice change. So what do you say choujiofkono ? Up for a little wager? your prediction over mine? If your wrong you come here and tell everyone how wrong you were and how sorry you are for being a troll? And if FFXIV is dead and gone in 6 months, I'll come on here and tell everyone you were right and not a troll afterall? Deal?
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
So many people mad because they don't have all the answers handed out for them on a silver platter. Do you think I wasn't mad with the lack of tutorials at first? Do you think I wasn't cursing the day Square decided to make me spend half an hour hunting down Bango Zango in LL just to finish the damn weaving leve? Who wasn't? A game like this requires skill, collaboration, experimentation, creativity, and a heck of a lot of patience if you want to get anywhere. You MUST research the recipe wikis, read tutorial articles, and start familiarizing yourself with a variety of fan forums if you want to be remotely competitive with the crafting system. Square is playing it smart by making us find the answers- this will keep the game fresh and challenging as long as they continue to regularly release new content.
As for level up abilities... I say to you that class abilities don't need light shows and giant explosions to make for a good MMO. Or any decent open ended RPG for that matter. I've sometimes compared gameplay in FFXIV to Monster Hunter, and imagine how horrible that game would be if you had "pets, summons and forms" instead of having to depend on raw skill and accurate strikes to take down giant monsters. Honestly, the fluid attack combos and power swipes that my rank 20 Lancer offers are becoming quite endearing to me. I believe we'll be getting some visually impressive spells later on, but players have to put in a lot of work to get to that point and learn to adapt their basic techniques to take down any enemy.
I had high hopes for this game. FFXI wasn't great, but I got some enjoyment out of it. Im not a hardcore MMO'er but ive played my fair share. I was thrilled to get into OB this week and went into it with NO expectations.
I'd really like to say that this game will do well, but it looks like i'll be playing BFBC2 quite a bit longer until GW2 comes out. Ive tried to think possative about this, but here are my gripes.
1) Not "newbie" friendly Now normally this wouldn't be a huge deal. Im all for making a game challenging, but most of it in this game seems to be out of laziness. When in town, you have NO idea what different NPC's are there for. Whats more, there are pretty much no tutorials, ( I had to figure out how to equip my own actions ), and just felt completely LOST in the game. The maps are horrible. As far as I can tell when you press M, what you see is what you get. So if you are in town, you'll likely only see about half of the town, and have no idea what is in the rest.
And sure, I can see how these things could be possatives as many games nowadays hold your hand too much, but if you are going to make a large learning curve and challenge navigating, then put the info out there that is needed to learn. NPC's should give good directions as they would in RL, there should be recipe books, and tutorials etc.
POOR EXECUTION on this one.
2) Technical Problems I wont go too much into this one, but there are still many technical issues, from disconects to UI mouse lag, etc. It is OB, but the game is out in less than a week, so im a bit worried there. Also, FFXI had a similar laggy feel as well, so im not expecting too much improvement.
3) Character Development Ok, so mediocre character creation. A lot of the different options I couldn't tell what was changing on my character. Couldn't rotate the character during creation either. No big deal there.
I like the idea of only needing one character since you can change jobs at any time, BUT...... Having looked through the jobs available and the actions learned later on, im dissapointed. IMO there isn't much to look forward to. Every few levels you'll get a new ability, but they are kinda MEH!. Sure, im guessing you can mix abilities and develop your character how you want it, but really I dont see this going so well.
Other games, (including FFXI) have "cool" classes. Youve got stuff out there like ninjas, assassins, rogues, druids, samurais, summoners, bards, etc. etc. These classes all end up having "cool" powers and abilities. In FFXIV, what do you get. Your archer can shoot arrows reapeatadly, or your Thermatuge (whatever) gets Dia.
Now I know some games have the problem of giving way too many abilities where you are getting them every level, and I know FFXI went skimpy on the abilities, but still the jobs and character development were better there.
And sure, ive only played for about 10levels, but I already have nothing to really look forward to. No pets, no summons, no forms, no really cool abilities.
Still kinda MEH!!
I dont want to babble on too much here, as I think those are the biggest factors for me. Its not a newbie friendly game, and it just really feels FRUSTRATING to try to play. That alone will ward people off early on in the game life. Then the people that tend to stay on will start to get bored with the character development and overal slow pace of the game.
So ya, im really dissapointed with this game, and wish they would have learned more from what went well and what didn't with FFXI. There is no reason to be putting out this crappy of a game. I think Square's technical abilites are all GREAT. The graphics are amazing, story seems good, sound is fine, etc. But their concept development is HORRIBLE. This is also the games biggest downfall. Clearly way too much time was spend on graphics, story, and sound, and playability is going to suffer big time.
So FFXIV = "A golden turd"
for all the people flaming you for this post I'll just say this; don't expect to ever come on here, leave your PERSONAL opinions and not have people point out, ridicule, pick apart or disect word for word what you wrote.
I personally like to see the views of others even if the credibility is questionable, I personaly think it's the reason for forums such as this, so we can share our experiences and give our personal feed back. So truthfully what you must do is filter out all the random attacks, take the good with the bad and roll with it. I'm posting this because I saw your second post and you seemed a bit bothered by the flamers
I think of these forums like eating some nice steamed red snapper; you eat the meat and spit out the bones.
Now about your initial post, I agreed with everything you said about 2 days ago, but after reading future patch notes I found out I may have cancelled my pre-order too early. Does this mean that I'm going to run back to Best buys and re-order? or run to the store on the 22nd and grab a box? Nope, because I have seen promises such as this before from games I waited and drooled over for over a year only to find out it was a bunch of crap. My biggest let down I think was Sword of the new world.
Anyhow, don't count it as flop just yet, wait until at least 2-3 months after people on here has tried it and post their experiences as you just did, you may be surprised or you may get confirmation, personaly I doubt I'll be playing either way and I've been having mixed feelings about looking at it again. Been watching a heck of a lot of GW2 gameplay on youtube and it's got my attention so knowing my patience I'm willing to wait for that
Map scrolling in mapmode can be done with the keys: I K J L
Usables are brought up in a seperate window hitting key U when no other window is open.
Something i found out myself...but i am experienced - newcomers for sure will have much pain the first time.
I have access to the Betasite but not the forum for unknown reason so i dont know if there is a help somewhere.
But my guess is the game will be very good in the end - its the first time i play a Final Fantasy game at all and only by accident but the lesson is not to follow blindly the words of other but to look for yourself how it is.
"Torquemada... do not implore him for compassion. Torquemada... do not beg him for forgiveness. Torquemada... do not ask him for mercy. Let's face it, you can't Torquemada anything!"
I cann't believe I actually read this entire thread again, just another review from another person who got frustrated because they couldn't figure out how to play FFXIV. It was too hard for them or it took them too much time to get to the 'OMG I need fun NOW' while sitting in thier chair ***shaking*** until they rage quite and uninstalled. Why do people defend this stuff, why do they even try to explain it to them? They wont get it, it was too frustrating for them when they tried it so it sucks for them. Just let it be, let the thread die, and lets move on. I'm sure there will be at least 4 more of these threads started today alone, and 5 more again tomorrow. They give no relivance to the game of FFXIV, only in so much that some people just don't get it or can't do it.
How about you learn to respect somebodys opinion instead of flaming them for it.
I agree with the op. I haven't played since the start of open beta. I found it pretty boring. It just wasn't my cup of tea.
There can't always be threads praising the game. It's a forum so be prepared to be faced with mixed opinions.
I cann't believe I actually read this entire thread again, just another review from another person who got frustrated because they couldn't figure out how to play FFXIV. It was too hard for them or it took them too much time to get to the 'OMG I need fun NOW' while sitting in thier chair ***shaking*** until they rage quite and uninstalled. Why do people defend this stuff, why do they even try to explain it to them? They wont get it, it was too frustrating for them when they tried it so it sucks for them. Just let it be, let the thread die, and lets move on. I'm sure there will be at least 4 more of these threads started today alone, and 5 more again tomorrow. They give no relivance to the game of FFXIV, only in so much that some people just don't get it or can't do it.
How about you learn to respect somebodys opinion instead of flaming them for it.
I had high hopes for this game. FFXI wasn't great, but I got some enjoyment out of it. Im not a hardcore MMO'er but ive played my fair share. I was thrilled to get into OB this week and went into it with NO expectations.
I'd really like to say that this game will do well, but it looks like i'll be playing BFBC2 quite a bit longer until GW2 comes out. Ive tried to think possative about this, but here are my gripes.
1) Not "newbie" friendly Now normally this wouldn't be a huge deal. Im all for making a game challenging, but most of it in this game seems to be out of laziness. When in town, you have NO idea what different NPC's are there for. Whats more, there are pretty much no tutorials, ( I had to figure out how to equip my own actions ), and just felt completely LOST in the game. The maps are horrible. As far as I can tell when you press M, what you see is what you get. So if you are in town, you'll likely only see about half of the town, and have no idea what is in the rest.
Damn, why are people so retarded... I stopped reading after the part about the map not being completely on screen when you push M.. It's like the OP never passed the 3rd grade.. Really man, is it that hard to figure out how to move the map.. Oh thats right, you never made it past 3rd grade to learn that the world will not always hold your hand...
Sorry, I'm just pissed at how people can be so .... nvm it's pointless
Lol, exactly, you can move the map with I J K L, seriously guys, how could you not think of it?
Exactly why I stayed away from this thread, but it's still alive. Truth is, the game will be better off without these people. They expected an experience resembling the modern-day MMO's that are flooding the genre today. When the game wasn't so easy, they bashed it for the dumbest reasons. I wanna be immature and say QQ to them, but that just fuels these trolls.
They really didn't want to learn anything new from an MMO. They wanted to dive-in and be walked through the game. If FFXIV was just another one of those games, it would fail.
I love it when people seem to think that FFXI or XIV is a difficult MMO. It just makes you sound like a prat when you say things like that. There's a big difference between challenging content and being an unintuitive mess. Unfortunately, XIV is the latter. The CONTENT is supposed to be challenging. Simple things that, dare I say, people expect from a modern-day MMO are absent; it makes the game difficult to play, but it doesn't make the game difficult. You'll have to forgive the current generation of gamers for wanting an easily playable game. I like challenge, but I want to be challenged in the right areas. If navigating your way through a labyrinth of menus, macros, and wonky controls is your idea of a "hard" MMO... well then more power to you.
I cann't believe I actually read this entire thread again, just another review from another person who got frustrated because they couldn't figure out how to play FFXIV. It was too hard for them or it took them too much time to get to the 'OMG I need fun NOW' while sitting in thier chair ***shaking*** until they rage quite and uninstalled. Why do people defend this stuff, why do they even try to explain it to them? They wont get it, it was too frustrating for them when they tried it so it sucks for them. Just let it be, let the thread die, and lets move on. I'm sure there will be at least 4 more of these threads started today alone, and 5 more again tomorrow. They give no relivance to the game of FFXIV, only in so much that some people just don't get it or can't do it.
How about you learn to respect somebodys opinion instead of flaming them for it.
Amen.
So your both saying I'm wrong then huh? The opening post to this thread wasn't written by someone who got frustrated with FFXIV when he tested it? He actually did find all the in-game help and then just wrote there was 'no tutorial' for laughs? He didnt' have a problem with the character creator, the UI, the mouse interface, the lag, the map, the EVERYTHING? Thats right, he just wrote all that for laughs too? He also kept playing it after he couldnt' do any of that stuff or found out he didnt' like any of that?? No, no, thats right he just said he loved the game...a golden.....yeah.
But thats ok, both of you can say I should respect somebodies opinions, which I did. I practically quoted him in the first half of my post. Thats respect isnt it, agreeing with him??
The second half of my post states nothing but the obvious, that no matter how much anyone says anything on these forums, in either direction, for or against, that nobody will listen. They will only come back with the same comments and opinions again, just like they always do. Something you both proved me right with again. Oh and in case you both missed it, there have been another 4 more threads giving thier reviews of FFXIV since i posted this message. Guess I was right again. Thats ok though, you both go right ahead and say I'm flaming this poster, if being correct and honest is flaming....then I'm all for it. Of course I could be more like you two....
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
I hope you guys can agree that as technology advances things become much easier to accomplish. How can you not relate this to a MMORPG? People are actually angry that MMORPGs are not like what they used to be in 90s and early 00.
I wouldn't call WoW 'spoonfeeding' instead it did advanced MMORPGs in the direction they were originally heading. Now if you want a 'hardcore' game, then take the so called 'spoonfeeding' and make it better, and/or add an advancement of originality in the design mechanics.
There is no need to:
Make a pain in the ass interface.
Increase walking time.
Create the grind of the century.
Play find waldo, except you don't know what and who waldo is.
Boss battles that take over 5 hours to accomplish.
That does not make a game hardcore or for 'smarter' players.
For example a hardcore game could consist mostly of originality:
Death penalities (not this rez sickness stuff that force waiting)
Forced partying (D&D is all about parties, MMORPGs should be too)
Quests are not easily obtained. (Perhaps defeating an instance or killing some boss will net one).
Levels are obtained by accomplishments (This could be accomplishing quests (remember they are not easy to get)). Or do away with levels entirely and replace it with some accomplishment system. Crafting could be based the same way.
The item type and ability matters more than the rarity. In other words, any items are easily obtained but the choice matters most in your strategy.
Please be aware that what I have said here can all be applied the same easy-to-play ('spoonfeeding') way as World Of Warcraft. People can find groups and teleport to any location instantly. It doesn't matter, the game mechanic ideas i've listed here are still in my opinion much more 'hardcore' than what I have previously listed.
So, no.. FFIV is not hardcore. And no, Darkfall is not hardcore either.
Originality defines hardcore, not repetitiveness.
While i don't care too much for the interface, it's not so bad i can't work with it and still have fun.
The increased walk time i figure is to make the game seem larger and more like a real world, it takes me 45 mins to walk to the nearest store. So i'm not too surprised on it taking that long to get to a camp.
Thats not grind in 3 days i was level 10 rank 7, a grind is maple story it takes a month to get a level when grinding at least 8 hours a day 7 days a week.
I don't consider finding Waldo a bad thing. I consider that an adventure.
I think if i recall there was only one boss that did that in 11 and it was notorious for doing that. No way to know if a similar version is in this game or not.
Actually in my opinion hardcore is someone who has to master the game to be able to play at it's hardest setting. Originality just makes it more unique.
As for the positives you gotta be careful how "hardcore" you make it, if you make the death penalty you lose everything except your skills your going to alienate alot of people. I'm really not going to go into the force grouping and how some people hate that. A note on the quests, how would i know to go there? why would i go there and once i know it's there thats just really an added step to start the quest and will be generally considered a nuisance, an extra unneeded step ala like the interface you just called a pain in the arse interface (in this case a pain in the arse to even get the quest). I have no problem with the items thats a cool idea.
One final note on that top paragraph, while tech can make it easier, it usually tries to make it more accessable and better overall. Easier is just a side benefit in most cases because most humans in general are lazy. Yes that includes myself i'd prefer to put my dishes in the dish washer and get them clean rather then doing them by hand where they will get even cleaner.
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
I cann't believe I actually read this entire thread again, just another review from another person who got frustrated because they couldn't figure out how to play FFXIV. It was too hard for them or it took them too much time to get to the 'OMG I need fun NOW' while sitting in thier chair ***shaking*** until they rage quite and uninstalled. Why do people defend this stuff, why do they even try to explain it to them? They wont get it, it was too frustrating for them when they tried it so it sucks for them. Just let it be, let the thread die, and lets move on. I'm sure there will be at least 4 more of these threads started today alone, and 5 more again tomorrow. They give no relivance to the game of FFXIV, only in so much that some people just don't get it or can't do it.
How about you learn to respect somebodys opinion instead of flaming them for it.
Amen.
So your both saying I'm wrong then huh? [And so on...]
Aw, man, I wish you had taken your own underlined advice above, I am so tired of seeing the "Man, another MMO flop" thread come back up for air like one of the "shiny golden turd" analogy that the original poster was so fond of using, and you just kicked it 12 hours away from down the toilet where it belongs.
Really, whenever I get my head on straight, it comes down to this:
Final Fantasy XIV is a game.
In any case where there is a game, not everyone will like it.
Ergo, not everyone likes Final Fantasy XIV.
And we can go into the specifics...
Because they don't like that the GUI design is something they're not used to...
Because they don't like the grind...
Because they don't like the travel time...
Because they don't like the way they can see some re-used assets in the game world...
Because they don't like the few bugs such as alt-tab killing the game if you're not in windowed mode...
Because they don't like how their computer chugs while playing it...
Because they don't like the GUI lag or how player-driven economy is hobbled by a lousy distribution method...
Because they don't like the lack of a hardware mouse.
Fine! I get it! But, just so we're clear:
The GUI design isn't going to change, it didn't for Final Fantasy XI for 7 years, it won't here either. Yes, thank you for your helpful suggestion they copy World of Warcraft so they can make more money going after that audience, but give Square-Enix some credit, they considered that option and made their decision years ago. Why do you think you've got a hotbar now? Be happy with that.
They've already alleviated the grind considerably from Final Fantasy XI with Guildleves and Patron Diety xp, that's probably about as easy as it's going to get.
They've already added a "teleport" feature that severely cuts down on travel time, provided you don't use up all your 'anima," which recharges in real time and so should facilitate the casual players nicely.
It's possible the re-used assets we see in the beta game world are just placeholders, considering the release client is nearly three times the sizeof the beta client. If not? Get over it, geeze, it's not like you can't see assets being reused in any other game with a big, sprawling map.
So what if it has a few bugs? This is an MMORPG, and bugs are always fixed over time in MMORPGs. Frankly, there's barely any compared to some I've played in open beta, and they last few patches have cut down crashes considerably to the point where it rarely even happens anymore for me (but then, I play in windowed mode).
Once in awhile, you'll need to upgrade your computer to handle a new game or find a game that brings about some hardware compatibility issues. It's not fair, but that's life, take it to Square-Enix tech support.
Yeah, but they've acknowledged the GUI lag and marketplace are in need of improvement and are on the job.
Yeah, hardware mouse will apparantly be in at or around release. Heck, even the guy who work the hardware mouse workaround said it was already in the game, just disabled.
Any more gripes you need to have addressed?
I'm not going to say if you refuse to look past all this your choice to not adapt to it necessarily means your stupid. I mean, sure, I've said that before, it might have hurt your feelings, even I believed it when I said it because I was probably ticked off about something you wrote, I should have kept that to myself. Hey, I'm sorry, friends?
Let me put it to you this way instead: give me a freaking break. If you've passed your verdict on Final Fantasy XIV, if you're absolutely certain you hate it, then just move on already. It's not like the developers even visit these forums that I'm aware of. Even if they did, apparently they're not all that great at English. Maybe shoot an email of your concerns to Square-Enix support or something. But I don't think folks here, on the FInal Fantasy XIV forum, who are interested in the game, need to hear how you aren't.
You wanted my time, so I played you. You wanted my money, I forked it over. You wanted my soul, I gave it willingly. Not to complain... but when do I get my end of the deal? And no, I don't want your flippin' carrot. If you can't do that give me back my youth and keep the change. Why don't you try chasing your own damn carrot for a change? I'll gladly hold the stick.
I cann't believe I actually read this entire thread again, just another review from another person who got frustrated because they couldn't figure out how to play FFXIV. It was too hard for them or it took them too much time to get to the 'OMG I need fun NOW' while sitting in thier chair ***shaking*** until they rage quite and uninstalled. Why do people defend this stuff, why do they even try to explain it to them? They wont get it, it was too frustrating for them when they tried it so it sucks for them. Just let it be, let the thread die, and lets move on. I'm sure there will be at least 4 more of these threads started today alone, and 5 more again tomorrow. They give no relivance to the game of FFXIV, only in so much that some people just don't get it or can't do it.
How about you learn to respect somebodys opinion instead of flaming them for it.
Amen.
So your both saying I'm wrong then huh? [And so on...]
Aw, man, I wish you had taken your own underlined advice above, I am so tired of seeing the "Man, another MMO flop" thread come back up for air like one of the "shiny golden turd" analogy that the original poster was so fond of using, and you just kicked it 12 hours away from down the toilet where it belongs.
Really, whenever I get my head on straight, it comes down to this:
Final Fantasy XIV is a game.
In any case where there is a game, not everyone will like it.
Ergo, not everyone likes Final Fantasy XIV.
And we can go into the specifics...
Because they don't like that the GUI design is something they're not used to...
Because they don't like the grind...
Because they don't like the travel time...
Because they don't like the way they can see some re-used assets in the game world...
Because they don't like the few bugs such as alt-tab killing the game if you're not in windowed mode...
Because they don't like how their computer chugs while playing it...
Because they don't like the GUI lag or how player-driven economy is hobbled by a lousy distribution method...
Because they don't like the lack of a hardware mouse.
Fine! I get it! But, just so we're clear:
The GUI design isn't going to change, it didn't for Final Fantasy XI for 7 years, it won't here either. Yes, thank you for your helpful suggestion they copy World of Warcraft so they can make more money going after that audience, but give Square-Enix some credit, they considered that option and made their decision years ago. Why do you think you've got a hotbar now? Be happy with that.
They've already alleviated the grind considerably from Final Fantasy XI with Guildleves and Patron Diety xp, that's probably about as easy as it's going to get.
They've already added a "teleport" feature that severely cuts down on travel time, provided you don't use up all your 'anima," which recharges in real time and so should facilitate the casual players nicely.
It's possible the re-used assets we see in the beta game world are just placeholders, considering the release client is nearly three times the sizeof the beta client. If not? Get over it, geeze, it's not like you can't see assets being reused in any other game with a big, sprawling map.
So what if it has a few bugs? This is an MMORPG, and bugs are always fixed over time in MMORPGs. Frankly, there's barely any compared to some I've played in open beta, and they last few patches have cut down crashes considerably to the point where it rarely even happens anymore for me (but then, I play in windowed mode).
Once in awhile, you'll need to upgrade your computer to handle a new game or find a game that brings about some hardware compatibility issues. It's not fair, but that's life, take it to Square-Enix tech support.
Yeah, but they've acknowledged the GUI lag and marketplace are in need of improvement and are on the job.
Yeah, hardware mouse will apparantly be in at or around release. Heck, even the guy who work the hardware mouse workaround said it was already in the game, just disabled.
Any more gripes you need to have addressed?
I'm not going to say if you refuse to look past all this your choice to not adapt to it necessarily means your stupid. I mean, sure, I've said that before, it might have hurt your feelings, even I believed it when I said it because I was probably ticked off about something you wrote, I should have kept that to myself. Hey, I'm sorry, friends?
Let me put it to you this way instead: give me a freaking break. If you've passed your verdict on Final Fantasy XIV, if you're absolutely certain you hate it, then just move on already. It's not like the developers even visit these forums that I'm aware of. Even if they did, apparently they're not all that great at English. Maybe shoot an email of your concerns to Square-Enix support or something. But I don't think folks here, on the FInal Fantasy XIV forum, who are interested in the game, need to hear how you aren't.
I dont think you understand the underlying functional value of these forums, each of these sections are not an alternative official forum for whatever game you are looking forward to, it is a means for ANYONE fan, hater, troll, reviewer, forum rat, attention seeker, MMORPG fan, to voice and discuss their opinions on said products.
The "you dont like it move along" may as well be true on official forums but not here, ppl like the discuss releases and the state of the industry in general, ppl like to give their opinion on products they like and DONT like, and most ppl like to hear what others have to say.
Also most ppl dont really care about reporting or giving any feedback to SE. who cares I am not being paid for it, ppl just like to voice their opinion and share it with others which they are more than welcome according to the forums rules to do, if you on the other hand dont feel that this is the sort of discussion you want to be part of and instead wish to discuss your opinion with the fans of the game then my advice is go to the official forums and disregard any posts here.
I dont think you understand the underlying functional value of these forums, each of these sections are not an alternative official forum for whatever game you are looking forward to, it is a means for ANYONE fan, hater, troll, reviewer, forum rat, attention seeker, MMORPG fan, to voice and discuss their opinions on said products.
The "you dont like it move along" may as well be true on official forums but not here, ppl like the discuss releases and the state of the industry in general, ppl like to give their opinion on products they like and DONT like, and most ppl like to hear what others have to say.
Also most ppl dont really care about reporting or giving any feedback to SE. who cares I am not being paid for it, ppl just like to voice their opinion and share it with others which they are more than welcome according to the forums rules to do, if you on the other hand dont feel that this is the sort of discussion you want to be part of and instead wish to discuss your opinion with the fans of the game then my advice is go to the official forums and disregard any posts here.
I'd like to think a majority of people don't waste precious internet time doing shit like this. Seeing as they do they shouldn't get upset if they get raged on. It's just normal forum manners.
If they express what they don't like it's easy enough for people to have the right to express not agreeing with them. However, people have a hard time eating what they are dishing out. Which is very humorous.
I personally love a creative trolling attempt with some witty remarks that I can laugh over as I continue with my day. I do NOT like feeling like I'm picking on a mentally disabled kid that shouldn't even be on the internet much less functioning enough to know what an MMO is. But that's just how I feel.
See what I did there?
You wanted my time, so I played you. You wanted my money, I forked it over. You wanted my soul, I gave it willingly. Not to complain... but when do I get my end of the deal? And no, I don't want your flippin' carrot. If you can't do that give me back my youth and keep the change. Why don't you try chasing your own damn carrot for a change? I'll gladly hold the stick.
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Exactly why I stayed away from this thread, but it's still alive. Truth is, the game will be better off without these people. They expected an experience resembling the modern-day MMO's that are flooding the genre today. When the game wasn't so easy, they bashed it for the dumbest reasons. I wanna be immature and say QQ to them, but that just fuels these trolls.
They really didn't want to learn anything new from an MMO. They wanted to dive-in and be walked through the game. If FFXIV was just another one of those games, it would fail.
Couldn't we just stop bumping it. The last page is pretty much all people saying this, a bit self defeating don't you think?
All I want, is that in 6 months choujiofkono comes on these forums and admits he was wrong to everyone. Not a hard thing to imagine, 2 weeks after the projected PS3 release of FFXIV, thats when choujiofkono says this game will be dead and gone. I think a public display of humility for being dead wrong on so many troll posts would be a nice change. So what do you say choujiofkono ? Up for a little wager? your prediction over mine? If your wrong you come here and tell everyone how wrong you were and how sorry you are for being a troll? And if FFXIV is dead and gone in 6 months, I'll come on here and tell everyone you were right and not a troll afterall? Deal?
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
So many people mad because they don't have all the answers handed out for them on a silver platter. Do you think I wasn't mad with the lack of tutorials at first? Do you think I wasn't cursing the day Square decided to make me spend half an hour hunting down Bango Zango in LL just to finish the damn weaving leve? Who wasn't? A game like this requires skill, collaboration, experimentation, creativity, and a heck of a lot of patience if you want to get anywhere. You MUST research the recipe wikis, read tutorial articles, and start familiarizing yourself with a variety of fan forums if you want to be remotely competitive with the crafting system. Square is playing it smart by making us find the answers- this will keep the game fresh and challenging as long as they continue to regularly release new content.
The mouse UI is bad but it's hardly gamebreaking, and is completely fixable with the unofficial lag patch- http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/13698/ffxiv-mouse-lag-fix/ .
As for level up abilities... I say to you that class abilities don't need light shows and giant explosions to make for a good MMO. Or any decent open ended RPG for that matter. I've sometimes compared gameplay in FFXIV to Monster Hunter, and imagine how horrible that game would be if you had "pets, summons and forms" instead of having to depend on raw skill and accurate strikes to take down giant monsters. Honestly, the fluid attack combos and power swipes that my rank 20 Lancer offers are becoming quite endearing to me. I believe we'll be getting some visually impressive spells later on, but players have to put in a lot of work to get to that point and learn to adapt their basic techniques to take down any enemy.
for all the people flaming you for this post I'll just say this; don't expect to ever come on here, leave your PERSONAL opinions and not have people point out, ridicule, pick apart or disect word for word what you wrote.
I personally like to see the views of others even if the credibility is questionable, I personaly think it's the reason for forums such as this, so we can share our experiences and give our personal feed back. So truthfully what you must do is filter out all the random attacks, take the good with the bad and roll with it. I'm posting this because I saw your second post and you seemed a bit bothered by the flamers
I think of these forums like eating some nice steamed red snapper; you eat the meat and spit out the bones.
Now about your initial post, I agreed with everything you said about 2 days ago, but after reading future patch notes I found out I may have cancelled my pre-order too early. Does this mean that I'm going to run back to Best buys and re-order? or run to the store on the 22nd and grab a box? Nope, because I have seen promises such as this before from games I waited and drooled over for over a year only to find out it was a bunch of crap. My biggest let down I think was Sword of the new world.
Anyhow, don't count it as flop just yet, wait until at least 2-3 months after people on here has tried it and post their experiences as you just did, you may be surprised or you may get confirmation, personaly I doubt I'll be playing either way and I've been having mixed feelings about looking at it again. Been watching a heck of a lot of GW2 gameplay on youtube and it's got my attention so knowing my patience I'm willing to wait for that
Map scrolling in mapmode can be done with the keys: I K J L
Usables are brought up in a seperate window hitting key U when no other window is open.
Something i found out myself...but i am experienced - newcomers for sure will have much pain the first time.
I have access to the Betasite but not the forum for unknown reason so i dont know if there is a help somewhere.
But my guess is the game will be very good in the end - its the first time i play a Final Fantasy game at all and only by accident but the lesson is not to follow blindly the words of other but to look for yourself how it is.
"Torquemada... do not implore him for compassion. Torquemada... do not beg him for forgiveness. Torquemada... do not ask him for mercy. Let's face it, you can't Torquemada anything!"
MWO Music Video - What does the Mech say: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FF6HYNqCDLI
Johnny Cash - The Man Comes Around: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0x2iwK0BKM
How about you learn to respect somebodys opinion instead of flaming them for it.
I agree with the op. I haven't played since the start of open beta. I found it pretty boring. It just wasn't my cup of tea.
There can't always be threads praising the game. It's a forum so be prepared to be faced with mixed opinions.
Amen.
Lol, exactly, you can move the map with I J K L, seriously guys, how could you not think of it?
I love it when people seem to think that FFXI or XIV is a difficult MMO. It just makes you sound like a prat when you say things like that. There's a big difference between challenging content and being an unintuitive mess. Unfortunately, XIV is the latter. The CONTENT is supposed to be challenging. Simple things that, dare I say, people expect from a modern-day MMO are absent; it makes the game difficult to play, but it doesn't make the game difficult. You'll have to forgive the current generation of gamers for wanting an easily playable game. I like challenge, but I want to be challenged in the right areas. If navigating your way through a labyrinth of menus, macros, and wonky controls is your idea of a "hard" MMO... well then more power to you.
It's like when people equate an excessive grind with hard. It's just silly.
Could you send me a message with the weekly lotto numbers? Since you are able to predict the future.
I kinda like the idea of finding Waldo, without knowing what or where he is, other than that it seems ok.
Dying should obviously give you scars.
Objectivity is delivered with a lack of personality made for the mainstream but never used for the mainstream.
So your both saying I'm wrong then huh? The opening post to this thread wasn't written by someone who got frustrated with FFXIV when he tested it? He actually did find all the in-game help and then just wrote there was 'no tutorial' for laughs? He didnt' have a problem with the character creator, the UI, the mouse interface, the lag, the map, the EVERYTHING? Thats right, he just wrote all that for laughs too? He also kept playing it after he couldnt' do any of that stuff or found out he didnt' like any of that?? No, no, thats right he just said he loved the game...a golden.....yeah.
But thats ok, both of you can say I should respect somebodies opinions, which I did. I practically quoted him in the first half of my post. Thats respect isnt it, agreeing with him??
The second half of my post states nothing but the obvious, that no matter how much anyone says anything on these forums, in either direction, for or against, that nobody will listen. They will only come back with the same comments and opinions again, just like they always do. Something you both proved me right with again. Oh and in case you both missed it, there have been another 4 more threads giving thier reviews of FFXIV since i posted this message. Guess I was right again. Thats ok though, you both go right ahead and say I'm flaming this poster, if being correct and honest is flaming....then I'm all for it. Of course I could be more like you two....
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
While i don't care too much for the interface, it's not so bad i can't work with it and still have fun.
The increased walk time i figure is to make the game seem larger and more like a real world, it takes me 45 mins to walk to the nearest store. So i'm not too surprised on it taking that long to get to a camp.
Thats not grind in 3 days i was level 10 rank 7, a grind is maple story it takes a month to get a level when grinding at least 8 hours a day 7 days a week.
I don't consider finding Waldo a bad thing. I consider that an adventure.
I think if i recall there was only one boss that did that in 11 and it was notorious for doing that. No way to know if a similar version is in this game or not.
Actually in my opinion hardcore is someone who has to master the game to be able to play at it's hardest setting. Originality just makes it more unique.
As for the positives you gotta be careful how "hardcore" you make it, if you make the death penalty you lose everything except your skills your going to alienate alot of people. I'm really not going to go into the force grouping and how some people hate that. A note on the quests, how would i know to go there? why would i go there and once i know it's there thats just really an added step to start the quest and will be generally considered a nuisance, an extra unneeded step ala like the interface you just called a pain in the arse interface (in this case a pain in the arse to even get the quest). I have no problem with the items thats a cool idea.
One final note on that top paragraph, while tech can make it easier, it usually tries to make it more accessable and better overall. Easier is just a side benefit in most cases because most humans in general are lazy. Yes that includes myself i'd prefer to put my dishes in the dish washer and get them clean rather then doing them by hand where they will get even cleaner.
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
Aw, man, I wish you had taken your own underlined advice above, I am so tired of seeing the "Man, another MMO flop" thread come back up for air like one of the "shiny golden turd" analogy that the original poster was so fond of using, and you just kicked it 12 hours away from down the toilet where it belongs.
Really, whenever I get my head on straight, it comes down to this:
Final Fantasy XIV is a game.
In any case where there is a game, not everyone will like it.
Ergo, not everyone likes Final Fantasy XIV.
And we can go into the specifics...
Because they don't like that the GUI design is something they're not used to...
Because they don't like the grind...
Because they don't like the travel time...
Because they don't like the way they can see some re-used assets in the game world...
Because they don't like the few bugs such as alt-tab killing the game if you're not in windowed mode...
Because they don't like how their computer chugs while playing it...
Because they don't like the GUI lag or how player-driven economy is hobbled by a lousy distribution method...
Because they don't like the lack of a hardware mouse.
Fine! I get it! But, just so we're clear:
The GUI design isn't going to change, it didn't for Final Fantasy XI for 7 years, it won't here either. Yes, thank you for your helpful suggestion they copy World of Warcraft so they can make more money going after that audience, but give Square-Enix some credit, they considered that option and made their decision years ago. Why do you think you've got a hotbar now? Be happy with that.
They've already alleviated the grind considerably from Final Fantasy XI with Guildleves and Patron Diety xp, that's probably about as easy as it's going to get.
They've already added a "teleport" feature that severely cuts down on travel time, provided you don't use up all your 'anima," which recharges in real time and so should facilitate the casual players nicely.
It's possible the re-used assets we see in the beta game world are just placeholders, considering the release client is nearly three times the size of the beta client. If not? Get over it, geeze, it's not like you can't see assets being reused in any other game with a big, sprawling map.
So what if it has a few bugs? This is an MMORPG, and bugs are always fixed over time in MMORPGs. Frankly, there's barely any compared to some I've played in open beta, and they last few patches have cut down crashes considerably to the point where it rarely even happens anymore for me (but then, I play in windowed mode).
Once in awhile, you'll need to upgrade your computer to handle a new game or find a game that brings about some hardware compatibility issues. It's not fair, but that's life, take it to Square-Enix tech support.
Yeah, but they've acknowledged the GUI lag and marketplace are in need of improvement and are on the job.
Yeah, hardware mouse will apparantly be in at or around release. Heck, even the guy who work the hardware mouse workaround said it was already in the game, just disabled.
Any more gripes you need to have addressed?
I'm not going to say if you refuse to look past all this your choice to not adapt to it necessarily means your stupid. I mean, sure, I've said that before, it might have hurt your feelings, even I believed it when I said it because I was probably ticked off about something you wrote, I should have kept that to myself. Hey, I'm sorry, friends?
Let me put it to you this way instead: give me a freaking break. If you've passed your verdict on Final Fantasy XIV, if you're absolutely certain you hate it, then just move on already. It's not like the developers even visit these forums that I'm aware of. Even if they did, apparently they're not all that great at English. Maybe shoot an email of your concerns to Square-Enix support or something. But I don't think folks here, on the FInal Fantasy XIV forum, who are interested in the game, need to hear how you aren't.
Floptastic pile of pretty junk
That won't flop.
You wanted my time, so I played you. You wanted my money, I forked it over. You wanted my soul, I gave it willingly. Not to complain... but when do I get my end of the deal? And no, I don't want your flippin' carrot. If you can't do that give me back my youth and keep the change. Why don't you try chasing your own damn carrot for a change? I'll gladly hold the stick.
I don't know if the game is going to flop. I'm certainly not going to play it because of the high end computer requirements the game demands.
My opinion is that this will hurt the game sales the most. If not with box sales, then with the first monthly payment.
I dont think you understand the underlying functional value of these forums, each of these sections are not an alternative official forum for whatever game you are looking forward to, it is a means for ANYONE fan, hater, troll, reviewer, forum rat, attention seeker, MMORPG fan, to voice and discuss their opinions on said products.
The "you dont like it move along" may as well be true on official forums but not here, ppl like the discuss releases and the state of the industry in general, ppl like to give their opinion on products they like and DONT like, and most ppl like to hear what others have to say.
Also most ppl dont really care about reporting or giving any feedback to SE. who cares I am not being paid for it, ppl just like to voice their opinion and share it with others which they are more than welcome according to the forums rules to do, if you on the other hand dont feel that this is the sort of discussion you want to be part of and instead wish to discuss your opinion with the fans of the game then my advice is go to the official forums and disregard any posts here.
In my opinion the "innovative" GUI will hurt the game sales the most - and in the long run the casual-only approach.
Regarding the topic: a game flops only when it doesn't meet the expectations of the publisher. If SE is fine with 50k subscribers, it will not flop.
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I'd like to think a majority of people don't waste precious internet time doing shit like this. Seeing as they do they shouldn't get upset if they get raged on. It's just normal forum manners.
If they express what they don't like it's easy enough for people to have the right to express not agreeing with them. However, people have a hard time eating what they are dishing out. Which is very humorous.
I personally love a creative trolling attempt with some witty remarks that I can laugh over as I continue with my day. I do NOT like feeling like I'm picking on a mentally disabled kid that shouldn't even be on the internet much less functioning enough to know what an MMO is. But that's just how I feel.
See what I did there?
You wanted my time, so I played you. You wanted my money, I forked it over. You wanted my soul, I gave it willingly. Not to complain... but when do I get my end of the deal? And no, I don't want your flippin' carrot. If you can't do that give me back my youth and keep the change. Why don't you try chasing your own damn carrot for a change? I'll gladly hold the stick.